Re: Summary of accepted Fedora 20 Changes - week 30

2013-07-26 Thread drago01
On Fri, Jul 26, 2013 at 1:20 AM, Toshio Kuratomi a.bad...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Jul 25, 2013 at 05:09:54PM -0600, Stephen John Smoogen wrote: On 25 July 2013 16:59, Billy Crook billycr...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Jul 25, 2013 at 3:36 PM, Bastien Nocera bnoc...@redhat.com wrote: Given the

Re: rpmconf and new feature to configure application

2013-07-26 Thread Jan Zeleny
Dne Čt 25. července 2013 11:38:28, Colin Walters napsal(a): On Thu, 2013-07-25 at 14:42 +0200, Miroslav Suchý wrote: So I put in rpmconf this code (little bit simplified here): if [ -x /usr/share/rpmconf/$PACKAGE ]; then /usr/share/rpmconf/$PACKAGE

Re: Summary of accepted Fedora 20 Changes - week 30

2013-07-26 Thread Brendan Jones
On 07/26/2013 01:47 AM, Lennart Poettering wrote: [1] Onsen, in Berlin-Friedrichshain (recommended) Hmmm I must try it. Hard to find real Japanese in this city. -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: rpmconf and new feature to configure application

2013-07-26 Thread Florian Weimer
On 07/25/2013 05:35 PM, Colin Walters wrote: You might be interested to know that OSTree does that automatically: # ostree admin config-diff Mgroup Mfstab Mgshadow Mshadow Mpasswd Mresolv.conf Avconsole.conf A.pwd.lock Apasswd- Ashadow- Agroup- A

Re: rpmconf and new feature to configure application

2013-07-26 Thread Florian Weimer
On 07/25/2013 05:38 PM, Colin Walters wrote: On Thu, 2013-07-25 at 14:42 +0200, Miroslav Suchý wrote: So I put in rpmconf this code (little bit simplified here): if [ -x /usr/share/rpmconf/$PACKAGE ]; then /usr/share/rpmconf/$PACKAGE fi Have you looked

Re: F20 System Wide Change: Enable SELinux Labeled NFS Support

2013-07-26 Thread Florian Weimer
On 07/25/2013 08:55 PM, Daniel J Walsh wrote: Labels are applied based on the client rules. Which does bring up an interesting idea of what happens if the server initiates a relabel. Can we make sure that there's a good chance that the NFS exports reside under a tree that is not subject to

Re: RFC: Proposal for a more agile Fedora.next (draft of my Flock talk)

2013-07-26 Thread Marcela Mašláňová
On 07/25/2013 07:25 PM, Lennart Poettering wrote: On Mon, 22.07.13 11:22, Matthew Miller (mat...@fedoraproject.org) wrote: On Mon, Jul 22, 2013 at 04:40:14PM +0200, drago01 wrote: Whenever I go to a tech meetup or talk to someone from a new startup company, their developers are inevitably

Re: Doc dir related changes coming up

2013-07-26 Thread Ville Skyttä
On Tue, Jul 23, 2013 at 11:22 PM, Ville Skyttä ville.sky...@iki.fi wrote: Related to the unversioned docdirs F-20 feature [1], some changes with doc packages will be needed in a bunch of packages. More info will follow later, Ok, here it goes: The special (pathless) %doc macro now installs

Re: Doc dir related changes coming up

2013-07-26 Thread Christopher Meng
And some packages being reviewed also need a change. -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: Summary of accepted Fedora 20 Changes - week 30

2013-07-26 Thread Marcela Mašláňová
On 07/26/2013 01:20 AM, Toshio Kuratomi wrote: On Thu, Jul 25, 2013 at 05:09:54PM -0600, Stephen John Smoogen wrote: On 25 July 2013 16:59, Billy Crook billycr...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Jul 25, 2013 at 3:36 PM, Bastien Nocera bnoc...@redhat.com wrote: Given the amount of time that he spent

Re: Summary of accepted Fedora 20 Changes - week 30

2013-07-26 Thread Jóhann B. Guðmundsson
On 07/25/2013 11:09 PM, Stephen John Smoogen wrote: default install - what you get when you put the DVD in and do a click through install. The DVD is controlled by RELENG default spin - The GNOME desktop livecd. While the GNOME SIG controls their live spin If one makes a side by side

Re: Rawhide tree now includes install images

2013-07-26 Thread Frank Murphy
On Tue, 16 Jul 2013 10:41:22 -0600 Kevin Fenzi ke...@scrye.com wrote: This allows users to use the latest boot.iso or pxe images to install rawhide instances or point to rawhide as a install-able tree. kevin Will this be possible through bfo futuredate? -- Regards, Frank When in doubt

Re: Summary of accepted Fedora 20 Changes - week 30

2013-07-26 Thread Matthew Garrett
On Thu, Jul 25, 2013 at 06:29:47PM -0700, Dan Mashal wrote: I think you missed my point, but you got the gist. We have way more important things to discuss than sendmail. Yes, like the toxic atmosphere on our mailing lists. I don't agree with Lennart's position, but that doesn't mean that

Re: RFC: Proposal for a more agile Fedora.next (draft of my Flock talk)

2013-07-26 Thread drago01
On Fri, Jul 26, 2013 at 10:09 AM, Marcela Mašláňová mmasl...@redhat.com wrote: On 07/25/2013 07:25 PM, Lennart Poettering wrote: On Mon, 22.07.13 11:22, Matthew Miller (mat...@fedoraproject.org) wrote: On Mon, Jul 22, 2013 at 04:40:14PM +0200, drago01 wrote: Whenever I go to a tech meetup

Re: Fixing proxy support in Fedora (was Re: Orphaning few packages)

2013-07-26 Thread David Woodhouse
On Thu, 2013-07-18 at 16:49 +0200, Nicolas Chauvet wrote: But it's actually relatively simple to hack around that for now with a NM dispatcher script. Having libproxy-pacrunner available is the important missing piece of the puzzle for now. Sorry for delayed response. Please don't drop me

rpmbuild --buildarch equivalent?

2013-07-26 Thread Juerg Haefliger
Hi, A long time ago rpmbuild used to have an option --buildarch to override the arch detection. What is its equivalent nowadays? Sorry, couldn't figure it out so far. Thanks ...Juerg -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: Summary of accepted Fedora 20 Changes - week 30

2013-07-26 Thread Jaroslav Reznik
- Original Message - On 25 July 2013 16:59, Billy Crook billycr...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Jul 25, 2013 at 3:36 PM, Bastien Nocera bnoc...@redhat.com wrote: Given the amount of time that he spent on the mailing-list fighting for those features, then it looks like a waste of time,

Re: Summary of accepted Fedora 20 Changes - week 30

2013-07-26 Thread Jiri Eischmann
Marcela Mašláňová píše v Pá 26. 07. 2013 v 10:33 +0200: On 07/26/2013 01:20 AM, Toshio Kuratomi wrote: On Thu, Jul 25, 2013 at 05:09:54PM -0600, Stephen John Smoogen wrote: On 25 July 2013 16:59, Billy Crook billycr...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Jul 25, 2013 at 3:36 PM, Bastien Nocera

Re: Summary of accepted Fedora 20 Changes - week 30

2013-07-26 Thread Lennart Poettering
On Fri, 26.07.13 08:47, Brendan Jones (brendan.jones...@gmail.com) wrote: On 07/26/2013 01:47 AM, Lennart Poettering wrote: [1] Onsen, in Berlin-Friedrichshain (recommended) Hmmm I must try it. Hard to find real Japanese in this city. It's not a real Japanese. I think it's run by

Re: Summary of accepted Fedora 20 Changes - week 30

2013-07-26 Thread Brendan Jones
On 07/25/2013 10:36 PM, Bastien Nocera wrote: - Original Message - On Thu, 2013-07-25 at 17:36 +0200, Lennart Poettering wrote: On Thu, 25.07.13 14:39, Jaroslav Reznik (jrez...@redhat.com) wrote: Partially accepted Changes * No Default Sendmail -

Re: rpmbuild --buildarch equivalent?

2013-07-26 Thread Sérgio Basto
On Sex, 2013-07-26 at 11:42 +0200, Juerg Haefliger wrote: Hi, A long time ago rpmbuild used to have an option --buildarch to override the arch detection. What is its equivalent nowadays? Sorry, couldn't figure it out so far. --target=x86_64 but nowadays I use mock to build packages --

Re: Summary of accepted Fedora 20 Changes - week 30

2013-07-26 Thread Michael Scherer
Le jeudi 25 juillet 2013 à 11:55 -0700, Adam Williamson a écrit : On Thu, 2013-07-25 at 17:36 +0200, Lennart Poettering wrote: On Thu, 25.07.13 14:39, Jaroslav Reznik (jrez...@redhat.com) wrote: Partially accepted Changes * No Default Sendmail -

Re: rpmbuild --buildarch equivalent?

2013-07-26 Thread Juerg Haefliger
Hi, A long time ago rpmbuild used to have an option --buildarch to override the arch detection. What is its equivalent nowadays? Sorry, couldn't figure it out so far. --target=x86_64 Hmm... That builds a package for x86_64 even if there is a 'ExcludeArch: x86_64' statement in the

Re: F20 System Wide Change: Enable SELinux Labeled NFS Support

2013-07-26 Thread Daniel J Walsh
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 07/26/2013 03:40 AM, Florian Weimer wrote: On 07/25/2013 08:55 PM, Daniel J Walsh wrote: Labels are applied based on the client rules. Which does bring up an interesting idea of what happens if the server initiates a relabel. Can we make

Re: F20 System Wide Change: Enable SELinux Labeled NFS Support

2013-07-26 Thread Daniel J Walsh
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 07/25/2013 06:45 PM, James Hogarth wrote: On 25 Jul 2013 19:55, Daniel J Walsh dwa...@redhat.com mailto:dwa...@redhat.com wrote: snip The only provisos/additions I could suggest on the above then is to make it clear in the release notes

Re: Backslash swallowed by %configure on koji rawhide build

2013-07-26 Thread Christopher Meng
It made things more difficult. I don't think everyone will remeber trap ASAP. Sent from S3 -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: rpmbuild --buildarch equivalent?

2013-07-26 Thread Christopher Meng
ExclusiveArch. Sent from S3 -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: Summary of accepted Fedora 20 Changes - week 30

2013-07-26 Thread drago01
On Fri, Jul 26, 2013 at 12:38 PM, Michael Scherer m...@zarb.org wrote: Le jeudi 25 juillet 2013 à 11:55 -0700, Adam Williamson a écrit : On Thu, 2013-07-25 at 17:36 +0200, Lennart Poettering wrote: On Thu, 25.07.13 14:39, Jaroslav Reznik (jrez...@redhat.com) wrote: Partially accepted

Re: RFC: Proposal for a more agile Fedora.next (draft of my Flock talk)

2013-07-26 Thread Mark Bidewell
No one said that stuff should change unexpectedly (and that's not what currently happens either). Actually its the opposite you want to consider the whole picture when doing changes and not think of independent pieces stuck together. That's why the lets build some core platform and put

Re: rpmconf and new feature to configure application

2013-07-26 Thread Neal Becker
What I really want is rpmconf mode for emacs. I could use all the nice tools like emacs ediff. -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: Summary of accepted Fedora 20 Changes - week 30

2013-07-26 Thread Christian Fredrik Kalager Schaller
On Thu, 2013-07-25 at 16:20 -0700, Toshio Kuratomi wrote: SNIP (/me notes that if mattdm's Ring 1 was defined, this might be somewhat easier to decide upon. If sendmail was in Ring 1 it would be an expected part of the Fedora Platform. Anything general purpose and carrying the name Fedora

[perl-Data-HexDump-XXD] 0.1.1 bump

2013-07-26 Thread Jitka Plesnikova
commit 38803b5edfaf65b665231102398fcacff22e81e2 Author: Jitka Plesnikova jples...@redhat.com Date: Fri Jul 26 14:32:25 2013 +0200 0.1.1 bump .gitignore|1 + Data-HexDump-XXD-0.1.0-Declare-POD-encoding.patch | 31 -

Re: [SDL/f19] (2 commits) ...Add NAS support

2013-07-26 Thread Nicolas Chauvet
2013/7/26 Petr Pisar ppi...@fedoraproject.org Summary of changes: 63275df... Add esound and arts BRs (*) 43ee9b2... Add NAS support (*) Do we really need to re-enable thoses deprecated sound server ? I guess no Nicolas (kwizart) -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org

Unremovable packages due to scriptlet failures

2013-07-26 Thread Sandro Mani
Hi, It happens from time to time that yum is unable to remove packages when uninstall scriptlets fail. For experienced users, it is just a matter of doing rpm -e --noscripts, but casual users will likely end up with yum check complaining about duplicate packages etc. So - Might the damage not be

Re: [SDL/f19] (2 commits) ...Add NAS support

2013-07-26 Thread Peter Lemenkov
2013/7/26 Nicolas Chauvet kwiz...@gmail.com: 2013/7/26 Petr Pisar ppi...@fedoraproject.org Summary of changes: 63275df... Add esound and arts BRs (*) 43ee9b2... Add NAS support (*) Do we really need to re-enable thoses deprecated sound server ? I guess no Freedom. Friends.

Re: RFC: Proposal for a more agile Fedora.next (draft of my Flock talk)

2013-07-26 Thread drago01
On Fri, Jul 26, 2013 at 2:20 PM, Mark Bidewell mbide...@gmail.com wrote: No one said that stuff should change unexpectedly (and that's not what currently happens either). Actually its the opposite you want to consider the whole picture when doing changes and not think of independent pieces

Re: Fedora as an crowd founded project an additional funding source to our sponsor

2013-07-26 Thread Michael Scherer
Le mercredi 24 juillet 2013 à 15:11 -0700, Adam Williamson a écrit : On Wed, 2013-07-24 at 16:50 +, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote: On 07/24/2013 04:40 PM, inode0 wrote: On Wed, Jul 24, 2013 at 11:07 AM, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson johan...@gmail.com wrote: The entire budget is not public

Re: [SDL/f19] (2 commits) ...Add NAS support

2013-07-26 Thread Petr Pisar
On 2013-07-26, Nicolas Chauvet kwiz...@gmail.com wrote: --===1863972867785366390== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=047d7b2e0c172d2ba704e26983c8 --047d7b2e0c172d2ba704e26983c8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 2013/7/26 Petr Pisar ppi...@fedoraproject.org

Re: RFC: Proposal for a more agile Fedora.next (draft of my Flock talk)

2013-07-26 Thread Subhendu Ghosh
2 types of OS - headless servers and UI enabled systems. Need to cater for both. On Fri, Jul 26, 2013 at 9:02 AM, drago01 drag...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Jul 26, 2013 at 2:20 PM, Mark Bidewell mbide...@gmail.com wrote: No one said that stuff should change unexpectedly (and that's not

Re: RFC: Proposal for a more agile Fedora.next (draft of my Flock talk)

2013-07-26 Thread Mark Bidewell
On Fri, Jul 26, 2013 at 9:02 AM, drago01 drag...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Jul 26, 2013 at 2:20 PM, Mark Bidewell mbide...@gmail.com wrote: No one said that stuff should change unexpectedly (and that's not what currently happens either). Actually its the opposite you want to consider the

Re: RFC: Proposal for a more agile Fedora.next (draft of my Flock talk)

2013-07-26 Thread Peter MacKinnon
On 07/26/2013 05:23 AM, drago01 wrote: On Fri, Jul 26, 2013 at 10:09 AM, Marcela Mašláňová mmasl...@redhat.com wrote: On 07/25/2013 07:25 PM, Lennart Poettering wrote: On Mon, 22.07.13 11:22, Matthew Miller (mat...@fedoraproject.org) wrote: On Mon, Jul 22, 2013 at 04:40:14PM +0200, drago01

Re: Fedora as an crowd founded project an additional funding source to our sponsor

2013-07-26 Thread Jóhann B. Guðmundsson
On 07/26/2013 01:07 PM, Michael Scherer wrote: Working in IT @Red Hat, I concur, and I am pretty sure that no one has all the information to make that estimation. Network, hosting and storage are all under different budgets for different team, and all aggregated ( cause the DC where RH host

Re: [SDL/f19] (2 commits) ...Add NAS support

2013-07-26 Thread Daniel P. Berrange
On Fri, Jul 26, 2013 at 02:45:06PM +0200, Nicolas Chauvet wrote: 2013/7/26 Petr Pisar ppi...@fedoraproject.org Summary of changes: 63275df... Add esound and arts BRs (*) 43ee9b2... Add NAS support (*) Do we really need to re-enable thoses deprecated sound server ? I guess no

Re: RFC: Proposal for a more agile Fedora.next (draft of my Flock talk)

2013-07-26 Thread Aleksandar Kurtakov
- Original Message - From: Peter MacKinnon pmack...@redhat.com To: Development discussions related to Fedora devel@lists.fedoraproject.org Sent: Friday, July 26, 2013 4:33:18 PM Subject: Re: RFC: Proposal for a more agile Fedora.next (draft of my Flock talk) On 07/26/2013 05:23

Re: Summary of accepted Fedora 20 Changes - week 30

2013-07-26 Thread Josh Boyer
On Thu, Jul 25, 2013 at 7:20 PM, Toshio Kuratomi a.bad...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Jul 25, 2013 at 05:09:54PM -0600, Stephen John Smoogen wrote: On 25 July 2013 16:59, Billy Crook billycr...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Jul 25, 2013 at 3:36 PM, Bastien Nocera bnoc...@redhat.com wrote: Given the

Re: [SDL/f19] (2 commits) ...Add NAS support

2013-07-26 Thread Matthias Clasen
On Fri, 2013-07-26 at 14:35 +0100, Daniel P. Berrange wrote: NB I don't care if esound / arts remain in Fedora or not, but if we want to kill them off, lets be consistent and kill them everywhere, not just disable them in SDL We tried:

Re: rpmconf and new feature to configure application

2013-07-26 Thread Miroslav Suchý
On 07/26/2013 02:23 PM, Neal Becker wrote: What I really want is rpmconf mode for emacs. I could use all the nice tools like emacs ediff. Can you elaborate? I'm not familiar neither with emacs nor ediff? -- Miroslav Suchy Red Hat, Software Engineer -- devel mailing list

Fedora Code of Conduct [was Re: Summary of accepted Fedora 20 Changes - week 30]

2013-07-26 Thread Matthew Miller
On Fri, Jul 26, 2013 at 10:04:30AM +0100, Matthew Garrett wrote: I think you missed my point, but you got the gist. We have way more important things to discuss than sendmail. Yes, like the toxic atmosphere on our mailing lists. I don't agree with Lennart's position, but that doesn't mean

Re: Summary of accepted Fedora 20 Changes - week 30

2013-07-26 Thread Matthew Miller
On Fri, Jul 26, 2013 at 02:31:48PM +0200, Christian Fredrik Kalager Schaller wrote: There is nothing in the Ring proposal which would make any of this any easier as it is. It is not going to be any easier to agree what is 'ring 1' than it currently is to agree what is @standard. Only if the

Re: Summary of accepted Fedora 20 Changes - week 30

2013-07-26 Thread Jóhann B. Guðmundsson
On 07/26/2013 01:47 PM, Josh Boyer wrote: Unless you are willing to change the definition of default from spin to product, and making product something more broadly governed, you're going to be stuck playing these games. If you aren't willing to do that, then you're limited to asking spins to

Re: [SDL/f19] (2 commits) ...Add NAS support

2013-07-26 Thread Nicolas Chauvet
2013/7/26 Daniel P. Berrange berra...@redhat.com On Fri, Jul 26, 2013 at 02:45:06PM +0200, Nicolas Chauvet wrote: 2013/7/26 Petr Pisar ppi...@fedoraproject.org Summary of changes: 63275df... Add esound and arts BRs (*) 43ee9b2... Add NAS support (*) Do we really need

Re: Fedora as an crowd founded project an additional funding source to our sponsor

2013-07-26 Thread Michael Scherer
Le vendredi 26 juillet 2013 à 13:32 +, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson a écrit : On 07/26/2013 01:07 PM, Michael Scherer wrote: Working in IT @Red Hat, I concur, and I am pretty sure that no one has all the information to make that estimation. Network, hosting and storage are all under

Re: Fedora as an crowd founded project an additional funding source to our sponsor

2013-07-26 Thread Olav Vitters
On Fri, Jul 26, 2013 at 01:32:22PM +, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote: Fedora the project which means two entirely separated infrastructures. yeah sure these two might be communicating heavily between themselves unless ofcourse you want to risk issues from either the company or the project

Default libkrb5 ccache location

2013-07-26 Thread Simo Sorce
Recently a number of bugs [1-5] have come up regarding the new default Kerberos Ccache location that we changed according to [6]. We originally thought that reusing the same directory used by XDG_USER_DIR was a good idea as systemd/logind would pre-create it for us and we'd all be happy.

Re: Default libkrb5 ccache location

2013-07-26 Thread Stephen Gallagher
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 07/26/2013 10:48 AM, Simo Sorce wrote: Recently a number of bugs [1-5] have come up regarding the new default Kerberos Ccache location that we changed according to [6]. We originally thought that reusing the same directory used by

Re: Default libkrb5 ccache location

2013-07-26 Thread Tomas Mraz
On Fri, 2013-07-26 at 11:01 -0400, Stephen Gallagher wrote: On 07/26/2013 10:48 AM, Simo Sorce wrote: Recently a number of bugs [1-5] have come up regarding the new default Kerberos Ccache location that we changed according to [6]. We originally thought that reusing the same directory

Re: RFC: Proposal for a more agile Fedora.next (draft of my Flock talk)

2013-07-26 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 26.07.2013 00:04, schrieb Eric Smith: On Thu, Jul 25, 2013 at 12:57 PM, Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net wrote: if that would be the case i would not run Apache 2.4, and Zend Opcache in production on Fdora 17 I wouldn't run *anything* in production on Fedora 17. That's what the

Re: RFC: Proposal for a more agile Fedora.next (draft of my Flock talk)

2013-07-26 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 26.07.2013 00:48, schrieb Eric Smith: On Thu, Jul 25, 2013 at 4:39 PM, Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net wrote: Am 26.07.2013 00:22, schrieb Eric Smith: I wouldn't run *anything* in production on Fedora 17. That's what the downstream enterprise distributions are for. We've been

Re: Fedora as an crowd founded project an additional funding source to our sponsor

2013-07-26 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 26.07.2013 15:32, schrieb Jóhann B. Guðmundsson: On 07/26/2013 01:07 PM, Michael Scherer wrote: Working in IT @Red Hat, I concur, and I am pretty sure that no one has all the information to make that estimation. Network, hosting and storage are all under different budgets for different

Re: RFC: Proposal for a more agile Fedora.next (draft of my Flock talk)

2013-07-26 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 26.07.2013 14:20, schrieb Mark Bidewell: Honestly, I keep seeing this argument in this thread, but it doesn't square with reality. The concept of an OS and all of its apps as a monolithic distribution with a single release schedule is unique to Linux. Every other major OS (with the

Heads up: libcolord ABI bump coming up

2013-07-26 Thread Richard Hughes
I'm about to release and build a new colord. This has all the pre-1.0.* deprecated functions in libcolord removed, and hence bumps ABI. The affected packages are: colord-gtk colorhug-client colorhug-tools control-center gnome-color-manager gnome-settings-daemon gtk3 simple-scan The DBus

Re: Unremovable packages due to scriptlet failures

2013-07-26 Thread Gary Gatling
On Fri, Jul 26, 2013 at 8:49 AM, Sandro Mani manisan...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, It happens from time to time that yum is unable to remove packages when uninstall scriptlets fail. For experienced users, it is just a matter of doing rpm -e --noscripts, but casual users will likely end up with yum

Re: Default libkrb5 ccache location

2013-07-26 Thread Simo Sorce
On Fri, 2013-07-26 at 11:01 -0400, Stephen Gallagher wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 07/26/2013 10:48 AM, Simo Sorce wrote: Recently a number of bugs [1-5] have come up regarding the new default Kerberos Ccache location that we changed according to [6]. We

Re: Default libkrb5 ccache location

2013-07-26 Thread Simo Sorce
On Fri, 2013-07-26 at 17:07 +0200, Tomas Mraz wrote: For the record, I like this plan. It should also serve to address a number of unfortunate edge-cases, particularly those around the semi-sessions created by 'su' and 'sudo'. I'd rather like to see a plan that would fix also other

Re: EPEL exim still maintained?

2013-07-26 Thread Kevin Fenzi
On Thu, 25 Jul 2013 17:09:29 -0500 Dario Landazuri da...@ots.utsystem.edu wrote: Greetings, I'm wondering if exim is still being maintained as a package. I've I hope so. inherited an exim installation (among other software) that was installed from source, and I'd like to try and move

Re: Non-responsive maintainer: Rakesh Pandit

2013-07-26 Thread Kevin Fenzi
On Thu, 25 Jul 2013 23:44:38 -0400 Rahul Sundaram methe...@gmail.com wrote: HI On Thu, Jul 25, 2013 at 11:25 PM, Christopher Meng wrote: Hi, Bugzilla: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=984776 Rakesh Pandit aka rpandit at redhat.com, hasn't replied any of unhide

Re: Rawhide tree now includes install images

2013-07-26 Thread Kevin Fenzi
On Fri, 26 Jul 2013 10:03:18 +0100 Frank Murphy frankl...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, 16 Jul 2013 10:41:22 -0600 Kevin Fenzi ke...@scrye.com wrote: This allows users to use the latest boot.iso or pxe images to install rawhide instances or point to rawhide as a install-able tree.

Re: Default libkrb5 ccache location

2013-07-26 Thread Miloslav Trmač
On Fri, Jul 26, 2013 at 5:17 PM, Simo Sorce s...@redhat.com wrote: On Fri, 2013-07-26 at 17:07 +0200, Tomas Mraz wrote: For the record, I like this plan. It should also serve to address a number of unfortunate edge-cases, particularly those around the semi-sessions created by 'su' and

Relying on $PATH in RPM scriplets

2013-07-26 Thread Lukas Zapletal
Hey, since we provide cloud images starting with Fedora 19, I noticed that cloud-init, which is used in these, does not execute user shell scripts with $PATH set properly which is causing issues for packages that does not provide full paths in scriplets. I know we have some examples which relies

Re: Summary of accepted Fedora 20 Changes - week 30

2013-07-26 Thread Adam Williamson
On Fri, 2013-07-26 at 08:47 +, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote: On 07/25/2013 11:09 PM, Stephen John Smoogen wrote: default install - what you get when you put the DVD in and do a click through install. The DVD is controlled by RELENG default spin - The GNOME desktop livecd. While

Re: Summary of accepted Fedora 20 Changes - week 30

2013-07-26 Thread Bill Nottingham
Jóhann B. Guðmundsson (johan...@gmail.com) said: Heck maybe the Anaconda team would be willing to come up with or accept patches that will even present this in the installer in a spoke in a user friendly manner. Software selection in anaconda *didn't* have a default in the redesigned UI for

Re: Summary of accepted Fedora 20 Changes - week 30

2013-07-26 Thread drago01
On Fri, Jul 26, 2013 at 4:23 PM, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson johan...@gmail.com wrote: On 07/26/2013 01:47 PM, Josh Boyer wrote: Unless you are willing to change the definition of default from spin to product, and making product something more broadly governed, you're going to be stuck playing

Re: Summary of accepted Fedora 20 Changes - week 30

2013-07-26 Thread Bill Nottingham
Bastien Nocera (bnoc...@redhat.com) said: Given the amount of time that he spent on the mailing-list fighting for those features, then it looks like a waste of time, that work has been done. And? (Maybe I'm misunderstanding what you're saying here.) I mean, it's part of working in a

Re: Default libkrb5 ccache location

2013-07-26 Thread Stephen Gallagher
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 07/26/2013 11:31 AM, Miloslav Trmač wrote: On Fri, Jul 26, 2013 at 5:17 PM, Simo Sorce s...@redhat.com wrote: On Fri, 2013-07-26 at 17:07 +0200, Tomas Mraz wrote: For the record, I like this plan. It should also serve to address a number of

Re: F20 System Wide Change: Web Assets

2013-07-26 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
Le Lun 22 juillet 2013 21:58, Robert Marcano a écrit : The real problem with publishing things is that if I distribute binaries of many things I must follow the license, some say I need to distribute sources, some say that I need to distribute a copy of the license, etc. Making files

Re: Summary of accepted Fedora 20 Changes - week 30

2013-07-26 Thread Jóhann B. Guðmundsson
On 07/26/2013 04:16 PM, Bill Nottingham wrote: Jóhann B. Guðmundsson (johan...@gmail.com) said: Heck maybe the Anaconda team would be willing to come up with or accept patches that will even present this in the installer in a spoke in a user friendly manner. Software selection in anaconda

Re: Relying on $PATH in RPM scriplets

2013-07-26 Thread Richard W.M. Jones
On Fri, Jul 26, 2013 at 06:06:00PM +0200, Lukas Zapletal wrote: Hey, since we provide cloud images starting with Fedora 19, I noticed that cloud-init, which is used in these, does not execute user shell scripts with $PATH set properly which is causing issues for packages that does not

Re: Default libkrb5 ccache location

2013-07-26 Thread Lennart Poettering
On Fri, 26.07.13 11:01, Stephen Gallagher (sgall...@redhat.com) wrote: I'm CCing Lennart and Kay on the discussion about this. Creating this symlink in the oddjob would be somewhat error-prone. I'd rather that we ask logind to carry a patch just for F19 where the creation of XDG_RUNTIME_DIR

Re: Default libkrb5 ccache location

2013-07-26 Thread Stephen Gallagher
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 07/26/2013 01:40 PM, Lennart Poettering wrote: On Fri, 26.07.13 11:01, Stephen Gallagher (sgall...@redhat.com) wrote: I'm CCing Lennart and Kay on the discussion about this. Creating this symlink in the oddjob would be somewhat error-prone.

Re: Default libkrb5 ccache location

2013-07-26 Thread Lennart Poettering
On Fri, 26.07.13 13:57, Stephen Gallagher (sgall...@redhat.com) wrote: This would help us out on the 'su -l' and 'sudo -i' cases, but it still potentially leaves us with two problems that I'm not sure how to solve (without breaking the XDG_RUNTIME_DIR lifecycle definition). 1)

Re: Default libkrb5 ccache location

2013-07-26 Thread Simo Sorce
On Fri, 2013-07-26 at 20:15 +0200, Lennart Poettering wrote: On Fri, 26.07.13 13:57, Stephen Gallagher (sgall...@redhat.com) wrote: This would help us out on the 'su -l' and 'sudo -i' cases, but it still potentially leaves us with two problems that I'm not sure how to solve (without

Proposal: AutoQA Infrastructure Upgrade

2013-07-26 Thread Tim Flink
After looking at the jobstats on autoqa-stg over the last day or so since I changed all of the clients to be fc18, I'm happy enough with the completion rates to suggest that we upgrade production autoqa and get rid of our fc17 clients. Proposed setup: 2x virthosts with 4x VMs each, 4096M and 20G

Re: Default libkrb5 ccache location

2013-07-26 Thread Stephen Gallagher
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 07/26/2013 02:15 PM, Lennart Poettering wrote: On Fri, 26.07.13 13:57, Stephen Gallagher (sgall...@redhat.com) wrote: This would help us out on the 'su -l' and 'sudo -i' cases, but it still potentially leaves us with two problems that I'm not

Re: Default libkrb5 ccache location

2013-07-26 Thread Lennart Poettering
On Fri, 26.07.13 14:20, Simo Sorce (s...@redhat.com) wrote: We want this thing to work by default, having normal users to find out this lingering concept exist because operations that currently works start failing is already a big failure. OK, this is the deal-breaker. The thing about

Re: Default libkrb5 ccache location

2013-07-26 Thread Stephen Gallagher
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 07/26/2013 02:40 PM, Lennart Poettering wrote: On Fri, 26.07.13 14:20, Simo Sorce (s...@redhat.com) wrote: We want this thing to work by default, having normal users to find out this lingering concept exist because operations that currently

Re: Default libkrb5 ccache location

2013-07-26 Thread Lennart Poettering
On Fri, 26.07.13 14:32, Stephen Gallagher (sgall...@redhat.com) wrote: As Simo noted in the other thread, the availability of credentials outside the normal user session is an expectation of existing tools. The exposure here is significantly mitigated by the fact that Kerberos credentials are

Re: Default libkrb5 ccache location

2013-07-26 Thread Colin Walters
On Fri, 2013-07-26 at 13:57 -0400, Stephen Gallagher wrote: 2) We still need to consider use-cases where a cron job or other long-running service needs to use credentials given to it by the user, though they are no longer signed in. With the current approach, we still need to be concerned

Re: Default libkrb5 ccache location

2013-07-26 Thread Stephen Gallagher
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 07/26/2013 02:52 PM, Lennart Poettering wrote: On Fri, 26.07.13 14:32, Stephen Gallagher (sgall...@redhat.com) wrote: As Simo noted in the other thread, the availability of credentials outside the normal user session is an expectation of

Re: EPEL exim still maintained?

2013-07-26 Thread Dario Landazuri
Kevin, note that EPEL tries wherever possible to not push updates that are incompatible. I have no idea if there's any incompatible config changes or the like between those versions, but if there are that might be a reason it's not been updated yet. The best way forward is to file a bug and

Re: RFC: Proposal for a more agile Fedora.next (draft of my Flock talk)

2013-07-26 Thread Subhendu Ghosh
On Fri, Jul 26, 2013 at 8:32 AM, Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.netwrote: but to say a core / apps separation is fundamentally flawed is incorrect it is correct * go and play around with ldd /usr/bin/whatever-application * look how many share openssl, nspr, nss, libxml and a lot of more

[perl-Parallel-Prefork] Perl 5.18 rebuild

2013-07-26 Thread Petr Pisar
commit 76e927089a5a660f6cf7532a435bd3ca97d8a440 Author: Petr Písař ppi...@redhat.com Date: Fri Jul 26 21:33:31 2013 +0200 Perl 5.18 rebuild perl-Parallel-Prefork.spec |5 - 1 files changed, 4 insertions(+), 1 deletions(-) --- diff --git a/perl-Parallel-Prefork.spec

Does your application depend on, or report, free disk space? Re: F20 Self Contained Change: OS Installer Support for LVM Thin Provisioning

2013-07-26 Thread Miloslav Trmač
Hello all, with thin provisioning available, the total and free space values reported by a filesystem do not necessarily mean that that much space is _actually_ available (the actual backing storage may be smaller, or shared with other filesystems). If your package reports disk space usage to

Re: Doc dir related changes coming up

2013-07-26 Thread Ville Skyttä
On 2013-07-26 11:25, Ville Skyttä wrote: That list ended up longer than I thought. Unfortunately I don't have access to it right now, but will post it later today Here goes the list as run through fedoradev-pkgowners (owner packagename comaintainers): abompard ksshaskpass abrt-team abrt

Re: Does your application depend on, or report, free disk space? Re: F20 Self Contained Change: OS Installer Support for LVM Thin Provisioning

2013-07-26 Thread DJ Delorie
If your package reports disk space usage to users, and bases this on filesystem free space, please consider whether it might need to take LVM thin provisioning into account. Perhaps you could include a small code snippet explaining *how* to do this? Is there an lvm_thin_statfs() we can use?

Re: Following MPI packaging guidelines

2013-07-26 Thread Antonio Trande
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 07/25/2013 01:10 AM, Paulo César Pereira de Andrade wrote: What does mean serial mode ? :) MUMPS.mod.spec appears good. I would use the environment variables ($MPI_LIB and $MPI_INCLUDE) after module load mpi but the definitions should be

troubleshooting dnf slow connections

2013-07-26 Thread Chris Murphy
With dnf.noarch 0.3.8-2.git85524ae.fc19 I regularly get poor server connections for some reason, and it doesn't seem to have a reasonable way of giving up and falling back to another server. 22/122): espeak-1.47.11-2.fc19.x86_64.rpm (25%) 4% [== ] 39 B/s | 56 kB

Re: Default libkrb5 ccache location

2013-07-26 Thread Tomas Mraz
On Fri, 2013-07-26 at 12:22 -0400, Stephen Gallagher wrote: Well, *users* should not really notice or care where these things are unless they go looking for them. All a user cares about is whether they can authenticate and have access to their SSO credentials after doing so. Moving this

Re: troubleshooting dnf slow connections

2013-07-26 Thread Chris Murphy
On Jul 26, 2013, at 2:41 PM, Chris Murphy li...@colorremedies.com wrote: With dnf.noarch 0.3.8-2.git85524ae.fc19 I regularly get poor server connections for some reason, and it doesn't seem to have a reasonable way of giving up and falling back to another server. 22/122):

Re: Does your application depend on, or report, free disk space? Re: F20 Self Contained Change: OS Installer Support for LVM Thin Provisioning

2013-07-26 Thread Miloslav Trmač
On Fri, Jul 26, 2013 at 10:17 PM, DJ Delorie d...@redhat.com wrote: If your package reports disk space usage to users, and bases this on filesystem free space, please consider whether it might need to take LVM thin provisioning into account. Perhaps you could include a small code snippet

Re: Does your application depend on, or report, free disk space? Re: F20 Self Contained Change: OS Installer Support for LVM Thin Provisioning

2013-07-26 Thread drago01
On Fri, Jul 26, 2013 at 10:59 PM, Miloslav Trmač m...@volny.cz wrote: On Fri, Jul 26, 2013 at 10:17 PM, DJ Delorie d...@redhat.com wrote: If your package reports disk space usage to users, and bases this on filesystem free space, please consider whether it might need to take LVM thin

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