Re: why is gurb-menu hidden as default?

2012-05-25 Thread Peter Jones
Matthew said: Add a byte to the grub config block (wherever setdefault gets written) indicating whether a boot was clean or not. Have grub set clear that at kernel load, and then have a userspace app that sets it at the completion of boot. Check whether it's set or not on next boot and use

Re: why is gurb-menu hidden as default?

2012-05-25 Thread Adam Williamson
On Fri, 2012-05-25 at 11:35 -0400, Peter Jones wrote: Matthew said: Add a byte to the grub config block (wherever setdefault gets written) indicating whether a boot was clean or not. Have grub set clear that at kernel load, and then have a userspace app that sets it at the completion

Re: why is gurb-menu hidden as default?

2012-02-07 Thread Harald Hoyer
Am 06.02.2012 20:17, schrieb Miloslav Trmač: About a year ago Harald had a talk about a smart initrd / integrated rescue mode along similar lines. Is this still under development? Mirek Not yet developed, but still on my agenda -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org

Re: why is gurb-menu hidden as default?

2012-02-06 Thread Tomasz Torcz
On Mon, Feb 06, 2012 at 02:55:38PM +0100, Reindl Harald wrote: who decided that it is a good idea to hide the grub-menu? It was F10 feature: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/BetterStartup I believe showing GRUB2 menu is a regression which will be fixed before F17 release. -- Tomasz

Re: why is gurb-menu hidden as default?

2012-02-06 Thread Tomasz Torcz
On Mon, Feb 06, 2012 at 03:16:40PM +0100, Reindl Harald wrote: Am 06.02.2012 15:07, schrieb Tomasz Torcz: On Mon, Feb 06, 2012 at 02:55:38PM +0100, Reindl Harald wrote: who decided that it is a good idea to hide the grub-menu? It was F10 feature:

Re: why is gurb-menu hidden as default?

2012-02-06 Thread drago01
On Mon, Feb 6, 2012 at 3:16 PM, Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net wrote: Am 06.02.2012 15:07, schrieb Tomasz Torcz: On Mon, Feb 06, 2012 at 02:55:38PM +0100, Reindl Harald wrote: who decided that it is a good idea to hide the grub-menu? It was F10 feature:

Re: why is gurb-menu hidden as default?

2012-02-06 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 06.02.2012 17:10, schrieb Tomasz Torcz: On Mon, Feb 06, 2012 at 03:16:40PM +0100, Reindl Harald wrote: Am 06.02.2012 15:07, schrieb Tomasz Torcz: On Mon, Feb 06, 2012 at 02:55:38PM +0100, Reindl Harald wrote: who decided that it is a good idea to hide the grub-menu? It was F10

Re: why is gurb-menu hidden as default?

2012-02-06 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 06.02.2012 17:16, schrieb drago01: On Mon, Feb 6, 2012 at 3:16 PM, Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net wrote: Am 06.02.2012 15:07, schrieb Tomasz Torcz: On Mon, Feb 06, 2012 at 02:55:38PM +0100, Reindl Harald wrote: who decided that it is a good idea to hide the grub-menu? It was F10

Re: why is gurb-menu hidden as default?

2012-02-06 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Mon, Feb 06, 2012 at 17:22:52 +0100, Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net wrote: GRUB2 menu is shown in F16. This is a regression compared to F10÷15. See https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=757487 and linked bugs #737339 and #727831. this is a behavior that should never

Re: why is gurb-menu hidden as default?

2012-02-06 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 06.02.2012 17:25, schrieb Bruno Wolff III: On Mon, Feb 06, 2012 at 17:22:52 +0100, Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net wrote: GRUB2 menu is shown in F16. This is a regression compared to F10÷15. See https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=757487 and linked bugs #737339 and

Re: why is gurb-menu hidden as default?

2012-02-06 Thread Rahul Sundaram
On 02/06/2012 10:01 PM, Reindl Harald wrote: it was refreshed for me with the question below without such idiotic changes this sort of problems would simply not exist and people would learn to use their OS instead obfuscate all options from the users like windows what does this user if

Re: why is gurb-menu hidden as default?

2012-02-06 Thread Matthew Garrett
On Mon, Feb 06, 2012 at 05:25:08PM +0100, Reindl Harald wrote: and why are there so many noobs with questions like after a kernel update my machine does no longer boot if this decision would be smart? The solution to My kernel update doesn't boot should be Automatically detect that that

Re: why is gurb-menu hidden as default?

2012-02-06 Thread Michael Cronenworth
Reindl Harald wrote: it was refreshed for me with the question below without such idiotic changes this sort of problems would simply not exist and people would learn to use their OS instead obfuscate all options from the users like windows what does this user if he has no other computer for his

Re: why is gurb-menu hidden as default?

2012-02-06 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 06.02.2012 17:35, schrieb Rahul Sundaram: On 02/06/2012 10:01 PM, Reindl Harald wrote: it was refreshed for me with the question below without such idiotic changes this sort of problems would simply not exist and people would learn to use their OS instead obfuscate all options from

Re: why is gurb-menu hidden as default?

2012-02-06 Thread Josh Boyer
On Mon, Feb 6, 2012 at 11:36 AM, Matthew Garrett mj...@srcf.ucam.org wrote: On Mon, Feb 06, 2012 at 05:25:08PM +0100, Reindl Harald wrote: and why are there so many noobs with questions like after a kernel update my machine does no longer boot if this decision would be smart? The solution

Re: why is gurb-menu hidden as default?

2012-02-06 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 06.02.2012 17:37, schrieb Michael Cronenworth: Reindl Harald wrote: it was refreshed for me with the question below without such idiotic changes this sort of problems would simply not exist and people would learn to use their OS instead obfuscate all options from the users like windows

Re: why is gurb-menu hidden as default?

2012-02-06 Thread Rahul Sundaram
On 02/06/2012 10:08 PM, Reindl Harald wrote: it is a Fedora development discussion and no there is not a bugreport the right answer because it is a WRONG desicion made in Fedora some releases ago to hide the boot-menu why a CentOS user wants to boot into a alternative kernel is not a Fedora

Re: why is gurb-menu hidden as default?

2012-02-06 Thread Petr Šabata
On Mon, Feb 06, 2012 at 05:38:51PM +0100, Reindl Harald wrote: Am 06.02.2012 17:35, schrieb Rahul Sundaram: On 02/06/2012 10:01 PM, Reindl Harald wrote: it was refreshed for me with the question below without such idiotic changes this sort of problems would simply not exist and

Re: why is gurb-menu hidden as default?

2012-02-06 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 06.02.2012 17:44, schrieb Petr Šabata: I am completely happy with a hidden menu and if it wasn't like that by default, I'd just change my grub settings. That's my opinion and taste, different from yours. Ha. no problem, configure it the new user does know nothing about it! Teach

Re: why is gurb-menu hidden as default?

2012-02-06 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 06.02.2012 17:42, schrieb Rahul Sundaram: On 02/06/2012 10:08 PM, Reindl Harald wrote: it is a Fedora development discussion and no there is not a bugreport the right answer because it is a WRONG desicion made in Fedora some releases ago to hide the boot-menu why a CentOS user wants

Re: why is gurb-menu hidden as default?

2012-02-06 Thread Matthew Garrett
On Mon, Feb 06, 2012 at 11:40:28AM -0500, Josh Boyer wrote: On Mon, Feb 6, 2012 at 11:36 AM, Matthew Garrett mj...@srcf.ucam.org wrote: The solution to My kernel update doesn't boot should be Automatically detect that that happened, give the user that information and fall back to the old

Re: why is gurb-menu hidden as default?

2012-02-06 Thread Petr Šabata
On Mon, Feb 06, 2012 at 05:50:59PM +0100, Reindl Harald wrote: Am 06.02.2012 17:44, schrieb Petr Šabata: I am completely happy with a hidden menu and if it wasn't like that by default, I'd just change my grub settings. That's my opinion and taste, different from yours. Ha. no

Re: why is gurb-menu hidden as default?

2012-02-06 Thread Peter Jones
On 02/06/2012 11:40 AM, Josh Boyer wrote: On Mon, Feb 6, 2012 at 11:36 AM, Matthew Garrettmj...@srcf.ucam.org wrote: On Mon, Feb 06, 2012 at 05:25:08PM +0100, Reindl Harald wrote: and why are there so many noobs with questions like after a kernel update my machine does no longer boot if this

Re: why is gurb-menu hidden as default?

2012-02-06 Thread Jarosław Górny
Hi, Wiadomość napisana w dniu 2012-02-06, o godz. 17:55, przez Reindl Harald: in your arguments if you have any. why do you not read the arguments? * a new user does not know anything about the menu * a new user fall into a boot problem after update If we are considering such a newbie

Re: why is gurb-menu hidden as default?

2012-02-06 Thread Rahul Sundaram
On 02/06/2012 10:25 PM, Reindl Harald wrote: it is a GENERAL discussion affecting fedora too and was introduced in CentOS from fedora If Fedora users are affected, . be more direct. CentOS or RHEL discussions here are not appropriate. why do you not read the arguments? Because it was mixed

Re: why is gurb-menu hidden as default?

2012-02-06 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 06.02.2012 18:02, schrieb Jarosław Górny: Hi, Wiadomość napisana w dniu 2012-02-06, o godz. 17:55, przez Reindl Harald: in your arguments if you have any. why do you not read the arguments? * a new user does not know anything about the menu * a new user fall into a boot problem

Re: why is gurb-menu hidden as default?

2012-02-06 Thread Przemek Klosowski
On 02/06/2012 11:58 AM, Peter Jones wrote: grubby, and something would have to provide a systemd service. Here's the basic algorithm: 1) kernel's %post/%posttrans adds the new stanza using new-kernel-package/ grubby, but doesn't make the new kernel default. 2) kernel's %post saves new

Re: why is gurb-menu hidden as default?

2012-02-06 Thread Miloslav Trmač
About a year ago Harald had a talk about a smart initrd / integrated rescue mode along similar lines. Is this still under development? Mirek -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: why is gurb-menu hidden as default?

2012-02-06 Thread Peter Jones
On 02/06/2012 02:01 PM, Przemek Klosowski wrote: On 02/06/2012 11:58 AM, Peter Jones wrote: grubby, and something would have to provide a systemd service. Here's the basic algorithm: 1) kernel's %post/%posttrans adds the new stanza using new-kernel-package/ grubby, but doesn't make the new

Re: why is gurb-menu hidden as default?

2012-02-06 Thread Adam Williamson
On Mon, 2012-02-06 at 18:02 +0100, Jarosław Górny wrote: Hi, Wiadomość napisana w dniu 2012-02-06, o godz. 17:55, przez Reindl Harald: in your arguments if you have any. why do you not read the arguments? * a new user does not know anything about the menu * a new user fall into