On Wed, Nov 17, 2021 at 05:58:43PM +, Peter Robinson wrote:
> What else is there that people care about in Fedora that's only i686?
It's not a big deal, but we're using gcc -m32 as a convenient way to
check that various packages still build on 32-bit (as part of CI).
The aim is to catch
On Thu, 2021-11-18 at 16:27 +0100, Fabio Valentini wrote:
> On Thu, Nov 18, 2021 at 1:14 PM Sérgio Basto wrote:
> >
> > Hi,
> > another subject that can be related
> >
> > In thread "I think we should stop building i686 packages we're not
> > shipping" we are alerted for builds for i686 that
Dne 17. 11. 21 v 22:44 Fabio Valentini napsal(a):
So, wine needs i686 multilib packages on x86_64 even if you don't want
to use it to run games, but just for running*any* Windows
application
Beside games that is: accounting SW, photobook creation, legal sw, logistic sw,
I just checked
On 11/18/21 00:27, Kevin Fenzi wrote:
On Wed, Nov 17, 2021 at 05:58:43PM +, Peter Robinson wrote:
What else is there that people care about in Fedora that's only i686?
Well, wine? I don't know how much 32bit wine is used these days.
And not 'in fedora', but people always bring up steam
On Thu, Nov 18, 2021 at 2:41 PM Josh Stone wrote:
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> On 11/18/21 10:15 AM, Neal Gompa wrote:
> > On Thu, Nov 18, 2021 at 12:27 PM Josh Stone wrote:
> >>
> >> On 11/17/21 2:27 PM, Kevin Fenzi wrote:
> >>> And not 'in fedora', but people always bring up steam when these
> >>> disccussions
On 11/18/21 10:15 AM, Neal Gompa wrote:
> On Thu, Nov 18, 2021 at 12:27 PM Josh Stone wrote:
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>> On 11/17/21 2:27 PM, Kevin Fenzi wrote:
>>> And not 'in fedora', but people always bring up steam when these
>>> disccussions happen. I wonder why they are sticking with 32bit?
>>
>> Is that just
Hi,
On 11/18/21 16:27, Fabio Valentini wrote:
> On Thu, Nov 18, 2021 at 1:14 PM Sérgio Basto wrote:
>>
>> Hi,
>> another subject that can be related
>>
>> In thread "I think we should stop building i686 packages we're not
>> shipping" we are alerted for builds for i686 that aren't publish .
>>
On Thu, Nov 18, 2021 at 12:27 PM Josh Stone wrote:
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> On 11/17/21 2:27 PM, Kevin Fenzi wrote:
> > And not 'in fedora', but people always bring up steam when these
> > disccussions happen. I wonder why they are sticking with 32bit?
>
> Is that just for the steam client, or also for its many
On 11/17/21 16:27, Kevin Fenzi wrote:
On Wed, Nov 17, 2021 at 05:58:43PM +, Peter Robinson wrote:
What else is there that people care about in Fedora that's only i686?
Well, wine? I don't know how much 32bit wine is used these days.
Quite a lot. In fact, it's best to think of Windows
Le jeu. 18 nov. 2021 à 03:33, Fabio Valentini a écrit :
>
> Additionally, the steam RPM (as provided by the opt-in third-party
> repository that comes installed by default with Fedora Workstation) is
> a i686-only package (sad face), and hence also pulls in i686
The RPM Fusion package is built
On 11/17/21 2:27 PM, Kevin Fenzi wrote:
> And not 'in fedora', but people always bring up steam when these
> disccussions happen. I wonder why they are sticking with 32bit?
Is that just for the steam client, or also for its many legacy games?
ISTR it provides its own platform libraries for games,
On Thu, 2021-11-18 at 16:27 +0100, Fabio Valentini wrote:
> On Thu, Nov 18, 2021 at 1:14 PM Sérgio Basto
> wrote:
> >
> > Hi,
> > another subject that can be related
> >
> > In thread "I think we should stop building i686 packages we're not
> > shipping" we are alerted for builds for i686 that
On Thu, Nov 18, 2021 at 5:59 AM Maxwell G (@gotmax23) wrote:
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> Nov 17, 2021 4:56:36 AM Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek :
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> > On Wed, Nov 17, 2021 at 10:53:30AM +, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote:
>
> > [...]
> >>
> >> And obviously the advantage is that this can be done now, and doesn't
>
On Thu, Nov 18, 2021 at 1:14 PM Sérgio Basto wrote:
>
> Hi,
> another subject that can be related
>
> In thread "I think we should stop building i686 packages we're not
> shipping" we are alerted for builds for i686 that aren't publish .
> Following the tip , I found some packages that we aren't
Hi,
another subject that can be related
In thread "I think we should stop building i686 packages we're not
shipping" we are alerted for builds for i686 that aren't publish .
Following the tip , I found some packages that we aren't shipped are
needed to allow mock start the buildroot for example
On Wednesday, 17 November 2021 at 22:06, Dominik 'Rathann' Mierzejewski wrote:
> On Wednesday, 17 November 2021 at 18:58, Peter Robinson wrote:
> [...]
> > What else is there that people care about in Fedora that's only i686?
>
> There are some old proprietary games with i686-only binaries. I'll
On Wed, Nov 17, 2021 at 10:44:25PM +0100, Fabio Valentini wrote:
> On Wed, Nov 17, 2021 at 10:07 PM Dominik 'Rathann' Mierzejewski
> wrote:
> >
> > On Wednesday, 17 November 2021 at 18:58, Peter Robinson wrote:
> > [...]
> > > What else is there that people care about in Fedora that's only i686?
Nov 17, 2021 4:56:36 AM Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek :
> On Wed, Nov 17, 2021 at 10:53:30AM +, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote:
> [...]
>>
>> And obviously the advantage is that this can be done now, and doesn't
>> require any new infra or maintenance. The only trick would be how to
>>
On Wed, Nov 17, 2021 at 10:07 PM Dominik 'Rathann' Mierzejewski
wrote:
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> On Wednesday, 17 November 2021 at 18:58, Peter Robinson wrote:
> [...]
> > What else is there that people care about in Fedora that's only i686?
>
> There are some old proprietary games with i686-only binaries. I'll check
On Wed, Nov 17, 2021 at 05:58:43PM +, Peter Robinson wrote:
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> What else is there that people care about in Fedora that's only i686?
Well, wine? I don't know how much 32bit wine is used these days.
And not 'in fedora', but people always bring up steam when these
disccussions happen. I
On Wednesday, 17 November 2021 at 18:58, Peter Robinson wrote:
[...]
> What else is there that people care about in Fedora that's only i686?
There are some old proprietary games with i686-only binaries. I'll check
which packages are required by the ones I have.
Regards,
Dominik
--
Fedora
> > > Since it's not practical to modify almost all Fedora packages to add
> > > "ExcludeArch: %{ix86}" to them, we'd probably need a different
> > > machanism for this. I have a vague idea:
> >
> > Is it really not? This seems the easiest way to go about it, honestly -
> > just have it be
On Wed, Nov 17, 2021 at 12:17:30PM +0100, Fabio Valentini wrote:
> I really *don't* think a manual, individual opt-out like this is a good idea.
>
> Imagine the scenario where a package maintaner unilaterally adds
> "ExcludeArch: %{ix68}" to one of their packages. This might be an
> honest
On Wed, Nov 17, 2021 at 11:27:13AM +, Ahmed Almeleh wrote:
> I see your point, I am a part of the Quality Assurance team here.
>
> +1 On retiring all i686 (32 Bit Systems)
Did you see the part where we are using those packages for multilib?
This would immediately kill Wine, Steam, and 32-bit
I see your point, I am a part of the Quality Assurance team here.
+1 Making it easier on package maintainers
+1 On retiring all i686 (32 Bit Systems)
On Wed, 17 Nov 2021, 11:18 Fabio Valentini, wrote:
> On Wed, Nov 17, 2021 at 11:53 AM Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek
> wrote:
> >
> > On Tue,
On Wed, Nov 17, 2021 at 11:53 AM Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek
wrote:
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> On Tue, Nov 16, 2021 at 03:05:37PM -0500, Robbie Harwood wrote:
(small snip)
> > Is it really not? This seems the easiest way to go about it, honestly -
> > just have it be permitted for maintainers to opt their stuff out
On Wed, Nov 17, 2021 at 10:53:30AM +, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote:
> On Tue, Nov 16, 2021 at 03:05:37PM -0500, Robbie Harwood wrote:
> > Fabio Valentini writes:
> >
> > > Since it's not practical to modify almost all Fedora packages to add
> > > "ExcludeArch: %{ix86}" to them, we'd
On Tue, Nov 16, 2021 at 03:05:37PM -0500, Robbie Harwood wrote:
> Fabio Valentini writes:
>
> > Since it's not practical to modify almost all Fedora packages to add
> > "ExcludeArch: %{ix86}" to them, we'd probably need a different
> > machanism for this. I have a vague idea:
>
> Is it really
On 16/11/2021 20:47, Fabio Valentini wrote:
Our current approach, which is to "build everything but ship almost
nothing" - just to keep x86_64 / i686 multilib working - is, frankly,
very wasteful of computing and storage resources, as well as a burden
on maintainers of big packages, which
On Tue, Nov 16, 2021 at 9:27 PM Miro Hrončok wrote:
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> On 16. 11. 21 20:47, Fabio Valentini wrote:
> > Hi everybody,
> >
> > The announcement of the Change proposal to drop armv7 support with F37
> > has reminded me of something that I wanted to ask about some time ago:
> > How we could work
On 16. 11. 21 20:47, Fabio Valentini wrote:
Hi everybody,
The announcement of the Change proposal to drop armv7 support with F37
has reminded me of something that I wanted to ask about some time ago:
How we could work towards reducing the number of packages we build for
i686.
Our current
> Robbie Harwood writes:
> Fabio Valentini writes:
>> Since it's not practical to modify almost all Fedora packages to add
>> "ExcludeArch: %{ix86}" to them, we'd probably need a different
>> machanism for this.
> Is it really not? This seems the easiest way to go about it, honestly
> -
Fabio Valentini writes:
> Since it's not practical to modify almost all Fedora packages to add
> "ExcludeArch: %{ix86}" to them, we'd probably need a different
> machanism for this. I have a vague idea:
Is it really not? This seems the easiest way to go about it, honestly -
just have it be
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