unorphaning ladspa-swh-plugins

2019-08-27 Thread Guido Aulisi
I'd like to take ownership of orphaned ladspa-swh-plugins package, because it's needed by some other packages I maintain. For some reason I missed the orphaning announcement, I'm sorry for that. What are the next steps to unorphan it? Thanks. FAS account: tartina Ciao Guido ___

Re: Fedora Workstation and disabled by default firewall

2019-08-27 Thread John Harris
On Tuesday, August 27, 2019 10:03:51 PM MST Chris Murphy wrote: > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Workstation/Technical_Specification > > The discussion and decision to not include firewall-config (GUI > configuration application for firewalld) by default, five years ago > https://lists.fedoraproje

Re: Fedora Workstation and disabled by default firewall

2019-08-27 Thread Adam Williamson
On Tue, 2019-08-27 at 17:11 -0700, John Harris wrote: > Workstation ships with sshd enabled by default, unless something has changed. It doesn't. This was definitely a conscious decision related to the firewall policy. See /usr/lib/systemd/system-preset/80-workstation.preset , where sshd is explic

Re: Fedora Workstation and disabled by default firewall

2019-08-27 Thread Chris Murphy
On Tue, Aug 27, 2019 at 10:26 PM Christopher wrote: > > On Tue, Aug 27, 2019 at 9:27 PM Chris Murphy wrote: > > > The Workstation technical specification document says in part: > > Where is the full technical specification document, so one can read it > not in part, but in full? https://fedorapr

Re: Fedora Workstation and disabled by default firewall

2019-08-27 Thread Christopher
On Tue, Aug 27, 2019 at 9:27 PM Chris Murphy wrote: > > On Tue, Aug 27, 2019 at 6:23 PM John Harris wrote: > > > > sshd was enabled by default back in F23, unless my install was completely > > broken. I wouldn't remember that well, unfortunately, as I've been running > > KDE > > since the end of

Re: New release of Mock (fixes and subscription-manager support)

2019-08-27 Thread Nico Kadel-Garcia
On Tue, Aug 27, 2019 at 10:20 AM Miroslav Suchý wrote: > > Hi, > I released new version of Mock and mock-core-configs. For full release notes > see: > https://github.com/rpm-software-management/mock/wiki/Release-Notes-1.4.18 > I just submitted packages to Bodhi. > > I would like to point two th

Re: Fedora Workstation and disabled by default firewall

2019-08-27 Thread Tony Nelson
On 19-08-27 19:58:15, Chris Murphy wrote: ... I definitely do not want to pester developers, or make their day to day life difficult. If there's no satisfactory GUI right now to manage it, it's difficult to even experiment with different policies. The original firewalld proposal considered the g

Re: HyperKitty as a Discourse Replacement - Why still no RSS Support

2019-08-27 Thread Gerald B. Cox
Google John, Google is your friend... ;-) https://wiki.list.org/DEV/ModernArchiving On Tue, Aug 27, 2019 at 10:32 PM John Harris wrote: > On Tuesday, August 27, 2019 6:27:49 PM MST Gerald B. Cox wrote: > > Don't know what to tell you... it was a planned feature for Mailman 3, > and > > it is me

Re: HyperKitty as a Discourse Replacement - Why still no RSS Support

2019-08-27 Thread John Harris
On Tuesday, August 27, 2019 6:27:49 PM MST Gerald B. Cox wrote: > Don't know what to tell you... it was a planned feature for Mailman 3, and > it is mentioned here: > https://gitlab.com/mailman/hyperkitty/issues/51 What leads you to believe this was a planned feature? -- John M. Harris, Jr. Spl

Re: HyperKitty as a Discourse Replacement - Why still no RSS Support

2019-08-27 Thread Gerald B. Cox
Don't know what to tell you... it was a planned feature for Mailman 3, and it is mentioned here: https://gitlab.com/mailman/hyperkitty/issues/51 On Tue, Aug 27, 2019 at 10:23 PM John Harris wrote: > On Tuesday, August 27, 2019 6:20:57 PM MST Gerald B. Cox wrote: > > Well, there is an open ticket

Re: Fedora Workstation and disabled by default firewall

2019-08-27 Thread Chris Murphy
On Tue, Aug 27, 2019 at 6:23 PM John Harris wrote: > > sshd was enabled by default back in F23, unless my install was completely > broken. I wouldn't remember that well, unfortunately, as I've been running KDE > since the end of the F24 release cycle. I don't think so. * Fri Mar 13 2015 Dennis Gi

Re: HyperKitty as a Discourse Replacement - Why still no RSS Support

2019-08-27 Thread John Harris
On Tuesday, August 27, 2019 6:20:57 PM MST Gerald B. Cox wrote: > Well, there is an open ticket to do just that - apparently some people have > a bigger imagination. ;-) > > On Tue, Aug 27, 2019 at 10:08 PM John Harris wrote: > > On Tuesday, August 27, 2019 5:43:54 PM MST Gerald B. Cox wrote: >

Re: HyperKitty as a Discourse Replacement - Why still no RSS Support

2019-08-27 Thread Gerald B. Cox
On Tue, Aug 27, 2019 at 10:20 PM Gerald B. Cox wrote: > Well, there is an open ticket to do just that - apparently some people > have a bigger imagination. ;-) > > On Tue, Aug 27, 2019 at 10:08 PM John Harris wrote: > >> On Tuesday, August 27, 2019 5:43:54 PM MST Gerald B. Cox wrote: >> > > On

Re: HyperKitty as a Discourse Replacement - Why still no RSS Support

2019-08-27 Thread Gerald B. Cox
Well, there is an open ticket to do just that - apparently some people have a bigger imagination. ;-) On Tue, Aug 27, 2019 at 10:08 PM John Harris wrote: > On Tuesday, August 27, 2019 5:43:54 PM MST Gerald B. Cox wrote: > > > On Tuesday, August 27, 2019 5:02:36 PM MST Gerald B. Cox wrote: > > >

Re: HyperKitty as a Discourse Replacement - Why still no RSS Support

2019-08-27 Thread John Harris
On Tuesday, August 27, 2019 5:43:54 PM MST Gerald B. Cox wrote: > > On Tuesday, August 27, 2019 5:02:36 PM MST Gerald B. Cox wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > You could also just use NNTP, which wouldn't require you to have anything > > in your mailbox. Then you can reply from the same client,

Re: No longer supporting mailing lists:

2019-08-27 Thread John Harris
On Tuesday, August 27, 2019 6:03:37 PM MST Gerald B. Cox wrote: > Show what? Sorry, I don't know what your talking about. Have you ever > used RSS? When you subscribe to a feed, you get the article... in this > case it would be the email in HyperKitty. When you click on the title, it > opens u

Re: No longer supporting mailing lists:

2019-08-27 Thread Gerald B. Cox
Show what? Sorry, I don't know what your talking about. Have you ever used RSS? When you subscribe to a feed, you get the article... in this case it would be the email in HyperKitty. When you click on the title, it opens up the sourced article on the web. In this case it would be the email wi

Re: No longer supporting mailing lists:

2019-08-27 Thread John Harris
On Tuesday, August 27, 2019 5:58:11 PM MST Gerald B. Cox wrote: > > On Tuesday, August 27, 2019 5:36:58 PM MST Gerald B. Cox wrote: > > > > How exactly do your RSS feedreaders handle threading? > > Don't you mean how HyperKitty will handle it? I won't be responding from my > Feedreader, I would

Re: No longer supporting mailing lists:

2019-08-27 Thread Gerald B. Cox
> On Tuesday, August 27, 2019 5:36:58 PM MST Gerald B. Cox wrote: > > How exactly do your RSS feedreaders handle threading? Don't you mean how HyperKitty will handle it? I won't be responding from my Feedreader, I would be reading the contents from the feed, and if I was interested in replying,

Re: [Test-Announce] Fedora 31 Beta Freeze

2019-08-27 Thread Kevin Fenzi
On 8/27/19 4:27 AM, Miro Hrončok wrote: > On 27. 08. 19 13:06, Paul Howarth wrote: >> On Mon, 26 Aug 2019 20:55:18 -0400 >> Mohan Boddu wrote: >> >>> Hi all, >>> >>> Today's an important day on the Fedora 31 schedule[1], with several >>> significant cut-offs. First of all today is >>> the Bodhi ac

Re: HyperKitty as a Discourse Replacement - Why still no RSS Support

2019-08-27 Thread Gerald B. Cox
> On Tuesday, August 27, 2019 5:02:36 PM MST Gerald B. Cox wrote: > > > > You could also just use NNTP, which wouldn't require you to have anything in > your mailbox. Then you can reply from the same client, as well :) Yeah, Kevin mentioned NNTP also... but as I mentioned to him I haven't use

Re: No longer supporting mailing lists:

2019-08-27 Thread John Harris
On Tuesday, August 27, 2019 5:36:58 PM MST Gerald B. Cox wrote: > Hey Kevin: > > > > Gerald B. Cox wrote: > > > > If the plan is to replace mailing lists with something that cannot even > > provide the same functionality, that is unreasonable and isn't going to > > happen. > > > > > > But yo

Re: No longer supporting mailing lists:

2019-08-27 Thread Gerald B. Cox
> On 8/27/19 11:00 AM, Gerald B. Cox wrote: > > Would your concerns be addressed if tjere was a gateway from this email > list to Discord? Would something simple that just stores each email in a > separate Discord item work, and if not, why? > > BTW, is there a gateway of this sort already some

Re: No longer supporting mailing lists:

2019-08-27 Thread Gerald B. Cox
Hey Kevin: > Gerald B. Cox wrote: > > If the plan is to replace mailing lists with something that cannot even > provide the same functionality, that is unreasonable and isn't going to > happen. > > > But you are assuming that we actually WANT to migrate, which is NOT the > case. > LOL

Re: [Test-Announce] Fedora 31 Beta Freeze

2019-08-27 Thread Kevin Kofler
Vít Ondruch wrote: > I think that all the major milestones happen typically on Tuesday, so > this must have been (unfortunate) typo IMO. But the point is that this was corrected less than 24 hours before the freeze kicks in. This is a completely unacceptably short notice. It is already bad enoug

Re: Fedora Workstation and disabled by default firewall

2019-08-27 Thread John Harris
On Tuesday, August 27, 2019 5:15:52 PM MST Chris Murphy wrote: > > > That actually isn't clear at all. And I am the end user and sysadmin. > > > I'm at home, I have my own AP, but none of the equipment is under my > > > direct control, it's centrally managed by a company I don't even pay. > > > So,

Re: Fedora Workstation and disabled by default firewall

2019-08-27 Thread John Harris
On Tuesday, August 27, 2019 4:58:15 PM MST Chris Murphy wrote: > On Tue, Aug 27, 2019 at 5:02 PM Adam Williamson > wrote: > > > > > > > However, Fedora Workstation is an edition. Which means it has a > > *policy-defined* target audience. That target audience is defined here: > > https://fedorapro

Re: No longer supporting mailing lists:

2019-08-27 Thread Kevin Kofler
Gerald B. Cox wrote: > If the requirement is that discourse completely replicate 100% the > functionality of mailing lists, that is unreasonable and isn't going to > happen. If the plan is to replace mailing lists with something that cannot even provide the same functionality, that is unreasonabl

Re: Fedora Workstation and disabled by default firewall

2019-08-27 Thread Chris Murphy
> > That actually isn't clear at all. And I am the end user and sysadmin. > > I'm at home, I have my own AP, but none of the equipment is under my > > direct control, it's centrally managed by a company I don't even pay. > > So, is it trustworthy? Maybe. Maybe not. I have no practical way of > > kn

Re: Fedora Workstation and disabled by default firewall

2019-08-27 Thread John Harris
On Tuesday, August 27, 2019 4:49:03 PM MST Japheth Cleaver wrote: > On 8/27/2019 4:01 PM, Adam Williamson wrote: > > > On Tue, 2019-08-27 at 15:06 +0200, Jiri Eischmann wrote: > > > >> mcatanz...@gnome.org píše v Út 27. 08. 2019 v 15:07 +0300: > >> > >>> On Tue, Aug 27, 2019 at 4:22 AM, John Har

Re: Fedora Workstation and disabled by default firewall

2019-08-27 Thread John Harris
On Tuesday, August 27, 2019 5:05:57 PM MST Chris Murphy wrote: > On Tue, Aug 27, 2019 at 5:24 PM John Harris wrote: > > > > > > > On Tuesday, August 27, 2019 8:23:01 AM MST Chris Murphy wrote: > > > > > > Windows is enable by default with two "zones" or "policies" (I can't > > > even tell from

Re: Fedora Workstation and disabled by default firewall

2019-08-27 Thread Chris Murphy
On Tue, Aug 27, 2019 at 5:30 PM John Harris wrote: > > On Tuesday, August 27, 2019 8:23:01 AM MST Chris Murphy wrote: > > The firewall on macOS is disabled by default. Therefore I can't agree > > with any assessment that Fedora Workstation is, on this point alone, > > in some sort of vulnerable st

Re: HyperKitty as a Discourse Replacement - Why still no RSS Support

2019-08-27 Thread John Harris
On Tuesday, August 27, 2019 5:02:36 PM MST Gerald B. Cox wrote: > People keep mentioning HyperKitty as an alternative to Discourse. While I > believe Discourse has more functionality, one thing that would make > HyperKitty a somewhat acceptable alternative would be the addition of RSS > support.

Re: Fedora Workstation and disabled by default firewall

2019-08-27 Thread Chris Murphy
On Tue, Aug 27, 2019 at 5:24 PM John Harris wrote: > > On Tuesday, August 27, 2019 8:23:01 AM MST Chris Murphy wrote: > > Windows is enable by default with two "zones" or "policies" (I can't > > even tell from their own UI what to call this), one for private > > networks, and another for guest/pu

HyperKitty as a Discourse Replacement - Why still no RSS Support

2019-08-27 Thread Gerald B. Cox
People keep mentioning HyperKitty as an alternative to Discourse. While I believe Discourse has more functionality, one thing that would make HyperKitty a somewhat acceptable alternative would be the addition of RSS support. So I started to investigate and found that several tickets were opene

Re: Fedora Workstation and disabled by default firewall

2019-08-27 Thread Chris Murphy
On Tue, Aug 27, 2019 at 5:02 PM Adam Williamson wrote: > > However, Fedora Workstation is an edition. Which means it has a > *policy-defined* target audience. That target audience is defined here: > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Workstation/Workstation_PRD#Target_Audience > > Case 1: "Engineering

Re: Fedora Workstation and disabled by default firewall

2019-08-27 Thread Japheth Cleaver
On 8/27/2019 4:01 PM, Adam Williamson wrote: On Tue, 2019-08-27 at 15:06 +0200, Jiri Eischmann wrote: mcatanz...@gnome.org píše v Út 27. 08. 2019 v 15:07 +0300: On Tue, Aug 27, 2019 at 4:22 AM, John Harris wrote: No, that is not how this works, at all. First, let's go ahead and address the id

Re: Fedora Workstation and disabled by default firewall

2019-08-27 Thread Luya Tshimbalanga
MacOS has firewall disabled by default on every iteration. Luya On 2019-08-27 4:23 p.m., John Harris wrote: > On Tuesday, August 27, 2019 8:23:01 AM MST Chris Murphy wrote: >> On Tue, Aug > 27, 2019 at 6:22 AM Neal Gompa wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> The other major non-Linux operating systems do. Both

Re: Fedora Workstation and disabled by default firewall

2019-08-27 Thread John Harris
On Tuesday, August 27, 2019 8:23:01 AM MST Chris Murphy wrote: > The firewall on macOS is disabled by default. Therefore I can't agree > with any assessment that Fedora Workstation is, on this point alone, > in some sort of vulnerable state outside that of macOS. Talked to a coworker, who is a hea

Re: Fedora Workstation and disabled by default firewall

2019-08-27 Thread John Harris
On Tuesday, August 27, 2019 8:23:01 AM MST Chris Murphy wrote: > On Tue, Aug 27, 2019 at 6:22 AM Neal Gompa wrote: > > > > > > > The other major non-Linux operating systems do. Both Microsoft Windows > > and Apple macOS ship with active firewalls by default. > > > The firewall on macOS is disab

Re: [HEADS-UP]: Mercurial with Python3 on rawhide?

2019-08-27 Thread Petr Stodulka
Hi guys, I apologize that I mystified you a little in my prefious email when I wrote that I resolved majority of problems. I looked at that closer today after 1.5w and found that I have been near the start of all troubles. My memory just washed that pain out. So I spend some time around and final

Re: Fedora Workstation and disabled by default firewall

2019-08-27 Thread John Harris
On Tuesday, August 27, 2019 8:04:46 AM MST Louis Lagendijk wrote: > On Tue, 2019-08-27 at 10:14 -0400, Robert Marcano wrote: > > > On 8/27/19 10:03 AM, John Harris wrote: > > > > > > > > > Any new Wifi connection could be identified by their SSID, so it > > could > > still be secure by default

Re: Fedora Workstation and disabled by default firewall

2019-08-27 Thread John Harris
On Tuesday, August 27, 2019 9:59:23 AM MST David Kaufmann wrote: > I'm not trying to recommend it, this is already done, e.g. for mdns, > samba-client, or ssh. (To be fair that happens on os install, not > necessarily on package install) > I'm trying to list the problems with those options. There

Re: Fedora Workstation and disabled by default firewall

2019-08-27 Thread John Harris
On Tuesday, August 27, 2019 10:09:12 AM MST Stephen John Smoogen wrote: > On Tue, 27 Aug 2019 at 13:01, Vitaly Zaitsev via devel > wrote: > > > > > > > On 27.08.2019 18:14, Björn Persson wrote: > > > > > If it could come from anywhere, then we must assume that it's > > > malicious. > > > You exe

Re: Fedora Workstation and disabled by default firewall

2019-08-27 Thread John Harris
I'm not sure why this isn't clear, but the examples that I provided are far from the only aspects, and I notice you're only addressing the ones that require the user to manually run something. Consider this. Our default ssh config, under your firewall config, would allow any system on any netwo

Re: Fedora Workstation and disabled by default firewall

2019-08-27 Thread Adam Williamson
On Tue, 2019-08-27 at 15:06 +0200, Jiri Eischmann wrote: > mcatanz...@gnome.org píše v Út 27. 08. 2019 v 15:07 +0300: > > On Tue, Aug 27, 2019 at 4:22 AM, John Harris > > wrote: > > > No, that is not how this works, at all. First, let's go ahead and > > > address the > > > idea that "if the firew

Re: Fedora Workstation and disabled by default firewall

2019-08-27 Thread Chris Murphy
On Tue, Aug 27, 2019 at 4:54 PM John Harris wrote: > > On Tuesday, August 27, 2019 9:14:10 AM MST Björn Persson wrote: > > John Harris wrote: > > >On Tuesday, August 27, 2019 5:36:20 AM MST Björn Persson wrote: > > >> Please elaborate. Where does the script come from, what exactly happens > > >> b

Re: Fedora Workstation and disabled by default firewall

2019-08-27 Thread John Harris
On Tuesday, August 27, 2019 9:14:10 AM MST Björn Persson wrote: > John Harris wrote: > >On Tuesday, August 27, 2019 5:36:20 AM MST Björn Persson wrote: > >> Please elaborate. Where does the script come from, what exactly happens > >> by accident, and how would a packet filter stop it? > > > >It cou

Re: No longer supporting mailing lists:

2019-08-27 Thread John Harris
On Tuesday, August 27, 2019 7:14:45 AM MST Gerald B. Cox wrote: > I would assume you would just use mailing list mode and address > additional recipients. To receive an expert reply I would suggest you ask > the question here: > > https://meta.discourse.org/c/support > > On Tue, Aug 27, 2019 at

Re: No longer supporting mailing lists:

2019-08-27 Thread John Harris
On Tuesday, August 27, 2019 8:02:31 AM MST Gerald B. Cox wrote: > I never said they were. What I said was expecting and requiring Discourse > to 100% replicate everything a mailing list does isn't going to happen and > shouldn't be a requirement. > > On Tue, Aug 27, 2019 at 11:55 AM John Harris

Re: No longer supporting mailing lists:

2019-08-27 Thread John Harris
On Tuesday, August 27, 2019 9:15:16 AM MST Gerald B. Cox wrote: > Yeah, I completely agree - but that wasn't my intention to try to > convince. I would like additional topics that mirror those in the mailing > lists setup on discourse. That way people can use whichever they want. > The one that p

gap-pkg-guava license change

2019-08-27 Thread Jerry James
I am about to build gap-pkg-guava 3.15 in Rawhide. This version changes the license from "GPLv2 or GPLv3" to "GPLv2+", which makes no practical difference at the moment. -- Jerry James http://www.jamezone.org/ ___ devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedor

[HEADS UP] Retiring python2 and introducing python27 later this week

2019-08-27 Thread Miro Hrončok
We are retiring python2 and introducing python27 later this week. Rawhide only. As for now, nothing should break, except python2-debug will exist no more. Packages (build)requiring python2 or python2-devel should continue to work for now. If not, let us know. If you plan to keep a Python 2 pa

Re: Orphaned packages looking for new maintainers

2019-08-27 Thread Ben Rosser
On Mon, Aug 26, 2019 at 4:21 AM Miro Hrončok wrote: > > The following packages are orphaned and will be retired when they > are orphaned for six weeks, unless someone adopts them. If you know for sure > that the package should be retired, please do so now with a proper reason: > https://fedoraproj

Re: No longer supporting mailing lists:

2019-08-27 Thread Neal Gompa
On Tue, Aug 27, 2019 at 2:31 PM Emmanuel Seyman wrote: > > * Pierre-Yves Chibon [26/08/2019 09:44] : > > > > Our recommended solution is to find someone that would maintain the mailman3 > > stack for us. > > Does this have to be mailman3 or can it be a different mailing list manager? > Mailman 3

Re: No longer supporting mailing lists:

2019-08-27 Thread Emmanuel Seyman
* Pierre-Yves Chibon [26/08/2019 09:44] : > > Our recommended solution is to find someone that would maintain the mailman3 > stack for us. Does this have to be mailman3 or can it be a different mailing list manager? Emmanuel ___ devel mailing list -- de

Re: No longer supporting mailing lists:

2019-08-27 Thread Przemek Klosowski
On 8/27/19 11:00 AM, Gerald B. Cox wrote: Why is it when I say that I don't want to clutter up my email with mail from mailing lists I'm told it's a misconfiguration.  It's not a misconfiguration.  I don't want the forum email cluttering up my mail - and I don't want to use an NNTP gateway, I w

Re: Fedora Workstation and disabled by default firewall

2019-08-27 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On Tue, 27 Aug 2019 at 13:01, Vitaly Zaitsev via devel wrote: > > On 27.08.2019 18:14, Björn Persson wrote: > > If it could come from anywhere, then we must assume that it's malicious. > > You executed untrusted code. It's already past your firewall. Game over, > > you're infected. You're closing

Re: Fedora Workstation and disabled by default firewall

2019-08-27 Thread Vitaly Zaitsev via devel
On 27.08.2019 18:14, Björn Persson wrote: > If it could come from anywhere, then we must assume that it's malicious. > You executed untrusted code. It's already past your firewall. Game over, > you're infected. You're closing the stable door after the horse has > bolted. Any application can run ba

Re: Fedora Workstation and disabled by default firewall

2019-08-27 Thread David Kaufmann
On Tue, Aug 27, 2019 at 06:58:06AM -0700, John Harris wrote: > On Tuesday, August 27, 2019 4:37:24 AM MST David Kaufmann wrote: >> Both option have their disadvantages - in the case of "maintainer opens >> ports" the ports are open as soon as the package gets installed, and >> software not run/inst

Re: No longer supporting mailing lists:

2019-08-27 Thread Gerald B. Cox
Yeah, I completely agree - but that wasn't my intention to try to convince. I would like additional topics that mirror those in the mailing lists setup on discourse. That way people can use whichever they want. The one that people prefer will win. Simple as that. On Tue, Aug 27, 2019 at 12:45 P

Re: Fedora Workstation and disabled by default firewall

2019-08-27 Thread Björn Persson
John Harris wrote: >On Tuesday, August 27, 2019 5:36:20 AM MST Björn Persson wrote: >> Please elaborate. Where does the script come from, what exactly happens >> by accident, and how would a packet filter stop it? > >It could come from anywhere, that's not the point. A *firewall* would stop it >

Re: No longer supporting mailing lists:

2019-08-27 Thread Solomon Peachy
On Tue, Aug 27, 2019 at 12:34:40PM -0300, Gerald B. Cox wrote: > I personally don't like them. As the threads increase the discussion > becomes hard to follow... Unlike a non-threaded view of the same discussion, which becomes completely impossible to follow (to say nothing about actual contrib

Re: Fedora Workstation and disabled by default firewall

2019-08-27 Thread Artem Tim
For this who can't change their default zone in firewall after installing Fedora Workstation completely block all ports may result in worse things, like completely turn off firewall, because they can't run their online video games for example and some one always advised them to do this. We reme

Re: No longer supporting mailing lists:

2019-08-27 Thread Markus Larsson
I'm entirely fine with using discourse WHEN it has a functioning mailing list mode. I am not against discourse as such, I am against making changes that forces everyone to consume the information in exactly the same way. Ensure that mailing list mode works in a way that the ones who needs that

Re: No longer supporting mailing lists:

2019-08-27 Thread Dan Book
This conversation is pretty pointless. You are never going to convince other people to like Discourse more than mailing lists, and they are never going to convince you the other direction. -Dan On Tue, Aug 27, 2019 at 11:35 AM Gerald B. Cox wrote: > Here is an interesting discussion on "threade

Re: No longer supporting mailing lists:

2019-08-27 Thread Gerald B. Cox
Here is an interesting discussion on "threaded discussions": https://meta.discourse.org/t/threaded-discussion-is-ultimately-too-complex-to-survive-on-the-public-internet/63172 I personally don't like them. As the threads increase the discussion becomes hard to follow... On Tue, Aug 27, 2019 at 1

Re: No longer supporting mailing lists:

2019-08-27 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On Tue, 27 Aug 2019 at 11:01, Gerald B. Cox wrote: > > Why is it when I say that I don't want to clutter up my email with mail from > mailing lists I'm told it's a misconfiguration. It's not a misconfiguration. > I don't want the forum email cluttering up my mail - and I don't want to use > a

Re: Fedora Workstation and disabled by default firewall

2019-08-27 Thread Chris Murphy
On Tue, Aug 27, 2019 at 6:22 AM Neal Gompa wrote: > > The other major non-Linux operating systems do. Both Microsoft Windows > and Apple macOS ship with active firewalls by default. The firewall on macOS is disabled by default. Therefore I can't agree with any assessment that Fedora Workstation i

Re: No longer supporting mailing lists:

2019-08-27 Thread Louis Lagendijk
On Tue, 2019-08-27 at 12:00 -0300, Gerald B. Cox wrote: > Why is it when I say that I don't want to clutter up my email with > mail from mailing lists I'm told it's a misconfiguration. It's not a > misconfiguration. I don't want the forum email cluttering up my mail > - and I don't want to use an

Re: Fedora Workstation and disabled by default firewall

2019-08-27 Thread Jiri Eischmann
Iñaki Ucar píše v Út 27. 08. 2019 v 16:17 +0200: > On Tue, 27 Aug 2019 at 14:20, wrote: > > The main competitor of Fedora Workstation is Ubuntu. Ubuntu ships > > without a firewall enabled and nobody considers this a critical > > vulnerability. Now: why is that...? > > 1. Ubuntu Server ships with

Re: New release of Mock (fixes and subscription-manager support)

2019-08-27 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On Tue, 27 Aug 2019 at 10:20, Miroslav Suchý wrote: > > Hi, > I released new version of Mock and mock-core-configs. For full release notes > see: > https://github.com/rpm-software-management/mock/wiki/Release-Notes-1.4.18 > I just submitted packages to Bodhi. > > I would like to point two thing

Re: Fedora Workstation and disabled by default firewall

2019-08-27 Thread Louis Lagendijk
On Tue, 2019-08-27 at 10:14 -0400, Robert Marcano wrote: > On 8/27/19 10:03 AM, John Harris wrote: > > > Any new Wifi connection could be identified by their SSID, so it > could > still be secure by default and ask for that specific connection to > be > opened because you trust them. As I propos

Re: No longer supporting mailing lists:

2019-08-27 Thread Gerald B. Cox
I never said they were. What I said was expecting and requiring Discourse to 100% replicate everything a mailing list does isn't going to happen and shouldn't be a requirement. On Tue, Aug 27, 2019 at 11:55 AM John Harris wrote: > On Tuesday, August 27, 2019 7:29:28 AM MST Gerald B. Cox wrote:

Re: No longer supporting mailing lists:

2019-08-27 Thread Gerald B. Cox
Why is it when I say that I don't want to clutter up my email with mail from mailing lists I'm told it's a misconfiguration. It's not a misconfiguration. I don't want the forum email cluttering up my mail - and I don't want to use an NNTP gateway, I want to use Discourse. Why is that so hard to

[Fedocal] Reminder meeting : Minimization Team Meeting

2019-08-27 Thread asamalik
Dear all, You are kindly invited to the meeting: Minimization Team Meeting on 2019-08-28 from 15:00:00 to 16:00:00 GMT At fedora-meetin...@irc.freenode.net The meeting will be about: Meeting of the Fedora Minimization Team Source: https://apps.fedoraproject.org/calendar/meeting/9598/ __

Re: Fedora Workstation and disabled by default firewall

2019-08-27 Thread Iñaki Ucar
On Tue, 27 Aug 2019 at 15:17, Iñaki Ucar wrote: > > Windows shows a pop-up. To be fair, I've just checked and Windows 10 doesn't show a pop-up; better than that: when you (enter the password and) hit "connect", it asks there whether it's a private network and you want to share resources, yes or n

Re: No longer supporting mailing lists:

2019-08-27 Thread John Harris
On Tuesday, August 27, 2019 7:29:28 AM MST Gerald B. Cox wrote: > I understand there isn't going to be 100% feature parity, but it should be > good enough - and if it isn't we should be working with the Discourse > people to improve it rather than just using it as an excuse to not moving > forward.

Re: No longer supporting mailing lists:

2019-08-27 Thread John Harris
On Tuesday, August 27, 2019 7:29:28 AM MST Gerald B. Cox wrote: > Using mail, I have to access the archives to read the full thread. This is just due to your configuration. You could easily either save the mailing list to your mailbox, or use an NNTP gateway. -- John M. Harris, Jr. Splentity

Re: Fedora Workstation and disabled by default firewall

2019-08-27 Thread John Harris
On Tuesday, August 27, 2019 7:14:20 AM MST Robert Marcano wrote: > On 8/27/19 10:03 AM, John Harris wrote: > > > On Tuesday, August 27, 2019 5:35:08 AM MST Robert Marcano wrote: > > > >> On 8/27/19 8:18 AM, mcatanz...@gnome.org wrote: > >> > >> > >> > >>> On Tue, Aug 27, 2019 at 2:37 PM, Iñaki Uc

Re: Orphaned packages looking for new maintainers

2019-08-27 Thread Dridi Boukelmoune
On Tue, Aug 27, 2019 at 11:33 AM Stephen Gallagher wrote: > > On Mon, Aug 26, 2019 at 4:21 AM Miro Hrončok wrote: > > > > The following packages are orphaned and will be retired when they > > are orphaned for six weeks, unless someone adopts them. If you know for sure > > that the package should

Re: No longer supporting mailing lists:

2019-08-27 Thread Markus Larsson
On 27 August 2019 16:29:28 CEST, "Gerald B. Cox" wrote: >Thanks for the offer, but no thanks. My point is I don't like using >email >for forum discussions. The only reason I'm using it here is that I'm >being >forced to because "Development Discussions", "KDE Discussions" and >"Packaging Discu

Re: No longer supporting mailing lists:

2019-08-27 Thread Dominik 'Rathann' Mierzejewski
On Tuesday, 27 August 2019 at 03:38, John Harris wrote: > On Monday, August 26, 2019 4:54:09 AM MST Markus Larsson wrote: > > It seems that the only thing in that link that has merit in regards to this > > list is that discourse allow editing of messages that has been sent. Which I'd consider a mi

Re: No longer supporting mailing lists:

2019-08-27 Thread Gerald B. Cox
Thanks for the offer, but no thanks. My point is I don't like using email for forum discussions. The only reason I'm using it here is that I'm being forced to because "Development Discussions", "KDE Discussions" and "Packaging Discussions" aren't available on the Discourse Fedora instance. As I m

New release of Mock (fixes and subscription-manager support)

2019-08-27 Thread Miroslav Suchý
Hi, I released new version of Mock and mock-core-configs. For full release notes see: https://github.com/rpm-software-management/mock/wiki/Release-Notes-1.4.18 I just submitted packages to Bodhi. I would like to point two things here: 1) It should fixes all those issues you reported in past da

Re: Fedora Workstation and disabled by default firewall

2019-08-27 Thread Iñaki Ucar
On Tue, 27 Aug 2019 at 14:20, wrote: > > The main competitor of Fedora Workstation is Ubuntu. Ubuntu ships without a > firewall enabled and nobody considers this a critical vulnerability. Now: why > is that...? 1. Ubuntu Server ships without a firewall enabled. Do you think that's a good policy

Re: No longer supporting mailing lists:

2019-08-27 Thread Gerald B. Cox
I would assume you would just use mailing list mode and address additional recipients. To receive an expert reply I would suggest you ask the question here: https://meta.discourse.org/c/support On Tue, Aug 27, 2019 at 10:54 AM Julen Landa Alustiza < jla...@fedoraproject.org> wrote: > I'm curiou

Re: Fedora Workstation and disabled by default firewall

2019-08-27 Thread Robert Marcano
On 8/27/19 10:03 AM, John Harris wrote: On Tuesday, August 27, 2019 5:35:08 AM MST Robert Marcano wrote: On 8/27/19 8:18 AM, mcatanz...@gnome.org wrote: On Tue, Aug 27, 2019 at 2:37 PM, Iñaki Ucar wrote: There's no need to write "a new style of firewall". It would be as easy as asking the

Re: Fedora Workstation and disabled by default firewall

2019-08-27 Thread John Harris
On Tuesday, August 27, 2019 7:06:31 AM MST Ryan Walklin wrote: > > > On Tue, Aug 27, 2019 at 4:22 AM, John Harris > > > > > > > That port numbers are now "technical details" is fairly concerning, and I > > > > can't imagine why you think users shouldn't be able to configure their > > firewal

Re: No longer supporting mailing lists:

2019-08-27 Thread John Harris
On Tuesday, August 27, 2019 6:53:08 AM MST Julen Landa Alustiza wrote: > I'm curious about discourse's options here... > > Is quite common on our workflows to have mailing threads that targets a > couple of fedora mailing list, another outside mailing list and some third > party individuals when w

Re: Fedora Workstation and disabled by default firewall

2019-08-27 Thread Ryan Walklin
> > On Tue, Aug 27, 2019 at 4:22 AM, John Harris > > That port numbers are now "technical details" is fairly concerning, and I > can't imagine why you think users shouldn't be able to configure their > firewall. You realize we have a GTK firewall configuration program? > > Right now, the ave

Re: No longer supporting mailing lists:

2019-08-27 Thread Ankur Sinha
On Tue, Aug 27, 2019 05:23:48 -0700, Gerald B. Cox wrote: > > > A key comment was:  "Our site is still quite busy, although some people are > still grumbling about the change, 8 months later. The die-hard email users are > still able to participate, which came as a bit of a pleasant shock to them

Re: Fedora Workstation and disabled by default firewall

2019-08-27 Thread John Harris
On Tuesday, August 27, 2019 5:35:08 AM MST Robert Marcano wrote: > On 8/27/19 8:18 AM, mcatanz...@gnome.org wrote: > > > On Tue, Aug 27, 2019 at 2:37 PM, Iñaki Ucar > > wrote: > > >> There's no need to write "a new style of firewall". It would be as > >> easy as asking the user once whether a n

Re: Fedora Workstation and disabled by default firewall

2019-08-27 Thread John Harris
On Tuesday, August 27, 2019 5:06:32 AM MST mcatanz...@gnome.org wrote: > On Tue, Aug 27, 2019 at 4:23 AM, John Harris > > wrote: > > At least in KDE, possibly not in GNOME as it lacks many of the > > features > > available in KDE, you can specify the zone of the connection in your > > NetworkMana

Re: Fedora Workstation and disabled by default firewall

2019-08-27 Thread John Harris
On Tuesday, August 27, 2019 5:10:28 AM MST mcatanz...@gnome.org wrote: > On Tue, Aug 27, 2019 at 11:14 AM, John Harris > > wrote: > > Please consider the security aspect of this. This is a critical > > vulnerability. > > Please, don't make us look like the Linux Mint folks. If Workstation > > is

Re: Fedora Workstation and disabled by default firewall

2019-08-27 Thread John Harris
On Tuesday, August 27, 2019 4:37:24 AM MST David Kaufmann wrote: > Both option have their disadvantages - in the case of "maintainer opens > ports" the ports are open as soon as the package gets installed, and > software not run/installed via package manager will give the impression > of "just not

Re: Fedora Workstation and disabled by default firewall

2019-08-27 Thread John Harris
On Tuesday, August 27, 2019 6:06:24 AM MST Jiri Eischmann wrote: > mcatanz...@gnome.org píše v Út 27. 08. 2019 v 15:07 +0300: > > > On Tue, Aug 27, 2019 at 4:22 AM, John Harris > > wrote: > > > > > No, that is not how this works, at all. First, let's go ahead and > > > address the > > > idea th

Re: No longer supporting mailing lists:

2019-08-27 Thread Julen Landa Alustiza
I'm curious about discourse's options here... Is quite common on our workflows to have mailing threads that targets a couple of fedora mailing list, another outside mailing list and some third party individuals when we discuss about an specific feature. The xen criteria one for example, it had

Re: Fedora Workstation and disabled by default firewall

2019-08-27 Thread John Harris
On Tuesday, August 27, 2019 5:07:39 AM MST mcatanz...@gnome.org wrote: > On Tue, Aug 27, 2019 at 4:22 AM, John Harris > > wrote: > > No, that is not how this works, at all. First, let's go ahead and > > address the > > idea that "if the firewall blocks it, the app breaks, so it's the > > firewall

Re: Fedora Workstation and disabled by default firewall

2019-08-27 Thread John Harris
On Tuesday, August 27, 2019 5:36:20 AM MST Björn Persson wrote: > Please elaborate. Where does the script come from, what exactly happens > by accident, and how would a packet filter stop it? It could come from anywhere, that's not the point. A *firewall* would stop it from doing anything too har

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