I'd vote that we not expend too much effort in supporting multiple
development environments in Pippy at the moment--there are so many
other high-priority things to be working on. Is there really a lot of
demand for this from the field?
-walter
On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 11:28 AM, Benjamin M. Schwart
Michael,
First, thank you for launching this discussion thread. It is important
to get our heads out of the trenches on occasion, even if everyone is
overwhelmed with the details of the day-to-day task of getting 8.2 out
the door.
I have to echo the point made by Martin: in fact, despite no livin
I don't think anyone would argue that we need better tools for
software development on the XO. There has been a latent Develop
activity in the works that occasionally gets a boost from the
community (want to jump in?). I would argue that a bigger stumbling
block than problems with Sugar and "interp
> instead of just turtle programs and gooey smalltalk...
Cannot let this one slip by uncommented on. Etoys is one place where
kids are doing real programming, as a means of achieving fluency about
many powerful ideas, not just syntax. But I unaware that children have
made contributions to Squeak y
I left my Sinclair in the 1CC conference room. It probably qualifies as well.
-walter
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>
> We are looking for examples of keyboards for small children
> present before 1993.
>
> Specifically, we are looking for keyboards w
Curious as to what occasions need root access within X Windows? Maybe
the console is enough?
-walter
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> One of our present security difficulties is that the Terminal activity
> is not isolated. It is de-isolated so that it c
really what I was asking: what
dependencies do we have for Sugar/X in normal admin tasks that require
root?
thanks.
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> On 1 Aug 2008, at 03:25, Walter Bender wrote:
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>> Curious as to what occasion
not sure what the difference is between an installed activity and a
custom activity.
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On Fri, Aug 1, 2008 at 10:01 AM, Victor Lazzarini
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> Not sure which logs. I can see all the installed activities but
> none of my custom ones.
>
> Victor
>
> At 14:51 01/08/2008,
Why does it matter that you cannot adjust the screen brightness from
the console using the special keys? You can adjust it from Sugar
without root access. The idea was to understand what limits we'd face
using the console for root access instead of a special terminal
activity. What are the Sugar/X
> The bottleneck is in the XO hardware that all of the tests run on (and
> the number of tests we choose to do), rather than in hardware that we
> can upgrade.
I wonder if there is some way to parallelize this across multiple XOs?
Not ever XO running every test? Presumably multiple XOs are not the
I'm including the Education list in a hope we can get some feedback as
to what class of MS-Windows programs are a high-priority. I cannot
imagine Word would be high on the list, but there are undoubtedly many
applications people are looking for...
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On Thu, Aug 7, 2008 at 2:52 PM, John Gilm
Not surprisingly, my experience on different machines with different
versions of joyride and different collections of activities installed
is that it is very inconsistent. Sometimes it just works, but often
times, it gets hung on one or two activities, e.g., for a while, it
would get stuck on Brows
> That's right, would people be interested in hearing about each failed build?
No.
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> + Windows XP suspend/resume support
Huh?
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> Size delta: -0.65M
>
> -totem-mozplugin 2.23.4-1.olp
What about the Activity manuals?
-walter
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>
> What follows is the flow of chapters (devised by Seth, Adam, Cynthia
> and myself) for the Sugar / XO manual to (hopefully) be included on
> the XO for G1G1.
>
> Make all
Are we still so wedded to the purity of circles? Simply changing the
shape of the icon once a connection is made would go a long way. Maybe
morph into a star? or a sun? Or add the ubiquitous parens around the
icon a la the indicator light? None of these would adversely impact
the color-ID scheme.
For consideration in your testing: there are some ways to tune the
performance of Flash, such as the video playback hack described here:
http://olpcnews.com/forum/index.php?topic=845.0
I don't know if there are similar hacks for improving general
performance of Flash (or Gnash) on lesser-powered
You can add anchors to pages in the wiki, so you could do Activities#X
-walter
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> Am 16.09.2008 um 22:27 schrieb Seth Woodworth:
>
>> So far the semantic form for activities is very rough in actual data-
>> points and ver
Jim took over my weekly community news digest for OLPC. It tends to
have a lot of information, not necessarily actionable, about
deployments. Alas, it tends to be more cheer leading than anything
else, where as the technical content has some depth (or at least
pointers to some depth).
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On
> (Actually, Sugar will also find
> any nearby Macs running Avahi, but doesn't quite know
> what to do with them.)
Chat between Bonjour clients works today. So the XOs know some things
to do with a MAC.
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>>>
>>> Please create a new test case for any activity that needs one.
>>>
>>> To do that, go to this page: http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Form:Test_case
>>> and entering Tests/Activities/nameofactivity to create a new test
^is^are^ :)
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> In fact, there is a great deal of data from the field in the form of
> the activity packs that Peru, Uruguay, et al. developed. These
> collections have been vetted and tested extensively and
I am curious: do we have a taxonomy of the various applications we are
expecting to see. Has there been a characterization of the problem we
are trying to solve? The Gimp, which is a mess in any wm, seems to be
the only example of a lots of floating little windows application
anyone ever mentions.
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> from virtually all technically-oriented parties involved. I have heard
> echos of this from less technical users (e.g. teachers who are confused
> by the beha
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>> do with this thread?
>>
>> -walter
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>> On Mon, Sep 22, 2008 at 2:52 PM, Erik Garrison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
relatively low priority relative to these other inconsistencies.
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>> We all agree that the datastore needs serious attention,
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> So UI changes that help make this clearer will probably be a good idea
> for a 9.1 ... :-/
There was an early sketch of a mechanism similar to the old Home View
circle, where there was a space allocated to each open activity
proportional to the amount of memory it was consuming. In any case, it
Gary, this is a very helpful analysis. Thanks.
Arjun, I wonder if Measure isn't exceptional in regard to when it is
not in the foreground. I can imagine wanted to log data while doing
other things: It isn't clear it should go idle when not visible. My
naive guess would be to assume that a timer wer
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> it finds on the XO.
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Haven't had a chance to review the talk note yet, but one observation
based on Pau
Where can we host this?
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es to provide its own view source window. It could be done by
> adding one more D-Bus method or by adding one more property to
> activity.info. Inconvenient: adds complexity to activity development.
>
> Opinions?
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> sure that Sugar already got quite leaner (measured 15MB of mem less
> after booting) and faster and there's still plenty of room for
> improvement.
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> Cannot wait to have F10 joyride images to compare 8.2 to something
> closer t
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{{OlpcBug|2837}} Implement TOC navigation in Read (sayamindu)
> * {{Bug|145}} Prevent object chooser appearing when joining a shared session
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> === browse ===
> * use cjson instead of json (nirbheek)
> * new translations
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> === chat ===
> * use cjson instead of simple-json (nirbheek)
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that said, it is an interesting exercise to try drawing letters with the Turtle.
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There is a stock Fedora image available. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/OLPC
> If I went to a traditional Linux distro could I do GTK UI's in C/C++
> on this machine?
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> what you learn so that it becomes easier for others to assist.
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which shows what the XO hardware can do in animation. After that
> probably I will use the lessons learned to optimize GCompris and PyGame
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> whole point is to work fast on a physical XO hardware. Of course if
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We do support a similar mechanism to what was in place on w.l.o. I'll
get it set up.
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>>>> (See http://dev.sugarlabs.org/ticket/155).
>>>
>>> So the sensors are the ones that can get plugged into the audio
>>> input/output on the XO? Is this custom to the XO or could be
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Someone from OLPC should probably take that initiative. There is a
reference to Sugar hosting
UUIDs...
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BTW, it is great to have occasional face-to-face meetings. It is a
high-bandwidth medium of exchange. But our decisions are made in
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I'll ask Adam, the OLPC employee who is at the meeting. He may know.
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On Sat, May 16, 2009 at 10:37 AM, Christoph Wickert
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> Am Samstag, den 16.05.2009, 08:48 -0400 schrieb Walter Bender:
>> On Sat, May 16, 2009 at 8:08 AM, Christoph Wickert
>> wrote:
earthed design that im aware of is that
>>>> the
>>>> power supply easier(cheaper?) meets EMC/FCC regulations.
>>>>
>>>>> I hope future XO versions will still have the same broad power
>>>>> input
>>>>> specs as the XO-1. It's been very useful already (e.g. cable-only
>>>>> "car
>>>>> adapter", no voltage conversion or even voltage limit necessary).
>>>>>
>>>>> CU Sascha
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, separate* pages such as Activities/8.2
>> and/or Activities/G1G1/8.2 , see
>> http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Software_update . Those subpages are where
>> "known good version" info must live for Software update to work, while
>> other activity pages are mostly useless out-of-date cruft. M
ght? (SoaS
> includes the software updater, so we shouldn't break it by removing
> those pages before there's an ASLO equivalent.)
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nning a different language? Maybe it doesn't work in other
>> languages.
>>
>> This feature doesn't work in Sugar Labs releases,
>> http://dev.sugarlabs.org/ticket/574 filed. (My understanding is Sugar
>> Labs plans unification of library and Journal and/or a
b. Cheers:)
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A bit more context please. How are you installing which .xo bundles onto
what version of Sugar?
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think it is 8.2.0. Thanks in advance:) cheers.
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ample keys.
> Further information from m_stone. Happy to test further next week.
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> Walter Bender requests tests of turtleart-55: found that on
> wiki.laptop you get version 44, on sugarlabs.org you get version 55
> from the top right hand activities link but version 51 from the
> acti
sn't really move us forward. Let's learn
> our lessons for the future and get back to work.
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On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 7:53 AM, James Cameron wrote:
> On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 07:37:44AM -0400, Walter Bender wrote:
>> More seriously, I don't know if it is possible, but getting Nicholas
>> to stop making a "scrambled egg" out of the software stack with his
>&
ease, with Sugar as an
> option, will take an order of magnitude less software work, if
> those lessons have really been taken to heart.
XO-1.5 is less work because we did all that work for XO-1, not because
Sugar is an option. Still, fine-tuning power management, networks and
the like on the XO-1.5 is going to be hard work for the Fedora team
(or the Windows team). What does Sugar have to do with it?
> John
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a 1K cluster size.
> With larger cluster sizes, there are several factors of two of headroom
> - and large clusters are not a problem for /boot, which tends to contain
> mostly large files.
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will, and can tell modified from unmodified software. Please let
> me know what is really happening in the schools of Uruguay.
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Let me investigate further, because the response to my query was as I
quoted below. Clearly there is a miscommunication somewhere within the
Ceilbal organization.
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On Mon, Aug 24, 2009 at 12:57 PM, Andrés Ambrois wrote:
> On Monday 24 August 2009 10:11:54 am Walter Bender wrote:
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ortcuts), gaining you an extra ~40 vertical pixels of canvas
> space.
>
Not to mention that many (most) toolbar items have keyboard shortcuts.
Edit certainly does :)
-walter
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On Mon, Oct 19, 2009 at 3:24 PM, Dan Krejsa wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Cool game! It really ought to be called 'Inducto', though.
I said the same thing to Jon Orwant, the author of the original version :)
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e useful to me please don't hesitate to send across. I hope this
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