Re: RPM version goes backward in Rawhide

2011-07-27 Thread Michael Schwendt
On Wed, 27 Jul 2011 09:19:08 -0700, JK (Jesse) wrote: On 7/27/11 2:03 AM, Michael Schwendt wrote: There is a big difference between a package going backwards in its EVR and staying there and a package getting untagged because it breaks koji buildroot and with the plan to go forward in EVR

Re: RPM version goes backward in Rawhide

2011-07-28 Thread Michael Schwendt
On Wed, 27 Jul 2011 18:51:12 -0700, AW (Adam) wrote: On Wed, 2011-07-27 at 20:39 +0200, Michael Schwendt wrote: Take off your pink glasses. Rawhide *is* a dumping ground. It breaks users' installations regularly because of package maintainers using it as exactly that, a dumping ground

Re: RPM version goes backward in Rawhide

2011-07-29 Thread Michael Schwendt
On Fri, 29 Jul 2011 02:29:23 +0300, KL (Kalev) wrote: Bumping epoch in rpm would have made it harder for all other packages to depend on a particular rpm version. Instead of having e.g. Requires: rpm = 4.9.1, they would now also have to remember the put the correct epoch in there. Worth

Re: Strange RPM versioning problem in qemu in Rawhide

2011-08-02 Thread Michael Schwendt
On Tue, 02 Aug 2011 07:49:53 -0500, JMF (Justin) wrote: On Tue, 2011-08-02 at 13:37 +0100, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: Below are two packages. The first one is installed, the second one is built for Koji. Yum refuses to upgrade the installed package to the second one, saying:

Re: Strange RPM versioning problem in qemu in Rawhide

2011-08-02 Thread Michael Schwendt
On Tue, 02 Aug 2011 11:58:08 -0700, AW (Adam) wrote: 0.2.20110718525e3df.fc16 0.2.2011072859fadcc.fc17 Split up into the elements that RPM compares, these are: 0, 2, 20110718525, e, 3, df, fc, 16 0, 2, 2011072859, fadcc, fc, 17 The third elements cause

Re: To Require or not to Require?

2011-08-11 Thread Michael Schwendt
On Thu, 11 Aug 2011 13:19:49 +0100, DH (David) wrote: Hi, I have a package (keyutils) that produces three RPMs: keyutils (programs), keyutils-libs and keyutils-devel. The programs in the keyutils RPM depend on the libraries in the keyutils-libs RPM and pick up implicit dependencies thus:

Re: To Require or not to Require?

2011-08-11 Thread Michael Schwendt
On Thu, 11 Aug 2011 13:29:52 +0100, PH (Paul) wrote: Library requirements should be implicit unless there's a good reason otherwise; see: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Packaging:Guidelines#Explicit_Requires Not true, or not the full story. Library SONAME requirement for _external_ builds

Re: To Require or not to Require?

2011-08-11 Thread Michael Schwendt
On Thu, 11 Aug 2011 15:03:47 +0200, AS (Andreas) wrote: Library SONAME requirement for _external_ builds ought to stay implicit/automatic, but _libraries and subpackages_ are a different problem space. A library update may add stuff without changing its SONAME and while staying compatible

Re: To Require or not to Require?

2011-08-11 Thread Michael Schwendt
On Thu, 11 Aug 2011 15:24:30 +0200, AS (Andreas) wrote: The difference is that the subpackages may need the new symbols immediately when installing the packages, whereas future builds of external packages would link with the latest library version that has been released before and is the

Re: To Require or not to Require?

2011-08-11 Thread Michael Schwendt
On Thu, 11 Aug 2011 14:10:44 +0100, PH (Paul) wrote: Library SONAME requirement for _external_ builds ought to stay implicit/automatic, but _libraries and subpackages_ are a different problem space. A library update may add stuff without changing its SONAME and while staying compatible

Re: To Require or not to Require?

2011-08-11 Thread Michael Schwendt
On Thu, 11 Aug 2011 16:13:48 +0200, AS (Andreas) wrote: No external package can build with new features of the new foo-libs package prior to making that package available in the buildroot. How is the contents of the buildroot relevant to yum install bar? bar has been built with an

Re: To Require or not to Require?

2011-08-11 Thread Michael Schwendt
On Thu, 11 Aug 2011 17:23:06 +0200, AS (Andreas) wrote: On Thu, 11 Aug 2011 16:13:48 +0200, AS (Andreas) wrote: No external package can build with new features of the new foo-libs package prior to making that package available in the buildroot. How is the contents of the

Re: To Require or not to Require?

2011-08-12 Thread Michael Schwendt
On Fri, 12 Aug 2011 09:32:26 +0200, AS (Andreas) wrote: So, where are we now? yum install bar doesn't update foo-libs automagically. Which is why you may benefit from an explicit dependency *if* you publish such an updated bar that needs a specific minimum version of foo-libs:

Re: To Require or not to Require?

2011-08-12 Thread Michael Schwendt
On Fri, 12 Aug 2011 12:12:15 +0200, AS (Andreas) wrote: So, what is safer? Neither fixes the missing symbol. There is no missing symbol. Be more verbose. Your very brief replies don't give enough context. -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org

Re: To Require or not to Require?

2011-08-12 Thread Michael Schwendt
On Fri, 12 Aug 2011 13:00:57 +0200, AS (Andreas) wrote: There is no missing symbol. Of course there is. See http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.linux.redhat.fedora.devel/152427. No, there isn't, because of a subpackage dependency with full NEVR, even if that may not be needed as a default.

Re: To Require or not to Require?

2011-08-12 Thread Michael Schwendt
On Fri, 12 Aug 2011 14:30:46 +0200, Andreas Schwab sch...@redhat.com wrote: The separate bar package still is entirely irrelevant It kills your entire argument. Andreas. It still doesn't. libfoo update would need to come first. First come, first served. And what packaging techniques to

Re: conflict in packages in fedora 15

2011-08-12 Thread Michael Schwendt
On Fri, 12 Aug 2011 02:29:14 +0300, MA (Muayyad) wrote: hello, what is the reason for this Transaction Check Error: file /lib/firmware/phanfw.bin from install of netxen-firmware-4.0.534-4.fc15.noarch conflicts with file from package linux-firmware-20110601-1.fc15.noarch It's an

Re: To Require or not to Require?

2011-08-12 Thread Michael Schwendt
On Fri, 12 Aug 2011 15:54:45 +0200, Andreas Schwab sch...@redhat.com wrote: libfoo update would need to come first. How? Andreas. If you're serious about discussing this further, show that. I'm not going to reply to this thread anymore before tomorrow. With your single-word reply you

Re: To Require or not to Require?

2011-08-13 Thread Michael Schwendt
On Fri, 12 Aug 2011 17:30:10 +0100, MG (Matthew) wrote: On Fri, Aug 12, 2011 at 09:26:33AM -0700, Toshio Kuratomi wrote: On Fri, Aug 12, 2011 at 04:40:20PM +0100, Matthew Garrett wrote: Upstream can change the ABI as much as they want without bumping the SONAME providing that the old

Re: To Require or not to Require?

2011-08-13 Thread Michael Schwendt
On Fri, 12 Aug 2011 12:08:50 -0400, SS (Simo) wrote: If rpmbuild does not add an implicit requires with libraryX = version we built against then it is certainly broken. One could also argue that an activity like yum install ... ought to search for and apply the latest available updates of

Re: conflict in packages in fedora 15

2011-08-13 Thread Michael Schwendt
On Sat, 13 Aug 2011 17:14:38 +0300, MA (Muayyad) wrote: does tags: f17 in http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/buildinfo?buildID=257227 it's not pushed to 15, not even to 16 No, it isn't. Is it a major problem to you? Do you need that firmware? Did you try to install it? Or was it installed on

Re: Create rpm package for pjproject.

2011-08-15 Thread Michael Schwendt
On Mon, 15 Aug 2011 11:31:29 +0200, MS (Mario) wrote: Hi to all, I'm trying to create the rpm packages for pjproject to help sflphone request: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=692131 Pjproject is a set of libraries written in C language for building embedded/non-embedded VoIP

Re: To Require or not to Require?

2011-08-15 Thread Michael Schwendt
On Mon, 15 Aug 2011 16:20:47 -0400, SV (seth) wrote: On Sat, 2011-08-13 at 09:19 +0200, Michael Schwendt wrote: On Fri, 12 Aug 2011 12:08:50 -0400, SS (Simo) wrote: If rpmbuild does not add an implicit requires with libraryX = version we built against then it is certainly broken

GStreamer FLAC to Ogg conversion corrupts audio data stream

2011-08-16 Thread Michael Schwendt
Symptoms: Ogg files created from FLAC files using GStreamer contain stream errors, which either make them refuse to play in some devices or result in tiny interruptions during playback. Sometimes it isn't obvious that a file is corrupted, especially not if one doesn't listen to the file from start

Re: Best practice for extracting information from a makefile

2011-08-16 Thread Michael Schwendt
On Tue, 16 Aug 2011 08:18:54 -0500, RS (Richard) wrote: I'm working on a small library that uses a very simple makefile (no autoconf, etc.) and it sets the library name and soname within the makefile. Instead of hard coding it in the spec file I would like to extract the library name and

Re: Best practice for extracting information from a makefile

2011-08-16 Thread Michael Schwendt
On Tue, 16 Aug 2011 10:16:59 -0500, RS (Richard) wrote: Or perhaps you only need to run ldconfig -n ... to add missing symlinks? Gave it a shot. It does create the soname symlink but does not create a plain .so symlink for the -devel sub-package, so I still have to create that manually.

Re: Best practice for extracting information from a makefile

2011-08-16 Thread Michael Schwendt
On Tue, 16 Aug 2011 10:38:43 -0500, RS (Richard) wrote: cd %{buildroot}%{libdir} ldconfig -n $(pwd) ln -s %{name}.so.? %{name}.so cd - Wouldn't that create a symlink of a symlink? That isn't a problem, is it? All that matters is that the final symlink would point at a usable library

Re: GStreamer FLAC to Ogg conversion corrupts audio data stream

2011-08-18 Thread Michael Schwendt
First of all, thanks for responding. On Wed, 17 Aug 2011 17:27:35 +0200, BO (Benjamin) wrote: 2) Fedora does not have a lot of expertise with GStreamer If you look at the people who write the code upstream, you don't find (m)any people that are active in Fedora. I cannot know that, but as

Re: GStreamer FLAC to Ogg conversion corrupts audio data stream

2011-08-18 Thread Michael Schwendt
On Thu, 18 Aug 2011 12:57:22 -0500, CZ (charles) wrote: and then there's http://pacpl.sourceforge.net/ Note that if you insert your reply below a -- signature delimiter, most mail clients will be unable to quote your reply because they truncate everything below a signature. Anyway, there's

Re: [HEADS UP] remove ddate(1) command from rawhide

2011-08-29 Thread Michael Schwendt
On Mon, 29 Aug 2011 07:25:18 -0500, JC (Jon) wrote: On Monday, August 29, 2011, 7:54:10 AM, Karel Zak wrote: I'd like to remove: ddate - converts Gregorian dates to Discordian dates command from rawhide (F17). IMHO this crazy command is used by very very small minority of

Re: [HEADS UP] remove ddate(1) command from rawhide

2011-08-29 Thread Michael Schwendt
On Mon, 29 Aug 2011 15:42:18 +0300, KL (Kalev) wrote: On 08/29/2011 02:54 PM, Karel Zak wrote: I'd like to remove: ddate - converts Gregorian dates to Discordian dates command from rawhide (F17). IMHO this crazy command is used by very very small minority of Fedora users.

Re: [HEADS UP] remove ddate(1) command from rawhide

2011-08-29 Thread Michael Schwendt
On Mon, 29 Aug 2011 08:32:01 -0500, JC (Jon) wrote: On Mon, 29 Aug 2011 15:42:18 +0300, KL (Kalev) wrote: On 08/29/2011 02:54 PM, Karel Zak wrote: I'd like to remove: ddate - converts Gregorian dates to Discordian dates command from rawhide (F17). IMHO this crazy

Re: [HEADS UP] remove ddate(1) command from rawhide

2011-08-29 Thread Michael Schwendt
On Mon, 29 Aug 2011 08:47:40 -0500, JC (Jon) wrote: The Julian and Gregorian calendars are also of religious origin. Apples and oranges. Do you find anything like in the SEE ALSO section of man ddate also in man date? That may be (both are human constructs, it's like say hey, that's

Re: [HEADS UP] remove ddate(1) command from rawhide

2011-08-29 Thread Michael Schwendt
On Mon, 29 Aug 2011 10:27:40 -0500, JC (Jon) wrote: I'm not suggesting ddate is mission-critical, I just want reasons for it's removal or re-packaging to be well thought-out, not simply gosh, I don't sue that, so. . .. Otherwise we'll start dropping games. Sure (and not limited to games,

Re: flac to ogg/mp3 conversion script - ok to package for Fedora?

2011-09-05 Thread Michael Schwendt
On Mon, 5 Sep 2011 21:38:02 +0200, TM (Till) wrote: Hi, is it ok to package a pearl script to convert flac files to ogg or mp3 files? The conversion is done by calling the respective command line tools, i.e. no mp3 encoding logic is included in the script: http://smxi.org/acxi Kind

Re: Did gtkhtml2 package disappear?

2011-09-06 Thread Michael Schwendt
On Tue, 06 Sep 2011 09:34:32 -0400, DJW (Daniel) wrote: policycoreutils has broken dependencies in the rawhide tree: On x86_64: policycoreutils-gui-2.1.5-2.fc17.x86_64 requires gtkhtml2 On i386: policycoreutils-gui-2.1.5-2.fc17.i686 requires gtkhtml2 Please resolve this as soon

Re: Did gtkhtml2 package disappear?

2011-09-06 Thread Michael Schwendt
On Tue, 06 Sep 2011 13:00:21 -0400, DJW (Daniel) wrote: I guess what I really need is gnome-python2-gtkhtml2, has this been replaced? What I could find is a request to drop it (it's a gnome-python2-extras subpackage): Disable Python bindings for gtkhtml2 (dead package)

Re: submitters +1ing their own packages

2011-09-07 Thread Michael Schwendt
On Wed, 7 Sep 2011 11:00:57 +1000, PH (Peter) wrote: sometimes a +1 after weeks in testing is the only or at least easy way to nudge a package into stable. e.g: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/libXi-1.4.3-2.fc15 even with my +1 still not there, and this isn't the only package I've

Re: Compiling 32bit on 64bit Fedora

2011-09-07 Thread Michael Schwendt
On Wed, 7 Sep 2011 12:04:06 -0400, NM (Nathaniel) wrote: That was what I thought... Sot it was the first thing I tried (note, this is F16): $ sudo yum install glibc-devel.i686 Loaded plugins: fastestmirror, langpacks, presto, refresh-packagekit, remove-with-leaves, rpm-warm-cache, show-

Re: [RPM] for Jokosher 0.11.5 (F15 noarch)

2011-09-15 Thread Michael Schwendt
On Thu, 15 Sep 2011 16:39:23 -0500, RS (Richard) wrote: Here's the updated SRPM: http://hobbes1069.fedorapeople.org/jokosher/jokosher-0.11.5-1.fc15.src.rpm So the question remains, instead of seeing if someone else will submit it, why not submit it yourself? Notice that jokosher used to be

Re: how to have yum prefer one dependency over others

2011-09-16 Thread Michael Schwendt
On Fri, 16 Sep 2011 13:49:36 -0400, SV (seth) wrote: There are still a largish number of packages out there that have things like: Requires: foo where they really want: Requires: foo(64bit) Fixing this in some packages is not entirely easy. Why? Because whereas the %{name}%{?_isa}

Re: chkrootkit reports systemd:s default /sbin/init as INFECTED

2011-10-01 Thread Michael Schwendt
On Sat, 1 Oct 2011 09:58:12 +0200, LW (Linus) wrote: Following the intrusion on kernel.org I reverified my system with chkrootkit and it moans like this: Searching for Suckit rootkit... Warning: /sbin/init INFECTED SuckIT rootkit? Don't think so, because after yum reinstall systemd,

Re: wrong dependencies building perl-SOAP-WSDL

2011-10-04 Thread Michael Schwendt
On Tue, 4 Oct 2011 16:08:58 +0200, IA (Iain) wrote: a workaround with Provides does it's jon and all autotests are running fine - (transferdomain, createdomain, updatedomain, createperson.) Provides: perl(SOAP::WSDL::Header) Please don't provide things that you're not really

Re: yum update -- F16-latest = rawhide

2011-10-11 Thread Michael Schwendt
On Tue, 11 Oct 2011 17:19:22 +0530, KC (Kashyap) wrote: Heya, I'm trying to get rawhide running by yum updating a minimal footprint F16 virtual machine. Only @core package, so no gnome-* nothing else. And no /bin/sh either? It is provided by bash. ERROR with transaction check vs

Re: yum update -- F16-latest = rawhide

2011-10-11 Thread Michael Schwendt
On Tue, 11 Oct 2011 18:21:03 +0530, KC (Kashyap) wrote: On 10/11/2011 05:29 PM, Michael Schwendt wrote: On Tue, 11 Oct 2011 17:19:22 +0530, KC (Kashyap) wrote: Heya, I'm trying to get rawhide running by yum updating a minimal footprint F16 virtual machine. Only @core package, so

Re: yum update -- F16-latest = rawhide

2011-10-11 Thread Michael Schwendt
On Tue, 11 Oct 2011 19:22:34 +0300, TL (Tomi) wrote: Kashyap Chamarthy writes: Running Transaction Check ERROR with transaction check vs depsolve: /bin/sh is needed by groff-base-1.21-5.fc17.x86_64 I have this same problem when trying to upgrade from fedora 15 to rawhide. I noticed

Re: BEWARE: a problematic glibc made it to stable (F16)

2011-10-19 Thread Michael Schwendt
On Wed, 19 Oct 2011 23:36:43 +0200, HA (Heiko) wrote: IMHO Rawhide should be the only place where version-control-snapshots of such an important component like glibc should be allowed. Maybe it would be better to let the value of positive karma depend on the severity of the package. That

Re: Rawhide evolution gone funny

2011-11-02 Thread Michael Schwendt
On Wed, 2 Nov 2011 08:01:16 +, PR (Peter) wrote: Any ideas on what's happened? [paul@PB3 ~]$ rpm -qa evolution* evolution-data-server-3.2.0-1.fc17.x86_64 evolution-spamassassin-3.2.0-1.fc17.x86_64 evolution-data-server-devel-3.2.0-1.fc17.x86_64

Re: Heads up: libpng bumped to 1.5.x in rawhide

2011-11-05 Thread Michael Schwendt
On Sat, 05 Nov 2011 20:12:28 +0200, VS (Ville) wrote: On 11/05/2011 07:02 PM, Tom Lane wrote: The list of packages that need to be rebuilt is attached. I suggest maintainers take this opportunity to review whether all these packages really need to be linked against libpng - I'm positive

Re: reporting bugs

2011-11-05 Thread Michael Schwendt
On Sat, 05 Nov 2011 09:49:16 +0100, RH (Reindl) wrote: guys this is not the way you can act with users treat them report exactly where and how you like it, a few peopole will do, most will never again report any bug and stop testing packages and later if there are too few testers maintainers

Re: Heads up: libpng bumped to 1.5.x in rawhide

2011-11-05 Thread Michael Schwendt
On Sat, 05 Nov 2011 19:07:44 -0400, TL (Tom) wrote: On Sun, 06 Nov 2011 00:03:28 +0200, VS (Ville) wrote: How are you checking whether your executable ended up linked with something? Admittedly, I trusted Tom Lane's list of affected packages, looked at ldd -u -r output and then

Re: Heads up: libpng bumped to 1.5.x in rawhide

2011-11-06 Thread Michael Schwendt
On Sat, 05 Nov 2011 19:35:21 -0400, TL (Tom) wrote: On Sat, 05 Nov 2011 19:07:44 -0400, TL (Tom) wrote: My list was just the result of repoquery --whatrequires. The last Rawhide build of geeqie also doesn't depend on libpng*. F-15 does, however, which might be where you've run

Re: Heads up: libpng bumped to 1.5.x in rawhide

2011-11-07 Thread Michael Schwendt
On Sun, 06 Nov 2011 17:56:40 +0200, VS (Ville) wrote: Puzzles me. The F-16 build doesn't depend on libpng* directly: $ rpm -qR geeqie|grep png $ rpm -q geeqie geeqie-1.0-13.fc16.x86_64 I noticed a similar thing with gkrellm-volume -- the F-15 build did have a dependency on it, but

Re: Heads up: libpng bumped to 1.5.x in rawhide

2011-11-07 Thread Michael Schwendt
On Mon, 07 Nov 2011 17:35:53 +0200, VS (Ville) wrote: * The %configure macro (at least since F-16) does LDFLAGS=${LDFLAGS:--Wl,-z,relro }; export LDFLAGS; so one cannot simply export a customized $LDFLAGS in the spec file without disturbing the macro. That's what I meant

Re: why do I need colord?

2011-11-08 Thread Michael Schwendt
On Tue, 8 Nov 2011 08:53:58 +0100, MP (Michał) wrote: 2011/11/8 Kevin Kofler: Michał Piotrowski wrote: Out of curiosity I wanted to ask, why do I need colord on my system? Try yum remove colord and see what it wants to remove (and probably say no if it's anything important to you),

gnome-scan package status confusion

2011-11-09 Thread Michael Schwendt
Why is gnome-scan-0.6.2-7.fc15 offered in Fedora 16 when it has been retired months ago and is affected by serious crashers? The reports in bugzilla are without a reply from the assignee: http://bugz.fedoraproject.org/gnome-scan Has it been retired without requesting rel-eng to block it from

Re: Cannot upload sources to git repository

2011-11-10 Thread Michael Schwendt
On Fri, 11 Nov 2011 02:24:27 +0100, C (Casper) wrote: Hello, I have three approved packages : [1] https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=749320 [2] https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=741129 [3] https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=726080 I followed the link :

Re: PolicyKit not working in Rawhide?

2011-11-10 Thread Michael Schwendt
On Thu, 10 Nov 2011 18:22:55 -0800, AW (Adam) wrote: Anyone else noticed this? Anything which needs interactive auth via PK doesn't seem to work: when I run virt-manager it doesn't ask me for the root password and then successfully list out the local VMs, it just immediately displays an error

Re: Is FAS (Fedora Account System) broken?

2011-11-11 Thread Michael Schwendt
On Fri, 11 Nov 2011 10:17:20 + (UTC), AR (Andre) wrote: Adam Tkac atkac at redhat.com writes: today I tried to upload new bind tarball via `fedpkg new-sources` command but it failed with pycurl.error: (60, 'Peer certificate cannot be authenticated with given CA certificates')

Re: Getting grub launching the installer

2011-11-12 Thread Michael Schwendt
On Sat, 12 Nov 2011 09:04:33 -0500, SV (Sam) wrote: For the longest time, I was able to upgrade an existing system by copying over the pxeboot vmlinuz and initrd.img, sticking them into menu.lst, and directing grub to load them. Up until F14 this worked fine. F15's pxeboot/vmlinuz made

Re: Getting grub launching the installer

2011-11-12 Thread Michael Schwendt
On Sat, 12 Nov 2011 13:45:30 -0500, SV (Sam) wrote: F16 grub2 barfed and refused to install, when I got around to installing it via PXE. The machine survived a reboot, thanks to the F15 version of grub that was left intact. Removed grub2, installed F16 grub, applied all updates. The

Re: LibRaw rebase in rawhide

2011-11-16 Thread Michael Schwendt
On Wed, 16 Nov 2011 14:25:57 +0530, SP (Siddhesh) wrote: I have rebased LibRaw in rawhide to 0.14.3. There is now a shared library with this version, so it is recommended that packages that were linking against LibRaw statically, now do so dynamically. Only shotwell. $ repoquery

cone : potentially orphaned package

2011-11-17 Thread Michael Schwendt
2011-06-23 : FTBFS not responded to 2010-06-30 : -static packaging bug not responded to Plus, release 0.89 from 20-May-2011 is available whereas Fedora contains 0.84 from 2010 ( http://sourceforge.net/projects/courier/files/cone/ ). This looks like somebody with interest in Cone should sign up

syslinux package spec file

2011-11-17 Thread Michael Schwendt
Main package syslinux does: Obsoletes: syslinux-devel %{version}-%{release} Provides: syslinux-devel However, a syslinux-devel subpackage definition is present. A -devel package is built. No comment explains above Obs/Prov pair. %changelog only says: * Thu Dec 17 2009 Peter Jones … -

Re: Upgrading libpng: shall we move to 1.4.x or 1.5.x?

2011-11-20 Thread Michael Schwendt
On Wed, 09 Nov 2011 10:42:10 -0500, TL (Tom) wrote: On Fri, 2011-11-04 at 13:12 -0400, Tom Lane wrote: I plan to provide the 1.2.x libpng shared library (and only the library, not its devel support files) in a libpng-compat subpackage for the time being. Any reason why the compat

Re: strange koji behaviour

2011-11-20 Thread Michael Schwendt
On Sun, 20 Nov 2011 16:33:38 +0100, AR (Adrian) wrote: I just tried to rebuild kover and it failed during build with a strange error: http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/getfile?taskID=3527418name=build.logoffset=-4000 The reason for this error is, however, a broken dependency.

Re: Fedora clean up process seems to be seriously broken...

2011-11-21 Thread Michael Schwendt
On Mon, 21 Nov 2011 20:56:02 +, JBG (Jóhann) wrote: Instead of everybody that are doing needed work in the distribution having to run around after maintainers trying to find out if they are still active or not and initiate the unresponsive maintainer policy, cant we revert the process

Re: Upgrading libpng: shall we move to 1.4.x or 1.5.x?

2011-11-21 Thread Michael Schwendt
On Mon, 21 Nov 2011 16:26:02 -0500, TL (Tom) wrote: With pkgconfig(libpng) = 1.2.46 pkgconfig(libpng12) = 1.2.46 once libpng12.pc gets removed from the distribution, the dep-chains break, of course. As a temporary work-around, you could have provided that thing manually in

Re: Fedora clean up process seems to be seriously broken...

2011-11-21 Thread Michael Schwendt
On Mon, 21 Nov 2011 22:58:50 +0100, RH (Reindl) wrote: +1 nothing is more frustrating for users as ignored bugreports reintroduced from release to relase while th eonly response is from bugzapper about EOL of the release Well, that's not the same problem as this thread is about. There a

Re: Fedora clean up process seems to be seriously broken...

2011-11-22 Thread Michael Schwendt
On Tue, 22 Nov 2011 00:09:36 +0100, RH (Reindl) wrote: Am 21.11.2011 23:50, schrieb Michael Schwendt: On Mon, 21 Nov 2011 22:58:50 +0100, RH (Reindl) wrote: +1 nothing is more frustrating for users as ignored bugreports reintroduced from release to relase while th eonly

Re: Fedora clean up process seems to be seriously broken...

2011-11-22 Thread Michael Schwendt
On Tue, 22 Nov 2011 00:00:33 +0100, MT (Miloslav) wrote: Nothing is in place to detect inactive maintainers automatically. We don't really need absolute automation - if a package is not actively maintained but nobody notices, does it really matter?[1] Yes. Users notice, but they report

Re: Fedora clean up process seems to be seriously broken...

2011-11-22 Thread Michael Schwendt
On Tue, 22 Nov 2011 17:32:56 +0100, VO (Vít) wrote: I remember at leas one example from history when I was not able to reach the maintainer and at the end he was quite angry that I was so daring to call him unresponsive, even though I wanted just to help him. Also, there are other

Re: Fedora clean up process seems to be seriously broken...

2011-11-22 Thread Michael Schwendt
On Tue, 22 Nov 2011 11:05:37 -0600, RS (Richard) wrote: 2011/11/22 Bruno Wolff III: One area where we could probably do more advertising for is getting new packagers via the co-maintainer route. I think most of the new packagers still come in by packaging a new package. I think we really

Re: Dropping the ownership model

2011-11-22 Thread Michael Schwendt
On Tue, 22 Nov 2011 17:51:31 +, JBG (Jóhann) wrote: What do people see as pros and cons continuing to use the current package ownership model? Understand a package's owners as some sort of micro-SIG. The people who sign up as a package's team of owners are the ones who want to be

Re: Fedora clean up process seems to be seriously broken...

2011-11-22 Thread Michael Schwendt
On Tue, 22 Nov 2011 17:59:58 +, TH (Tom) wrote: Uh, come on, ... package submitters waiting on the NEEDSPONSOR list could _really_ work a little bit more actively on persuading potential sponsors of their packaging skills. Instead, some wait silently for months without doing any

Re: Getting Sponsored (was Re: Fedora clean up process seems to be seriously broken...)

2011-11-22 Thread Michael Schwendt
On Tue, 22 Nov 2011 13:26:27 -0600, RS (Richard) wrote: Also along these lines... Perhaps this has been discussed before I'm not aware of it but do we really need to hold up a package because the submitter needs a sponsor? What I mean by that is, if I'm not misunderstanding the process,

Re: Fedora clean up process seems to be seriously broken...

2011-11-22 Thread Michael Schwendt
On Tue, 22 Nov 2011 12:25:35 -0600, RS (Richard) wrote: [...] question: How does a sponsor find future sponsors? Just because I complete an informal or formal review doesn't mean that a sponsor sees it, unless there's some system that provides visibility that I'm unaware of. Well, one way

Re: Fedora clean up process seems to be seriously broken...

2011-11-22 Thread Michael Schwendt
On Tue, 22 Nov 2011 14:30:47 -0600, RS (Richard) wrote: How does someone who needs to be sponsored make sure that their informal reviews get noticed? Not everyone will 'toot their own horn' so to speak. That doesn't mean they are not a good prospect as a packager. Similar answer as before.

Re: Fedora clean up process seems to be seriously broken...

2011-11-22 Thread Michael Schwendt
On Tue, 22 Nov 2011 15:47:32 -0600, RS (Richard) wrote: but that's a separate problem. The shear amount of documentation/guidelines there are. Hey, :) you know what? Troublesome newbies would like even more documentation, guidelines and policy documents. Also a book about koji, bodhi, package

Re: Just Patched Kmess 2.0.6.1 :)

2011-11-23 Thread Michael Schwendt
On Wed, 23 Nov 2011 14:52:11 -0600, ME (Manuel) wrote: (Cross Posting both to the Developers and Users List, sent a copy to Rex Dieter, who I believe is the maintainer for Kmess in the Fedora Community) http://bugz.fedoraproject.org/kmess -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org

Re: Fedora clean up process seems to be seriously broken...

2011-11-24 Thread Michael Schwendt
On Wed, 23 Nov 2011 08:18:11 -0600, RS (Richard) wrote: I didn't imply that there should be less documentation or guidelines, only that it's more than a person can grok at one time. That's too vague for me to understand it. Some topics are covered by entire books, for example even several

Re: Fedora clean up process seems to be seriously broken...

2011-11-24 Thread Michael Schwendt
On Thu, 24 Nov 2011 11:49:00 +0100, I wrote: [...] some level of perseverance, some sort of prove that they are willing to [...] s/prove/proof/ -- Not an attempt at fixing all embarrassing typos, however. ;) -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org

Re: F16 possible glibc 2.14.90-19 problems

2011-11-29 Thread Michael Schwendt
On Tue, 29 Nov 2011 11:28:49 +0100, MP (Michał) wrote: Hi, I've got 15 daemons writen in python that run php tasks. When I start all daemons I see a lot of segfaults in logs. [139860.124330] php[30470]: segfault at 14 ip 7f515ba0c7d8 sp 7fff64d4a2d0 error 4 in

Re: Can anyone contact Balint Christian (rezso)?

2010-07-30 Thread Michael Schwendt
On Fri, 30 Jul 2010 21:13:21 +0800, Chen wrote: It seems a considerable amount of packages in fedora don't update for years. If you find any, open a ticket and mention the new release. I think we should add some policy to address those unmaintained packages, There is the non-responsive

Re: repos.fedorapeople.org

2010-07-31 Thread Michael Schwendt
On Sat, 31 Jul 2010 09:11:57 +0200, Stefan wrote: On Fri, 30 Jul 2010 16:04:20 -0500 (CDT) Mike McGrath wrote: MM MM http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedorapeople_Repos http://repos.fedorapeople.org/repos/ There is one repo called bioinfornatics, I am pretty sure it should be

Re: Massive broken deps and tagging into dist-f14?

2010-07-31 Thread Michael Schwendt
On Sat, 31 Jul 2010 11:13:49 +0900, Mamoru wrote: Hello, all: This morning I receided massive broken deps on F-14 and then received massive mails of tagging into dist-f14 tree. Can I assume that I can ignore these broken deps report or there is something I have to do for this? Why did we

Re: Massive broken deps and tagging into dist-f14?

2010-07-31 Thread Michael Schwendt
On Sat, 31 Jul 2010 18:30:49 +0900, Mamoru wrote: Michael Schwendt wrote, at 07/31/2010 05:44 PM +9:00: On Sat, 31 Jul 2010 11:13:49 +0900, Mamoru wrote: Hello, all: This morning I receided massive broken deps on F-14 and then received massive mails of tagging into dist-f14 tree. Can

Re: nonresponsive maintainer policy

2010-08-02 Thread Michael Schwendt
On Mon, 02 Aug 2010 12:31:22 +0100, James wrote: Remember that some packages get very little activity because they need very little. And these are not a problem at all. Increasing someone's AWOLness counter because they didn't for example, update ed is just plain silly. [snipped the rest

Re: F-14 Branched report: 20100802 changes

2010-08-02 Thread Michael Schwendt
On Mon, 02 Aug 2010 14:17:43 -0600, Nathanael wrote: On 08/02/2010 09:32 AM, Branched Report wrote: Compose started at Mon Aug 2 13:15:11 UTC 2010 Broken deps for x86_64 -- barry-0.17-0.1.20100329git.fc14.x86_64 requires

Re: Is PulseAudio dead?

2010-08-02 Thread Michael Schwendt
On Mon, 02 Aug 2010 16:01:02 -0400, Carl wrote: Perhaps we could organize a bug zapping day for the pulseaudio bugs? Sure, i'm willing to _try_ to help if we can get Lennart to participate and/or pulseaudio experts to assist us. Pulseaudio is currently marked as Only for PA experts here

Re: nonresponsive maintainer policy

2010-08-03 Thread Michael Schwendt
On Tue, 03 Aug 2010 11:27:00 +0100, James wrote: On 08/02/2010 01:41 PM, Michael Schwendt wrote: On Mon, 02 Aug 2010 12:31:22 +0100, James wrote: Remember that some packages get very little activity because they need very little. And these are not a problem at all. Increasing

Re: [ACTION REQUIRED] orphaned packages in F-14

2010-08-04 Thread Michael Schwendt
On Wed, 4 Aug 2010 12:32:23 -0400, Bill wrote: Unblocked orphan librsvg2 What's going on here? More than a dozen Red Hat people with commit access, but access was denied to one other Red Hat employee. Why? https://admin.fedoraproject.org/pkgdb/acls/name/librsvg2 | xiphmont's Info | xiphmont's

EsounD (was: Re: [ACTION REQUIRED] orphaned packages in F-14)

2010-08-05 Thread Michael Schwendt
On Thu, 5 Aug 2010 10:46:42 + (UTC), Petr wrote: I agree NAS is very old audio system, but it has history. It works (or should work) across operating systems (do not think only about Linux). In addition it supports bidirectional sound transmission (from microphone). PulseAudio is

Re: [ACTION REQUIRED] orphaned packages in F-14

2010-08-07 Thread Michael Schwendt
On Fri, 06 Aug 2010 14:11:20 -0400, Matthias wrote: On Wed, 2010-08-04 at 12:32 -0400, Bill Nottingham wrote: Unblocked orphan librsvg2 I've taken ownership of this now, since dropping it is not an option. If anybody else wants to maintain the package, please let me know, I'm happy to

Re: abrt thoughts pre-rfe q?

2010-08-07 Thread Michael Schwendt
On Sat, 07 Aug 2010 11:51:07 +0100, Frank wrote: Thougth I ask for some feedback. Currently when abrt finds an existing bug, it goes similar bug found, (shows a link) adding you to cc looking at some of the bugs, that I have reported or cc'd on. Where someone earlier in the thread had

Re: Slow updates?

2010-08-07 Thread Michael Schwendt
On Sat, 07 Aug 2010 20:24:42 +0100, David wrote: How long should it take for these to get pushed? https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/openconnect-2.25-1.fc12 https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/openconnect-2.25-1.fc13 Bodhi bug? Where's the bodhi comment saying that you've submitted

Re: Slow updates?

2010-08-07 Thread Michael Schwendt
On Sat, 07 Aug 2010 20:42:18 +0100, David wrote: On Sat, 2010-08-07 at 21:35 +0200, Michael Schwendt wrote: On Sat, 07 Aug 2010 20:24:42 +0100, David wrote: How long should it take for these to get pushed? https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/openconnect-2.25-1.fc12 https

Re: Plan for tomorrow's FESCo meeting (2010-08-10)

2010-08-10 Thread Michael Schwendt
On Tue, 10 Aug 2010 14:20:04 -0600, Kevin wrote: * LINK: http://fedoraproject.org/PackageReviewStatus/MERGE.html (nirik, 19:59:05) * AGREED: : encourage provenpackagers to commit to rawhide fixes for merge reviews. said pp's should not be the reviewer. Pardon? What exactly is the

Re: Plan for tomorrow's FESCo meeting (2010-08-10)

2010-08-11 Thread Michael Schwendt
On Tue, 10 Aug 2010 18:03:07 -0400, Bill wrote: Michael Schwendt said: * LINK: http://fedoraproject.org/PackageReviewStatus/MERGE.html (nirik, 19:59:05) * AGREED: : encourage provenpackagers to commit to rawhide fixes for merge reviews. said pp's should

Re: New bodhi release in production

2010-08-13 Thread Michael Schwendt
On Thu, 12 Aug 2010 17:57:28 -0400, Luke wrote: A new version of bodhi has just hit production. This release contains a number of bugfixes and improvements, along with some important process changes. - Minimum time-in-testing requirements - Every day bodhi will look for

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