Re: civil discussion on fedora lists

2014-10-18 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 18.10.2014 um 23:07 schrieb Simo Sorce: On Sat, 18 Oct 2014 22:51:52 +0200 Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net wrote: They do not say something like: Sorry , I did not understand, can you repeat ? the say bitte? like please in english (one single word) but for sure not I'm not sure I

Re: No more deltarpms by default

2014-10-18 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 19.10.2014 um 02:19 schrieb Solomon Peachy: On Sat, Oct 18, 2014 at 07:00:19PM -0400, Nico Kadel-Garcia wrote: 3) People who have a lot of hosts and high bandwidth, high speed local deployment requirements can, and do, set up an internal Fedora mirror with much lower bandwidth costs.

Re: No more deltarpms by default

2014-10-17 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 17.10.2014 um 10:49 schrieb Roberto Ragusa: On 10/06/2014 07:57 PM, Reindl Harald wrote: oh no - don't tie all together for reasons which did not destory the world over years - it is a damned good design that the part dealing with rpm packages don't need to know anything aboutt delta

Re: No more deltarpms by default

2014-10-17 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 17.10.2014 um 10:55 schrieb Roberto Ragusa: On 10/06/2014 07:25 PM, Reindl Harald wrote: the last discussions suggested that the result needs to be *identical* to the full RPM downloaded for not break signatures Bizarre design; the signature should protect the content (uncompressed

Re: No more deltarpms by default

2014-10-17 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 17.10.2014 um 17:07 schrieb drago01: On Fri, Oct 17, 2014 at 5:02 PM, Ralf Corsepius rc040...@freenet.de wrote: On 10/17/2014 04:24 PM, Tom Rivers wrote: On 10/17/2014 10:05, drago01 wrote: Because it makes no sense and pushes it to the user. The os (i.e we) should handle that. In that

Re: No more deltarpms by default

2014-10-17 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 17.10.2014 um 19:45 schrieb drago01: 1) deltarpms - low bandwidth use but takes a while to apply the updates 2) no deltarpms - high bandwidth use but faster updates application. So now people suggest the user (or the distro) has to either choose 1) or 2) ... What I am suggesting is adding a

Re: Unable to connect to https://admin.fedoraproject.org with firefox, error is ssl_error_no_cypher_overlap

2014-10-13 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 13.10.2014 um 16:49 schrieb Sergio Pascual: Hello, since a week or so I have been unable to connect to https://admin.fedoraproject.org with firefox, I get an error like (I'm translating from Spanish) Secure connection failed, no common cipher algorithms (ssl_error_no_cypher_overlap) I

Re: Who is the genius who is trying to remove yum?

2014-10-11 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 12.10.2014 um 02:52 schrieb poma: On 11.10.2014 23:19, Peter Robinson wrote: No, people make mistakes, the issue created wasn't intentional so there's no needs to have derogatory comments, your response to Matt isn't really appropriate either TBH. If it so benign as you write, your

Re: btrfs as default filesystem for F22?

2014-10-07 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 07.10.2014 um 20:05 schrieb Matthias Clasen: On Tue, 2014-10-07 at 13:24 -0400, Josh Boyer wrote: On Tue, Oct 7, 2014 at 1:19 PM, Gerald B. Cox gb...@bzb.us wrote: Thanks James... I am aware of all the warnings. They might as well put up a skull crossbones. I have all my data backed up

Re: No more deltarpms by default

2014-10-06 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 06.10.2014 um 13:00 schrieb Richard W.M. Jones: On Mon, Oct 06, 2014 at 04:41:07AM -0400, Rahul Sundaram wrote: One of the long standing features that were enabled by default in yum is support for delta rpms. dnf developers have disabled this and I think this change deserves a broader

Re: No more deltarpms by default

2014-10-06 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 06.10.2014 um 19:18 schrieb Lukas Zapletal: because it needs to build the complete xz-compressed RPM there was a discussion here not that long ago Is the XZ the only option for RPMs now? Can't it do it uncompressed? Or at least gzip -1. Or Rich can add new feature to his

Re: No more deltarpms by default

2014-10-06 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 06.10.2014 um 19:45 schrieb Florian Festi: On 10/06/2014 06:53 PM, Jonathan Dieter wrote: Get to coding. ;) As mentioned elsewhere, the problem *is* signatures. yum (quite rightly) refuses to install an rpm whose signature doesn't match the one in the primary repodata. And I believe

Re: dnf vs yum

2014-10-04 Thread Reindl Harald
I am sorry I did not fully follow the discussions earlier. I only recall it was supposed to exist some compatibility layer at some point. But I keep all the time needing to $ sudo rm -f /var/lib/rpm/__db* there is no need to do so because I forget and use yum instead of dnf in rawhide.

Re: dnf vs yum

2014-10-04 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 04.10.2014 um 16:49 2014-10-04 11:08 GMT-03:00 Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net: First think of me of as just an slightly above average user :) I am sorry I did not fully follow the discussions earlier. I only recall it was supposed to exist some compatibility layer at some point

Re: Dash as default shell

2014-10-04 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 04.10.2014 um 18:08 schrieb Florian Weimer: On 10/04/2014 06:03 PM, Zdenek Kabelac wrote: We still have universal: #/usr/bin/env bash Sadly, some systems have /bin/env, but not /usr/bin/env on the Fedoras side a non-brainer just use /bin/env since after UsrMove both works

Re: How to handle upgrades to Fedora 21

2014-10-04 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 04.10.2014 um 18:08 schrieb Jaroslav Nahorny: Am 03.10.2014 um 23:57 schrieb Rahul Sundaram: On Fri, Oct 3, 2014 at 5:38 PM, Reindl Harald wrote: generic is technical speak or for normal people outside IT at best has a negative context to generica and spam I never heared about

Re: dnf vs yum

2014-10-04 Thread Reindl Harald
I checked that I was talking from experience as 1 or more weeks ago. For a single package install indeed, dnf and yum are now working. I figured I have a lot of duplicates left from some earlier update, for example: $ rpm -q xz-libs xz-libs-5.1.2-13alpha.fc22.x86_64

Re: How to handle upgrades to Fedora 21

2014-10-03 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 03.10.2014 um 23:12 schrieb Rahul Sundaram: On Fri, Oct 3, 2014 at 4:57 PM, Stephen Gallagher wrote: To that end, fedup will grow a new mandatory option: --product. It will take one of four arguments: standard (non-productized), server, workstation or cloud. When the

Re: How to handle upgrades to Fedora 21

2014-10-03 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 03.10.2014 um 23:57 schrieb Rahul Sundaram: On Fri, Oct 3, 2014 at 5:38 PM, Reindl Harald wrote: generic is technical speak or for normal people outside IT at best has a negative context to generica and spam It is not really technical. Generic is often used in other contexts

Re: How to handle upgrades to Fedora 21

2014-10-03 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 04.10.2014 um 00:29 schrieb Rahul Sundaram: On Fri, Oct 3, 2014 at 6:15 PM, Reindl Harald wrote: generic drugs is the one thing nobody wants to have in context honestly Not true but irrelevant anyway since I was just pointing out that generic is not a technical term. why

Re: Dash as default shell

2014-10-02 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 02.10.2014 um 09:14 schrieb Tomasz Torcz: On Thu, Oct 02, 2014 at 08:33:23AM +0200, Lennart Poettering wrote: since you have two packages to look after (Yes, by adding dash to the default stack you just put the extra burden on Fedora to quickly update two packages instead of just one in

Re: Proposal: Increasing application icon sizes to 64px

2014-10-02 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 02.10.2014 um 16:32 schrieb Richard Hughes: On 2 October 2014 15:17, Tim Lauridsen tim.laurid...@gmail.com wrote: I think that is a bad idea to exclude applications from a Software manager, because they don't live up to some visual quality guidelines. There's actually a whole load of

Re: Proposal: Increasing application icon sizes to 64px

2014-10-02 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 02.10.2014 um 16:50 schrieb Pierre-Yves Chibon: On Thu, Oct 02, 2014 at 04:47:08PM +0200, Reindl Harald wrote: Am 02.10.2014 um 16:32 schrieb Richard Hughes: On 2 October 2014 15:17, Tim Lauridsen tim.laurid...@gmail.com wrote: I think that is a bad idea to exclude applications from

Re: Proposal: Increasing application icon sizes to 64px

2014-10-02 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 02.10.2014 um 17:34 schrieb Rahul Sundaram: On Thu, Oct 2, 2014 at 11:01 AM, Reindl Harald wrote: you misunderstood me I don't think anyone misunderstood that you have trouble disagreeing without also being insulting my god i brought an cynical example what upstream may write

Re: Dash as default shell

2014-10-02 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 02.10.2014 um 17:53 schrieb Rahul Sundaram: On Thu, Oct 2, 2014 at 11:38 AM, Miloslav Trmač wrote: The expected security improvement is essentially nonexistent. In the current case of importing functions from the environment (and we could have a looong philosophical conversation

Re: Proposal: Increasing application icon sizes to 64px

2014-10-02 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 02.10.2014 um 18:04 schrieb Rahul Sundaram: On Thu, Oct 2, 2014 at 11:44 AM, Reindl Harald wrote: i doubt that you people are that hypersensitive about every single word in real life too People wouldn't say this if it was the first time you wrote something like this which

Re: Dash as default shell

2014-10-02 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 02.10.2014 um 19:08 schrieb Bruno Wolff III: On Thu, Oct 02, 2014 at 13:05:27 -0400, Matthew Miller mat...@fedoraproject.org wrote: For the case of arbitrary variables (like USER_AGENT), the problem is closed, because now only variables prefixed BASH_FUNC_ and with a suffix of () in our

Re: Dash as default shell

2014-10-02 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 02.10.2014 um 22:45 schrieb Rahul Sundaram: On Thu, Oct 2, 2014 at 11:57 AM, Reindl Harald wrote: because the conclusion that dash is not vulerable for other things is invalid I am afraid there was no such conclusions. To acknowledge known bugs in bash doesn't require

Re: Request for testers: glibc update to work around Intel TSX errata microcode_ctl problems.

2014-09-29 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 29.09.2014 um 15:14 schrieb Carlos O'Donell: On 09/28/2014 02:17 PM, Reindl Harald wrote: What about the case where the user runs a custom kernel? then he needs to build it right That's not sufficiently conservative for a core runtime. from the viewpoint of a distribution in context

Re: Request for testers: glibc update to work around Intel TSX errata microcode_ctl problems.

2014-09-28 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 28.09.2014 um 20:13 schrieb Carlos O'Donell: On 09/28/2014 01:24 PM, drago01 wrote: On Sun, Sep 28, 2014 at 6:49 PM, Carlos O'Donell car...@redhat.com wrote: On 09/26/2014 02:34 PM, Carlos O'Donell wrote: Developers. Testers wanted immediately for:

Re: Request for testers: glibc update to work around Intel TSX errata microcode_ctl problems.

2014-09-28 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 28.09.2014 um 21:15 schrieb drago01: On Sun, Sep 28, 2014 at 8:17 PM, Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net wrote: Am 28.09.2014 um 20:13 schrieb Carlos O'Donell: On 09/28/2014 01:24 PM, drago01 wrote: On Sun, Sep 28, 2014 at 6:49 PM, Carlos O'Donell car...@redhat.com wrote: On 09/26/2014

Re: Request for testers: glibc update to work around Intel TSX errata microcode_ctl problems.

2014-09-28 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 29.09.2014 um 00:21 schrieb Andrew Lutomirski: On Sep 28, 2014 12:25 PM, Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net mailto:h.rei...@thelounge.net wrote: Am 28.09.2014 um 21:15 schrieb drago01: On Sun, Sep 28, 2014 at 8:17 PM, Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net mailto:h.rei

Re: How to handle upgrades to Fedora 21

2014-09-24 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 24.09.2014 um 18:16 schrieb Stephen Gallagher: There has been some discussion in various forums lately about how we will handle fedup upgrades from Fedora 20 to Fedora 21 products. Several suggestions have been made that warrant discussion: * Upgrades from Fedora 20 remain

Re: How to handle upgrades to Fedora 21

2014-09-24 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 24.09.2014 um 18:22 schrieb Jaroslav Reznik: Maybe we can go with first option and say, upgrades to products are not supported, please reinstall. It's new beginning and say non-productized update support will be gone in F22 timeframe and only productized updates will be allowed don't do

Re: How to handle upgrades to Fedora 21

2014-09-24 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 24.09.2014 um 19:12 schrieb Dennis Gilmore: I have updated a few machines by running yum --releasever=21 install fedora-release then yum distro-sync and not had any issues. As I understand this thread it is soley about what to do in the case of using fedup only. in which case we need to

Re: [systemd-devel] I wonder… why systemd provokes this amount of polarity and resistance

2014-09-23 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 23.09.2014 um 19:41 schrieb Jóhann B. Guðmundsson: On 09/23/2014 04:15 PM, Przemek Klosowski wrote: On 09/22/2014 12:53 PM, DJ Delorie wrote: For the journal you always keep all log history in it's original state On low-bandwidth systems, like laptops or diskless nodes, it's a

Re: [systemd-devel] I wonder… why systemd provokes this amount of polarity and resistance

2014-09-22 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 22.09.2014 um 14:44 schrieb Jóhann B. Guðmundsson: Then file a bug report against rsyslog and provide a patch which fixes the default log filtering in Fedora to your expectation but leave systemd out of it. wow - in any other case the systemd developers saying that they don't

Re: [systemd-devel] I wonder… why systemd provokes this amount of polarity and resistance

2014-09-22 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 22.09.2014 um 15:55 schrieb Jóhann B. Guðmundsson: On 09/22/2014 12:58 PM, Reindl Harald wrote: i suggest you get rid of that arrogance and some other developers too because it's the reason for the subject and proves that you *do not* care about users as long you have not the same opinion

Re: [systemd-devel] I wonder… why systemd provokes this amount of polarity and resistance

2014-09-22 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 22.09.2014 um 16:25 schrieb Miloslav Trmač: (stripping systemd-devel) - Original Message - Am 22.09.2014 um 14:44 schrieb Jóhann B. Guðmundsson: This is simply untrue as journalctl -o export will show you. where is it in the message? the process is systemd how to distinct

Re: [systemd-devel] I wonder… why systemd provokes this amount of polarity and resistance

2014-09-22 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 22.09.2014 um 16:48 schrieb Sérgio Basto: On Seg, 2014-09-22 at 16:08 +0200, Reindl Harald wrote: no you refuse to understand that *nobody* wants to split out *all* systemd logs because just the excessive *user session* logging and that this messages should not exist at all in a non

Re: [systemd-devel] I wonder… why systemd provokes this amount of polarity and resistance

2014-09-22 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 22.09.2014 um 17:18 schrieb Sérgio Basto: On Seg, 2014-09-22 at 17:00 +0200, Reindl Harald wrote: Am 22.09.2014 um 16:48 schrieb Sérgio Basto: On Seg, 2014-09-22 at 16:08 +0200, Reindl Harald wrote: no you refuse to understand that *nobody* wants to split out *all* systemd logs because

Re: [systemd-devel] I wonder… why systemd provokes this amount of polarity and resistance

2014-09-22 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 22.09.2014 um 18:35 schrieb Miloslav Trmač: - Original Message - For example if you want to see just error messages in the journal you use journalctl -p 3 or journalctl -b -p 3 if you want it only from last boot ( add boot id if you want to from specific boot ) or you add

Re: [systemd-devel] I wonder… why systemd provokes this amount of polarity and resistance

2014-09-22 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 22.09.2014 um 19:37 schrieb Jóhann B. Guðmundsson: On 09/22/2014 04:35 PM, Miloslav Trmač wrote: For example if you want to see just error messages in the journal you use journalctl -p 3 or journalctl -b -p 3 if you want it only from last boot ( add boot id if you want to from specific

Re: [systemd-devel] I wonder… why systemd provokes this amount of polarity and resistance

2014-09-22 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 22.09.2014 um 19:51 schrieb Reindl Harald: Am 22.09.2014 um 19:37 schrieb Jóhann B. Guðmundsson: On 09/22/2014 04:35 PM, Miloslav Trmač wrote: For example if you want to see just error messages in the journal you use journalctl -p 3 or journalctl -b -p 3 if you want it only from last

Re: [systemd-devel] I wonder… why systemd provokes this amount of polarity and resistance

2014-09-22 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 22.09.2014 um 21:00 schrieb Jóhann B. Guðmundsson: On 09/22/2014 06:17 PM, Reindl Harald wrote: # Log systemd-logind to /var/log/secure :programname, isequal, systemd-logind -/var/log/secure :programname, isequal, systemd-logind stop :msg, contains, Starting Session stop :msg

Re: [systemd-devel] I wonder… why systemd provokes this amount of polarity and resistance

2014-09-22 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 22.09.2014 um 21:05 schrieb Reindl Harald: Am 22.09.2014 um 21:00 schrieb Jóhann B. Guðmundsson: On 09/22/2014 06:17 PM, Reindl Harald wrote: # Log systemd-logind to /var/log/secure :programname, isequal, systemd-logind -/var/log/secure :programname, isequal, systemd-logind

Re: Improving the offline updates user experience

2014-09-16 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 16.09.2014 um 10:50 schrieb Richard Hughes: On 15 September 2014 13:06, Miroslav Suchý msu...@redhat.com wrote: But *I* do not want to reboot after each upgrade. Those crashes will be 0.1% of all crashes on my workstation I think you might change your mind when it's you're the one

Re: Improving the offline updates user experience

2014-09-16 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 16.09.2014 um 12:21 schrieb Richard Hughes: On 16 September 2014 10:55, Zdenek Kabelac zkabe...@redhat.com wrote: Just a thought - but wouldn't be better spend time to enlighten Gnome/Firefox developers how to write applications in a way the could be upgraded runtime So, it's not just

Re: Improving the offline updates user experience

2014-09-15 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 15.09.2014 um 14:28 schrieb Richard W.M. Jones: On Mon, Sep 15, 2014 at 10:57:13AM +0200, Vít Ondruch wrote: 1) I run some application, which loads my foo.rb file. 2) I later update the package which removes bar.rb file. 3) And I call some_function which fails due to missing bar.rb How

Re: Improving the offline updates user experience

2014-09-15 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 15.09.2014 um 14:44 schrieb Richard W.M. Jones: On Mon, Sep 15, 2014 at 02:40:34PM +0200, Reindl Harald wrote: Am 15.09.2014 um 14:28 schrieb Richard W.M. Jones: On Mon, Sep 15, 2014 at 10:57:13AM +0200, Vít Ondruch wrote: 1) I run some application, which loads my foo.rb file. 2) I

Re: Improving the offline updates user experience

2014-09-12 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 12.09.2014 um 18:33 schrieb Nathanael d. Noblet: So I don't use Firefox anymore but I do know back in the day if we had FF open when we updated it would do a double request for each page/form. However when updating we just restarted FF and it would work fine after that. I've never noticed

Re: Improving the offline updates user experience

2014-09-12 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 12.09.2014 um 18:58 schrieb Till Maas: On Fri, Sep 12, 2014 at 06:37:07PM +0200, Reindl Harald wrote: * lsof | grep DEL | grep /usr and restart services on servers There is a convenient script called needs-restarting to do this. Checkrestart on debian even suggest potential init

Re: Improving the offline updates user experience

2014-09-12 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 12.09.2014 um 23:36 schrieb Richard W.M. Jones: On Fri, Sep 12, 2014 at 10:33:13AM -0600, Nathanael d. Noblet wrote: I am curious though. Everyone says the only way to do it securely and safely is with nothing running. Why can't updates be applied with stuff running prior to a reboot?

Re: The coding in binary code and assembly are necessary currently?

2014-09-10 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 10.09.2014 um 22:46 schrieb françai s: The coding in binary code, in other words, machine code is necessary currently? The coding in assembly is necessary currently? define necessary * what data * how much load * how much concurrency there is hardly a yes/no for most IT questions

Re: The coding in binary code and assembly are necessary currently?

2014-09-10 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 10.09.2014 um 22:55 schrieb françai s: 2014-09-10 17:53 GMT-03:00, Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net: Am 10.09.2014 um 22:46 schrieb françai s: The coding in binary code, in other words, machine code is necessary currently? The coding in assembly is necessary currently? define

Re: The coding in binary code and assembly are necessary currently?

2014-09-10 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 10.09.2014 um 23:10 schrieb DJ Delorie: that question makes no sense at all and it's the wrong mailing-list The question made sense to me how? white a webpage in asselmber - bullshit white a video encoder like ffmpeg in PHP - bullshit it depends on the usecase and where else would

Re: systemd-readahead

2014-09-09 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 09.09.2014 um 10:29 schrieb Karel Zak: On Sun, Sep 07, 2014 at 09:12:57AM +0200, drago01 wrote: On Sat, Sep 6, 2014 at 11:18 PM, Richard W.M. Jones rjo...@redhat.com wrote: Whenever my laptop boots, the hard disk is pegged at 100% and the machine is unusable for another 2 minutes

Re: New Group Calls For Boycotting Systemd

2014-09-09 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 09.09.2014 um 12:33 schrieb Paolo Bonzini: Il 07/09/2014 20:04, Reindl Harald ha scritto: on http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.linux.redhat.fedora.devel/199113 *you* complain about systemd-readahead - guess what - if a virtual machine is detected it is skipped And why is it a good idea

Re: New Group Calls For Boycotting Systemd

2014-09-09 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 09.09.2014 um 13:51 schrieb Richard W.M. Jones: On Tue, Sep 09, 2014 at 12:37:45PM +0200, Reindl Harald wrote: Am 09.09.2014 um 12:33 schrieb Paolo Bonzini: Il 07/09/2014 20:04, Reindl Harald ha scritto: on http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.linux.redhat.fedora.devel/199113 *you* complain

Re: ca-certificates 2014.2.1 will remove several still valid CA certificates with weak keys

2014-09-09 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 09.09.2014 um 08:26 schrieb Adam Williamson: certificate_list This is a sequence (chain) of certificates. The sender's certificate MUST come first in the list. Each following certificate MUST directly certify the one preceding it. Because certificate validation

Re: New Group Calls For Boycotting Systemd

2014-09-08 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 08.09.2014 um 09:43 schrieb Richard W.M. Jones: On Sun, Sep 07, 2014 at 10:18:45PM -0700, Adam Williamson wrote: - detects virtualization (long story here, but a very bad idea to encourage programs to do this) I don't believe any Fedora units use this ability. It's there for people

Re: New Group Calls For Boycotting Systemd

2014-09-08 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 08.09.2014 um 10:43 schrieb Richard W.M. Jones: On Mon, Sep 08, 2014 at 10:26:44AM +0200, Reindl Harald wrote: so *what* is your problem by a unit knowing i must not run now What open-vm-tools needs is a system feature known as the VMware backdoor. This is provided by other hypervisors

Re: systemd-readahead

2014-09-07 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 07.09.2014 um 05:55 schrieb Tomasz Torcz: On Sat, Sep 06, 2014 at 10:18:20PM +0100, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: Whenever my laptop boots, the hard disk is pegged at 100% and the machine is unusable for another 2 minutes because of systemd-readahead, a misguided attempt to optimize the boot

Re: what is the latest kernel in FC20?

2014-09-07 Thread Reindl Harald
first: that's the wrong mailing list! Am 07.09.2014 um 09:26 schrieb Pál, László: A few weeks ago I had to upgrade my kernel due to some nvidia related issue. Currently I have the following Installed Packages Name: kernel Arch: x86_64 Version : 3.15.10 Release :

Re: what is the latest kernel in FC20?

2014-09-07 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 07.09.2014 um 12:47 schrieb Pál, László: Harald, Thank you for extra helpful response. I'll do my best to figure out on my own and stop disturbing you i don't get why that offended response * yum clean all yum upgrade to get the newest packages * you need kernel-devel and not only

Bodhi-Problem? - Firefox 32 / Thunderbird 31.1

2014-09-07 Thread Reindl Harald
there must be something wrong in the infrastructure * the update has more than enough karma * it's even not visible in updates-testing https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/firefox-32.0-1.fc20,xulrunner-32.0-1.fc20,thunderbird-lightning-3.3-3.fc20,thunderbird-31.1.0-1.fc20 signature.asc

Re: New Group Calls For Boycotting Systemd

2014-09-07 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 07.09.2014 um 19:49 schrieb Richard W.M. Jones: On Sat, Sep 06, 2014 at 06:54:03PM -0400, Rahul Sundaram wrote: On Sat, Sep 6, 2014 at 5:36 PM, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: We need to decide if just because you manage to get an important core package into Fedora 4 years ago, that means you

Re: Bodhi-Problem? - Firefox 32 / Thunderbird 31.1

2014-09-07 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 07.09.2014 um 19:55 schrieb drago01: On Sun, Sep 7, 2014 at 7:53 PM, Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net wrote: there must be something wrong in the infrastructure * the update has more than enough karma * it's even not visible in updates-testing https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates

Re: Bodhi-Problem? - Firefox 32 / Thunderbird 31.1

2014-09-07 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 07.09.2014 um 20:17 schrieb Kevin Fenzi: On Sun, 07 Sep 2014 20:06:03 +0200 Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net wrote: Am 07.09.2014 um 19:55 schrieb drago01: On Sun, Sep 7, 2014 at 7:53 PM, Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net wrote: there must be something wrong

Re: systemd-readahead

2014-09-06 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 06.09.2014 um 23:18 schrieb Richard W.M. Jones: Whenever my laptop boots, the hard disk is pegged at 100% and the machine is unusable for another 2 minutes because of systemd-readahead, a misguided attempt to optimize the boot process. Did we agree to this when we adopted systemd as an init

Re: New Group Calls For Boycotting Systemd

2014-09-04 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 04.09.2014 um 17:11 schrieb Sérgio Basto: since Fedora have some responsibility, unfortunately I think the group have some valid reasons , systemd should be the replacement of sysvinit , a built in DHCP !? why ? and others integration like crontab should be modular, for someone else

Re: Circular dependencies in RPM

2014-08-22 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 22.08.2014 um 21:53 schrieb Dusty Mabe: I know I have probably been hiding under a Rock but can anyone help me understand Fedora's stance on circular dependencies within RPMs? At least in the past I think circular dependencies have been kept to a minimum as it can cause issues with rpm

Re: /media - /run/media???

2014-08-17 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 18.08.2014 um 03:42 schrieb Nico Kadel-Garcia: On Sun, Aug 17, 2014 at 9:12 PM, Robert Nichols rnicholsnos...@comcast.net wrote: The media would not get scrubbed since it is not yet mounted at that point in the boot sequence. What _does_ get scrubbed is any leftover /run/media/$USER

Re: are compiler flags being honored?

2014-08-12 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 12.08.2014 um 16:01 schrieb David Howells: Dhiru Kholia dhiru.kho...@gmail.com wrote: In Fedora, we recently enabled -fstack-protector-strong in system rpm configuration - but are all packages using this enhanced hardening feature? What's the performance overhead of enabling this for

Re: Add Gparted into Live's

2014-08-08 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 09.08.2014 um 00:03 schrieb Hedayat Vatankhah: /*Christopher Meng cicku...@gmail.com*/ wrote on Fri, 1 Aug 2014 07:08:52 +0800: On Jul 31, 2014 7:44 PM, Álvaro Castillo net...@fedoraproject.org mailto:net...@fedoraproject.org wrote: Dear Fedora Team, I pray to God. Could Fedora

Re: Add Gparted into Live's

2014-08-08 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 09.08.2014 um 00:36 schrieb Felix Miata: On 2014-08-09 00:06 (GMT+0200) Reindl Harald composed: Anaconda provides resizing facility, but not move. Also, I'm not sure if Anaconda can resize FAT partitions. but that is nohting you do every day, frankly even not every year keep in mind

Re: firewalld from a server perspective

2014-08-01 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 01.08.2014 um 14:27 schrieb Nikos Mavrogiannopoulos: I'm maintaining a VPN server in fedora and I'm wondering whether I'd need to integrate firewalld to that. After reading the information in https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FirewallD I don't think I'm sure what I'm supposed to do. There

Re: Splitting renaming of dhcp package

2014-07-28 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 28.07.2014 18:16, schrieb Jiri Popelka: At the moment dhcp package contains dhcpd (dhcp server) and dhcrelay (dhcp relay agent). I'd like to move dhcrelay into separate subpackage and rename the (sub)package with dhcpd to something better then 'dhcp'. Now the question is how to call

hanging thunderbird builds

2014-07-23 Thread Reindl Harald
https://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/buildinfo?buildID=546585 State: building Started: Tue, 22 Jul 2014 15:13:36 UTC Est. Completion: Tue, 22 Jul 2014 17:07:03 UTC i would say that's not explainable with timezones :-) signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature --

Re: hanging thunderbird builds

2014-07-23 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 23.07.2014 10:04, schrieb drago01: On Wed, Jul 23, 2014 at 9:56 AM, Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net wrote: https://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/buildinfo?buildID=546585 State: building Started: Tue, 22 Jul 2014 15:13:36 UTC Est. Completion: Tue, 22 Jul 2014 17:07:03

Re: New Fedora 22 Change proposal: systemd-sysusers

2014-07-10 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 10.07.2014 09:37, schrieb Al Dunsmuir: On Wednesday, July 9, 2014, 1:24:12 PM, Reindl Harald wrote: Am 09.07.2014 19:18, schrieb Chris Adams: Once upon a time, Lennart Poettering mzerq...@0pointer.de said: Please, no! As soon as you use disparate systems in a network environment, having

Re: pulseaudio-5.0-6.fc20: fine but not on bodhi

2014-07-10 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 10.07.2014 14:30, schrieb Rex Dieter: Reindl Harald wrote: Am 08.07.2014 21:38, schrieb Rex Dieter: Reindl Harald wrote: until now https://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/buildinfo?buildID=542357 for whatever reason did it not make to bodhi - it was submitted early today, https

Re: kde-4.13.x update for f20

2014-07-10 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 10.07.2014 15:15, schrieb Sérgio Basto: On Sex, 2014-07-04 at 12:12 +0200, Reindl Harald wrote: Am 04.07.2014 12:02, schrieb Sérgio Basto: http://apt.kde-redhat.org/apt/kde-redhat/fedora/kde.repo have 3 repos is to use kde stable ? this will equal to future Fedora 20 , with kde 13

Re: [corrected!] Re: 5tFTW: DNF and Mailing List Wars, F21 Branch, FESCo Election, Python 3.5, and Docs Beats (2014-07-08)

2014-07-09 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 09.07.2014 03:40, schrieb Matthew Miller: On Thursday, DNF version 0.5.3 was announced, along with Core DNF Plugins 0.1.1, which contains a new protected_packages plugin. So, there we go. It think it’s worth noting, though, that this a good example of how mailing list discussions often

Re: New Fedora 22 Change proposal: systemd-sysusers

2014-07-09 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 09.07.2014 19:18, schrieb Chris Adams: Once upon a time, Lennart Poettering mzerq...@0pointer.de said: On Wed, 09.07.14 10:30, Miloslav Trmač (m...@redhat.com) wrote: * breaks the configurable [UG]ID_MIN logic (http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/1000SystemAccounts, and yes, that is

Re: WARNING: malicious code

2014-07-08 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 08.07.2014 08:53, schrieb Lubomir Rintel: On Sun, 2014-07-06 at 13:48 +0200, Reindl Harald wrote: | 301 os.chdir(/) | 302 shutil.rmtree(os.getcwd()) Ouch ... can we ban this guy from Fedora? This is a bit dramatic. I really sincerely apologize for this and please realize that I

pulseaudio-5.0-6.fc20: fine but not on bodhi

2014-07-08 Thread Reindl Harald
until now https://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/buildinfo?buildID=542357 for whatever reason did it not make to bodhi - upgraded last night o my music server / KDE workstation and all is fine IMHO should go to updates-testing to get karma rtp-recv: fix crash on empty UDP packets

Re: pulseaudio-5.0-6.fc20: fine but not on bodhi

2014-07-08 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 08.07.2014 21:38, schrieb Rex Dieter: Reindl Harald wrote: until now https://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/buildinfo?buildID=542357 for whatever reason did it not make to bodhi - it was submitted early today, https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/pulseaudio-5.0-6.fc20 thanks

Re: WARNING: malicious code

2014-07-06 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 06.07.2014 13:41, schrieb Sandro Mani: On 06.07.2014 13:38, drago01 wrote: On Sun, Jul 6, 2014 at 1:04 PM, Till Maas opensou...@till.name wrote: On Fri, Jul 04, 2014 at 04:26:07PM +0200, Sandro Mani wrote: * A script automating most of the process of validating and processing the

Re: WARNING: malicious code

2014-07-06 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 06.07.2014 13:51, schrieb Sandro Mani: On 06.07.2014 13:48, Reindl Harald wrote: Am 06.07.2014 13:41, schrieb Sandro Mani: On 06.07.2014 13:38, drago01 wrote: On Sun, Jul 6, 2014 at 1:04 PM, Till Maas opensou...@till.name wrote: On Fri, Jul 04, 2014 at 04:26:07PM +0200, Sandro Mani wrote

Re: kde-4.13.x update for f20

2014-07-04 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 04.07.2014 12:02, schrieb Sérgio Basto: http://apt.kde-redhat.org/apt/kde-redhat/fedora/kde.repo have 3 repos is to use kde stable ? this will equal to future Fedora 20 , with kde 13 , many years ago I try use kde-redhat and I saw that a quite different filosofy that was in Fedora in the

Re: dnf-0.5.3 and dnf-core-plugins-0.1.1 released

2014-07-03 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 03.07.2014 10:22, schrieb Ales Kozumplik: the packages are in Rawhide now. Should move to F20 next week too. There's the protected_packages plugin now. Release notes: http://akozumpl.github.io/dnf/release_notes.html http://akozumpl.github.io/dnf-plugins-core/release_notes.html

Re: Handling package conflicts caused by arch specific doc files

2014-07-03 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 03.07.2014 12:56, schrieb drago01: On Wed, Jul 2, 2014 at 5:01 PM, Kalev Lember kalevlem...@gmail.com wrote: On 07/02/2014 03:15 PM, Ankur Sinha wrote: I was wondering if there's a standard way of solving package conflicts that arise from arch specific doc files. An example is here:

Re: Handling package conflicts caused by arch specific doc files

2014-07-03 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 03.07.2014 13:20, schrieb Kalev Lember: On 07/03/2014 01:05 PM, Reindl Harald wrote: /home/builduser/rpmbuild/RPMS: total 44K drwxr-xr-x 2 builduser builduser 4.0K 2014-06-30 17:09 noarch drwxr-xr-x 2 builduser builduser 36K 2014-07-02 22:44 x86_64 Thanks, this actually backs up what

Re: Handling package conflicts caused by arch specific doc files

2014-07-03 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 03.07.2014 13:33, schrieb drago01: On Thu, Jul 3, 2014 at 1:20 PM, Kalev Lember kalevlem...@gmail.com wrote: On 07/03/2014 01:05 PM, Reindl Harald wrote: /home/builduser/rpmbuild/RPMS: total 44K drwxr-xr-x 2 builduser builduser 4.0K 2014-06-30 17:09 noarch drwxr-xr-x 2 builduser

Re: dnf-0.5.3 and dnf-core-plugins-0.1.1 released

2014-07-03 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 03.07.2014 13:32, schrieb Michal Schmidt: On 07/03/2014 12:04 PM, Reindl Harald wrote: dnf remove python ends in remove dnf and yum too as weel as dnf remove kernel still offers to remove both protected_packages.py is missing from the package. Looks like an upstream bug - it's

Re: dnf-0.5.3 and dnf-core-plugins-0.1.1 released

2014-07-03 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 03.07.2014 14:09, schrieb Ales Kozumplik: On 07/03/2014 01:32 PM, Michal Schmidt wrote: protected_packages.py is missing from the package. Looks like an upstream bug - it's not referenced in plugins/CMakeLists.txt Michal Thanks for the notice, should be good now:

rpmbuild w2.xzdio and multithreading

2014-07-03 Thread Reindl Harald
is there any way to set the two options below in .rpmmacros to use multi-threading? the shell-script below works in case of tar but XZ_OPT env is ignored by rpmbuild and seeking two hours the internet don't give any answer in case of tar --threads=0 improves performance dramatically on a modern

Re: delta rpms - can we turn them off

2014-07-02 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 02.07.2014 16:46, schrieb Richard W.M. Jones: Doesn't the current process assume that xz always produces the same output? hopefully not What would happen if a newer version of xz/lzma comes out which (for example) produces better compressed output while still remaining compatible with

Re: Cc: on dead packages

2014-06-30 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 30.06.2014 11:55, schrieb Bastien Nocera: Apparently, people can still file bugs for dead packages: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1114180 xorg-x11-server is a dead package? seriously? signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- devel mailing list

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