On Wed, May 7, 2008 at 3:48 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
ubuntu takes packages maintaned externally
Yes. Debian does most of the work, ubuntu polishes a subset of
packages, and then a much smaller subset of packages are software that
Ubuntu develop themselves. Just like us ;-)
We only
Child-safe web filtering on XO
Regardless of its merits, CIPA requires it for XO deployments
in US schools:
Here are the requirements: http://ifea.net/cipa.pdf
The easy way out is child ownership. The requirements only
apply to computers which are owned by schools and libraries.
Probably
Hi Marco,
Can you tell me the olpc xulrunner version which is compatible with Firefox
3 ?
Thanks!
Ankita
On Tue, May 6, 2008 at 9:21 PM, Marco Pesenti Gritti [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
2008/5/6 Ankita Prasad [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
Hi Tomeu,
I am using fedora 7, and I don't want the sugar
Okay, today I have checked whether my projects got moved to the wiki
but now I can see only the second one (and it is not in the wiki either).
Aaron Kaplan wrote:
On May 5, 2008, at 8:38 PM, NoiseEHC wrote:
I have registered on said page but when I click to my projects it
goes to
NoiseEHC wrote:
Okay, today I have checked whether my projects got moved to the wiki
but now I can see only the second one (and it is not in the wiki either).
yes, give me some time to fix this. I will come back to you as soon as I
believe this regression has been fixed.
a.
On 07.05.2008, at 02:03, Michael Stone wrote:
Mikus,
Thanks for trying out the olpc3 buildstream. As you can see, Dennis
Gilmore and I are experimenting with rebasing our software on top of
F-9. There are two current challenges:
1) upstart wants to be pid 1. We reserve pid 1 for our own
On Wed, May 7, 2008 at 12:42 PM, Tomeu Vizoso [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] ~]$ ls
~/.sugar/default/datastore2/01/012beac5-9d4e-477e-848d-d7ef6a731fca/extra_metadata/
preview
Are there still good reasons to keep the preview separate? If I
remember correctly the main reason to
On Wed, May 7, 2008 at 12:42 PM, Tomeu Vizoso [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
- Delta compression and version tracking.
I think it would be interesting to have an estimate of the
work/complexity involved in this. In particular I'd like to understand
how it will affect activities. Do you think it would
On Wed, May 7, 2008 at 12:42 PM, Tomeu Vizoso [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
- Monitor one dir where legacy apps will be allowed to write files to,
and move new files to the datastore along with some default metadata.
Monitoring+moving feels fragile/racy. Did you consider using FUSE for this?
Please remember of the need for file names in the on disk structure
being human readable. The need for interoperability (not just with
Sugar) is key. This wasn't quite clear in your discussion.
- Jim
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On Tue, 6 May 2008, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
ubuntu takes packages maintaned externally and picks what version of each of
those packages to put in the main distro. the versions of these seperate
packages are almost entirely independant of each other. they then do a lot of
testing and some
On Wed, May 07, 2008 at 02:35:07AM -0400, Albert Cahalan wrote:
Child-safe web filtering on XO
Regardless of its merits, CIPA requires it for XO deployments
in US schools:
Here are the requirements: http://ifea.net/cipa.pdf
The easy way out is child ownership. The requirements only
On Wed, May 7, 2008 at 10:56 AM, Marco Pesenti Gritti
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Wed, May 7, 2008 at 12:42 PM, Tomeu Vizoso [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] ~]$ ls
~/.sugar/default/datastore2/01/012beac5-9d4e-477e-848d-d7ef6a731fca/extra_metadata/
preview
Are there
On Wed, May 7, 2008 at 10:59 AM, Marco Pesenti Gritti
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Wed, May 7, 2008 at 12:42 PM, Tomeu Vizoso [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
- Monitor one dir where legacy apps will be allowed to write files to,
and move new files to the datastore along with some default
On Wed, May 7, 2008 at 11:33 AM, Jim Gettys [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Please remember of the need for file names in the on disk structure
being human readable. The need for interoperability (not just with
Sugar) is key. This wasn't quite clear in your discussion.
I was thinking about this
Opnions? ( we get an useful replacement that lacks ... )
- Support for mounting removable datastores. We have agreed on moving
to just list the files in removable devices, without the DS having
anything to do.
I heartily agree with the need for simplification here. Please keep
in mind
2008/5/3 Ricardo Carrano [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
NYC schools use cloaked access points to provide wireless connectivity.
We currently do not support cloaked APs (and ... ok, they hardly provide any
additional security).
From looking through the code, the most elegant supportable solution
seems to
On Wed, 2008-05-07 at 09:17 -0400, Greg DeKoenigsberg wrote:
On Tue, 6 May 2008, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
ubuntu takes packages maintaned externally and picks what version of each
of
those packages to put in the main distro. the versions of these seperate
packages are almost entirely
On Wed, May 7, 2008 at 5:21 AM, Martin Langhoff
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
For example, we may have a sugar build with the latest
sugar UI bits, a security build which implements Bitfrost more
fully, a printers build which works on printer support,
That makes sense if (when) there is
On 07.05.2008, at 19:36, Marco Pesenti Gritti wrote:
I'm not really convinced it should be a separate build. Just ship a
set of core activities and make it really easy to install new ones (we
have already everything in place to do so).
I hate the core activities idea. What are the core
Note that the meat of this proposal was *not* aimed at @laptop.org
employees, who I assume are savvy enough to get appropriate changes
upstream. The real point here was to outline a devel strategy that
would work for 'out of core' changes made by external developers. So
worrying about the
On Wed, May 7, 2008 at 7:49 PM, Bert Freudenberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 07.05.2008, at 19:36, Marco Pesenti Gritti wrote:
I'm not really convinced it should be a separate build. Just ship a
set of core activities and make it really easy to install new ones (we
have already
On Wed, May 7, 2008 at 7:51 PM, C. Scott Ananian [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Note that the meat of this proposal was *not* aimed at @laptop.org
employees, who I assume are savvy enough to get appropriate changes
upstream. The real point here was to outline a devel strategy that
would work for
On Wed, May 7, 2008 at 2:10 PM, C. Scott Ananian [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Wed, May 7, 2008 at 2:00 PM, Marco Pesenti Gritti [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
Well, I think we should provide a set of default activities. And I
think those should include the educational ones. Shipping default
On Wed, May 7, 2008 at 8:10 PM, C. Scott Ananian [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Wed, May 7, 2008 at 2:00 PM, Marco Pesenti Gritti [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
Well, I think we should provide a set of default activities. And I
think those should include the educational ones. Shipping default
*shipping* refers to what leaves the factory in China.
We do not *ship* anything without activities installed.
If you already have a build and you upgrade, you shouldn't lose your
activities (that would be a bug if you did).
If you do a 'cleaninstall' based on the old methods of cleaninstall,
On 07.05.2008, at 20:30, Kim Quirk wrote:
If you already have a build and you upgrade, you shouldn't lose your
activities (that would be a bug if you did).
This is exactly what happens when you upgrade to the latest update.1
build.
- Bert -
On Wed, May 7, 2008 at 2:38 PM, Bert Freudenberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 07.05.2008, at 20:30, Kim Quirk wrote:
If you already have a build and you upgrade, you shouldn't lose your
activities (that would be a bug if you did).
This is exactly what happens when you upgrade to the
On Wed, May 7, 2008 at 10:04 AM, Joshua N Pritikin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
That is totally half-assed. As a parent, I would be pissed off when I
became aware of the quality of such an OLPC web filtering solution.
How about if we place a DansGuardian transparent proxy on a public IP
On May 7, 2008, at 2:19 PM, Eben Eliason wrote:
Dammit, why are we having the discussion again!
We do not *ship* any image or machine with no activities installed.
End of story.
I thought that was exactly what we were doing, and that the only way
to have activities wind up on builds
On Wed, May 7, 2008 at 2:51 PM, John Watlington [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Where we fail to meet expectations is when G1G1 users change
from the old, monolithic, OS + activities to the new, unbundled
OS without hand-holding (installing the G1G1 activity bundle).
And, in fact, last I checked
On 07.05.2008, at 20:57, C. Scott Ananian wrote:
On Wed, May 7, 2008 at 2:51 PM, John Watlington [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
Where we fail to meet expectations is when G1G1 users change
from the old, monolithic, OS + activities to the new, unbundled
OS without hand-holding (installing the
On Wednesday 07 May 2008, Bert Freudenberg wrote:
On 07.05.2008, at 19:36, Marco Pesenti Gritti wrote:
I'm not really convinced it should be a separate build. Just ship a
set of core activities and make it really easy to install new ones (we
have already everything in place to do so).
I
On Wed, May 7, 2008 at 3:11 PM, Bert Freudenberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The update could come with a simple (or even better: obvious) method
to let people get the activities back.
There probably was no time to do this 2 months ago. But in the mean
time, if someone was interested to make
On 07.05.2008, at 21:23, C. Scott Ananian wrote:
On Wed, May 7, 2008 at 3:11 PM, Bert Freudenberg
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The update could come with a simple (or even better: obvious) method
to let people get the activities back.
There probably was no time to do this 2 months ago. But
On 07.05.2008, at 19:54, C. Scott Ananian wrote:
On Wed, May 7, 2008 at 1:49 PM, Bert Freudenberg
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 07.05.2008, at 19:36, Marco Pesenti Gritti wrote:
I'm not really convinced it should be a separate build. Just ship a
set of core activities and make it really
Thanks for your input, Alp!
I've copied the Devel group since there are interested people in this group
who have been working on the Turkish keyboard.
Regards,
Kim
On Wed, May 7, 2008 at 2:13 PM, Alp Simsek [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hello Kim,
Sorry for the late response. I was on a flight
On Wednesday 07 May 2008, Bert Freudenberg wrote:
Well, my trust in OLPC is being probed every other day. I take your
word, and I trust a few other people there, but I also have to
acknowledge that priorities at OLPC are changing. So much so that some
of the people I trusted most are leaving.
On Wed, May 7, 2008 at 1:05 PM, C. Scott Ananian [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
2008/5/3 Ricardo Carrano [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
NYC schools use cloaked access points to provide wireless connectivity.
We currently do not support cloaked APs (and ... ok, they hardly provide
any
additional security).
On Wed, 7 May 2008 21:34:15 +0200
Bert Freudenberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 07.05.2008, at 19:54, C. Scott Ananian wrote:
On Wed, May 7, 2008 at 1:49 PM, Bert Freudenberg
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 07.05.2008, at 19:36, Marco Pesenti Gritti wrote:
I'm not really convinced it
On 07.05.2008, at 21:46, Dennis Gilmore wrote:
On Wednesday 07 May 2008, Bert Freudenberg wrote:
Well, my trust in OLPC is being probed every other day. I take your
word, and I trust a few other people there, but I also have to
acknowledge that priorities at OLPC are changing. So much so
[Already sent to Cahalan, forgot to CC devel]
On Wed, May 07, 2008 at 02:51:27PM -0400, Albert Cahalan wrote:
On Wed, May 7, 2008 at 10:04 AM, Joshua N Pritikin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
That is totally half-assed. As a parent, I would be pissed off when I
became aware of the quality of
On Wed, May 7, 2008 at 4:09 PM, Joshua N Pritikin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
[Already sent to Cahalan, forgot to CC devel]
On Wed, May 07, 2008 at 02:51:27PM -0400, Albert Cahalan wrote:
On Wed, May 7, 2008 at 10:04 AM, Joshua N Pritikin [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
That is totally
On 07.05.2008, at 22:11, C. Scott Ananian wrote:
And it's certainly no coincidence that the list of activities in
olpc3
is what Kim wanted in ticket 6598. You certainly remember the
discussions.
You're on crack, Bert. *None* of the activities listed in 6598 are in
the core build.
On Wed, May 07, 2008 at 04:17:04PM -0400, Eben Eliason wrote:
On Wed, May 7, 2008 at 4:09 PM, Joshua N Pritikin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
That doesn't mean it's a good idea to allow them to read filthy stories.
It's one thing to comply with the law, but we should try to comply with
the
On Wed, May 7, 2008 at 4:24 PM, Joshua N Pritikin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Wed, May 07, 2008 at 04:17:04PM -0400, Eben Eliason wrote:
On Wed, May 7, 2008 at 4:09 PM, Joshua N Pritikin [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
That doesn't mean it's a good idea to allow them to read filthy stories.
On Wednesday 07 May 2008, Bert Freudenberg wrote:
On 07.05.2008, at 22:11, C. Scott Ananian wrote:
And it's certainly no coincidence that the list of activities in
olpc3
is what Kim wanted in ticket 6598. You certainly remember the
discussions.
You're on crack, Bert. *None* of the
John Watlington wrote:
The XO has a good reason for existance (MLJ's display, and attention
to low power design).
I agree. We had 1-2 years advantage over the others, and some
kickass researchers in house.
Ignoring the fact that most of the new low-cost laptops require
much more power
On Wed, May 7, 2008 at 4:22 PM, Bert Freudenberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 07.05.2008, at 22:11, C. Scott Ananian wrote:
And it's certainly no coincidence that the list of activities in
olpc3
is what Kim wanted in ticket 6598. You certainly remember the
discussions.
On Wed, May 7, 2008 at 3:04 PM, C. Scott Ananian [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Wed, May 7, 2008 at 4:22 PM, Bert Freudenberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 07.05.2008, at 22:11, C. Scott Ananian wrote:
And it's certainly no coincidence that the list of activities in
olpc3
is
On 07.05.2008, at 23:04, C. Scott Ananian wrote:
On Wed, May 7, 2008 at 4:22 PM, Bert Freudenberg
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 07.05.2008, at 22:11, C. Scott Ananian wrote:
And it's certainly no coincidence that the list of activities in
olpc3
is what Kim wanted in ticket 6598. You
Dennis, David,
There is right now something that I am having trouble understanding
how it's done - related to kernel packaging. Is there any
documentation on how the RH team manages kernels with additional
patches?
All I can find is tips to manage the patches as patches, but that is
so oldstyle.
On Wed, May 7, 2008 at 5:30 PM, Stephen John Smoogen [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
This is something I remember coming up a lot back when Red Hat first
started putting out Rawhide. We would get lots of tickets from people
who would install it and expect it to a) work and b) be supported.
This was
Where we fail to meet expectations is when G1G1 users change
from the old, monolithic, OS + activities to the new, unbundled
OS without hand-holding (installing the G1G1 activity bundle).
And, in fact, last I checked our Wiki had the correct instructions for
doing an upgrade w/o losing
On Thu, May 8, 2008 at 8:56 AM, Bernie Innocenti [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Ignoring the fact that most of the new low-cost laptops require
much more power ---
The EEE PC I have just bought heats up in the bag when suspended...
and seems to have a noisy fan inside.
Yes. Suspend eats up a
On Wed, May 7, 2008 at 4:11 PM, C. Scott Ananian [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Wed, May 7, 2008 at 3:34 PM, Bert Freudenberg [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
On 07.05.2008, at 19:54, C. Scott Ananian wrote:
On Wed, May 7, 2008 at 1:49 PM, Bert Freudenberg
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Well, my
2008/5/7 Steve Holton [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
Case in point, it bugs me when the wiki documents features of versions which
haven't been released yet, or declares a problem fixed because some later,
as yet unreleased version no longer shows the problem.
Well, it's correct to document features of
2008/5/7 Samuel Klein [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
On Wed, May 7, 2008 at 4:11 PM, C. Scott Ananian [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Wed, May 7, 2008 at 3:34 PM, Bert Freudenberg [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
On 07.05.2008, at 19:54, C. Scott Ananian wrote:
On Wed, May 7, 2008 at 1:49 PM, Bert
On Wed, May 7, 2008 at 7:27 PM, Bernie Innocenti [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Martin Langhoff wrote:
Yes. Suspend eats up a ton of battery on mine. I don't think they
spent significant engineering time on power mgmt on the board there -
which is a major disappointment :-(
Is the
2008/5/6 John Watlington [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
The XO has a good reason for existance (MLJ's display, and attention to low
power design).
I'm just curious. I was wondering if you have a pointer to specific
data about the MLJ display like exact specs on power consumption,
brightness,
http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Display
...and several pointers to further info in the reference section at the end
On Wed, May 7, 2008 at 8:00 PM, Jaya Kumar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
2008/5/6 John Watlington [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
The XO has a good reason for existance (MLJ's display, and
On Wed, May 7, 2008 at 9:41 PM, Edward Cherlin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
2008/5/7 Samuel Klein [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
It never hurts to be paranoid, but the educational priorities of our
tool
and software development are not changing. There are priorities that
have
not been effectively
On Wed, May 7, 2008 at 8:08 PM, Carol Lerche [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Display
...and several pointers to further info in the reference section at the end
Thanks Carol. Some of the data was there. Appended ?? marks the info I
haven't been able to fill in yet.
MLJ
2008/5/8 Dennis Gilmore [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
the next joyride build and olpc3 build will only install Journal.
Could you explain more background about the change to joyride? (I
wouldn't care about olpc3 at this time)
For activity developers Joyride has been:
1) staging environment before adding
On Wednesday 07 May 2008, Chris Ball wrote:
Hi,
the next joyride build and olpc3 build will only install Journal.
Oh, yuck. What's the recommended way for developers to install the
activities, then? I don't think we're ready for this step -- the
reason we still had all the activities
On Wed, May 07, 2008 at 11:54:30PM -0500, Dennis Gilmore wrote:
Using the customisation key or one of the scripts floating around to
install an activity bundle. they will be installed in /home then and
its a one time deal.
Yah, developers should eat their own dogfood.
- Single Sign On - Moodle will probably be the main SSO point, with
MediaWiki and other tools either reading the SSO credentials from
Moodle (via OpenID?) or directly off the client.
Surely it makes more sense to use LDAP for single sign on, as it is
supported by moodle and many more
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On Wed, May 7, 2008 at 3:38 PM, John Watlington [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I went into the xs/testing/updates/7/i386 repo, restored the 686 versions
of the kernel, and did a createrepo
That's cheating ;-) I was actually wondering about the module build ;-)
I would suggest not using forwarders
On May 7, 2008, at 10:28 PM, Martin Langhoff wrote:
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Greetings from New York.
G'day mate from New Zealand!
Although the short hostname, schoolserver, has stayed the same,
the domain
has changed from 00b000.nycboe.org to
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