gcompris activities regression

2008-09-26 Thread Marco Pesenti Gritti
Hello, I managed to track it down to this change in joyride 2421: -libxml2.i386 0:2.6.32-3.fc9 +libxml2.i386 0:2.7.1-1.fc9 I cannot say without debugging it further if it's gcompris or libxml2 fault. I added Bruno in cc, which might know better. More info and a trace in the ticket: http://dev.

Re: 764 is imminent

2008-09-26 Thread Marco Pesenti Gritti
On Fri, Sep 26, 2008 at 3:30 AM, Eben Eliason <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Yup, we were getting several reports that kids accidentally pressed > keys while at the Home screen (which auto-focuses the search field.).. Did we actually get reports from kids about this? There is a bug which causes key

Re: [sugar] Supporting desktop applications, extending the EWMH spec

2008-09-25 Thread Marco Pesenti Gritti
On Fri, Sep 19, 2008 at 10:37 PM, C. Scott Ananian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > My > feeling is that metacity will be hard to upstream patches to, and it > would be more work to get working 'right', since it's pretty much > designed *not* to be extensible. I tend to think metacity upstream might t

Re: cerebro's memory usage

2008-09-23 Thread Marco Pesenti Gritti
761 and 762 have been released shortly after your mail. If you want to get in a new cerebro, you need to open a ticket, set his action to "Approve for release" and provide a changelog. This must be documented somewhere on the wiki but I can't find it right now. Marco On Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 3:18

Re: New joyride build 2462

2008-09-20 Thread Marco Pesenti Gritti
On Sat, Sep 20, 2008 at 2:05 PM, Build Announcer v2 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > http://xs-dev.laptop.org/~cscott/olpc/streams/joyride/build2462 > > Changes in build 2462 from build: 2458 > > Size delta: 0.13M > > -sugar 0.82.7-1.olpc3 > +sugar 0.82.8-1.olpc3 > -sugar-toolkit 0.82.8-2.olpc3 > +suga

Re: G1G1v2 Activities

2008-09-20 Thread Marco Pesenti Gritti
On Sat, Sep 20, 2008 at 4:02 AM, Gary C Martin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 19 Sep 2008, at 22:50, C. Scott Ananian wrote: > >> On Thu, Sep 18, 2008 at 10:01 PM, Gary C Martin >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> However, any hints would be much appreciated as to what this last >>> remaining setup.

Re: [sugar] Supporting desktop applications, extending the EWMH spec

2008-09-19 Thread Marco Pesenti Gritti
On Sat, Sep 20, 2008 at 1:26 AM, C. Scott Ananian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Scratch that, I lied... I hope the freedesktop spec is flexible enough >> to implement our kind of UI feedback. > > I read the spec, it seemed sane. Proof will be in the implementation, > though, of course. Yeah... Re

Re: [sugar] Supporting desktop applications, extending the EWMH spec

2008-09-19 Thread Marco Pesenti Gritti
On Sat, Sep 20, 2008 at 1:16 AM, Marco Pesenti Gritti <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Sat, Sep 20, 2008 at 1:10 AM, Marco Pesenti Gritti > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> And, of course, I >>> wanted to switch sugar to using the standard X activity startup

Re: [sugar] Supporting desktop applications, extending the EWMH spec

2008-09-19 Thread Marco Pesenti Gritti
On Sat, Sep 20, 2008 at 1:10 AM, Marco Pesenti Gritti <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> And, of course, I >> wanted to switch sugar to using the standard X activity startup >> notification mechanism, and the standard desktop notification >> mechanism. > > I&#

Re: [sugar] Supporting desktop applications, extending the EWMH spec

2008-09-19 Thread Marco Pesenti Gritti
On Fri, Sep 19, 2008 at 10:37 PM, C. Scott Ananian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The main changes required, I think, would actually be to the shell > code to make it happy running on a root window. There's some > reparenting magic that's done to make that work right; I'm not sure what you mean exa

Re: [sugar] Supporting desktop applications, extending the EWMH spec

2008-09-19 Thread Marco Pesenti Gritti
On Fri, Sep 19, 2008 at 9:43 PM, C. Scott Ananian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Well, if there's only one window, and it's "stretchable", then your > decision is easy. > If it requests a fixed size, then you should probably decorate and > float all the windows. I could also see floating all fixed s

Re: [sugar] Supporting desktop applications, extending the EWMH spec

2008-09-19 Thread Marco Pesenti Gritti
On Fri, Sep 19, 2008 at 9:26 PM, C. Scott Ananian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I think you are confusing the role of the Window Manager. When I run > sugar under metacity, I don't *want* my activities to be full screen. > When I use a windowing wm, I expect them to be in (decorated) windows. Yeah

Re: [sugar] Supporting desktop applications, extending the EWMH spec

2008-09-19 Thread Marco Pesenti Gritti
On Fri, Sep 19, 2008 at 8:28 PM, Benjamin M. Schwartz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > | I just thought of a worst problem with the FULLSCREEN approach. > | FULLSCREEN windows are always on the top of NORMAL windows. > > Why is this a problem? When do we need an Activity to be visible, > full-screen,

Re: [sugar] Supporting desktop applications, extending the EWMH spec

2008-09-19 Thread Marco Pesenti Gritti
On Fri, Sep 19, 2008 at 8:55 PM, Marco Pesenti Gritti <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Fri, Sep 19, 2008 at 8:30 PM, Bobby Powers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Are we set on moving to metacity? I remember murmurs of using xmonad, >> as well as another wm I can't

Re: [sugar] Supporting desktop applications, extending the EWMH spec

2008-09-19 Thread Marco Pesenti Gritti
On Fri, Sep 19, 2008 at 8:30 PM, Bobby Powers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Are we set on moving to metacity? I remember murmurs of using xmonad, > as well as another wm I can't remember the name of. Are these > stacking/hinting problems common to all window mangers, or just > metacity? They are

Re: [sugar] Supporting desktop applications, extending the EWMH spec

2008-09-19 Thread Marco Pesenti Gritti
On Fri, Sep 19, 2008 at 12:13 AM, Benjamin M. Schwartz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Let's keep thinking about this. For example, I wonder what Metacity does > to a window that is both _NET_WM_STATE_FULLSCREEN and > _NET_WM_STATE_BELOW? Does it stack it below the Frame, if the Frame is > _NET_WM_

Re: G1G1v2 Activities

2008-09-19 Thread Marco Pesenti Gritti
On Fri, Sep 19, 2008 at 1:10 PM, Gary C Martin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > So I should keep both in my activity.info for backwards compatibility with > early builds? This was change *long* time ago. I suspect your activity would not work for other reasons if run with such an old Sugar. Marco ___

Re: G1G1v2 Activities

2008-09-19 Thread Marco Pesenti Gritti
On Fri, Sep 19, 2008 at 4:01 AM, Gary C Martin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I'm showing my age here, but is bundle_id a replacement for > service_name? Seem to be identical. Yeah, service_name is deprecated but they are basically the same thing. bundlebuilder should probably warn about it. Marco

Re: [sugar] Supporting desktop applications, extending the EWMH spec

2008-09-18 Thread Marco Pesenti Gritti
On Fri, Sep 19, 2008 at 12:13 AM, Benjamin M. Schwartz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > Marco Pesenti Gritti wrote: > | On Thu, Sep 18, 2008 at 11:34 PM, Benjamin M. Schwartz > | <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > |>

Re: testing 8.2 using qemu

2008-09-18 Thread Marco Pesenti Gritti
On Thu, Sep 18, 2008 at 11:54 PM, Michael Stone <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Thu, Sep 18, 2008 at 05:13:35PM -0300, Gabriel Eirea wrote: >>Second issue: a very simple question, what does >>$SUGAR_ACTIVITY_ROOT/data mean? and how can I put the configuration >>files there when I pack the bundle? >

Re: [sugar] Supporting desktop applications, extending the EWMH spec

2008-09-18 Thread Marco Pesenti Gritti
On Thu, Sep 18, 2008 at 11:34 PM, Benjamin M. Schwartz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > In summary, I believe we can safely move to a lightly patched Metacity > while tagging our windows purely according to the EWMH. That would mean to make Sugar impossible to use on a standard distribution. Marco __

Re: [sugar] Supporting desktop applications, extending the EWMH spec

2008-09-18 Thread Marco Pesenti Gritti
On Thu, Sep 18, 2008 at 11:02 PM, Sayamindu Dasgupta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Some of our activities have a separate fullscreen mode. Take a look at > the two screenshots of record: > > Fullscreen: > http://dev.laptop.org/~sayamindu/sugar_metacity/Captura%20de%20pantalla_1.png > Normal: > htt

Re: [sugar] Supporting desktop applications, extending the EWMH spec

2008-09-18 Thread Marco Pesenti Gritti
On Thu, Sep 18, 2008 at 10:07 PM, Sayamindu Dasgupta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >a) applications like firefox will need to be modified so that they set >the _NET_WM_WINDOW_TYPE_APPLICATION hint (ideally we would like to run >the applications unmodified). The idea would be that applications would j

Trac screwage (7579)

2008-09-17 Thread Marco Pesenti Gritti
I tried to move several tickets on it from blocking to blocked by, but it looks like I confused trac. It started backtracing and now each of the dependent bugs has stale information. Can someone with trac foo fix it up? Or should we just recreate the tracker? This sucks mainly because it breaks rep

Free mem on joyride 2444 (was Re: Almost 50% less free memory in joyride-2302 compared with Update.1 (708))

2008-09-16 Thread Marco Pesenti Gritti
On Fri, Aug 22, 2008 at 1:47 PM, James Cameron <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I've 703 and 2311 available to compare. Here's a few things I found. > > -- > > A test to compare available memory by eliminating buffer cache. > > Method: boot, wait for UI to be stable, switch to text console, echo 3 > >

Re: Stability and Memory Pressure in 8.2

2008-09-14 Thread Marco Pesenti Gritti
On Sun, Sep 14, 2008 at 6:42 AM, James Cameron <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I recall someone noticed that the animated activity icon was redrawing > the whole screen. I think it got fixed. Since it got fixed, I haven't > seen as many OOMs during olpc-update. It was not fixed. http://dev.laptop.

Re: New joyride build 2413

2008-09-11 Thread Marco Pesenti Gritti
Intentional? Marco On Wed, Sep 10, 2008 at 8:09 AM, Build Announcer v2 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > http://xs-dev.laptop.org/~cscott/olpc/streams/joyride/build2413 > > Changes in build 2413 from build: 2412 > > Size delta: -70.91M > > -olpc-library-core 1-26 > > -- > This mail was automatical

Re: Stability and Memory Pressure in 8.2

2008-09-10 Thread Marco Pesenti Gritti
On Wed, Sep 10, 2008 at 4:29 AM, Gary C Martin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Well, I was hoping to see the numbers go the other way with the > rainbow fork trick sharing more module code between Activities. Could > be worse I guess – I should also test opening N instances of the same > Activity and

Re: Stability and Memory Pressure in 8.2

2008-09-10 Thread Marco Pesenti Gritti
On Wed, Sep 10, 2008 at 4:29 AM, Gary C Martin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > OK, news is not great on the Activity front... > > SUMMARY: 759 vs 711 each Activity instance in 759 consumes an average > of 1Mb more memory than the same Activity running in 711, with > Write-57 reportedly taking signif

Re: Stability and Memory Pressure in 8.2

2008-09-09 Thread Marco Pesenti Gritti
numpy will still work fine for activities. Marco On Tue, Sep 9, 2008 at 10:52 PM, Mikus Grinbergs <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Remove numpy usage from the shell > > I have not been following this thread - but: > > There were several Activities (not just Measure) which used > 'numeric'. Then 'nu

Re: Stability and Memory Pressure in 8.2

2008-09-09 Thread Marco Pesenti Gritti
A couple of low risk fixes which could save ~6 mb at startup: Remove numpy usage from the shell http://dev.laptop.org/ticket/8372 (has patch) gst usage in the shell wastes 2.6mb http://dev.laptop.org/ticket/8375 Marco ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists

Help activity content

2008-09-08 Thread Marco Pesenti Gritti
Hello, the deadline for the Help activity content was yesterday. http://dev.laptop.org/ticket/7526#comment:9 Is it available? If not, what should we do? Marco ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel

Re: Sucrose 0.82.1 Stable Release

2008-09-06 Thread Marco Pesenti Gritti
On Sat, Sep 6, 2008 at 3:30 AM, S Page <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >> the sugar team released another stable Sucrose release 0.82.1 [1]. > > Will this be in OLPC release 8.2.0, Yup, it will. It's already in the latest 8.2 build. > or does the name 0.82.1 imply it's > for

Re: [sugar] Trac ticket workflow updates.

2008-09-04 Thread Marco Pesenti Gritti
On Thu, Sep 4, 2008 at 2:27 AM, Michael Stone <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Friends, > > As we wind down toward the end of the 8.2.0 release cycle (and begin to > tighten our change control), we must make a few tweaks to the Trac > ticket workflow. I have written up the new workflow in great detail

Freeze?

2008-09-03 Thread Marco Pesenti Gritti
According to the schedule we are freezing today: http://wiki.laptop.org/go/8.2.0#Schedule But Michael mentioned there might be delays yesterday... Please announce the freeze when it is in effect, until then I guess I'll keep approving things to go in the 8.2 as usual. Marco

Re: How to get packages on the 8.2 branch?

2008-09-03 Thread Marco Pesenti Gritti
On Tue, Sep 2, 2008 at 8:54 PM, C. Scott Ananian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I'll do a trac search > for bugs assigned to "add to build" and milestone "8.2.0" before I > make a stable build. For Sugar we normally we have multiple fixed tickets which maps to the same package. Should we give you an

Re: How to get packages on the 8.2 branch?

2008-08-31 Thread Marco Pesenti Gritti
On Sat, Aug 30, 2008 at 3:52 PM, C. Scott Ananian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Fri, Aug 29, 2008 at 5:55 PM, Marco Pesenti Gritti > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> What do we need to do to get packages on the stable 8.2 branch? > > That's a good question. I as

Re: Write Collaboration - what is known to work / what is not?

2008-08-30 Thread Marco Pesenti Gritti
Martin Langhoff wrote: > We've had a few attempts to share Write ( > http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Write ) with the Wellington test crowd, and > there are a number of cases that don't seem to work well, but I'm not > sure what the state of things is, and what is expected to work. The > Wiki page doesn'

How to get packages on the 8.2 branch?

2008-08-29 Thread Marco Pesenti Gritti
What do we need to do to get packages on the stable 8.2 branch? Thanks. Marco ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel

Re: Blocks? and bug 8090

2008-08-29 Thread Marco Pesenti Gritti
On Wed, Aug 27, 2008 at 7:15 PM, Gary C Martin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi Eben, > > On 27 Aug 2008, at 15:52, Eben Eliason wrote: > >> It's not really an issue of speed. The launcher in current joyrides >> has a half-dozen serious behavioral bugs. I worked with Marco to >> create a patch for

Re: Blocks? and bug 8090

2008-08-27 Thread Marco Pesenti Gritti
Greg Smith wrote: > Hi Marco, > > Reading the "Blocks?" bugs this morning: http://dev.laptop.org/report/29 > > I noticed that we can get a lot of them off the list if we can close > or defer 8090. > > Where are we with activity launching? Is it good enough and we have > the main issues ironed out

Re: XO activity bundle .info format

2008-08-26 Thread Marco Pesenti Gritti
Douglas Bagnall wrote: > In the course of making an activity server for the XS, I have looked > at the activity.info files of 114 bundles from > http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Activities. One (Berkeley Logo) turned out > not to be a bundle at all, and otherwise the tags I found were: > > name

Re: Write cannot handle Composed dead characters

2008-08-24 Thread Marco Pesenti Gritti
On Sun, Aug 24, 2008 at 10:58 AM, Sayamindu Dasgupta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Yes indeed - in that case, it does work (I removed > /etc/olpc-security). I also noticed that before I removed > olpc-security, I had to set the font manually, now I don't need to do > this. (Some interaction problems

Re: Which stream to test for 8.2 or have we officially branched now?

2008-08-23 Thread Marco Pesenti Gritti
C. Scott Ananian wrote: > Michael and I have been working on creating an acceptable 8.2 test > candidate. There have been 8.2-753, 8.2-754, 8.2-755, and 8.2-756 > builds, but none of them have (so far) made it through initial QA here > at 1cc. In particular, we tried to turn of X shared memory in

Re: Write cannot handle Composed dead characters

2008-08-23 Thread Marco Pesenti Gritti
Sayamindu Dasgupta wrote: > On Sat, Aug 23, 2008 at 10:49 PM, Khaled Hosny <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> On Sat, Aug 23, 2008 at 10:45:11PM +0530, Sayamindu Dasgupta wrote: >> >>> Hello, >>> It looks like Write is unable to handle Composed dead characters, at >>> least for the Amharic key

Re: Cerebro (was Re: Almost 50% less free memory in joyride-2302 compared with Update.1 (708))

2008-08-23 Thread Marco Pesenti Gritti
On Sat, Aug 23, 2008 at 3:09 PM, C. Scott Ananian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Sat, Aug 23, 2008 at 5:16 AM, Marco Pesenti Gritti > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Cerebro is running there for some reason (I've seen it in another bug >> report already). I can&

Re: Almost 50% less free memory in joyride-2302 compared with Update.1 (708)

2008-08-23 Thread Marco Pesenti Gritti
On Fri, Aug 22, 2008 at 1:47 PM, James Cameron <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I also tried using ps_mem.py to compare memory used by processes, but > the method that ps_mem.py uses has changed as a result of kernel change. > > http://dev.laptop.org/~quozl/2008-08-22-ps-mem/ has the samples that I > t

Re: Almost 50% less free memory in joyride-2302 compared with Update.1 (708)

2008-08-23 Thread Marco Pesenti Gritti
On Fri, Aug 22, 2008 at 1:47 PM, James Cameron <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I've 703 and 2311 available to compare. Here's a few things I found. > > -- > > A test to compare available memory by eliminating buffer cache. > > Method: boot, wait for UI to be stable, switch to text console, echo 3 > >

Cerebro (was Re: Almost 50% less free memory in joyride-2302 compared with Update.1 (708))

2008-08-23 Thread Marco Pesenti Gritti
On Fri, Aug 22, 2008 at 1:47 PM, James Cameron <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I also tried using ps_mem.py to compare memory used by processes, but > the method that ps_mem.py uses has changed as a result of kernel change. > > http://dev.laptop.org/~quozl/2008-08-22-ps-mem/ has the samples that I > t

Re: 8.2.0 Status

2008-08-13 Thread Marco Pesenti Gritti
Marco Pesenti Gritti wrote: > Greg Smith wrote: >> Also, Kim and I (sometimes with Michael and Jim) read 50 - 75 bugs a >> day and either push them out or mark them blockers. We started at id >> 7500 and hope to catch the tip of the spear by Friday or before. >>

Re: 8.2.0 Status

2008-08-13 Thread Marco Pesenti Gritti
Greg Smith wrote: > Also, Kim and I (sometimes with Michael and Jim) read 50 - 75 bugs a day > and either push them out or mark them blockers. We started at id 7500 > and hope to catch the tip of the spear by Friday or before. > Let me just note that processes are much more likely to be used

Re: Another sugar rant

2008-08-06 Thread Marco Pesenti Gritti
Neil Graham wrote: > Sorry if this post irritates some of you. I'm not usually a mailing list > ranter, but the olpc project is something that I think is really quite > important for the world. > It doesn't irritate me but... it doesn't even tell me what you don't like about the UI :( Ma

Re: sugar.logger.logging.getLogger()

2008-08-05 Thread Marco Pesenti Gritti
Is this on the XO? Have a look to /home/olpc/.xsession-sample. Debug logs are off by default. Marco 2008/8/5 victor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > I used to be able to write to the logs using > > self.logger = sugar.logger.logging.getLogger() > self.logger.debug("hey") > > But now none of the messages ap

Re: missing shared library aliases

2008-08-05 Thread Marco Pesenti Gritti
Brian Harvey wrote: > I'm trying to build a static wxWidgets library on the XO (for use with > the ucblogo project), and it works, except that certain shared libraries > are (at least on my XO) missing aliases that exist on my office Linux PC. > For example, I have a file named > /usr/lib/lib

Re: Difference between Sugar-Launch and launching from the ring

2008-08-01 Thread Marco Pesenti Gritti
On Fri, Aug 1, 2008 at 11:35 PM, Alex Levenson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > In the Terminal Activity, from any directory. Usually from the activity's > directory, but it works from anywhere (I've tried). Do you have the same problem with other activities? If so please open a ticket about this. Ma

Re: Difference between Sugar-Launch and launching from the ring

2008-08-01 Thread Marco Pesenti Gritti
Alex Levenson wrote: > Hello, > > I'm writing a physics problem solving game: http://wiki.laptop.org/go/X2o > > It runs fine when I launch it from the command line (Terminal Activity > as user olpc) via sugar-launch. It works regardless of the current > working directory. > > But, it hangs when I

Re: activity bar

2008-08-01 Thread Marco Pesenti Gritti
Victor Lazzarini wrote: > Now, another bit of info I can't find in Walter's minimalist draft > for the updated > Sugar is how access newly created activities, which I have put in the > ~/Activities together with the rest. > > The 'list' view only gives me the installed activities, which is no use

Re: Trac default milestone

2008-07-31 Thread Marco Pesenti Gritti
Michael Stone wrote: > On Thu, Jul 31, 2008 at 08:21:23PM +0200, Marco Pesenti Gritti wrote: >> Because I'm not confident someone will regularly take care of >> assigning the not-specified tickets, and I don't want lose useful >> bug reports because of that. I&#x

Re: Trac default milestone

2008-07-31 Thread Marco Pesenti Gritti
Michael Stone wrote: > On Thu, Jul 31, 2008 at 06:53:26PM +0200, Marco Pesenti Gritti wrote: >> On Tue, Jul 29, 2008 at 2:52 AM, Marco Pesenti Gritti >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> Also I'm not convinced "not specified" as default component is a good

Re: Trac default milestone

2008-07-31 Thread Marco Pesenti Gritti
On Thu, Jul 31, 2008 at 7:06 PM, Michael Stone <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I'm don't feel strongly either way but it's clearly important to Marco. > My concern is that we have a lot of unresponsive module maintainers. The only way to get around the unresponsive maintainers problems is to get othe

Re: Trac default milestone

2008-07-31 Thread Marco Pesenti Gritti
On Tue, Jul 29, 2008 at 2:52 AM, Marco Pesenti Gritti <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Also I'm not convinced "not specified" as default component is a good > idea, unless we have someone taking care of triaging that component. Can we go back to require the submitter to p

Re: Trac default milestone

2008-07-31 Thread Marco Pesenti Gritti
On Mon, Jul 28, 2008 at 11:38 PM, Marco Pesenti Gritti <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Trac default milestone is currently 8.2. Is that a good idea? We are > trying to punt down the Sugar 8.2 bugs, but with these default the > list keep growing. I'd prefer to go through the list

Re: Trac default milestone

2008-07-28 Thread Marco Pesenti Gritti
Also I'm not convinced "not specified" as default component is a good idea, unless we have someone taking care of triaging that component. Marco On Mon, Jul 28, 2008 at 11:38 PM, Marco Pesenti Gritti <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Trac default milestone is currently 8.2.

Trac default milestone

2008-07-28 Thread Marco Pesenti Gritti
Trac default milestone is currently 8.2. Is that a good idea? We are trying to punt down the Sugar 8.2 bugs, but with these default the list keep growing. I'd prefer to go through the list of unassigned bugs every few days and make 8.2 only those that really needs to be... Marco __

External contributions (Re: [sugar] Remarks on the Work of Sugar)

2008-07-23 Thread Marco Pesenti Gritti
On Wed, Jul 23, 2008 at 11:33 AM, Simon Schampijer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Martin Dengler wrote: > Sure, some guidance is needed. I hope we have done a decent job to guide you > to the > places to provide your great fixes :) > > for example: > http://dev.laptop.org/git?p=sugar;a=commit;h=4030

Re: [sugar] Remarks on the Work of Sugar

2008-07-23 Thread Marco Pesenti Gritti
On Wed, Jul 23, 2008 at 6:56 AM, Polychronis Ypodimatopoulos <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On the other hand, circumventing the > layers altogether has not been an option either as it would brake > "backwards compatibility" with existing activities (Sugar is a two-year > old experimental project an

Re: Remarks on the Work of Sugar

2008-07-23 Thread Marco Pesenti Gritti
On Wed, Jul 23, 2008 at 7:56 AM, Michael Stone <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > [2]: I consider web-browsers and Unix shells to be "fluent translators" > for the programmers who I expect to be hacking on Sugar as opposed to > the dbus-introspection tools which currently seem to me to be like > "novice

Re: [sugar] Remarks on the Work of Sugar

2008-07-22 Thread Marco Pesenti Gritti
On Wed, Jul 23, 2008 at 3:14 AM, Martin Langhoff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Michael's analysis is useful inasmuch we can read it going forward. As > Michael, I wasn't here 2 years ago, but I have been on the ground on > many projects under tight deadlines. It's not helpful to pontificate > on the

Re: [sugar] Remarks on the Work of Sugar

2008-07-22 Thread Marco Pesenti Gritti
On Wed, Jul 23, 2008 at 2:46 AM, Michael Stone <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I disagree because I think that the approach we have taken has made it > much harder for others to help us. For a project like Sugar, this > ultimately results is less software of less quality in the same > timeframe. At le

Re: Remarks on the Work of Sugar

2008-07-22 Thread Marco Pesenti Gritti
On Wed, Jul 23, 2008 at 1:49 AM, Michael Stone <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > After mild provocation, Marco and Tomeu asked me to publish some of my > reactions to sugar's architecture, design, and implementation. Here are > a few initial comments. > > 1) Sugar could better hold contributors if it (a

Re: [IAEP] Sucrose 0.81.5 Development Release

2008-07-22 Thread Marco Pesenti Gritti
On Tue, Jul 22, 2008 at 6:22 PM, Korakurider <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Wed, Jul 23, 2008 at 12:06 AM, Simon Schampijer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> The new Sucrose 0.81.5 Development Release is out! >> >> This is Release Candidate 1. Now we have one more release to go before code >> freeze

Re: gnome-vfs2 / GConf2 / dbus

2008-07-21 Thread Marco Pesenti Gritti
On Mon, Jul 21, 2008 at 8:36 PM, Sayamindu Dasgupta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Tue, Jul 22, 2008 at 12:03 AM, Jim Gettys <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> On Mon, 2008-07-21 at 20:25 +0200, Marco Pesenti Gritti wrote: >>> On Mon, Jul 21, 2008 at 8:16 PM, Jim Ge

Re: gnome-vfs2 / GConf2 / dbus

2008-07-21 Thread Marco Pesenti Gritti
On Mon, Jul 21, 2008 at 8:16 PM, Jim Gettys <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > In general, gnome is moving away from Bonobo/Orbit toward dbus based > messaging. Yeah, there is no plan yet (that I know of) to replace GConf with something dbus based though :( Marco __

Re: gnome-vfs2 / GConf2 / dbus

2008-07-21 Thread Marco Pesenti Gritti
On Mon, Jul 21, 2008 at 7:59 PM, Daniel Drake <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Mon, 2008-07-21 at 13:28 -0400, Jim Gettys wrote: >> The bonobo-activation-server likes to chew up 40mb (of RAM), for doing >> almost nothing. > > ORBit doesn't appear to depend on any bonobo components. And we've > succe

Re: gnome-vfs2 / GConf2 / dbus

2008-07-21 Thread Marco Pesenti Gritti
On Mon, Jul 21, 2008 at 7:03 PM, Daniel Drake <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Mon, 2008-07-21 at 19:00 +0200, Marco Pesenti Gritti wrote: >> > I guess GConf2-dbus provides an equivalent interface to the GConf2 >> > package and hence is a drop-in replacement. >>

Re: gnome-vfs2 / GConf2 / dbus

2008-07-21 Thread Marco Pesenti Gritti
On Mon, Jul 21, 2008 at 6:56 PM, Daniel Drake <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Wed, 2008-07-16 at 19:54 +0200, Marco Pesenti Gritti wrote: >> In update.1 we shipped the DBus version of gnome-vfs2 (Nokia patches) >> which didn't bring ORBit in. I'm not sure if that

Re: [sugar] Autosave in 8.2.0?

2008-07-20 Thread Marco Pesenti Gritti
On Sun, Jul 20, 2008 at 5:44 PM, Bert Freudenberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Thanks for not answering, Hmm? Both Tomeu and me answered. http://lists.laptop.org/pipermail/devel/2008-July/016914.html http://lists.laptop.org/pipermail/devel/2008-July/016951.html > and not updating the API doc, T

Re: Autosave in 8.2.0?

2008-07-19 Thread Marco Pesenti Gritti
Tomeu Vizoso wrote: > I think that Freedesktop people are moving to a D-Bus based protocol, > but don't the status of it. > It's actually just GNOME for now... but I'm keeping an eye on it and will add support for that protocol as soon as it's agreed/implemented. Marco __

Re: [sugar] Display warnings in sugar

2008-07-17 Thread Marco Pesenti Gritti
On Fri, Jul 18, 2008 at 2:53 AM, Gary C Martin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Just out of interest, where is the code that raises the AP network > authentication name/pass request? That feels like a pretty close > template fit to such a critical warning. sugar/src/hardware/keydialog.py Marco __

Re: Help! Summarizing the xulrunner situation in OLPC

2008-07-17 Thread Marco Pesenti Gritti
On Wed, Jul 16, 2008 at 7:00 PM, Daniel Drake <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I recently modified OLPC-3 xulrunner to remove dependencies on libgnome > and gnomevfs2. Once Dennis has had a chance to review my work to remove > libgnome deps from other packages too, a huge dependency chain > (including

Re: Autosave in 8.2.0?

2008-07-16 Thread Marco Pesenti Gritti
On Wed, Jul 16, 2008 at 8:58 PM, Greg Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi All, > > I have a priority request from "the field" to not lose any saved data. > > I believe we already do that except in the case of a "crash" or "freeze" > of activities (no crashes is another request :-). Is that right?

Re: Help! Summarizing the xulrunner situation in OLPC

2008-07-16 Thread Marco Pesenti Gritti
On Wed, Jul 16, 2008 at 7:48 PM, Daniel Drake <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Wed, 2008-07-16 at 13:44 -0400, Jim Gettys wrote: >> Daniel, >> >> It is quiet possible we'll want to pick up gnomevfs2 as a basic library >> in a future release (think about the OLPCfs method of accessing the >> journal)

Re: Help! Summarizing the xulrunner situation in OLPC

2008-07-16 Thread Marco Pesenti Gritti
On Wed, Jul 16, 2008 at 7:44 PM, Jim Gettys <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Daniel, > > It is quiet possible we'll want to pick up gnomevfs2 as a basic library > in a future release (think about the OLPCfs method of accessing the > journal). We didn't want the old gnomevfs library since that pulled i

Re: Help! Summarizing the xulrunner situation in OLPC

2008-07-16 Thread Marco Pesenti Gritti
We will also need to enable pyxpcom in the fedora firefox for Browse to work. Marco On Wed, Jul 16, 2008 at 6:43 PM, Greg Dekoenigsberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > So today I had a meeting with Christopher Aillon, the maintainer of all > things Mozilla in Fedora, and it helped greatly to shape

Re: Activity Backward Compatibility (was re: Re: joyride 2128 smoketest)

2008-07-14 Thread Marco Pesenti Gritti
On Mon, Jul 14, 2008 at 11:42 PM, C. Scott Ananian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The goal from the beginning has been to minimize cost-of-entry to > develop applications for our platform. Requiring that people set up > bugzilla in order to receive bug reports is a high bar! Requiring > that they h

Re: Activity Backward Compatibility (was re: Re: joyride 2128 smoketest)

2008-07-14 Thread Marco Pesenti Gritti
On Mon, Jul 14, 2008 at 11:36 PM, C. Scott Ananian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Mon, Jul 14, 2008 at 5:35 PM, Marco Pesenti Gritti > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> On Mon, Jul 14, 2008 at 11:30 PM, Eben Eliason <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> What an email

Re: Activity Backward Compatibility (was re: Re: joyride 2128 smoketest)

2008-07-14 Thread Marco Pesenti Gritti
On Mon, Jul 14, 2008 at 11:35 PM, Marco Pesenti Gritti <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Mon, Jul 14, 2008 at 11:30 PM, Eben Eliason <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> What an email does do is allow, for instance, the Log activity to actually >> be useful in practice, since the

Re: Activity Backward Compatibility (was re: Re: joyride 2128 smoketest)

2008-07-14 Thread Marco Pesenti Gritti
On Mon, Jul 14, 2008 at 11:30 PM, Eben Eliason <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > What an email does do is allow, for instance, the Log activity to actually > be useful in practice, since the "send log" button can send the log to the > people who might actually look at it and make any necessary changes t

Re: Activity Backward Compatibility (was re: Re: joyride 2128 smoketest)

2008-07-14 Thread Marco Pesenti Gritti
On Mon, Jul 14, 2008 at 10:49 PM, C. Scott Ananian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > And I'd strongly prefer that they *not* do so. First off, it's > pointless to do so, since the web page is a lot easier to spam-spider > than the activity bundle. But fundamentally, I want to be able to use > semi-aut

Re: Activity Backward Compatibility (was re: Re: joyride 2128 smoketest)

2008-07-14 Thread Marco Pesenti Gritti
On Mon, Jul 14, 2008 at 3:14 PM, Greg Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > RE: Marco's comments. > > GS - Thanks! Can you start adding the names of all activities that we > know should/will work to the Release notes too? I can add the Fructose ones, where are the release notes? :) > How does someon

Re: Activity Backward Compatibility (was re: Re: joyride 2128 smoketest)

2008-07-14 Thread Marco Pesenti Gritti
On Mon, Jul 14, 2008 at 6:32 PM, C. Scott Ananian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Also, there's nothing saying that this has to be a particular person's > email address. It could be a list, or a mailinator account, or pass > through an anonymizer or something else. I suppose some activity authors mi

Re: State of 8.2.0, July 12, 2008

2008-07-14 Thread Marco Pesenti Gritti
On Sun, Jul 13, 2008 at 8:31 PM, Marco Pesenti Gritti <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> b) Do you agree that it's a good idea to start maintaining both a >> development and a release buildstream now? Would you prefer to wait >> for a few more days? If so, why? > >

Re: [Localization] How do we manage translation effort in Release, process/roadmap?

2008-07-13 Thread Marco Pesenti Gritti
On Thu, Jul 10, 2008 at 9:37 AM, Sayamindu Dasgupta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I think I answered this. > > * sugar-base > * sugar-toolkit > * sugar > * chat-activity > * web-activity > * read-activity > * log-activity > * write-activity > * calculate-activity > * terminal-activity > * pippy-act

Re: State of 8.2.0, July 12, 2008

2008-07-13 Thread Marco Pesenti Gritti
On Sun, Jul 13, 2008 at 6:11 AM, Michael Stone <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Sugar slowness & redraws > - Sugar feels really slow both because it is and because we're seeing lots of >intermediate states (redraws, overlapping icons, ...) I assume you mean this regressed compared to Update.1. Ca

Re: State of 8.2.0, July 12, 2008

2008-07-13 Thread Marco Pesenti Gritti
On Sun, Jul 13, 2008 at 6:45 PM, Michael Stone <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> What do you mean with "positive report"? > > The same statement that a tag like 'joyride-2153:+' means: someone > specifically retested an issue on a build known to contain the > package(s) you want to ship and could not r

Re: Activity Backward Compatibility (was re: Re: joyride 2128 smoketest)

2008-07-13 Thread Marco Pesenti Gritti
On Sat, Jul 12, 2008 at 12:56 AM, Greg Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I understand that we do not have backward compatibility in 8.2.0 as it > currently stands. For Glucose we are supposed to be backward compatible with Update.1. ABI breaks should be reported as bugs. > Can we bound the test

Re: Activity Backward Compatibility (was re: Re: joyride 2128 smoketest)

2008-07-13 Thread Marco Pesenti Gritti
On Sat, Jul 12, 2008 at 1:43 PM, Morgan Collett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Sat, Jul 12, 2008 at 00:56, Greg Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Hi Guys, >> >> We should definitely have backward compatibility for activities! > > In my opinion, there should be compatibility from one release to t

Re: Activity Backward Compatibility (was re: Re: joyride 2128 smoketest)

2008-07-13 Thread Marco Pesenti Gritti
On Sat, Jul 12, 2008 at 6:39 PM, Bobby Powers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 7/12/08, Morgan Collett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> On Sat, Jul 12, 2008 at 00:56, Greg Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> > Hi Guys, >> > >> > We should definitely have backward compatibility for activities! >> >>

Re: State of 8.2.0, July 12, 2008

2008-07-13 Thread Marco Pesenti Gritti
On Sun, Jul 13, 2008 at 6:11 AM, Michael Stone <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Dennis recently made us an 8.2 release build stream. For the time being, > you're > all doing a great job providing good fixes, so Dennis will automatically merge > changes from joyride into the 8.2 stream as soon as he se

Re: [sugar] Relationships w/ upstream.

2008-07-07 Thread Marco Pesenti Gritti
On 7/7/08, C. Scott Ananian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Mon, Jul 7, 2008 at 4:56 PM, Walter Bender <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: >> I'll be presumptuous and speak on behalf of "upstream." Sugar >> developers are cognizant of the needs of OLPC and will go out of their >> way to make sure that th

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