efore the domain is released for
registration. Let's just not make it so tight that a little unscheduled
downtime can open an attack window.
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step 3. That way the Fedora Project could reliably prevent this kind of
attack.
I hope this explanation is clear enough to be understood. In case of
TL;DR, the short version is four posts upthread from here.
So, does step 3 exist?
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Vitaly Zaitsev via devel wrote:
> On 15/02/2022 19:43, Björn Persson wrote:
> > The packager would then be required to authenticate with their existing
> > credentials – or prove their identity in some way that does not rely on
> > ownership of the email address – and set a
ddress – and set a new email address in their
account. Entering the old email address again would be allowed, in case
they have recovered the domain, but they would have to prove that they
can receive a confirmation message regardless of whether the new address
is the same as the old a
Ben Cotton wrote:
> I would support removing the 113 who don't exist in Koji.
If they have been that way for a long time, I suppose. Don't cause
additional hurdles for newcomers just because their first review takes
a while.
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Thus an open Bugzilla ticket is no indication
that the package is unmaintained. You need to check what version is
actually in Rawhide.
If the Bugzilla tickets should in fact not be left open, then they
should be automatically closed just like they're automatically opened.
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https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2041667
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Miroslav Suchý wrote:
> $ license-validate-v'GPL or (MIT and BSD)'
> No terminal defined for 'G' at line 1 col 1
Approximately nobody will understand "No terminal defined for 'G'". Can
the error message be improved?
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> or similar, please make sure that you install those libraries too if
> appropriate.
Was "not" supposed to be "now"? Otherwise these statements don't make
sense together.
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oot entry for the rescue mode, then maybe Grub
could be programmed to require a passphrase before it will boot that
entry?
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this case, Grub should also by default require root's or a wheel
user's passphrase before boot parameters can be changed. That is
consistent.
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Chris Adams wrote:
> Once upon a time, Björn Persson said:
> > Chris Adams wrote:
> > > If the admin has done one thing to lock down the system, then they can
> > > do another (removing the sulogin --force addition).
> >
> > How do you propose to ens
in this new
release of this particular distribution they need to run this special
command to prevent boot problems from granting root access to whoever
can type on the keyboard.
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this change is
authorized? Do I disable FS-verity for that specific file? Disable
FS-verity globally? Add my own key to the kernel's keyring? Build and
sign my own RPM package?
What prevents an attacker from doing the same?
Will files under /etc be covered, or will local configuration still be
possi
and BTRFS, not clouds or devops. But the licensing
situation makes ZFS painful, and BTRFS seems to take forever to mature,
so it should be expected that many people will choose software RAID
instead.
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don't do that.
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the file's content, then I think the script should do that
to verify that files with a ".la" suffix really are Libtool archives
before deleting them.
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place the key every few hours or days. The Signature field
is different every time though. Thus I'm not sure whether the
attacker's time limit is the lifetime of the key (which Fedora can't
control) or the TCP timeout.
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anyone wants to test things themself.
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Zdenek Dohnal wrote:
> the schedule for the first no-driver was proposed
What is a no-driver?
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slations of RPM descriptions
and summaries, which is sad, but in that case there certainly shouldn't
be a "SHOULD" in the Review Guidelines.
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is rather similar to
/usr/share/bash-completion, /usr/share/man, /usr/share/info and various
other directories that filesystem owns.
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sy at the time. I don't know a
convenient way to do that, so I end up installing updates when they
show up in the updates repository.
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might be caused
> by limited system resources. From the provided error message it looks
> like insufficient RAM/buffer size.
Perhaps limiting the length of the error message could prevent overuse
of system resources? I doubt anyone actually wants a super-wide alert
window.
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vbe/&&/xsave/)
> level = 3
> if (level == 3 &&
> /avx512f/&&/avx512bw/&&/avx512cd/&&/avx512dq/&&/avx512vl/) level = 4
> if (level > 0) { print "CPU supports x86-64-v" level; exit level + 1 }
> exit 1
> }
less
animation. Even the text that is right there in the HTML code is hidden.
Instead it wants me to execute a bunch of Javascript from at least three
different domains. When a website expects me to execute some unknown
program before they'll even tell me who they are or what they
;. For any reasonable reading of the manual,
"BrowseLocalProtocols none" should have the same effect as "Browsing
No". It seems safest to turn off both, but I'm not at all sure whether
that prevents network printers from showing up in my print dialogs.
B
Solomon Peachy wrote:
> On Wed, May 26, 2021 at 08:15:46PM +0200, Björn Persson wrote:
> > And I always try to avoid using protocols that assume that the local
> > link is secure. That's one of the reasons why my printer is connected by
> > USB, and I would like to co
ected by
USB, and I would like to continue to have that choice.
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printer name/identifier just
> so they can capture a document *you* want to print, but if there's that
> level of persistant hostile presence on your local network, you're
> already completly screwed.
I would be if I would use insecure protoco
printer and an auto-found printer, so I can continue to have
my printer configured and know that I'm sending to that one?
Do I need to explain, detail by detail, the errors in the reasoning
"People don't print on untrusted networks. Therefore any network with a
printer on it is trusted.
ices that trust the wifi network to protect them. Assuming
that all the nodes on the local link are friendly is criminally naïve.
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er how I will know whether I'm
sending my sensitive document to my USB printer or to some impostor on
a wifi network.
I wish working software could just continue working. Obviously that's
far too sane for this insane world.
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using and updating
/boot/grub2/grub.cfg, leaving /boot/efi/EFI/fedora/grub.cfg to go stale,
and the upgrade replaced the file in use with the stale one.
This would mean that different programs have different ideas about
which grub.cfg is in use.
See also https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=195
situations like this.) Then I
ran "grub2-mkconfig -o /boot/grub2/grub.cfg" to get the boot working
normally.
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should get,
none of the outdated entries I actually see.
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ub.cfg
That file contains the outdated menu entries I described. Is there a
way to recreate it from the Dracut shell, or with the filesystem
temporarily mounted on another Fedora 32 system?
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Tomasz Torcz wrote:
> Dnia Sat, May 08, 2021 at 02:51:31PM +0200, Björn Persson napisał(a):
> > I used yum system-upgrade to upgrade from Fedora 32 to Fedora 34. Now
> > Grub complains about not finding some theme files, and then displays a
>
> Missing theme files
Neal Gompa wrote:
> On Sat, May 8, 2021 at 8:53 AM Björn Persson wrote:
> >
> > I used yum system-upgrade to upgrade from Fedora 32 to Fedora 34. Now
> > Grub complains about not finding some theme files, and then displays a
> > menu with two kernels from Fedora 29 and
Which component in Bugzilla might be responsible for this mess?
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, compiler, assembler, linker and
whatever else may be involved.
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Frank Ch. Eigler wrote:
> Björn Persson writes:
> > And as you noted yourself, an attacker who can manipulate cached files
> > client-side has already taken over the user account anyway.
>
> Yes and no, and so I must disagree with your "won't improve ... for
eouts should not be happening any more.
It is however a good illustration of how a network problem can destroy
the user experience. Five minutes is a long wait. I'm glad that we now
have this information.
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> Downloading separate debug info for /lib64/libcap.so.2...
I was wondering what the user experience would be like in such a
situation. Could you estimate how long you had to wait in tota
Frank Ch. Eigler wrote:
> Björn Persson writes:
>
> > · How is it verified that files received from debuginfo servers have not
> > been tampered with?
>
> Following up further to this, we're planning to add optional client-side
> hash-verification of
how a network problem can impact the
usability of debugging tools. Could it for example make GDB hang for a
minute every time it encounters a new source filename?
Finally, if somebody doesn't like the answers to the above questions,
then they'll want to know how to disable the feature.
GPLv3+ with exceptions.
gnatcoll-gmp, gnatcoll-readline and gnatcoll-xref are still GPLv3+.
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I think that's a good idea. If it gets implemented, then we can remove
check-rpaths from the Ada spec files – but there might be other similar
usecases where something runs in %check to check files in the buildroot,
which would break if %check would be moved before %install.
Björn Persson
ing that a word like "Jamaica" is useful as a password – if
it's checked server-side that the two passwords are not similar – but
it's not two-factor authentication if both passwords are stored in the
same password manager.
I'm not going to speculate on how you mean that &qu
That turns the "security question" into a backup
passphrase. If you want people to do this, then it's better to ask them
to make up a passphrase.
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done in the login
session, then successful attacks will be less frequent, because then
the attacker first needs the victim's passphrase. Side-channel
authentication is a design flaw none the less. There's no point to
having a second factor if it's so weak that the security depends mos
your password, so it doesn't
> really play nice with password managers.
Such kludges shouldn't be exposed in user interfaces if it can be
avoided. A web interface should be able to receive two strings in two
separate fields, and concatenate them if the backend requires that.
Björn Perss
e release notes seem
to use "signature scheme" and "signature algorithm" interchangeably,
and the manual uses "host key algorithms" and "key types" when it seems
to actually be talking about signature schemes.
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/apache2,
/etc/apache2, apache2.service and so on. That's a real nuisance.
Working with both Debian and CentOS I always have trouble remembering
whether it's /etc/apache2 or /etc/httpd, and apache2.service or
httpd.service. Both have apachectl though, not httpctl.
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a CoreOS, not Fedora Linux" makes no sense either,
because Fedora CoreOS would be a subset of Fedora Linux if I understand
you correctly.
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Fedora is a software distribution. It
contains Linux, many GNU components, RPM, MariaDB, Libreoffice and lots
of other things, but its name is "Fedora". Or call it "Fedora Software
Distribution" or anything else that doesn't single out any of the
components. That approac
ething like "Fedora Family", because it's a number of closely
related distributions which are suitable for use at home?
Or something like "Fedora Flow", alluding to frequent releases and a
steady stream of updates?
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-a-week/
https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2021/02/supply-chain-attack-that-fooled-apple-and-microsoft-is-attracting-copycats/
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ess is trusted. You state that the DNS server
isn't necessarily in the same domain as the repository, so it's not as
simple as comparing the domain names. Could you explain how the email
address is validated?
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Matthew Miller wrote:
> On Sun, Mar 07, 2021 at 10:26:50AM +0100, Björn Persson wrote:
> > > It can, but most people don't have a good setup for even local mail
> > > delivery. Out of the box, we don't really do anything useful.
> > It wouldn't tak
x27;s a kernel thread called "edac-poller", so I don't know
whether the runtime overhead is any lower.
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ariety of MUAs can pick up the emails from
/var/spool/mail.
But I guess those who want fewer daemons won't be happy to see Postfix
added just for a chance to be warned about an imminent breakdown.
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use different methods for
> authenticating with your FAS account.
>
> koji uses kerberos, bodhi uses OpenID over HTTP, dist-git uses SSH ...
It wouldn't be a user interface problem if they'd all fetch the
passcode from the same keyring. Then the user wouldn't need to know h
he sha256sum step.) According to the manual, GnuPG can
look up keys in DNS in various ways, but it tries only Web Key Directory
by default. I think therefore that the greatest advantage of publishing
the keys in DNS is that it can help with verifying installation images,
but it might be even
ly
> does voice and IM could that provide a way forward?
If that would remove the dependency on FFMPEG, then I suppose that
would work around that problem at least.
You could also try packaging Jami in RPM Fusion, if FFMPEG is the only
obstacle.
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or agreeing on a meeting time across
borders.
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kens are better where
security requirements are higher, like in two-factor authentication.
Requiring biometrics is effectively the same as prohibiting stronger
authentication methods, which is a stupid thing to do.
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Miro Hrončok wrote:
> On 12/8/20 10:26 AM, Björn Persson wrote:
> > This time I got eight separate Bugzilla issues, which all essentially
> > just served as notification that GCC has been upgraded, and each one
> > needs to be closed manually. That's manageable as lon
one of my packages is unbuildable (and it's not just
because its dependencies haven't been rebuilt yet), notify me and I'll
look into it. For that purpose a bug report in Bugzilla is appropriate.
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hould at worst refuse to run.
If it does anything worse than that, then I think that's a serious
defect that needs to be fixed.
> == User Experience ==
> For most users of `ntp` the experience is not expected to change
> significantly.
Or rather: For most users their only experience w
reviewer, it's probably best to close the older one as
duplicate.
Next time you write to the list, don't reply to a random unrelated
message. Use the reply button only when you're actually replying to
something.
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ese issues.
Of course, the real solution would be decent code quality upstream, so
that security fixes would be rare, not come in heaps.
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I see only two.
> I'm not sure how many users of ntp are there. As a replacement, we
> could package ntpsec.
Judging only from their own website, it seems that switching to NTPsec
would be a great improvement.
I'll have to investigate whether I can migrate all my usec
ould have chosen to "deal with" the problem then, if they cared about
DNSsec. You Michael replied to Florian and called DNSsec-aware clients
"a quite specialized use-case", so you can't claim that you were unaware
of the issue. "It's too late" rings holl
Sérgio Basto wrote:
> On Sun, 2020-10-04 at 21:39 +0200, Björn Persson wrote:
> > Adam Williamson wrote:
> > > On Sun, 2020-10-04 at 12:31 +0200, Vitaly Zaitsev via devel wrote:
> > > > On 04.10.2020 12:04, Barry Scott wrote:
> > > > > Why is a
e a pull-request",
it would be better if it said "You can create a pull-request here:".
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d.service
> # mv /etc/resolv.conf.orig-with-nm /etc/resolv.conf
> # systemctl restart NetworkManager.service
So there's no need to revert any changes to /etc/nsswitch.conf? I've
seen some discussion about that file in relation to systemd-resolved.
It seemed far from easy to understand ho
Neal Gompa wrote:
> On Tue, Sep 29, 2020 at 7:48 AM Björn Persson wrote:
> >
> > Lennart Poettering wrote:
> > > On Mo, 28.09.20 22:54, Björn Persson (Bjorn@rombobjörn.se) wrote:
> > >
> > > > It can work in company-scope if the company has c
Lennart Poettering wrote:
> On Mo, 28.09.20 22:54, Björn Persson (Bjorn@rombobjörn.se) wrote:
>
> > It can work in company-scope if the company has competent network
> > admins. My local DNS server at home resolves local hostnames to private
> > IPv4 addresses in the 192.
I don't mind "losing" LLMNR,
MDNS and synthetic records, which never existed in DNS to begin with.
It would however be good to have the split DNS feature, and I see no
reason why that wouldn't work with DNSsec. Of course, whether a DO query
gets a useful response
lly qualified domain name. Now people are
saying in this thread that systemd-resolved treats both as local names
and doesn't even try to look them up in DNS. So does systemd-resolved
comply with this standard or not?
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des that it has been upgraded, and automatically converts the
files to the new format. Then you reboot into another OS with an older
version of the program, which doesn't understand the new format.
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ng list?
Kevin's wording is perfect. It just needs to be visible in the web
interface, with the words "Beta freeze" as a link.
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; Sounds like a good change, which should be made for DNS as well.
So where is a global pool of volunteer-provided DNS resolvers similar
to pool.ntp.org? I've never heard of one, and I suspect it's not
advisable to do that with DNS.
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program updates, and so on and so forth? And then manually check a
bunch of individual upstream websites for updates to programs that
aren't in those language-specific repositories either? No way! I run
"yum update" and get *all* the updates for my system.
Björn Persson
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p field always present, with the
value 0 when not in use. Yet another option is to put the minorbump
after the buildtag. I'd say this is technically manageable, but there
is some risk that packagers would do minorbumps wrong by mistake.
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st}%{?buildtag}"
>
> Can I ask why this wouldn't be:
>
> Release: 1%{?buildtag}%{?dist}
>
> ?
Putting the buildtag after the disttag makes it possible to change how
the buildtag is generated in a future Fedora release without breaking
upgrade paths.
B
way, one or more of the current
parts of the Version and Release fields should be updated. For a
rebuild, when the source code hasn't changed, the spec wouldn't need to
change either, and only the buildtag would set the rebuilt package
apart from the previous one.
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og.
> Side question: Is it really useful to put "Rebuilt for
> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_XX_Mass_Rebuild"; into changelogs?
I don't see any use for those entries. There is already a build
timestamp in the package metadata.
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interpretation is that they want you to choose a source of
randomness by defining one of those macros, so can you get the build
system to pass -DXML_DEV_URANDOM to g++?
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rrently it sits deployed in staging koji,
> so you can give it a test-drive :-)
What will the release value be when a package that uses autorel is built
with fedpkg local?
Or fedpkg mockbuild?
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Florian Weimer wrote:
> * Björn Persson:
>
> > The macro could be defined like this for example:
> >
> > %buildtag .%(date +%%s)
>
> Using time for synchronization is always a bit iffy.
Well, if somebody manages to build a package twice within a second,
usi
Nicolas Mailhot via devel wrote:
> Le dimanche 05 juillet 2020 à 17:46 +0200, Björn Persson a écrit :
> > It seems that several problems would just disappear if a rebuild
> > would generate a unique package ID without a Git commit.
>
> That’s exacly what the change does.
, ignoring the buildtag. The buildtag would
distinguish between different builds of the same version-release.
What flaws can you all find in this idea?
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> %define _build_timestamp %( date +%Y%m%d_%H%M%S )
Percent signs that are not to be interpreted as RPM syntax need to be
doubled. Write this as:
%define _build_timestamp %(date +%%Y%%m%%d_%%H%%M%%S)
Björn Persson
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it should be done by tweaking the code to silence the
compiler warning for that call only. Disabling -Wunused-result for the
whole program is not a good idea.
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ood reason". As I understand it, Sergio's question is
whether this case is a good reason. In my opinion, incorrect use of
snprintf and write are bad reasons for overriding the compiler flags.
It's better to fix the actual problem than to silence the alarm.
Björn
ey find that burdensome, then that's because they made a bad
choice of programming language.
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key/value file will be committed to Git from inside
Koji? Do the Koji builders have write access to Git?
> commit the new build event timestamp in
> the detached changelog file at %build time
%build is executed once per arch, on different builders, so which
builder's timestamp get
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