On 01/31/2012 04:27 PM, Emmanuel Seyman wrote:
* Przemek Klosowski [31/01/2012 00:37] :
To solve that, I'd be nice if there was a way to roll over an EOL
version into an appropriate release of one of the
long-term-supported systems such as RHEL, Centos or Scientific
Linux.
This would be a
On Wed, Feb 01, 2012 at 13:20:58 -0500,
Przemek Klosowski przemek.klosow...@nist.gov wrote:
Precisely---but lack of the EOL path sometimes prevents use of
Fedora in the first place. Jon Vos said elsewhere in this discussion
that Fedora is not for long term if updates/security are an issue.
2012/2/1 Bruno Wolff III br...@wolff.to:
A lot of people need to step up and do the work. So far no one has been
able to successfully organize a group to do it. And given Fedora is more
likely
to attract people who want to run the latest and (hopefully) greatest stuff,
I would expect finding
* Przemek Klosowski [01/02/2012 19:58] :
I am just trying to explore if there's a way around that.
The answer is the same on this subject and the rolling release:
You need to get a group together, put together a set of specifications
that everybody agrees on and start working on making it
On 01/30/2012 07:55 PM, Kevin Kofler wrote:
Przemek Klosowski wrote:
To solve that, I'd be nice if there was a way to roll over an EOL
version into an appropriate release of one of the long-term-supported
systems such as RHEL, Centos or Scientific Linux.
This is impossible due to how the
On Tue, Jan 31, 2012 at 10:36:32AM -0500, Przemek Klosowski wrote:
The downgrades would actually be better than having an unsupported
system that doesn't get any updates ever. The assumption here is that
the downgrades aren't introducing any security or fundamental
functionality
On 01/31/2012 10:45 AM, Jos Vos wrote:
On Tue, Jan 31, 2012 at 10:36:32AM -0500, Przemek Klosowski wrote:
The downgrades would actually be better than having an unsupported
system that doesn't get any updates ever. The assumption here is that
the downgrades aren't introducing any security or
On Tue, Jan 31, 2012 at 11:26:49AM -0500, Przemek Klosowski wrote:
At the same time, if the deployment is successful, we're no longer
chasing the latest features, and the stability becomes paramount---the
good is the enemy of the best. For a while, Fedora allows us to coast on
such a
* Przemek Klosowski [31/01/2012 00:37] :
To solve that, I'd be nice if there was a way to roll over an EOL
version into an appropriate release of one of the
long-term-supported systems such as RHEL, Centos or Scientific
Linux.
This would be a massive distraction from our mission.
Get the
On 01/30/2012 08:05 AM, Aleksandar Kurtakov wrote:
Fedora's huge advantage and huge disatvantage is the same - For a great number
of packages the package maintainer is upstream developer too.
This is great in my eyes, making all other distros not even coming close for
development purposes.
I'm using Tumbleweed for some releases now and I'm amazed to see how
smooth and painless openSUSE make it look to use and maintain. To
them, it is basically just a repo, but, as Greg said, this ease of
maintain is due to the openSUSE Build Service and I'm not sure this
will be so easy in Fedora.
On Sat, Jan 28, 2012 at 3:42 PM, Noah Hall noah.h...@fuduntu.org wrote:
Fuduntu Dev here.
One question for you with your Fuduntu Dev hat on.
Is Fuduntu is still using a Gnome 2 derived desktop experience?
Assuming that is true. And please correct me if it is not. Can you
point me to any
On 01/28/2012 07:42 PM, Noah Hall wrote:
Fuduntu Dev here.
...
Fuduntu didn't start out as a rolling release. We had versions for a
while, until we realised we were basically releasing newer snapshots
of our current software with slightly different defaults.
Having discussed it as a team, we
On 01/30/2012 05:17 PM, Przemek Klosowski wrote:
The argument against rolling upgrades is that it's a wonderful idea
early on, but then you run into a morass as time goes on, because of:
- difficulty of handling wanted vs. unwanted updates, which in turn
creates combinatorially growing
On Sat, 2012-01-28 at 23:26 +, Robert 'Bob' Jensen wrote:
I do not thing it is worthwhile for them to do so. There may already
be a document somewhere on the wiki on this topic. It will never be
found because since the day mediawiki was rolled out there has not
been a usable search.
On Mon, 2012-01-30 at 11:05 -0200, Henrique Junior wrote:
I'm using Tumbleweed for some releases now and I'm amazed to see how
smooth and painless openSUSE make it look to use and maintain. To
them, it is basically just a repo, but, as Greg said, this ease of
maintain is due to the openSUSE
Przemek Klosowski wrote:
To solve that, I'd be nice if there was a way to roll over an EOL
version into an appropriate release of one of the long-term-supported
systems such as RHEL, Centos or Scientific Linux.
This is impossible due to how the Fedora and RHEL releases align, and it is
On 01/28/2012 01:10 AM, Andrew Wyatt wrote:
I read the list thread concerning a Fedora rolling release distribution,
and I found it interesting enough to compel me to join the list and
weigh in.
First, I think a rolling release Fedora is a fantastic idea. I'm certain
that it's possible, since
- Brendan Jones brendan.jones...@gmail.com wrote:
On 01/28/2012 01:10 AM, Andrew Wyatt wrote:
SNIP
Point in time release from your stable repository as Fedora 17, 18,
19.
This model been working for us for a short while now.
You guys are already set up for success, IMHO much
On 01/29/2012 10:56 PM, Robert 'Bob' Jensen wrote:
- Brendan Jonesbrendan.jones...@gmail.com wrote:
On 01/28/2012 01:10 AM, Andrew Wyatt wrote:
SNIP
Point in time release from your stable repository as Fedora 17, 18,
19.
This model been working for us for a short while now.
You
On Sun, Jan 29, 2012 at 9:56 PM, Robert 'Bob' Jensen
b...@fedoraunity.org wrote:
- Brendan Jones brendan.jones...@gmail.com wrote:
On 01/28/2012 01:10 AM, Andrew Wyatt wrote:
SNIP
Point in time release from your stable repository as Fedora 17, 18,
19.
This model been working for
On dom, 2012-01-29 at 22:57 +, Noah Hall wrote:
I'd love for Fedora become rolling simply because messing around
with preupgrade and reinstalling is oh so tedious and a waste of my
time. Why do you think more people are using Ubuntu for development?
Whatever their reasons might be, Ubuntu
Am 29.01.2012 23:57, schrieb Noah Hall:
Fuduntu is not the best. Neither is Fedora. I, myself, am a Rawhide
user. I'd love for Fedora become rolling simply because messing around
with preupgrade and reinstalling is oh so tedious and a waste of my
time.
why are you doing it instead a
On Sun, Jan 29, 2012 at 11:13 PM, Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net wrote:
Am 29.01.2012 23:57, schrieb Noah Hall:
Fuduntu is not the best. Neither is Fedora. I, myself, am a Rawhide
user. I'd love for Fedora become rolling simply because messing around
with preupgrade and reinstalling is
I've started talking to Greg KH, the guy who implemented openSUSE
Tumbleweed. Here is what he said:
1 - What were the changes in the infrastructure necessary for the operation of
openSUSE Tumbleweed?
None.
2 - The Tumbleweed has led to a great cost in manpower to be maintained?
Nope, it's
On 01/29/2012 11:57 PM, Noah Hall wrote:
On Sun, Jan 29, 2012 at 9:56 PM, Robert 'Bob' Jensen
b...@fedoraunity.org wrote:
- Brendan Jonesbrendan.jones...@gmail.com wrote:
On 01/28/2012 01:10 AM, Andrew Wyatt wrote:
SNIP
Point in time release from your stable repository as Fedora
On Sat, 28 Jan 2012 18:23:07 -0500
Genes MailLists li...@sapience.com wrote:
On 01/28/2012 12:23 PM, Kevin Fenzi wrote:
On Sat, 28 Jan 2012 11:15:11 -0600
Andrew Wyatt and...@fuduntu.org wrote:
...snip...
...
I think the way forward is the one I outlined in:
On 01/30/2012 01:17 AM, Kevin Fenzi wrote:
On Sat, 28 Jan 2012 18:23:07 -0500
Genes MailListsli...@sapience.com wrote:
On 01/28/2012 12:23 PM, Kevin Fenzi wrote:
On Sat, 28 Jan 2012 11:15:11 -0600
Andrew Wyattand...@fuduntu.org wrote:
...snip...
...
I think the way forward is the one
On 01/30/2012 12:59 AM, Henrique Junior wrote:
I've started talking to Greg KH, the guy who implemented openSUSE
Tumbleweed. Here is what he said:
1 - What were the changes in the infrastructure necessary for the operation of
openSUSE Tumbleweed?
None.
2 - The Tumbleweed has led to a great
On 01/30/2012 01:49 AM, Andrew Wyatt wrote:
I think we have all missed the point, this is not about a rolling release for
Fedora, it'a about FUDuntu using this list to gain attention for their project.
If it is about Fedora it is then about reducing their workload.
I'll pass on either, the
- Original Message -
From: Brendan Jones brendan.jones...@gmail.com
To: devel@lists.fedoraproject.org
Sent: Monday, January 30, 2012 2:44:21 AM
Subject: Re: Rolling release Fedora - fantastic idea
On 01/30/2012 12:59 AM, Henrique Junior wrote:
I've started talking to Greg KH
On 01/27/2012 10:50 PM, Kevin Kofler wrote:
You can make your fork of Fedora roll all you want, but please leave
us in peace!
Good luck! ^^
Kevin Kofler
Way to represent Fedora by being a jerk.
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devel mailing list
devel@lists.fedoraproject.org
- Andrew Wyatt and...@fuduntu.org wrote:
Way to represent Fedora by being a jerk.
Way to represent Fedora by being a jerk.
Next time try to be excellent to each other. Two things I personally get
tired of reading. A rhetorical question comes to mind Would you rather he was
excellent to
On 01/28/2012 10:35 AM, Robert 'Bob' Jensen wrote:
- Andrew Wyattand...@fuduntu.org wrote:
Way to represent Fedora by being a jerk.
Way to represent Fedora by being a jerk.
Next time try to be excellent to each other. Two things I personally get tired of
reading. A rhetorical question
- Andrew Wyatt and...@fuduntu.org wrote:
I didn't call him a jerk because he disagreed about the potential of
Fedora as a rolling release. I called him a jerk for being a jerk. I
offered nothing but praise for Fedora, and he started the response
with
just go away.
There is a
On Sat, Jan 28, 2012 at 11:15:11AM -0600, Andrew Wyatt wrote:
Back on topic. It wouldn't continue to come up if people didn't see
value in it. Simply discarding the idea because a lot of developers
feel that it's a waste of time is not valid criticism of the idea.
If you can't count how
On 01/28/2012 11:23 AM, Kevin Fenzi wrote:
On Sat, 28 Jan 2012 11:15:11 -0600
Andrew Wyattand...@fuduntu.org wrote:
...snip...
Back on topic. It wouldn't continue to come up if people didn't see
value in it. Simply discarding the idea because a lot of
developers feel that it's a waste of
On 01/28/2012 10:59 AM, Robert 'Bob' Jensen wrote:
- Andrew Wyattand...@fuduntu.org wrote:
I didn't call him a jerk because he disagreed about the potential of
Fedora as a rolling release. I called him a jerk for being a jerk. I
offered nothing but praise for Fedora, and he started the
On Sat, Jan 28, 2012 at 07:41:47AM -0600, Andrew Wyatt wrote:
On 01/27/2012 10:50 PM, Kevin Kofler wrote:
You can make your fork of Fedora roll all you want, but please
leave us in peace!
Good luck! ^^
Kevin Kofler
Way to represent Fedora by being a jerk.
Just as a reminder,
On 01/28/2012 05:40 AM, Andrew Wyatt wrote:
I read the list thread concerning a Fedora rolling release distribution,
and I found it interesting enough to compel me to join the list and
weigh in.
First, I think a rolling release Fedora is a fantastic idea. I'm
certain that it's possible,
On 01/28/2012 12:23 PM, Kevin Fenzi wrote:
On Sat, 28 Jan 2012 11:15:11 -0600
Andrew Wyatt and...@fuduntu.org wrote:
...snip...
...
I think the way forward is the one I outlined in:
http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/devel/2012-January/161632.html
Until those interested can
- Genes MailLists li...@sapience.com wrote:
Possibly - but without the support from at least some of the Fedora
core team (fesco, board, key redhatters etc) and possibly some on the
RH
business side recognizing some potential benefit in the enterprise
setting, this is quite likely
On 01/28/2012 04:26 PM, Robert 'Bob' Jensen wrote:
Gene, forgive me while I go off on a slight tangent forking the thread.
I do not thing it is worthwhile for them to do so. There may already be a
document somewhere on the wiki on this topic. It will never be found because
since the day
Fuduntu Dev here.
I'm not going to bore you all on how great rolling is, and how it's a
great model that works for everyone - I'll assume the good folks of
Fedora have already researched many different models. Instead, what
I'm going to talk about is the feasibility and the logistics.
Fuduntu
Andrew Wyatt wrote:
I didn't call him a jerk because he disagreed about the potential of
Fedora as a rolling release. I called him a jerk for being a jerk. I
offered nothing but praise for Fedora, and he started the response with
just go away.
After seeing you boast about how at Fuduntu we
I thought you didn't speak for the community. I'm sorry if forking hurt your
feelings, but there really were only two options. Go forward and rework
everything for 15 or 16, or fork. Fedora 14 was EOS, remember?
Besides, you have no right and no business telling me where I am or am not
On 01/29/2012 06:12 AM, Noah Hall wrote:
Fuduntu Dev here.
I'm not going to bore you all on how great rolling is, and how it's a
great model that works for everyone - I'll assume the good folks of
Fedora have already researched many different models. Instead, what
I'm going to talk about is
Andrew Wyatt wrote:
First, I think a rolling release Fedora is a fantastic idea. I'm
certain that it's possible, since I've been pulling packages from 15,
16, and Rawhide downstream to Fuduntu
You can make your fork of Fedora roll all you want, but please leave us in
peace!
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