updates in stable branches introducing new dependencies

2018-04-09 Thread Dominik 'Rathann' Mierzejewski
Hello, does anyone else beside me think it's not OK to introduce new dependencies without any explanation in package updates released to stable Fedora branches? Arguably, the current stable updates policy is against this https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Updates_Policy#Stable_Releases : [...] Updates

Re: Unacceptable size increase to ALL live images in F28: Noto CJK Fonts

2018-04-09 Thread Tomasz Torcz 👁️
On Tue, Apr 10, 2018 at 02:11:40AM +0200, Kevin Kofler wrote: > Jens-Ulrik Petersen wrote: > > Failing all this should we drop the Serif fonts for Japanese and Korean - > > but it seems unfair to single them out? > > So just drop ALL the CJK Serif fonts, and also the monospace ones (CJK Sans > is

Re: Unacceptable size increase to ALL live images in F28: Noto CJK Fonts

2018-04-09 Thread Jens-Ulrik Petersen
On Tue, Apr 10, 2018 at 9:11 AM, Kevin Kofler wrote: > And IMHO the KDE and LXQt Spins should revert to shipping only > wqy-microhei-fonts and no other CJK fonts. They never promised CJK support > beyond "we can bring up SOME rendering for every character of the typical > SC/TC/J/K text" (and the

Re: Unacceptable size increase to ALL live images in F28: Noto CJK Fonts

2018-04-09 Thread Kevin Kofler
Jens-Ulrik Petersen wrote: > Failing all this should we drop the Serif fonts for Japanese and Korean - > but it seems unfair to single them out? So just drop ALL the CJK Serif fonts, and also the monospace ones (CJK Sans is essentially monospaced anyway), bringing us back to where we were in F26

[Fedocal] Reminder meeting : Modularity Office Hours

2018-04-09 Thread nils
Dear all, You are kindly invited to the meeting: Modularity Office Hours on 2018-04-10 from 10:00:00 to 11:00:00 US/Eastern At fedora-modular...@chat.freenode.net The meeting will be about: This is where you ask the Fedora Modularity Team questions (and we try to answer them)! Join us on

Fedora Rawhide-20180409.n.0 compose check report

2018-04-09 Thread Fedora compose checker
No missing expected images. Failed openQA tests: 46/137 (x86_64), 6/23 (i386), 1/2 (arm) ID: 219058 Test: x86_64 Everything-boot-iso install_default@uefi URL: https://openqa.fedoraproject.org/tests/219058 ID: 219062 Test: x86_64 Workstation-live-iso install_default@uefi URL: https://ope

Re: Fedora Rawhide-20180408.n.0 compose check report

2018-04-09 Thread Adam Williamson
On Sun, 2018-04-08 at 18:05 +, Fedora compose checker wrote: > No missing expected images. > > Failed openQA tests: 46/137 (x86_64), 6/23 (i386), 1/2 (arm) A large chunk of the failures are down to a bug in the new qemu that showed up in Rawhide recently: https://bugs.launchpad.net/qemu/+bug

Fedora 28-20180409.n.0 compose check report

2018-04-09 Thread Fedora compose checker
No missing expected images. Failed openQA tests: 3/137 (x86_64), 4/23 (i386), 1/2 (arm) ID: 219305 Test: i386 Workstation-boot-iso memory_check URL: https://openqa.fedoraproject.org/tests/219305 ID: 219306 Test: i386 Workstation-boot-iso install_default URL: https://openqa.fedoraproject

devel@lists.fedoraproject.org

2018-04-09 Thread Pierre-Francois RENARD
Ian here are 2 bugs autofs : https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1565293 nfs-utils : https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1565310 ___ devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to devel-le...@lists.f

Re: Upcoming gdouros-*-fonts license change and subsequent complications

2018-04-09 Thread Alexander Ploumistos
On Mon, Apr 9, 2018 at 10:24 AM, Nicolas Mailhot wrote: > Le 2018-04-08 10:11, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek a écrit : >>> >>> Nothing is set in stone yet, but some >>> time soon he is going to upload a whole new license text (hopefully in >>> English), probably something custom-made. > > > Try to

Re: Sliming down kernel and provide more as modules

2018-04-09 Thread Jan Pokorný
On 09/04/18 13:38 +0100, Peter Robinson wrote: > On 09/04/18 13:01 +0100, Tomasz Kłoczko wrote: >> 8) If someone is using Linux working in VM or headless HW .. > > Actually a lot of VMs have mice mapped by default. > >> -CONFIG_INPUT_MOUSEDEV=y >> +CONFIG_INPUT_MOUSEDEV=m >> >> -CONFIG_MOUSE_PS2

Re: DNSSEC, DoH, dnscrypt-proxy 1 vs 2

2018-04-09 Thread Chuck Anderson
On Mon, Apr 09, 2018 at 10:54:10AM +0200, Matthias Runge wrote: > On Mon, Apr 09, 2018 at 10:01:21AM +0200, Martin Sehnoutka wrote: > > > Restarted Firefox and then also the whole laptop. Doesn't work. But > > > then I'm in Fedora 28 so it may be a bug. Anyway, getting this to work > > > for me isn

Fedora 28 compose report: 20180409.n.0 changes

2018-04-09 Thread Fedora Branched Report
OLD: Fedora-28-20180407.n.0 NEW: Fedora-28-20180409.n.0 = SUMMARY = Added images:4 Dropped images: 2 Added packages: 6 Dropped packages:0 Upgraded packages: 120 Downgraded packages: 0 Size of added packages: 3.36 MiB Size of dropped packages:0 B Size of

Re: Recommended way to pass CFLAGS/LDFLAGS through libtool

2018-04-09 Thread Adam Jackson
On Mon, 2018-04-09 at 11:15 -0500, Yaakov Selkowitz wrote: > True, if you need to preserve order you need to use -Wl, for each such > argument, e.g.: > > libdemo_la_LDFLAGS = -Xlinker --as-needed -Xlinker -lm -Xlinker > --no-as-needed -lvirt > > or: > > libdemo_la_LDFLAGS = -Wl,--as-needed,

Re: Server SIG Weekly Meeting Minutes (2018-04-03)

2018-04-09 Thread Peter Robinson
> * Feedback: Easy "home media server" would be nice (sgallagh, > 20:08:36) TBH I think that's quite a divergence from a typical "enterprise server" that the Server SIG has targetted. >>> >>> But this is probably much closer to what "real-world" Fedora server >>>

Re: Recommended way to pass CFLAGS/LDFLAGS through libtool

2018-04-09 Thread Yaakov Selkowitz
On 2018-04-09 05:21, Daniel P. Berrangé wrote: > On Mon, Apr 09, 2018 at 04:21:54AM -0500, Yaakov Selkowitz wrote: >> On 2018-04-09 03:59, Florian Weimer wrote: >>> Is there a recommend way to get libtool to pass through all flags >>> specified in CFLAGS and LDFLAGS unchanged, and have the GCC comp

Re: Recommended way to pass CFLAGS/LDFLAGS through libtool

2018-04-09 Thread Yaakov Selkowitz
On 2018-04-09 04:40, Florian Weimer wrote: > On 04/09/2018 11:21 AM, Yaakov Selkowitz wrote: >> On 2018-04-09 03:59, Florian Weimer wrote: >>> Is there a recommend way to get libtool to pass through all flags >>> specified in CFLAGS and LDFLAGS unchanged, and have the GCC compiler >>> driver sort o

Re: Server SIG Weekly Meeting Minutes (2018-04-03)

2018-04-09 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On 8 April 2018 at 07:08, Peter Robinson wrote: > On Sun, Apr 8, 2018 at 12:01 PM, Tomasz Torcz 👁️ wrote: >> On Sun, Apr 08, 2018 at 10:05:12AM +0100, Peter Robinson wrote: >>> >>> > * Feedback: Easy "home media server" would be nice (sgallagh, >>> > 20:08:36) >>> >>> TBH I think that's qu

Fedora rawhide compose report: 20180409.n.0 changes

2018-04-09 Thread Fedora Rawhide Report
OLD: Fedora-Rawhide-20180408.n.0 NEW: Fedora-Rawhide-20180409.n.0 = SUMMARY = Added images:0 Dropped images: 1 Added packages: 0 Dropped packages:0 Upgraded packages: 140 Downgraded packages: 0 Size of added packages: 0 B Size of dropped packages:0 B Size

devel@lists.fedoraproject.org

2018-04-09 Thread Peter Robinson
Have you actually tested any of these proposed changes before you come barging in, or even looked for history as to why they're like that? In reality you should send this, with them all separate, with reasons/justification why you believe they should be changed to the kernel list. > Just checked

devel@lists.fedoraproject.org

2018-04-09 Thread Tomasz Kłoczko
On 9 April 2018 at 07:24, Peter Robinson wrote: [..] > It's also unrelated to this topic, it's (and I use it's, not they're, > as it's one driver) built in because it makes booting faster in the > general use case, it also makes debug and recovery easier when one of > the core filesystems is there

Re: Intent to orphan Python 2

2018-04-09 Thread Petr Viktorin
On 04/08/18 17:49, Kevin Kofler wrote: Rex Dieter wrote: And we've circled back to the original post starting this thread. Note: intent to *orphan*, not intent to *retire*. If it is not going to be retired, then why would we want to kill python2-* subpackages throughout the distribution for n

Re: Fw: fedmsg notification

2018-04-09 Thread Dominik 'Rathann' Mierzejewski
On Monday, 09 April 2018 at 13:20, Pierre-Yves Chibon wrote: [...] > Finally the reason this has not been correctly announced is that we are still > investigating the capacity of the system and the pipeline to check if it can > handle the load of all the package in Fedora, but as said, the pipeline

Interviews on the Fedora Infrastructure Hackathon 2018

2018-04-09 Thread Justin W. Flory
Hi all! This week, the Fedora Infrastructure team is convening for a Hackathon from April 9-13 at Fredericksburg, VA. The hackathon is intended to help the team leap ahead for several critical Fedora and CentOS initiatives. Dennis Otugo, a member of the CommOps team, interviewed members of the Fed

Re: Fw: fedmsg notification

2018-04-09 Thread Pierre-Yves Chibon
On Mon, Apr 09, 2018 at 11:13:11AM +0100, Tom Hughes wrote: > The body is not exactly meaningful either, and if you follow the > link you just get a mostly blank page. > > As best I can tell they are triggered by doing builds, but I seemed > to get three from two builds yesterday so it's not exact

Re: Unacceptable size increase to ALL live images in F28: Noto CJK Fonts

2018-04-09 Thread Jens-Ulrik Petersen
On Sat, Mar 31, 2018 at 7:35 PM, Nicolas Mailhot < nicolas.mail...@laposte.net> wrote: > Le vendredi 30 mars 2018 à 16:45 +0900, Akira TAGOH a écrit : > > The problem on this workaround is that we need an exception for > > packaging because the packaging guidelines mentions we must package > > var

Re: Recommended way to pass CFLAGS/LDFLAGS through libtool

2018-04-09 Thread Daniel P . Berrangé
On Mon, Apr 09, 2018 at 04:21:54AM -0500, Yaakov Selkowitz wrote: > On 2018-04-09 03:59, Florian Weimer wrote: > > Is there a recommend way to get libtool to pass through all flags > > specified in CFLAGS and LDFLAGS unchanged, and have the GCC compiler > > driver sort out which flags to pass to th

Re: Fw: fedmsg notification

2018-04-09 Thread Tom Hughes
The body is not exactly meaningful either, and if you follow the link you just get a mostly blank page. As best I can tell they are triggered by doing builds, but I seemed to get three from two builds yesterday so it's not exactly one-to-one but I still have no idea what they're about. Tom On 0

Re: Fw: fedmsg notification

2018-04-09 Thread Vít Ondruch
I don't mind to receive such notification, but I would welcome if the subject was meaningful. V. Dne 8.4.2018 v 13:47 Michael Schwendt napsal(a): > Please make such a message flood opt-in by default instead of opt-out. > The communication about such new services and their purpose is extremely >

Re: Recommended way to pass CFLAGS/LDFLAGS through libtool

2018-04-09 Thread Florian Weimer
On 04/09/2018 11:21 AM, Yaakov Selkowitz wrote: On 2018-04-09 03:59, Florian Weimer wrote: Is there a recommend way to get libtool to pass through all flags specified in CFLAGS and LDFLAGS unchanged, and have the GCC compiler driver sort out which flags to pass to the compiler/assembler/linker?

Re: Recommended way to pass CFLAGS/LDFLAGS through libtool

2018-04-09 Thread Yaakov Selkowitz
On 2018-04-09 03:59, Florian Weimer wrote: > Is there a recommend way to get libtool to pass through all flags > specified in CFLAGS and LDFLAGS unchanged, and have the GCC compiler > driver sort out which flags to pass to the compiler/assembler/linker? $ libtool --mode=compile --help [snip] This

Re: Recommended way to pass CFLAGS/LDFLAGS through libtool

2018-04-09 Thread Florian Weimer
On 04/09/2018 10:59 AM, Florian Weimer wrote: Is there a recommend way to get libtool to pass through all flags specified in CFLAGS and LDFLAGS unchanged, and have the GCC compiler driver sort out which flags to pass to the compiler/assembler/linker? Never mind, I found the old thread again:

Re: DNSSEC, DoH, dnscrypt-proxy 1 vs 2

2018-04-09 Thread Tom Hughes
On 09/04/18 09:54, Matthias Runge wrote: On Mon, Apr 09, 2018 at 10:01:21AM +0200, Martin Sehnoutka wrote: Restarted Firefox and then also the whole laptop. Doesn't work. But then I'm in Fedora 28 so it may be a bug. Anyway, getting this to work for me isn't really the point of the thread. I'm w

Recommended way to pass CFLAGS/LDFLAGS through libtool

2018-04-09 Thread Florian Weimer
Is there a recommend way to get libtool to pass through all flags specified in CFLAGS and LDFLAGS unchanged, and have the GCC compiler driver sort out which flags to pass to the compiler/assembler/linker? Thanks, Florian ___ devel mailing list -- deve

Re: DNSSEC, DoH, dnscrypt-proxy 1 vs 2

2018-04-09 Thread Matthias Runge
On Mon, Apr 09, 2018 at 10:01:21AM +0200, Martin Sehnoutka wrote: > > Restarted Firefox and then also the whole laptop. Doesn't work. But > > then I'm in Fedora 28 so it may be a bug. Anyway, getting this to work > > for me isn't really the point of the thread. I'm wondering about > > something tha

Re: Upcoming gdouros-*-fonts license change and subsequent complications

2018-04-09 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
Le 2018-04-08 10:11, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek a écrit : Nothing is set in stone yet, but some time soon he is going to upload a whole new license text (hopefully in English), probably something custom-made. Try to point it to the OFL and its FAQ, it has been created exactly for this purpos

Re: Upcoming gdouros-*-fonts license change and subsequent complications

2018-04-09 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
Le 2018-04-08 14:55, Alexander Ploumistos a écrit : My concern is if he can retroactively apply the new license to the older versions of the fonts. Is this a valid concern or is it not how licensing works? Legally, he can’t. We can ship existing fonts forever, however having an hostile upstre

Re: DNSSEC, DoH, dnscrypt-proxy 1 vs 2

2018-04-09 Thread Martin Sehnoutka
On 04/09/2018 02:07 AM, Chris Murphy wrote: > On Sun, Apr 8, 2018 at 4:59 PM, Dominik 'Rathann' Mierzejewski > wrote: >> On Monday, 09 April 2018 at 00:52, Chris Murphy wrote: >> [...] >>> [chris@f28h ~]$ dnssec-trigger-control status >>> at 2018-04-08 16:46:45 >>> cache 75.75.76.76: OK >>> cach

Re: release-monitoring is telling me it has noticed (new) ceph-13.0.x

2018-04-09 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
Le 2018-04-05 17:00, Tom Hughes a écrit : On 05/04/18 15:50, Kaleb S. KEITHLEY wrote: according to https://release-monitoring.org/project/267/ But the Homepage: in the above and the Source: in the .spec would seem to be saying that http://download.ceph.com/tarballs/ is where the-new-hotness is

Fedora-Atomic 27-20180409.0 compose check report

2018-04-09 Thread Fedora compose checker
No missing expected images. Passed openQA tests: 2/2 (x86_64) -- Mail generated by check-compose: https://pagure.io/fedora-qa/check-compose ___ devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to devel-le...@lists.fedorap

Re: Intent to orphan Python 2

2018-04-09 Thread Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek
On Mon, Apr 09, 2018 at 12:55:04AM -0500, Jason L Tibbitts III wrote: > > "ZJ" == Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek writes: > > ZJ> Please don't. This is a repeat of the original idea of having > ZJ> separate python3 packages back when python3 was being > ZJ> introduced. > > It seems that you are

Re: Upcoming gdouros-*-fonts license change and subsequent complications

2018-04-09 Thread Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek
On Sun, Apr 08, 2018 at 11:58:29PM +0200, Alexander Ploumistos wrote: > On Sun, Apr 8, 2018 at 8:30 PM, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek > wrote: > > On Sun, Apr 08, 2018 at 02:55:49PM +0200, Alexander Ploumistos wrote: > >> My concern is if he can retroactively apply the new license to the > >> older