Re: Minimal install diff from F16 to F19 (TC6)

2013-06-26 Thread Dan Williams
On Sat, 2013-06-22 at 17:07 +0200, Till Maas wrote: On Fri, Jun 21, 2013 at 12:09:57PM -0500, Dan Williams wrote: On the other hand, having NetworkManager available all the time enables things like management tools to use its API to query system status, instead of guessing it from

Re: Minimal install diff from F16 to F19 (TC6)

2013-06-21 Thread Dan Williams
On Fri, 2013-06-21 at 13:42 +0200, Florian Weimer wrote: On 06/20/2013 08:01 PM, Stephen Gallagher wrote: Mind if I ask why you think this way about NetworkManager? The NM currently shipping in Fedora 19 has full support for managing static NICs, as well as bonding, bridging and VLAN

Re: Minimal install diff from F16 to F19 (TC6)

2013-06-21 Thread Dan Williams
On Fri, 2013-06-21 at 13:17 +0200, Florian Weimer wrote: On 06/20/2013 09:13 PM, Dan Williams wrote: nmcli doesn't work unless NM is running, since it talks to NM to do stuff, so it would be incompatible with NM setting things up and quitting. It could spawn NetworkManager

Re: Minimal install diff from F16 to F19 (TC6)

2013-06-20 Thread Dan Williams
On Thu, 2013-06-20 at 12:13 -0600, Eric Smith wrote: Does NM in F19 support statically assigning multiple subnets to the same physical interface, WITHOUT using VLANs? I often need that on server machines, and wasn't able to figure out any way to do it with NM on F17, but I haven't yet tried

Re: Minimal install diff from F16 to F19 (TC6)

2013-06-20 Thread Dan Williams
On Thu, 2013-06-20 at 13:59 -0500, Chris Adams wrote: Once upon a time, Bill Nottingham nott...@redhat.com said: No, it does not support that at this time. Also note that (if I'm remembering right) NM adds all aliases as secondary IP addresses, not as ':x' style additional devices. I

Re: Minimal install diff from F16 to F19 (TC6)

2013-06-20 Thread Dan Williams
On Thu, 2013-06-20 at 14:06 -0500, Chris Adams wrote: Once upon a time, Matthew Miller mat...@fedoraproject.org said: Hence, the RFE -- a mode which sets up the above, and then goes away. I had not seen that mode (or a request for it). That would be nice. In a perfect world (hah!),

Re: wired ethernet disabled between reboots, was: when startup delays become bugs

2013-05-21 Thread Dan Williams
On Sun, 2013-05-19 at 09:59 -0400, Nico Kadel-Garcia wrote: On Fri, May 17, 2013 at 1:10 AM, Chris Murphy li...@colorremedies.com wrote: On May 16, 2013, at 10:49 PM, Dan Williams d...@redhat.com wrote: On Thu, 2013-05-16 at 15:44 -0600, Chris Murphy wrote: On May 16, 2013, at 3:36 PM

Re: wired ethernet disabled between reboots, was: when startup delays become bugs

2013-05-21 Thread Dan Williams
On Tue, 2013-05-21 at 14:02 -0600, Chris Murphy wrote: On May 21, 2013, at 1:09 PM, Dan Williams d...@redhat.com wrote: But this bug has brought me to a plethora of buggy behavior in the Gnome Settings Network panel, so maybe the misery was worth it. *THIS*. *This* kind of thing

Re: wired ethernet disabled between reboots, was: when startup delays become bugs

2013-05-21 Thread Dan Williams
On Tue, 2013-05-21 at 22:07 +0200, Reindl Harald wrote: Am 21.05.2013 22:02, schrieb Chris Murphy: Maybe someone can explain to me the use case for ONBOOT= where its value isn't tied to the current network state. I wasted an inordinate, unreasonable amount of time trying to

Re: wired ethernet disabled between reboots, was: when startup delays become bugs

2013-05-21 Thread Dan Williams
On Tue, 2013-05-21 at 14:33 -0600, Chris Murphy wrote: On May 21, 2013, at 2:08 PM, Adam Williamson awill...@redhat.com wrote: On Tue, 2013-05-21 at 14:02 -0600, Chris Murphy wrote: 1. Connect Automatically may work as designed, but it's a flawed design. It makes no sense to have an

Re: wired ethernet disabled between reboots, was: when startup delays become bugs

2013-05-21 Thread Dan Williams
On Tue, 2013-05-21 at 14:18 -0700, Adam Williamson wrote: On Tue, 2013-05-21 at 15:15 -0600, Chris Murphy wrote: Anaconda creates ifcfg-en5s0, but sometimes the interface doesn't get an IP address via DHCP on boot. Sometimes it does. I haven't figured out why. But if I delete this ifcfg-

Re: wired ethernet disabled between reboots, was: when startup delays become bugs

2013-05-16 Thread Dan Williams
On Thu, 2013-05-16 at 21:47 -0400, Nico Kadel-Garcia wrote: On Thu, May 16, 2013 at 5:01 PM, Adam Williamson awill...@redhat.com wrote: On Thu, 2013-05-16 at 14:57 -0600, Chris Murphy wrote: On May 16, 2013, at 2:17 PM, Chris Murphy li...@colorremedies.com wrote: OK well this isn't

Re: wired ethernet disabled between reboots, was: when startup delays become bugs

2013-05-16 Thread Dan Williams
On Thu, 2013-05-16 at 15:44 -0600, Chris Murphy wrote: On May 16, 2013, at 3:36 PM, Chris Murphy li...@colorremedies.com wrote: Rebooted. I still have the problem. Wired connection is Off on each reboot. This happens even if I regress to the 3.9.0 kernel that's used on the Live media,

Re: when startup delays become bugs

2013-05-15 Thread Dan Williams
On Wed, 2013-05-15 at 12:52 +0200, Lennart Poettering wrote: On Tue, 14.05.13 17:30, Dan Williams (d...@redhat.com) wrote: On Tue, 2013-05-14 at 15:51 -0600, Chris Murphy wrote: This is not intended to be snarky, but I admit it could sound like it is. When are long startup times

Re: when startup delays become bugs

2013-05-14 Thread Dan Williams
On Tue, 2013-05-14 at 15:51 -0600, Chris Murphy wrote: This is not intended to be snarky, but I admit it could sound like it is. When are long startup times for services considered to be bugs in their own right? [root@f19q ~]# systemd-analyze blame 1min 444ms sm-client.service

Re: FYI: F20 Feature: Migrate to Bluez5

2013-05-06 Thread Dan Williams
On Mon, 2013-05-06 at 09:35 +0200, Bastien Nocera wrote: Heya, In Fedora 20, we'll be using BlueZ 5.x to manage Bluetooth devices. Bluez5 uses a D-Bus API that's not compatible with Bluez4[1] and as such, management applications and a number of libraries and daemons will need to be

Re: Mission Impossible #1: qt without gtk

2013-04-29 Thread Dan Williams
On Mon, 2013-04-29 at 20:59 +0400, Eugene Pivnev wrote: Whether it is possible to sane gsteamer and try to remove gtk? And gvfs - removing *gnome*. It appears that out of the entire gvfsd package, only: /usr/libexec/gvfsd-recent requires GTK libraries. Everything else is strictly non-GUI.

Re: NetworkManager: do not tend missing hardware

2013-04-26 Thread Dan Williams
On Thu, 2013-04-25 at 12:10 -0600, Pete Zaitcev wrote: On Thu, 25 Apr 2013 10:28:56 -0700 John Reiser jrei...@bitwagon.com wrote: $ dmesg Apr 25 05:56:36 localhost NetworkManager[614]: info modem-manager is now available Yeah, modem manager is irksome, although in my case it only

Re: NetworkManager: do not tend missing hardware

2013-04-26 Thread Dan Williams
On Fri, 2013-04-26 at 13:56 -0500, Dan Williams wrote: On Thu, 2013-04-25 at 12:10 -0600, Pete Zaitcev wrote: On Thu, 25 Apr 2013 10:28:56 -0700 John Reiser jrei...@bitwagon.com wrote: $ dmesg Apr 25 05:56:36 localhost NetworkManager[614]: info modem-manager is now available

Re: dial-up comps group?

2013-03-08 Thread Dan Williams
On Fri, 2013-03-08 at 11:30 +0100, Michael Scherer wrote: Le jeudi 07 mars 2013 à 21:17 -0800, Kenneth Marcy a écrit : On 3/7/2013 8:50 PM, Kevin Fenzi wrote: I see all the various desktop envs install the 'dial-up' group, which has: packagereq

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: More Mobile Broadband

2013-02-11 Thread Dan Williams
On Mon, 2013-02-11 at 09:42 +, Jaroslav Reznik wrote: On Saturday 09 of February 2013 11:37:15 Kevin Kofler wrote: Toshio Kuratomi wrote: In Scope I see KDE's networking layers likely require an update to use the new API, as will any other direct client of ModemManager. However, the

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: Trusted Network Connect (TNC)

2013-01-31 Thread Dan Williams
On Tue, 2013-01-29 at 17:28 -0500, Bill Nottingham wrote: Avesh Agarwal (avaga...@redhat.com) said: Right now it is done using wpa_supplicant provided cli. Just to clarify a little bit further, wpa_supplicant provided cli takes care of authentication and tnc's end point assessment. Once

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: NetworkManager Bridging Support

2013-01-31 Thread Dan Williams
On Thu, 2013-01-31 at 16:41 -0500, Bill Nottingham wrote: Jaroslav Reznik (jrez...@redhat.com) said: = Features/NetworkManagerBridging = https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/NetworkManagerBridging Feature owner(s): Pavel Šimerda psimerda at redhat.com, Dan Williams dcbw

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: systemd/udev Predictable Network Interface Names

2013-01-29 Thread Dan Williams
On Tue, 2013-01-29 at 18:29 +, Matthew Garrett wrote: On Tue, Jan 29, 2013 at 12:13:37PM -0600, Andrew McNabb wrote: On Tue, Jan 29, 2013 at 06:11:19PM +, Matthew Garrett wrote: Walk /sys/class/net, filter on type, filter out bridges, filter out wireless if you want to. sysfs

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: systemd/udev Predictable Network Interface Names

2013-01-29 Thread Dan Williams
On Tue, 2013-01-29 at 18:38 +, Matthew Garrett wrote: On Tue, Jan 29, 2013 at 12:32:30PM -0600, Dan Williams wrote: Except then you run into phones or WWAN cards that show up as Ethernet devices, but aren't really Ethernet but just IP-in-8023-frames because that was easier to do

Re: Reproposed F19 Feature: Fix Network Name Resolution [Was: DualstackNetworking]

2013-01-23 Thread Dan Williams
On Wed, 2013-01-23 at 02:46 +0100, Lennart Poettering wrote: On Mon, 21.01.13 10:25, Daniel P. Berrange (berra...@redhat.com) wrote: The glibc maintainers don't seem to be against this idea and I am willing to put time into design and implementation. Perhaps I'm misunderstanding what

Re: Reproposed F19 Feature: Fix Network Name Resolution [Was: DualstackNetworking]

2013-01-23 Thread Dan Williams
On Wed, 2013-01-23 at 09:48 -0800, John Reiser wrote: On 01/23/2013 09:27 AM, Daniel P. Berrange wrote: On Wed, Jan 23, 2013 at 11:24:25AM -0600, Dan Williams wrote: On Wed, 2013-01-23 at 02:46 +0100, Lennart Poettering wrote: On Mon, 21.01.13 10:25, Daniel P. Berrange (berra...@redhat.com

Re: fltk

2012-12-19 Thread Dan Williams
On Wed, 2012-12-19 at 11:23 -0500, Gregory Maxwell wrote: On Wed, Dec 19, 2012 at 10:40 AM, Bruno Wolff III br...@wolff.to wrote: In some cases you can get DSO linking errors when you don't explicitly link to those other packages. People building from source might not care, but this can

Re: fltk

2012-12-19 Thread Dan Williams
On Wed, 2012-12-19 at 11:56 -0500, Gregory Maxwell wrote: On Wed, Dec 19, 2012 at 11:53 AM, Dan Williams d...@redhat.com wrote: It's the other way around. If libfoo 1.0.0 linked with -lbar and -lm, and then you upgraded to libfoo 1.0.1 which *no longer* links to -lm, now stuff that links

Re: Resurrecting deprecated system-config-network package for the time being

2012-11-26 Thread Dan Williams
On Mon, 2012-11-26 at 14:08 -0500, Matthias Clasen wrote: On Thu, 2012-11-22 at 17:51 +0100, Nils Philippsen wrote: Hi, as nmcli doesn't yet offer all functionality s-c-network-tui had for configuring networks on the command line, I want to resurrect system-config-network for the time

Re: remove polkit from core?

2012-11-12 Thread Dan Williams
On Sat, 2012-11-10 at 02:33 +0100, Kevin Kofler wrote: Matthew Miller wrote: Apparently the new version of polkit brings in javascript. The js package is 6.5MB. I think anything that uses polkit will depend on it -- can we remove it from core? Of course, the real question is why the heck

Re: Network interface renaming, where does INTERFACE_NAME get applied?

2012-11-12 Thread Dan Williams
On Sat, 2012-11-10 at 00:45 +0100, Lennart Poettering wrote: On Fri, 09.11.12 11:42, Daniel Drake (d...@laptop.org) wrote: Hi Bill I see that initscripts in F18 ships this udev rule: ACTION==add, SUBSYSTEM==net, PROGRAM=/lib/udev/rename_device, RESULT==?*,

Re: network service fails to set wireless parameters.

2012-11-07 Thread Dan Williams
On Tue, 2012-11-06 at 23:16 +0100, Björn Persson wrote: Dan Williams wrote: On Tue, 2012-11-06 at 21:47 +0100, Björn Persson wrote: I have a Wifi card that is supposed to be managed by the network service. The interface's IP addresses, prefixes, routes and all that get assigned

Re: network service fails to set wireless parameters.

2012-11-06 Thread Dan Williams
On Tue, 2012-11-06 at 21:47 +0100, Björn Persson wrote: I have a Wifi card that is supposed to be managed by the network service. The interface's IP addresses, prefixes, routes and all that get assigned correctly on boot, but the wireless parameters – mode, ESSID and channel – do not get

Re: replacing rsyslogd in minimal with journald [was Re: systemd requires HTTP server and serves QR codes]

2012-10-09 Thread Dan Williams
On Tue, 2012-10-09 at 21:29 +0200, Reindl Harald wrote: Am 09.10.2012 19:19, schrieb Lennart Poettering: On Tue, 09.10.12 15:19, Tom Hughes (t...@compton.nu) wrote: On 09/10/12 15:04, Lennart Poettering wrote: h) It's much shorter to type: journalctl than less /var/log/messages.

Re: replacing rsyslogd in minimal with journald [was Re: systemd requires HTTP server and serves QR codes]

2012-10-09 Thread Dan Williams
On Tue, 2012-10-09 at 15:41 -0600, Stephen John Smoogen wrote: On 9 October 2012 15:24, Lennart Poettering mzerq...@0pointer.de wrote: On Tue, 09.10.12 16:53, Simo Sorce (s...@redhat.com) wrote: If you want audit-like semantics with crashing if we cannot write, then use something else,

Re: replacing rsyslogd in minimal with journald [was Re: systemd requires HTTP server and serves QR codes]

2012-10-09 Thread Dan Williams
On Tue, 2012-10-09 at 15:57 -0600, Stephen John Smoogen wrote: On 9 October 2012 15:50, Matthew Miller mat...@fedoraproject.org wrote: On Tue, Oct 09, 2012 at 03:41:51PM -0600, Stephen John Smoogen wrote: If you want audit-like semantics with crashing if we cannot write, then use

Re: Network configuration future

2012-09-07 Thread Dan Williams
On Mon, 2012-09-03 at 09:44 +0200, Olaf Kirch wrote: Hi Miloslav, On Wednesday 29 August 2012 18:42:44 Miloslav Trmač wrote: Considering that it's not reasonable to expect that the replacement will cover 100% of the previous functionality, the old and new projects will have to live side

Re: Network configuration future

2012-09-07 Thread Dan Williams
On Mon, 2012-09-03 at 09:20 +0200, Olaf Kirch wrote: On Friday 31 August 2012 02:47:38 Bill Nottingham wrote: I'm not saying you *can't* do it, but it's also not something to do lightly. Totally agreed. But what are really the points of maximum stickiness? Obviously, configuration files

Re: Network configuration future

2012-09-07 Thread Dan Williams
On Thu, 2012-08-30 at 13:23 +0200, Dennis Jacobfeuerborn wrote: On 08/30/2012 08:55 AM, Bill Nottingham wrote: Bill Nottingham (nott...@redhat.com) said: Olaf Kirch (o...@suse.de) said: On Wednesday 29 August 2012 21:56:45 Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote: On 08/29/2012 11:58 AM, Olaf Kirch

Re: Network configuration future

2012-09-07 Thread Dan Williams
On Mon, 2012-09-03 at 09:20 +0200, Olaf Kirch wrote: Hi Stephen, On Wednesday 29 August 2012 19:48:29 Stephen Gallagher wrote: Olaf, I'm very interested to learn more about wicked. Can you perhaps itemize the set of features available to wicked (current as well as in-development) that

Re: Network configuration future

2012-09-07 Thread Dan Williams
On Thu, 2012-08-30 at 07:44 +0200, Olaf Kirch wrote: Hi Adam, On Thursday 30 August 2012 04:16:23 Adam Williamson wrote: *** Network Manager is just another daemon created for a task which historically often did not need any daemons. It's almost as if the new generation of Unix

Re: Network configuration future

2012-09-07 Thread Dan Williams
On Wed, 2012-08-29 at 16:48 +0100, Steven Whitehouse wrote: Hi, I wonder if one way to deal with the network configuration issue is to try and help different configuration systems work with each other, rather than to try and create one system which does everything. Last time I looked into

Re: Network configuration future

2012-09-07 Thread Dan Williams
On Wed, 2012-08-29 at 15:17 +0200, Denys Vlasenko wrote: On 08/29/2012 01:58 PM, Olaf Kirch wrote: Your feedback is very much welcome! Regards, Olaf Why Did You Do This?! Do we really need yet another network management thing?

Re: Network configuration future

2012-09-07 Thread Dan Williams
On Mon, 2012-09-03 at 09:20 +0200, Olaf Kirch wrote: On Thursday 30 August 2012 08:55:02 Bill Nottingham wrote: The systemd people do have some ideas they've already been kicking around for this already... have you seen it? To be clear, I'm not really convinced yet that this is

Re: Network configuration future

2012-09-07 Thread Dan Williams
On Fri, 2012-09-07 at 21:02 +, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote: On 09/07/2012 07:13 PM, Dan Williams wrote: I'm not sure the right place for this sort of thing is in the init system. Well I happen to be sure that the init systemd regardless of which flavor of the month it is should

Re: Network configuration future

2012-09-07 Thread Dan Williams
On Fri, 2012-09-07 at 14:49 -0500, Bruno Wolff III wrote: On Fri, Sep 07, 2012 at 13:23:37 -0500, Dan Williams d...@redhat.com wrote: That's NM's heritage, but that's certainly not its focus. We're actually focusing a *lot* more on enterprise use-cases these days, including lots

Re: upstream wants me to rename my package

2012-09-07 Thread Dan Williams
On Fri, 2012-09-07 at 16:54 -0400, Gary Gatling wrote: Hello, I am working on a package called VirtualGL: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=834127 After contacting the upstream on their mailing list, they seem obsessed with being able to install their own rprms and my

Re: Network configuration future

2012-09-07 Thread Dan Williams
On Fri, 2012-09-07 at 16:46 -0500, Bruno Wolff III wrote: On Fri, Sep 07, 2012 at 16:38:27 -0500, Dan Williams d...@redhat.com wrote: 'man NetworkManager' is a good place to start here, which leads you to NetworkManager.conf, which leads you to: dns=dnsmasq I knew about that, but I

Re: Network configuration future

2012-09-07 Thread Dan Williams
On Fri, 2012-09-07 at 16:44 -0500, Michael Cronenworth wrote: Dan Williams wrote: 'man NetworkManager' is a good place to start here, which leads you to NetworkManager.conf, which leads you to: dns=dnsmasq which with 0.9.6 and any options you put into custom configuration in /etc

Re: F18, koji and IPv6

2012-08-10 Thread Dan Williams
On Fri, 2012-08-10 at 20:45 +0400, Alexey I. Froloff wrote: Before F18 is released, can someone, please, take a loot at https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=836329 ? Month and a half have passed already and patch exists. Nobody really used IPv6 in production when I wrote that piece of

Re: default DNS caching name server on Fedora ?

2012-07-02 Thread Dan Williams
On Fri, 2012-06-22 at 09:46 +0200, Nicolas Mailhot wrote: Le Jeu 21 juin 2012 01:09, Dan Williams a écrit : I spent some time looking at this today. NM already has plugins for dnsmasq and a long-since-dead one for bind. We can certainly add a plugin for dnssec-trigger or even unbound

Re: default DNS caching name server on Fedora ?

2012-07-02 Thread Dan Williams
On Wed, 2012-06-20 at 19:45 -0400, Paul Wouters wrote: On Wed, 20 Jun 2012, Dan Williams wrote: I spent some time looking at this today. NM already has plugins for dnsmasq and a long-since-dead one for bind. We can certainly add a plugin for dnssec-trigger or even unbound itself as well

Re: default DNS caching name server on Fedora ?

2012-06-21 Thread Dan Williams
On Thu, 2012-06-21 at 09:32 -0400, Dan Winship wrote: On 06/20/2012 07:09 PM, Dan Williams wrote: (also, an aside: why the heck do resolvconf and dnssec-trigger require an interface name??? DNS information has nothing do with network interfaces, despite some DNS info coming from interface

Re: Q: IPv6-only setup - get rid of 127.0.0.1

2012-06-21 Thread Dan Williams
On Thu, 2012-06-21 at 16:39 +0200, Lennart Poettering wrote: On Thu, 21.06.12 18:22, Alexey I. Froloff (ra...@raorn.name) wrote: On Thu, Jun 21, 2012 at 03:39:43PM +0200, Lennart Poettering wrote: Disabling IPv4 should result in socket(AF_INET, ...) returning EAFNOSUPPORT. Just taking

Re: default DNS caching name server on Fedora ?

2012-06-20 Thread Dan Williams
On Wed, 2012-06-20 at 10:19 -0600, Kevin Fenzi wrote: On Wed, 20 Jun 2012 12:05:57 -0400 Simo Sorce s...@redhat.com wrote: Yes this is all good 'n' nice. The point is, can we/should we/want we make this the default ? (And work on integrating NM - unbound automatic configuration ?)

Re: default DNS caching name server on Fedora ?

2012-06-20 Thread Dan Williams
On Wed, 2012-06-20 at 16:24 -0400, Paul Wouters wrote: On Wed, 20 Jun 2012, Simo Sorce wrote: There are at least 2 situations where it is needed, and they are common or will be common enough. The 2 use cases for which a properly configurable and dynamically changeable caching DNA name

Re: RealHotspot availability

2012-05-18 Thread Dan Williams
On Fri, 2012-05-18 at 18:21 -0400, Gerry Reno wrote: In looking back through some of the meeting minutes I saw that RealHotspot has been approved for Fedora 18. === #fedora-meeting: FESCO (2012-03-19) ===

Re: DHCPv6 *still* broken for F17 alpha

2012-03-15 Thread Dan Williams
On Wed, 2012-03-14 at 20:47 +0100, Lars Seipel wrote: On Wednesday 14 March 2012 13:36:06 Dan Williams wrote: Whether we care enough about this regression (if you want to call it that) versus enabling default IPv6 connectivity I don't know, I tend to think we suck up the regression

Re: DHCPv6 *still* broken for F17 alpha

2012-03-15 Thread Dan Williams
On Thu, 2012-03-15 at 10:07 +, Petr Pisar wrote: On 2012-03-14, Dan Williams d...@redhat.com wrote: On Fri, 2012-03-02 at 14:52 +0100, Tore Anderson wrote: * Dan Williams 0.9.4 snapshots do not require both methods to complete (with either success or failure) before saying

Re: DHCPv6 *still* broken for F17 alpha

2012-03-14 Thread Dan Williams
On Fri, 2012-03-02 at 14:52 +0100, Tore Anderson wrote: * Dan Williams 0.9.4 snapshots do not require both methods to complete (with either success or failure) before saying the machine is connected. Thus if IPv4 completes first, NM will say it's connected, and continue IPv6

Re: Notice: IPv6 breaking issues tentatively considered blocker for F17

2012-03-12 Thread Dan Williams
On Mon, 2012-03-12 at 09:59 -0600, Pete Zaitcev wrote: On Sat, 10 Mar 2012 07:46:56 -0600 Chris Adams cmad...@hiwaay.net wrote: DHCPv6 is not the only way to configure dynamic IPv6; my home network is using SLAAC. IMHO that will probably be more common in home and other small networks.

Re: DHCPv6 *still* broken for F17 alpha

2012-03-01 Thread Dan Williams
On Wed, 2012-02-29 at 17:20 +0100, Tore Anderson wrote: * Jerry James Interesting. I'm seeing kind of the inverse problem: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=771130. Could that be related to the issues discussed in this thread? Hard to tell, without (preferably debug-level)

Re: DHCPv6 *still* broken for F17 alpha

2012-03-01 Thread Dan Williams
On Thu, 2012-03-01 at 10:52 -0500, Paul Wouters wrote: On Thu, 1 Mar 2012, Dan Williams wrote: On Wed, 2012-02-29 at 17:20 +0100, Tore Anderson wrote: * Jerry James Interesting. I'm seeing kind of the inverse problem: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=771130. Could

Re: DHCPv6 *still* broken for F17 alpha

2012-02-27 Thread Dan Williams
On Mon, 2012-02-27 at 23:27 -0500, Paul Wouters wrote: Can we please address the following bug that is almsot two years old. This bug causes long delays for people enabling IPV6, and causes Fedora to not get any connectivity on IPv6 only networks, unless you disable/reconfigure ip6tables

Re: /usrmove? - about the future

2012-02-10 Thread Dan Williams
On Fri, 2012-02-10 at 08:28 -0900, Jef Spaleta wrote: On Fri, Feb 10, 2012 at 8:21 AM, Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net wrote: F15 was the first Linux i saw where reboot did not work until you typed kill 1 while praying! Can you point me to a bug report from you or anyone else that has

Re: [kde, lxde, xfce] Removing ModemManager dep from NM, adding to comps instead

2012-01-27 Thread Dan Williams
On Thu, 2012-01-26 at 23:21 +0100, Kevin Kofler wrote: Dan Williams wrote: People who don't have 3G modems and know they wont in the future have no need of installing or running MM. Thus I'd like to remove the RPM dep from NetworkManager, and instead add ModemManager to the default comps

[kde, lxde, xfce] Removing ModemManager dep from NM, adding to comps instead

2012-01-26 Thread Dan Williams
Hi, It was recently brought to my attention that NM has an RPM dep on ModemManager. I believe we added it long ago to ensure that users did not lose 3G modem support when updating from NM 0.7.x (where NM had internal 3G support) to 0.8.x (where that support was split out into MM). These days

Re: Advanced IPv6 in NetworkManager

2011-11-14 Thread Dan Williams
On Mon, 2011-11-14 at 22:39 +0100, Ola Thoresen wrote: On 11/14/2011 06:43 PM, Jan-Frode Myklebust wrote: On Mon, Nov 14, 2011 at 02:43:10PM +0100, Ola Thoresen wrote: So you say that both IPV6_AUTOCONF=yes IPV6ADDR_SECONDARIES=2001:840:0:11::30/64 Shoudl work? (Have not tested

Heads up: bumping libnl to v3 in rawhide/F17 soon

2011-11-08 Thread Dan Williams
Hi, At some point here I'm going to bump libnl to version 3 in rawhide. The libnl 1.1 we use today is way out of date and we want version 3 for the enhanced capabilities like bonding, bridging, vlan, etc. This *does* mean an API break, so packages will need to be updated for libnl3. The

Re: Heads up: bumping libnl to v3 in rawhide/F17 soon

2011-11-08 Thread Dan Williams
On Tue, 2011-11-08 at 12:41 -0500, Bill Nottingham wrote: Dan Williams (d...@redhat.com) said: At some point here I'm going to bump libnl to version 3 in rawhide. The libnl 1.1 we use today is way out of date and we want version 3 for the enhanced capabilities like bonding, bridging, vlan

Re: Heads up: bumping libnl to v3 in rawhide/F17 soon

2011-11-08 Thread Dan Williams
On Tue, 2011-11-08 at 13:05 -0500, Bill Nottingham wrote: Dan Williams (d...@redhat.com) said: I believe libnl3 *might* be parallel installable; I've had conversations with tgraf about how to make it so. I'll investigate once the upstream git repo comes back online. In the past

Re: why do I need colord?

2011-11-08 Thread Dan Williams
On Tue, 2011-11-08 at 18:08 +, Peter Robinson wrote: On Tue, Nov 8, 2011 at 6:02 PM, Adam Jackson a...@redhat.com wrote: On 11/8/11 12:09 PM, Michał Piotrowski wrote: 2011/11/8 Richard Hugheshughsi...@gmail.com: 2011/11/7 Michał Piotrowskimkkp...@gmail.com: Out of curiosity I wanted

Re: Heads up: bumping libnl to v3 in rawhide/F17 soon

2011-11-08 Thread Dan Williams
On Tue, 2011-11-08 at 22:21 +0100, Jiri Moskovcak wrote: On 11/08/2011 06:10 PM, Dan Williams wrote: Hi, At some point here I'm going to bump libnl to version 3 in rawhide. The libnl 1.1 we use today is way out of date and we want version 3 for the enhanced capabilities like bonding

Re: F16 my network doesn't work after an update and I don't know how to fix it...

2011-10-26 Thread Dan Williams
On Wed, 2011-10-26 at 18:18 +0200, Michał Piotrowski wrote: Hi, Today I updated my F16 to latest version. After a while I noticed some problems with network, I rebooted system and after this my network on this box doesn't work anymore. I use NetworkManager and dhcp. During the update

Re: systemd - standard place to run stuff after the network is up?

2011-10-24 Thread Dan Williams
On Thu, 2011-10-20 at 21:22 +0200, Nicolas Mailhot wrote: Le jeudi 20 octobre 2011 à 13:08 -0500, Dan Williams a écrit : If you architect a system that accounts for networking changing states, then it works for *everyone*. If you depend on networking always being there, then it only

Re: HAL depreciated, but what replaced it?

2011-10-14 Thread Dan Williams
On Thu, 2011-10-13 at 09:13 -0500, Richard Shaw wrote: On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 8:16 PM, Dan Williams d...@redhat.com wrote: udev replaced HAL, along with some additional helpers. udev has a database too, much like HAL. You can use libudev or libgudev (if you use glib) to talk to udev

Re: HAL depreciated, but what replaced it?

2011-10-12 Thread Dan Williams
On Wed, 2011-10-12 at 19:44 -0500, Richard Shaw wrote: I'm the maintainer of a (relatively) simple python utility called discspan[1] which I'd like to package for Fedora. It currently relies on HAL via dbus to determine when media is loaded and its capacity. I'm trying to remove the

Re: Looking for dnssec-triggerd alpha testers!

2011-09-22 Thread Dan Williams
On Wed, 2011-09-21 at 11:23 -0400, Paul Wouters wrote: On Wed, 21 Sep 2011, Tomas Mraz wrote: solve a part of the problem how can you even consider removing the ability for disabling dnssec when implementing and deploying and running dnssec increases the complexity times hundred and

Re: Looking for dnssec-triggerd alpha testers!

2011-09-22 Thread Dan Williams
On Wed, 2011-09-21 at 12:37 +0200, Adam Tkac wrote: On 09/20/2011 05:19 PM, Dan Williams wrote: On Sat, 2011-09-17 at 14:00 -0400, Paul Wouters wrote: Hi developers of NM and Fedora, We are trying to get DNSSEC validation on the end nodes. One way of doing that is to run a caching

Re: Looking for dnssec-triggerd alpha testers!

2011-09-22 Thread Dan Williams
On Thu, 2011-09-22 at 14:26 -0400, Paul Wouters wrote: On Thu, 22 Sep 2011, Dan Williams wrote: But I'm not really familiar with unbound. Is it a long-running service? Yes, It's a fully dnssec validating caching resolver. You start it at boot and leave it running. What does its

Re: Looking for dnssec-triggerd alpha testers!

2011-09-22 Thread Dan Williams
On Thu, 2011-09-22 at 22:29 +0200, Tomasz Torcz wrote: On Thu, Sep 22, 2011 at 11:27:41AM -0500, Dan Williams wrote: right. the big problem is not working around a broken network or a network with an attacker. The problem is false positives due to the pletora of hotspot mangling

Re: NetworkManager, openswan and l2tp

2011-08-26 Thread Dan Williams
On Fri, 2011-08-26 at 11:50 -0400, Avesh Agarwal wrote: On 08/26/2011 05:09 AM, Eberhard Schruefer wrote: On 08/25/2011 13:57 -0500, Dan Williams wrote: On Thu, 2011-08-25 at 11:00 +0200, Eberhard Schruefer wrote: Hello, I need to connect to a site via l2tp/openswan. I can set up

Re: NetworkManager, openswan and l2tp

2011-08-25 Thread Dan Williams
On Thu, 2011-08-25 at 11:00 +0200, Eberhard Schruefer wrote: Hello, I need to connect to a site via l2tp/openswan. I can set up openswan and xl2tpd manually and this works fine. However, bringing up the connection is not very comfortable and it would be much nicer to be able to use the

Re: Fwd: Rapid DHCP

2011-08-15 Thread Dan Williams
On Wed, 2011-08-03 at 13:43 -0400, Nathaniel McCallum wrote: On Wed, Aug 3, 2011 at 1:38 PM, Bill McGonigle b...@bfccomputing.com wrote: On 08/03/2011 01:19 PM, Dan Williams wrote: The Ubuntu NM maintainer has posted a WIP patch that makes NM say it's connected immediately if at least one

Re: Fwd: Rapid DHCP

2011-08-03 Thread Dan Williams
On Wed, 2011-08-03 at 00:09 -0700, Adam Williamson wrote: On Tue, 2011-08-02 at 17:12 -0400, Bill McGonigle wrote: On 08/01/2011 07:25 PM, Adam Williamson wrote: It seems like there's SOMETHING which has to happen after wake before NM even attempts to re-establish a connection, and that's

Re: Fwd: Rapid DHCP

2011-08-01 Thread Dan Williams
determine what connection we should be associating with the link as you describe. Dan Nathaniel On Jul 30, 2011 6:45 PM, Dan Williams d...@redhat.com wrote: On Sat, 2011-07-30 at 11:46 -0400, Genes MailLists wrote: On 07/30/2011 10:37 AM, Lennart Poettering wrote: On Sat, 30.07.11 10:31

Re: Rapid DHCP

2011-08-01 Thread Dan Williams
On Sun, 2011-07-31 at 12:25 +0200, Reindl Harald wrote: Am 31.07.2011 12:17, schrieb David Woodhouse: On Sat, 2011-07-30 at 16:37 +0200, Lennart Poettering wrote: IIRC connman (i.e. NM's competition) can do the ARP magic, too. I don't think so. ConnMan doesn't remember the last DHCP

Re: Fwd: Rapid DHCP

2011-08-01 Thread Dan Williams
On Mon, 2011-08-01 at 12:10 -0500, Dan Williams wrote: On Sat, 2011-07-30 at 19:41 -0400, Nathaniel McCallum wrote: Dan, that works on wireless networks. On wired networks the ARP technique determines *which* of the valid leases you should attempt to restore. So on a wired network you

Re: Fwd: Rapid DHCP

2011-07-30 Thread Dan Williams
On Sat, 2011-07-30 at 11:46 -0400, Genes MailLists wrote: On 07/30/2011 10:37 AM, Lennart Poettering wrote: On Sat, 30.07.11 10:31, Genes MailLists (li...@sapience.com) wrote: http://cafbit.com/entry/rapid_dhcp_or_how_do IIRC connman (i.e. NM's competition) can do the ARP magic,

Re: DHCPv6 support in Network Manager isn't RFC compliant

2011-07-29 Thread Dan Williams
On Fri, 2011-07-29 at 16:12 +0200, Tore Anderson wrote: * Paul Wouters Stopping the firewall did not help me on ietf-v6ONLY though. I still got not DNS entry in /etc/resolv.conf and on top of that my routing seemed to not have a working default route. [...] [paul@thinkpad ~]$ ip

Re: systemd: please stop trying to take over the world :)

2011-06-15 Thread Dan Williams
On Wed, 2011-06-15 at 09:40 -0400, Adam Jackson wrote: On Tue, 2011-06-14 at 21:23 -0500, Dan Williams wrote: systemd might be happy if you change it later, but other stuff is not. The canonical example is X, where the hostname was used as the xauth key to allow you to actually talk

Re: systemd: please stop trying to take over the world :)

2011-06-14 Thread Dan Williams
On Tue, 2011-06-14 at 10:21 -0400, Simo Sorce wrote: On Tue, 2011-06-14 at 14:08 +0200, Lennart Poettering wrote: On Tue, 14.06.11 07:25, Simo Sorce (s...@redhat.com) wrote: What's the problem of having a specific hostname set up at boot time ? The user might want to change

Re: NetworkManager to reconnect silently

2011-05-19 Thread Dan Williams
On Thu, 2011-05-19 at 22:10 +0900, Misha Shnurapet wrote: 19.05.2011, 21:12, n2xssvv.g02gfr12930 n2xssvv.g02gfr12...@ntlworld.com: On 19/05/11 09:55, Misha Shnurapet wrote: Hi. I asked this question in NetworkManager mailing list, but everyone there seems to be busy, so I decided

Re: Resetting network devices between ifconfig level and desktop level

2011-05-05 Thread Dan Williams
On Thu, 2011-05-05 at 18:45 +0100, Aaron Gray wrote: On 5 May 2011 16:03, Bill Nottingham nott...@redhat.com wrote: Aaron Gray (aaronngray.li...@gmail.com) said: On 2 May 2011 22:13, Dan Williams d...@redhat.com wrote: On Sat, 2011-04-30 at 17:54 +0100, Aaron Gray wrote: Hope no one

Re: wireless-tools/net-tools are DEPRECATED

2011-05-04 Thread Dan Williams
On Fri, 2011-04-29 at 19:21 -0400, Chuck Anderson wrote: On Fri, Apr 29, 2011 at 12:30:02PM -0500, Dan Williams wrote: Looking at the code, the 4-second delay is only used when the device is actually connected to something. State 3 == DISCONNECTED, state 2 == UNAVAILABLE, so it's

Re: Resetting network devices between ifconfig level and desktop level

2011-05-02 Thread Dan Williams
On Sat, 2011-04-30 at 17:54 +0100, Aaron Gray wrote: Hope no one minds me writing to the devel list but I got no reply on user list. I have got inconsistent eth devices between what Fedora Gnome Desktop is telling me and what ifconfig is telling me and what 'service network restart' is

Re: wireless-tools/net-tools are DEPRECATED

2011-04-29 Thread Dan Williams
On Wed, 2011-04-27 at 23:01 +0200, Tomasz Torcz wrote: On Wed, Apr 27, 2011 at 01:58:57PM -0500, Dan Williams wrote: On Sun, 2011-04-24 at 23:06 +0200, Tomasz Torcz wrote: On Sun, Apr 24, 2011 at 07:10:48PM +0200, Kevin Kofler wrote: Ben Boeckel wrote: One thing I liked a lot

Re: wireless-tools/net-tools are DEPRECATED

2011-04-27 Thread Dan Williams
On Tue, 2011-04-26 at 09:46 -0700, Adam Williamson wrote: On Sun, 2011-04-24 at 16:35 +, Ben Boeckel wrote: deal with in these cases) than some packets were lost. An option to persist connections despite something probably not actually existing would be nice for situations like this.

Re: wireless-tools/net-tools are DEPRECATED

2011-04-27 Thread Dan Williams
On Sun, 2011-04-24 at 23:06 +0200, Tomasz Torcz wrote: On Sun, Apr 24, 2011 at 07:10:48PM +0200, Kevin Kofler wrote: Ben Boeckel wrote: One thing I liked a lot with my ifconfig scripts/wpa_supplicant pairing is that when wireless is spotty, the network doesn't keep going up and down.

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