On Sat, 2013-02-02 at 07:24 +, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote:
> On 02/02/2013 07:12 AM, David Tardon wrote:
> > On Sat, Feb 02, 2013 at 06:20:18AM +, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote:
> >> On 02/02/2013 05:57 AM, Chris Adams wrote:
> >>> If you can't handle that, then Fedora development might
On Sat, Feb 02, 2013 at 07:06:12AM +, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote:
> On 02/02/2013 07:03 AM, David Tardon wrote:
> >On Sat, Feb 02, 2013 at 02:08:00AM +, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote:
> >>When I meet a maintainer in the project that stated to me "I have to
> >>talk to my manager first" b
On 02/02/2013 07:12 AM, David Tardon wrote:
On Sat, Feb 02, 2013 at 06:20:18AM +, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote:
On 02/02/2013 05:57 AM, Chris Adams wrote:
If you can't handle that, then Fedora development might not be the right
place for you.
Get the fuck out before you get in my busines
On Sat, Feb 02, 2013 at 06:20:18AM +, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote:
> On 02/02/2013 05:57 AM, Chris Adams wrote:
> >If you can't handle that, then Fedora development might not be the right
> >place for you.
> >
> Get the fuck out before you get in my business. If you want to test
> me here I a
On 02/02/2013 07:03 AM, David Tardon wrote:
On Sat, Feb 02, 2013 at 02:08:00AM +, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote:
When I meet a maintainer in the project that stated to me "I have to
talk to my manager first" before upgrading his "component" that
rings alarm bells to me, That gives me the fee
On Sat, Feb 02, 2013 at 02:08:00AM +, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote:
> When I meet a maintainer in the project that stated to me "I have to
> talk to my manager first" before upgrading his "component" that
> rings alarm bells to me, That gives me the feel that they are
> maintaining their compo
On 02/02/2013 02:28 AM, Rahul Sundaram wrote:
Hi
On Fri, Feb 1, 2013 at 9:08 PM, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote:
Either RH employees are participating in the project by their own
free will or not. I have personally meet both sides which has
gotten me confused and conflicted.
Empl
On 02/02/2013 02:39 AM, Reindl Harald wrote:
Am 02.02.2013 03:08, schrieb Jóhann B. Guðmundsson:
When I meet a maintainer in the project that stated to me "I have to talk to my
manager first" before upgrading his
"component" that rings alarm bells to me, That gives me the feel that they are
m
On 02/02/2013 05:57 AM, Chris Adams wrote:
Once upon a time, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" said:
Feeling happy in the Red Hat position they invented for you in QA.
Feeling a big man now? Challenged accepted big man you have in your rein
of error effectively killed 2 thriving process in the QA communi
On 02/02/2013 02:28 AM, Adam Williamson wrote:
On Sat, 2013-02-02 at 01:25 +, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote:
Feeling happy in the Red Hat position they invented for you in QA.
Feeling a big man now? Challenged accepted big man you have in your rein
of error effectively killed 2 thriving pro
Once upon a time, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" said:
> Feeling happy in the Red Hat position they invented for you in QA.
> Feeling a big man now? Challenged accepted big man you have in your rein
> of error effectively killed 2 thriving process in the QA community. Do
> you really want to head down
On Sat, 2013-02-02 at 01:25 +, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote:
> Feeling happy in the Red Hat position they invented for you in QA.
> Feeling a big man now? Challenged accepted big man you have in your rein
> of error effectively killed 2 thriving process in the QA community. Do
> you really
Hi
On Fri, Feb 1, 2013 at 9:08 PM, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote:
> Either RH employees are participating in the project by their own free
> will or not. I have personally meet both sides which has gotten me confused
> and conflicted.
>
Employees can have assigned duties as well as projects of
On 02/02/2013 01:57 AM, Rahul Sundaram wrote:
Hi
On Fri, Feb 1, 2013 at 7:52 PM, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson"
mailto:johan...@gmail.com>> wrote:
I know few RH employees who would beg the differ, many of which go
above and beyond their "corporate" duties but I'll remember your
remarks
Hi
On Fri, Feb 1, 2013 at 7:52 PM, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson"
wrote:
>
> I know few RH employees who would beg the differ, many of which go above
> and beyond their "corporate" duties but I'll remember your remarks.
>
> It's good to know there exist that corporate line...
>
You don't seem to have
On Fri, Feb 01, 2013 at 04:36:20PM -0500, Bill Nottingham wrote:
> 3) introduce compatibility
> The cron and at interfaces aren't complex at all. It shouldn't be
> too hard to have a generator that reads crontab and cron.*, and
> the at queue, and creates the approprate timer files for systemd,
> i
On Sat, Feb 02, 2013 at 01:25:09 +,
"\"Jóhann B. Guðmundsson\"" wrote:
community. Do you really want to head down this road with me? Go
ahead big man make my day!
This is not appropriate behavior for a Fedora contributor.
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On 02/02/2013 01:16 AM, Adam Williamson wrote:
On Fri, 2013-02-01 at 19:38 +, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote:
On 02/01/2013 05:16 PM, Adam Williamson wrote:
On Fri, 2013-02-01 at 08:44 +, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote:
On 02/01/2013 04:21 AM, David Tardon wrote:
On Thu, Jan 31, 2013 at
On Fri, Feb 01, 2013 at 08:17:26PM -0500, Paul Wouters wrote:
> The guests can always run their own rngd type tool?
Yeah, this just makes host randomness available to the guest - it
doesn't directly feed it to /dev/random. The guest still gets to define
its own policy.
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On Sat, Feb 2, 2013 at 2:19 AM, Paul Wouters wrote:
> On Fri, 1 Feb 2013, Matthew Garrett wrote:
>
>> other than providing other sources of entropy, and long-term this is
>> going to be fixed once everyone's moved to Ivy Bridge and has an
>> unprivileged instruction to hand out entropy.
>
> uhm I
On Fri, Feb 01, 2013 at 08:19:30PM -0500, Paul Wouters wrote:
> On Fri, 1 Feb 2013, Matthew Garrett wrote:
>
> >other than providing other sources of entropy, and long-term this is
> >going to be fixed once everyone's moved to Ivy Bridge and has an
> >unprivileged instruction to hand out entropy.
On Fri, 1 Feb 2013, Matthew Garrett wrote:
other than providing other sources of entropy, and long-term this is
going to be fixed once everyone's moved to Ivy Bridge and has an
unprivileged instruction to hand out entropy.
uhm I know intel really wants us to use it directly and trust them, but
On Fri, 1 Feb 2013, Bill Nottingham wrote:
VirtIO RNG (random number generator) is a paravirtualized device that is
exposed as a hardware RNG device to the guest. Virtio RNG just appears as a
regular hardware RNG to the guest, which the kernel reads from to fill its
entropy pool. This effectivel
On Fri, 2013-02-01 at 19:38 +, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote:
> On 02/01/2013 05:16 PM, Adam Williamson wrote:
> > On Fri, 2013-02-01 at 08:44 +, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote:
> >> On 02/01/2013 04:21 AM, David Tardon wrote:
> >>> On Thu, Jan 31, 2013 at 11:46:33PM +, "Jóhann B. Guðmun
On 02/01/2013 11:14 PM, Stephen John Smoogen wrote:
On 1 February 2013 15:57, Miloslav Trmač wrote:
On Fri, Feb 1, 2013 at 10:36 PM, Bill Nottingham wrote:
In any case, to look at 'we have this functionality... now what':
For the sake of completeness, the default is 0) Avoid all the
argument
On 02/01/2013 08:32 PM, Rahul Sundaram wrote:
Hi
On Fri, Feb 1, 2013 at 3:23 PM, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson"
You can go yourself through the community working log meetings to
find my reference.
I would expect RH employee ( and other corporation's employee )
sitting at the same tab
On Fri, Feb 1, 2013 at 10:39 PM, Bill Nottingham wrote:
> Given FIPS paranoia about RNG sources, does this have knock-on effects in
> the FIPS compliance of guests depending on how it's fed in the host?
(Hoping for an answer from someone who has actually fully analyzed the
FIPS RNG situation and
On 1 February 2013 16:40, Matthew Garrett wrote:
> On Fri, Feb 01, 2013 at 04:39:17PM -0500, Bill Nottingham wrote:
>> Given FIPS paranoia about RNG sources, does this have knock-on effects in
>> the FIPS compliance of guests depending on how it's fed in the host?
>
> I'm not convinced that you c
On Fri, Feb 01, 2013 at 04:39:17PM -0500, Bill Nottingham wrote:
> What exactly feeds /dev/random in the guest in the cases where this doesn't
> exist, and how do we cope with this obviously making /dev/random exhaustion
> in the host much more likely? (Other than assume that a HW RNG is in the
>
Jaroslav Reznik (jrez...@redhat.com) said:
> Feature owner(s): Cole Robinson , Amit Shah
>
>
> Provide a paravirtual random number generator to virtual machines, to prevent
> entropy starvation in guests.
>
> == Detailed description ==
> The linux kernel collects entropy from various non-de
On 1 February 2013 15:57, Miloslav Trmač wrote:
> On Fri, Feb 1, 2013 at 10:36 PM, Bill Nottingham wrote:
>> In any case, to look at 'we have this functionality... now what':
>
> For the sake of completeness, the default is 0) Avoid all the
> arguments and work, and continue using existing files.
On Fri, Feb 1, 2013 at 10:36 PM, Bill Nottingham wrote:
> In any case, to look at 'we have this functionality... now what':
For the sake of completeness, the default is 0) Avoid all the
arguments and work, and continue using existing files.
Is there actually a noticeable benefit in migrating? W
Il 29/01/2013 10:03, Richard W.M. Jones ha scritto:
> On Tue, Jan 29, 2013 at 08:57:11AM +, Peter Robinson wrote:
>> On Tue, Jan 29, 2013 at 8:52 AM, Richard W.M. Jones
>> wrote:
>>> I have a filed a bug about this:
>>>
>>> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=905345
>>> "libcacard can
On Tue, Jan 29, 2013 at 04:25:05AM -0800, Dan Mashal wrote:
> I'm sure QA, releng, docs, etc will go with what the community decides.
>
> Lets have a poll. A very public one.
>
> On the main website. Not somebody's blog. And let's let the users decide
> what they want.
Do we have any significant
"Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" (johan...@gmail.com) said:
> On 01/31/2013 03:51 PM, Bill Nottingham wrote:
> >I would be tempted to say:
> > "Anything running at a core system level where a dependence on a separate
> >cron daemon may be unwanted (or a bad idea) should be migrated, and nothing
> >else f
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On 01/31/2013 02:08 PM, Jaroslav Reznik wrote:
> = Features/SystemConfigurationShell =
> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/SystemConfigurationShell
>
> Feature owner(s): Tom Schwaller
>
> The System Configuration Shell System provides an easy
Hi
On Fri, Feb 1, 2013 at 3:23 PM, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson"
>
> You can go yourself through the community working log meetings to find my
> reference.
>
> I would expect RH employee ( and other corporation's employee ) sitting at
> the same table as their community brethren's and not having to wor
On 02/01/2013 08:04 PM, Rahul Sundaram wrote:
Again, your complaint here seems very vague. Please provide
references. If there is a complaint about someone working in a
company that itself is involved in the project, it is not unexpected
it will get escalated to their manager to help resolv
Hi
On Fri, Feb 1, 2013 at 2:42 PM, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote:
> I dont know if that group actually is active and on one of the group when
it got formed it was proposed that Red Hat employees would > get *special*
treatment within the project and the CWG would speak with their *managers*
so m
On Fri, Feb 01, 2013 at 07:39:48PM +, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote:
> >I really don't understand how it hurts to have multiple people look at the
> >information.
> The plan was to gather that information and give people something to
> actually look at.
So... more information is good, right?
On Fri, Feb 1, 2013 at 1:38 PM, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson"
wrote:
> On 02/01/2013 05:16 PM, Adam Williamson wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 2013-02-01 at 08:44 +, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote:
>>
>>> On 02/01/2013 04:21 AM, David Tardon wrote:
>>>
On Thu, Jan 31, 2013 at 11:46:33PM +, "Jóhann B. Gu
On 02/01/2013 07:41 PM, Rahul Sundaram wrote:
Hi
On Fri, Feb 1, 2013 at 2:28 PM, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote:
I dont mind everyone else opinions and criticism or help staying
in and out of my works and what not except Bill's after the
treatment he has given me over the years.
On 02/01/2013 07:35 PM, Matthew Miller wrote:
On Fri, Feb 01, 2013 at 07:28:56PM +, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote:
I personally would have preferred people waiting and giving me the
chance to go through all the cron jobs and make my presentation and
findings to fesco then afterwards discuss
On 02/01/2013 05:16 PM, Adam Williamson wrote:
On Fri, 2013-02-01 at 08:44 +, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote:
On 02/01/2013 04:21 AM, David Tardon wrote:
On Thu, Jan 31, 2013 at 11:46:33PM +, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote:
And in the midst of me doing this research I have to have Bill
N
Hi
On Fri, Feb 1, 2013 at 2:28 PM, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote:
>
> I dont mind everyone else opinions and criticism or help staying in and
> out of my works and what not except Bill's after the treatment he has given
> me over the years.
>
I have no idea what treatment you are talking about.
On Fri, Feb 01, 2013 at 07:28:56PM +, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote:
> I personally would have preferred people waiting and giving me the
> chance to go through all the cron jobs and make my presentation and
> findings to fesco then afterwards discuss the merits of making the
> switch for the c
On 02/01/2013 07:14 PM, Rahul Sundaram wrote:
Hi
On Fri, Feb 1, 2013 at 3:44 AM, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson"
> And Bills behavior towards me has been so civilized through out the
years.
> If he leaves me and my work alone and general stays away from me
maybe I will...
You are just proving Dav
= Features/Virt Storage Migration =
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/Virt_Storage_Migration
Feature owner(s): Cole Robinson , Paolo Bonzini
Migrate a running virtual machine from one host to another, including in use
storage, with no downtime. No need for a shared storage location betwe
= Features/SystemConfigurationShell =
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/SystemConfigurationShell
Feature owner(s): Tom Schwaller
The System Configuration Shell System provides an easy to use interactive
command line interface with a standardized syntax to manage your system.
== Detailed
Am 01.02.2013 18:22, schrieb Adam Williamson:
> On Fri, 2013-02-01 at 11:46 +0100, Reindl Harald wrote:
>
>> in this case you have already the following because on
>> virtual machines it is very unlikely that hardware
>> fundenemtally changes
>
> Porting machines from one virt system to another
Hi
On Fri, Feb 1, 2013 at 3:44 AM, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson"
> And Bills behavior towards me has been so civilized through out the
years.
> If he leaves me and my work alone and general stays away from me maybe I
will...
You are just proving David Tardon's point here. You have no monopoly on
i
= Features/UsermodeMigration =
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/UsermodeMigration
Feature owner(s): Harald Hoyer , Kay Sievers
, Bill Nottingham
Access control of privileged operations for ordinary users should be handled
exclusively by a centrally managed authority.
Usermode/consoleh
= Features/Virtio RNG =
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/Virtio_RNG
Feature owner(s): Cole Robinson , Amit Shah
Provide a paravirtual random number generator to virtual machines, to prevent
entropy starvation in guests.
== Detailed description ==
The linux kernel collects entropy fro
Hi
On Fri, Feb 1, 2013 at 12:20 PM, Paul Wouters wrote:
>
> Now if only "cannot display date with the time in top panel" could be
> a gnome3 blocker bug, that would be one less gnome3 issue. The other
> major one of notifications being seemingly overengineered while still
> being pretty useless
On Fri, Feb 1, 2013 at 10:20 AM, Paul Wouters wrote:
> Now if only "cannot display date with the time in top panel" could be
> a gnome3 blocker bug, that would be one less gnome3 issue. The other
> major one of notifications being seemingly overengineered while still
> being pretty useless probabl
On 01/02/13 17:20, Paul Wouters wrote:
Now if only "cannot display date with the time in top panel" could be
a gnome3 blocker bug, that would be one less gnome3 issue.
You know you can turn the date on with gnome-tweak-tool right? or just
with this:
gsettings set org.gnome.desktop.interface
GCC 4.8 seems to have a fairly serious regression with regards to converting
Long_Float to Integer:
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=906516
There aren't many ada using packages in in Fedora, but this is affecting plplot.
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On Fri, 2013-02-01 at 11:46 +0100, Reindl Harald wrote:
> in this case you have already the following because on
> virtual machines it is very unlikely that hardware
> fundenemtally changes
Porting machines from one virt system to another isn't that unusual, and
that can cause the hardware to cha
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perl-Clone-0.34-1.fc18, perl-DBI-1.623-1.fc18, perl-DBD-CSV-0.38-1.fc18 has
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please make note of it in this bu
On Wed, 30 Jan 2013, Bruno Wolff III wrote:
On 2013-01-29, 22:52 GMT, Michael Scherer wrote:
I am delighted to announce you that Red Hat has a policy of not
tolerating drugs on the work place. So you should be utterly relieved to
know that no people posting here with a @redhat.com email should
On Fri, 2013-02-01 at 08:44 +, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote:
> On 02/01/2013 04:21 AM, David Tardon wrote:
> > On Thu, Jan 31, 2013 at 11:46:33PM +, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote:
> >> And in the midst of me doing this research I have to have Bill
> >> Notting butting into my work ( and I
Hi,
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389-ds-base
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= Features/ High Availability Container Resources =
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/High_Availability_Container_Resources
Feature owner(s): David Vossel
The Con
Am 01.02.2013 11:37, schrieb Harald Hoyer:
> Am 29.01.2013 16:53, schrieb Dennis Gilmore:
>> as legal has said we cannot pregenerate initramfses i think this should
>> be a non-starter. even loading a 20mb initramfs from a sdcard on a slow
>> arm box doesnt take that long, and id personally much
What about dependency conflicts?
Which one will determine the version of the dependencies?
I think it will have to be the current existing OO right?
So the new one, if added, must build and run with any shared
dependency at the original one levels.
Makes sense?
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On 2013-01-31, 22:07 GMT, Chris Adams wrote:
> I'm not saying having both is a bad thing, but I would like to think
> that there's some thought given to "does Fedora gain from having both",
> since there is a cost involved.
We don’t (unfortunately?) have policy to stop somebody from packaging
wha
On Thu, Jan 31, 2013 at 10:02 PM, Wei, Gang wrote:
> Josh Boyer wrote on 2013-02-01:
>> On Thu, Jan 31, 2013 at 12:40 AM, Wei, Gang wrote:
>>> Bill Nottingham wrote on 2013-01-29:
Jaroslav Reznik (jrez...@redhat.com) said:
> = Features/OpenAttestation =
> https://fedoraproject.org/wi
On 02/01/2013 04:43 AM, Scott Schmit wrote:
On Wed, Jan 30, 2013 at 12:56:18PM +, Jaroslav Reznik wrote:
= Features/FirewalldRichLanguage =
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/FirewalldRichLanguage
Feature owner(s): Thomas Woerner
This feature adds a rich (high level) language to fire
On Fri, 2013-02-01 at 11:41 +0100, Martin Sourada wrote:
> On Fri, 01 Feb 2013 09:38:19 +0100
> Pierre-Yves Chibon wrote:
>
> > On Fri, 2013-02-01 at 09:34 +0100, Robert Mayr wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > 2013/2/1 Martin Sourada
> > >
> > > Yes, defaults needs to be sensible and u
On Fri, 01 Feb 2013 09:38:19 +0100
Pierre-Yves Chibon wrote:
> On Fri, 2013-02-01 at 09:34 +0100, Robert Mayr wrote:
> >
> >
> > 2013/2/1 Martin Sourada
> >
> > Yes, defaults needs to be sensible and usable and for many
> > people
> > that's what they end up w
Am 30.01.2013 00:22, schrieb Dennis Gilmore:
> On Tue, 29 Jan 2013 16:32:12 +
> Matthew Garrett wrote:
>
>> On Tue, Jan 29, 2013 at 09:53:32AM -0600, Dennis Gilmore wrote:
>>> as legal has said we cannot pregenerate initramfses i think this
>>> should be a non-starter.
>>
>> We already ship s
Am 29.01.2013 16:53, schrieb Dennis Gilmore:
> El Tue, 29 Jan 2013 14:45:34 +
> Jaroslav Reznik escribió:
>> = Features/DracutHostOnly =
>> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/DracutHostOnly
>
>> Feature owner(s): Harald Hoyer
>
>> Only create "host-only" initramfs images. A generic fal
Am 29.01.2013 19:28, schrieb Daniel J Walsh:
> On 01/29/2013 11:20 AM, John Reiser wrote:
> A generic fallback image should be installed by anaconda on
> installation/update and never ever be removed.
>
>>> Also, fallback has interesting security properties…
>
>
>> "Rescue mode" forces a
Am 29.01.2013 17:20, schrieb John Reiser:
A generic fallback image should be
installed by anaconda on installation/update and never ever be
removed.
>
>> Also, fallback has interesting security properties…
>
>
> "Rescue mode" forces a SELinux relabel at the next boot, and relabel
On 01/31/2013 08:40 AM, Michael Stahnke wrote:
You actually may have an option. It's dirty, and here be dragons. I
know this from working on RPM on AIX, so again, it's hacky. I did this
on a CentOS 6.3 box for my example, should work on Fedora.
You can do something like:
ls zip-3.0-1.el6.x86
On 02/01/2013 04:21 AM, David Tardon wrote:
On Thu, Jan 31, 2013 at 11:46:33PM +, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote:
And in the midst of me doing this research I have to have Bill
Notting butting into my work ( and I know what that means ), trying
to come up with his own list instead of simply a
On Fri, 2013-02-01 at 09:34 +0100, Robert Mayr wrote:
>
>
> 2013/2/1 Martin Sourada
>
> Yes, defaults needs to be sensible and usable and for many
> people
> that's what they end up with. I'm not saying we should go and
> have AOO
> installed by
2013/2/1 Martin Sourada
>
> Yes, defaults needs to be sensible and usable and for many people
> that's what they end up with. I'm not saying we should go and have AOO
> installed by default, but available in repos in a state that does not
> conflict with LO (and other office suites *in official r
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