On Thu, 2008-07-31 at 17:27 +0100, Tomeu Vizoso wrote:
On Tue, Jul 29, 2008 at 3:15 PM, riccardo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Problem: sugar starts up slowly on the xo
Tests were ran on an xo after a clean joyride-2181 install plus
sucrose's activities.
A graph of the ending part of the
On 01.08.2008, at 04:29, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Thu, 31 Jul 2008, Walter Bender wrote:
Maybe the console is enough?
if the console font has been changed to something more readable it
can be
used.
Still wondering why Albert's font has not been adopted.
Every time I olpc-update I'm
Hello everyone,
I am trying to get started experimenting with mesh networking,
but I can't seem to be able to do the basics.
I got two XOs (with different builds, one is the latest joyride). I
get them both connected say to Mesh 1. I see that ifconfig reports
a IP address on each machine for
Hi James,
As noted here before, using a multi-threaded activity interferes with power
management. Read Etexts will have functioning power management if
speech-dispatcher is not installed, but will not if it is installed, even if
you never use the Speech feature. I know Hemant Goyal was
On Fri, Aug 1, 2008 at 7:55 AM, riccardo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Thu, 2008-07-31 at 17:27 +0100, Tomeu Vizoso wrote:
On Tue, Jul 29, 2008 at 3:15 PM, riccardo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I guess that's for the mesh and friends view?
Oh, right!
+1 for changing the algorithm.
Eben, can you
On Fri, Aug 1, 2008 at 3:26 AM, Mikus Grinbergs [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Recently, I have on two occasions with Joyride (2229+, 2232) pressed
ctl-alt-erase in order to restart Sugar. Both times. when Sugar
came up, the Journal screen told me 'Your journal is empty'.
If unwanted emptying of
The new Sucrose 0.81.6 Development Release is out!
This is Release Candidate 2 [1]. This cycle was again about stabilizing the
release. Thanks to all the translators we were able to get many new
translations
in. All the Fructose modules have been released containing the new strings.
Thanks
On Fri, Aug 1, 2008 at 11:55 AM, Tomeu Vizoso [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Fri, Aug 1, 2008 at 3:26 AM, Mikus Grinbergs [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Recently, I have on two occasions with Joyride (2229+, 2232) pressed
ctl-alt-erase in order to restart Sugar. Both times. when Sugar
came up, the
On Thu, Jul 31, 2008 at 4:14 AM, Bastien [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
John Gilmore [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
you can't just share a file, you have to share an activity, ...
Right.
Idea for a new activity: Candy Bag. You open a bag (i.e. you launch the
CandyBag activity), then you put journal
More in the just how ARE these XOs meant to be charged off grid
department
Rescued Smart Drive NZ made washing machine PM stepper motors have
found immense use for
Tomeu Vizoso wrote:
On Fri, Aug 1, 2008 at 3:26 AM, Mikus Grinbergs [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Recently, I have on two occasions with Joyride (2229+, 2232) pressed
ctl-alt-erase in order to restart Sugar. Both times. when Sugar
came up, the Journal screen told me 'Your journal is empty'.
On Fri, Aug 01, 2008 at 11:23:49AM +0200, Bert Freudenberg wrote:
http://dev.laptop.org/~bert/whiteonblack.tar.gz
+1
Works for me. But.
Odd that it is slower than an xterm for displaying a ps ax ... 0.517s
on 703 in the xterm, 3.068s in the text console ... why is it six times
slower?
(The
http://xs-dev.laptop.org/~cscott/olpc/streams/joyride/build2239
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On 01.08.2008, at 14:43, James Cameron wrote:
On Fri, Aug 01, 2008 at 11:23:49AM +0200, Bert Freudenberg wrote:
http://dev.laptop.org/~bert/whiteonblack.tar.gz
+1
Works for me. But.
Odd that it is slower than an xterm for displaying a ps ax ...
0.517s
on 703 in the xterm, 3.068s in
Now, another bit of info I can't find in Walter's minimalist draft
for the updated
Sugar is how access newly created activities, which I have put in the
~/Activities together with the rest.
The 'list' view only gives me the installed activities, which is no use to me.
Restarting X does not make
On 1 Aug 2008, at 03:25, Walter Bender wrote:
Curious as to what occasions need root access within X Windows? Maybe
the console is enough?
-walter
I don't think I've used the console in months, nice to know it's there
in an emergency, but it was problematic to use for normal admin tasks
Victor Lazzarini wrote:
Now, another bit of info I can't find in Walter's minimalist draft
for the updated
Sugar is how access newly created activities, which I have put in the
~/Activities together with the rest.
The 'list' view only gives me the installed activities, which is no use to
The keyboard issue is simply a matter of having the correct console
keyboard map files installed. The one for Spanish is attached. Not
sure what the current plan is for inclusion of these files (Dennis?).
It should be installed in /lib/kbd/keymaps/i386/qwerty
Regarding your second point, this is
Not sure which logs. I can see all the installed activities but
none of my custom ones.
Victor
At 14:51 01/08/2008, Marco Pesenti Gritti wrote:
Victor Lazzarini wrote:
Now, another bit of info I can't find in Walter's minimalist draft
for the updated
Sugar is how access newly created
not sure what the difference is between an installed activity and a
custom activity.
-walter
On Fri, Aug 1, 2008 at 10:01 AM, Victor Lazzarini
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Not sure which logs. I can see all the installed activities but
none of my custom ones.
Victor
At 14:51 01/08/2008, Marco
On Fri, Aug 1, 2008 at 1:24 PM, Shikhar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Tomeu Vizoso wrote:
On Fri, Aug 1, 2008 at 3:26 AM, Mikus Grinbergs [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Recently, I have on two occasions with Joyride (2229+, 2232) pressed
ctl-alt-erase in order to restart Sugar. Both times. when Sugar
On 01.08.2008, at 16:01, Victor Lazzarini wrote:
Not sure which logs. I can see all the installed activities but
none of my custom ones.
Then your custom activity must be malformed. See
http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Activity_bundles
(once the wiki finds its marbles again).
The logs are in
Hemant,
Thanks for the reply. I'll try to get to using those new RPMs when I
can. I hope the Python fix does the trick. It would save me from
having to rewrite the Activity.
I understand about the instructions for installing the RPMs not being on
the Wiki. I just mentioned that for the
I know where the logs are. I am not sure which of the logs Marco
was referring to.
At 15:13 01/08/2008, Bert Freudenberg wrote:
On 01.08.2008, at 16:01, Victor Lazzarini wrote:
Not sure which logs. I can see all the installed activities but
none of my custom ones.
Then your custom activity
Spread layout should:
* Position icons so as to minimize overlap
* Support a suggested location for the position of a given icon
* Support both addition and removal of nodes
* Support in-place scaling of nodes, both growing and shrinking
* Have a low big-O (O(n)? O(nlogn)? But, as we've seen, it
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Eben Eliason wrote:
| Spread layout should:
...
| * Have a low big-O (O(n)? O(nlogn)? But, as we've seen, it also needs a
| fairly low constant)
Surely the layout should be cached on disk, so that the algorithm is not
invoked on boot? The layout
On Fri, Aug 01, 2008 at 10:19:50AM -0400, Eben Eliason wrote:
Another potentially interesting solution is a pseudo-spring algorithm, by
which we detect some numbers of neighbors (O(n)) and then we push those
neighbors away with some force vector, the magnitude of which is weighted
based on the
On Fri, Aug 1, 2008 at 10:27 AM, Benjamin M. Schwartz
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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Eben Eliason wrote:
| Spread layout should:
...
| * Have a low big-O (O(n)? O(nlogn)? But, as we've seen, it also needs a
| fairly low constant)
Surely the
On Fri, Aug 1, 2008 at 10:29 AM, Erik Garrison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Fri, Aug 01, 2008 at 10:19:50AM -0400, Eben Eliason wrote:
Another potentially interesting solution is a pseudo-spring algorithm, by
which we detect some numbers of neighbors (O(n)) and then we push those
neighbors
On Fri, 2008-08-01 at 10:41 -0400, Eben Eliason wrote:
On Fri, Aug 1, 2008 at 10:29 AM, Erik Garrison [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
On Fri, Aug 01, 2008 at 10:19:50AM -0400, Eben Eliason wrote:
Another potentially interesting solution is a pseudo-spring
algorithm, by
On Fri, Aug 01, 2008 at 04:53:20PM +0200, riccardo wrote:
What about doing collision detection with Box2D (fast, well maintained
etc..) ?
Didn't get shouted down last time you (or someone) mentioned it on
IRC. +1.
riccardo
Martin
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On Fri, Aug 01, 2008 at 10:41:41AM -0400, Eben Eliason wrote:
On Fri, Aug 1, 2008 at 10:29 AM, Erik Garrison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Fri, Aug 01, 2008 at 10:19:50AM -0400, Eben Eliason wrote:
Another potentially interesting solution is a pseudo-spring algorithm, by
which we detect
On Fri, Aug 01, 2008 at 10:41:41AM -0400, Eben Eliason wrote:
I could also see this working to bring frequently used activities to the
center of the screen, and less frequently used ones to the edge (thought
that interferes with free placement).
As long as we don't end up with personalized
http://xs-dev.laptop.org/~cscott/olpc/streams/joyride/build2240
Changes in build 2240 from build: 2239
Size delta: 0.00M
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+sugar-journal 96-1.fc9
-sugar 0.81.7-1.fc9
+sugar 0.81.8-1.fc9
-sugar-base 0.81.2-3.fc9
+sugar-base 0.81.3-1.fc9
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On Fri, Aug 01, 2008 at 12:49:31AM -0400, Mikus Grinbergs wrote:
I have a general question. I'm going to be helping some Ship.2 G1G1
users (without developer keys) to perform off-line-upgrades of their
systems. Currently I have to data mine through the wiki to verify
which builds are signed
On Fri, Aug 01, 2008 at 02:45:38PM +0100, Gary C Martin wrote:
On 1 Aug 2008, at 03:25, Walter Bender wrote:
Curious as to what occasions need root access within X Windows? Maybe
the console is enough?
That would work nicely for me, though it will work much less well for
people who desire the
On Fri, Aug 01, 2008 at 12:08:25PM -0400, Michael Stone wrote:
On Fri, Aug 01, 2008 at 02:45:38PM +0100, Gary C Martin wrote:
2) Often the olpc related scripts I'd be trying to use would have some
hooks into X, and other environment variables. Without a lot of env
hacking/guessing they
olpc-update is presently only runnable on machines which have already
passed the boot-lock; therefore its operation does not require any
additional signatures.
Thank you. Now it makes sense to me -- a wrongdoer can insert a
device and try booting it (e.g., the four-game-button press) -- so
Just entered a ticket (#7755) in trac about this subject.
See the trac entry for details.
Ton van Overbeek
PS if this is considered too much noise on the devel list, please tell
me and I'll confine my bug reporting to trac.
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On Fri, 1 Aug 2008, Gary C Martin wrote:
On 1 Aug 2008, at 03:25, Walter Bender wrote:
Curious as to what occasions need root access within X Windows? Maybe
the console is enough?
-walter
I don't think I've used the console in months, nice to know it's there
in an emergency, but it was
On Fri, Aug 01, 2008 at 11:03:39AM -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
numerous 'special keys' don't work at the console, including adjusting the
screen brightness.
To get this to work we would have to push olpc-specific drivers into the
kernel, correct?
Erik
Erik Garrison [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
On Thu, Jul 31, 2008 at 12:40:39AM +0200, Bastien wrote:
It's not that important anyway. It just occurred to me that the
dependancies management challenge could be somehow dealt with by
delivering a set of default activities. I'm not aware of any
On Fri, Aug 01, 2008 at 08:21:34PM +0200, Bastien wrote:
Erik Garrison [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
On Thu, Jul 31, 2008 at 12:40:39AM +0200, Bastien wrote:
It's not that important anyway. It just occurred to me that the
dependancies management challenge could be somehow dealt with by
http://xs-dev.laptop.org/~cscott/olpc/streams/joyride/build2241
Changes in build 2241 from build: 2240
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0.81.1-2.20080709gitc77b345c02.fc9 ---
+
erik wrote:
On Fri, Aug 01, 2008 at 11:03:39AM -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
numerous 'special keys' don't work at the console, including adjusting the
screen brightness.
To get this to work we would have to push olpc-specific drivers into the
kernel, correct?
not necessarily.
Why does it matter that you cannot adjust the screen brightness from
the console using the special keys? You can adjust it from Sugar
without root access. The idea was to understand what limits we'd face
using the console for root access instead of a special terminal
activity. What are the Sugar/X
Happened to notice *two* entries for the same Activity (different
versions) in the list view of Home. [I don't know *how* that
happened to come about.] Investigated, and found that while I had
manually (with 'sugar-install-bundle) installed the current version
of that Activity, there was
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Walter Bender wrote:
| What are the Sugar/X Window actions that require root
| access?
This discussion is becoming a little confusing. The problem is not just
root access. There are three accounts in play here: root, olpc, and
10005 (an arbitrary
Hi,
Cozybit has been working on new thinmac firmware for the Libertas
chip that allows use of the chip in hostmode and I've built it
against our Joyride kernels so that others can play around with it
and provide feedback.
You will need to do the following:
Install a recent joyrid. Latest is
G1G1, Joyride 2241. In one Terminal session started mplayer -- it
was playing a movie. Went to another Terminal session, and entered
some commands. Noticed that not all of the text on that screen was
equally distinct - some of it was paler than others. Noticed that
*which* text was paler
Why does it matter that you cannot adjust the screen brightness from
the console using the special keys? You can adjust it from Sugar
without root access. The idea was to understand what limits we'd face
using the console for root access instead of a special terminal
activity. What are the
Hi S,
Thanks for the comments and for checking these pages!
Let me try to clarify.
As it stands today:
***
8.1.1 = ECO-5 = 708
8.1.1 is almost ready but it needs another review of the release
notes (http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Release_Notes/8.1.1) and confirmation
of the exact image
On Fri, Aug 1, 2008 at 4:07 PM, John Gilmore [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Why does it matter that you cannot adjust the screen brightness from
the console using the special keys? You can adjust it from Sugar
without root access. The idea was to understand what limits we'd face
using the
Hello,
I'm writing a physics problem solving game: http://wiki.laptop.org/go/X2o
It runs fine when I launch it from the command line (Terminal Activity as
user olpc) via sugar-launch. It works regardless of the current working
directory.
But, it hangs when I launch it from the ring on the home
2008/8/1 Eben Eliason [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Fri, Aug 1, 2008 at 4:07 PM, John Gilmore [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Why does it matter that you cannot adjust the screen brightness from
the console using the special keys? You can adjust it from Sugar
without root access. The idea was to
Problem: anything named Journal, Terminal, Log, or Analyze is not
isolated. This is the biggest security hole we have right now: it is a
trivial way for any activity to get root access.
Idea: as a short-term hack (until we have good cryptographic signatures for
activities), only turn off
Alex Levenson wrote:
Hello,
I'm writing a physics problem solving game: http://wiki.laptop.org/go/X2o
It runs fine when I launch it from the command line (Terminal Activity
as user olpc) via sugar-launch. It works regardless of the current
working directory.
But, it hangs when I launch
Hi All,
I believe the definitive documentation is in the release notes:
http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Release_Notes/8.2.0#Home_View_Redesign
Walter's link has some more detail and information but I don't think its
up to date. e.g. it doesn't have the Software Updates GUI in the Sugar
Control
On Fri, Aug 1, 2008 at 11:35 PM, Alex Levenson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
In the Terminal Activity, from any directory. Usually from the activity's
directory, but it works from anywhere (I've tried).
Do you have the same problem with other activities? If so please open
a ticket about this.
Marco
On Fri, 1 Aug 2008, Walter Bender wrote:
Why does it matter that you cannot adjust the screen brightness from
the console using the special keys? You can adjust it from Sugar
without root access.
so you switch from sugar to the console, something changes (including
noticing that the font
Hi All,
Guillaume, Sjoerd, Dafydd, Elliot, Robot101 and I met on IRC today at
10AM US ET.
We reviewed the open collaboration bugs list by this query:
On Fri, Aug 1, 2008 at 5:01 PM, Jameson Chema Quinn
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Problem: anything named Journal, Terminal, Log, or Analyze is not
isolated. This is the biggest security hole we have right now: it is a
trivial way for any activity to get root access.
Another possible short-term
Ticket #7741 [1] points out that inconsistencies in the default colors of
activity icons appear in the filter of the Journal. This is Sugar's fault,
not yours. Unfortunately, we can't adjust the APIs as needed in order to
fix this correctly for 8.2, and so we instead humbly request that all
On Fri, Aug 1, 2008 at 4:01 PM, C. Scott Ananian [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Fri, Aug 1, 2008 at 5:01 PM, Jameson Chema Quinn
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Problem: anything named Journal, Terminal, Log, or Analyze is not
isolated. This is the biggest security hole we have right now: it is a
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Eben Eliason wrote:
| Is it possible that we could
| simply have a P_ROOT permission as well, or does that blow Bitfrost out of
| the water?
It's called P_SF_RUN or P_SF_CORE, depending on what you mean by root. In
other words, yes, this was
On 01/08/08 15:00 -0400, Mikus Grinbergs wrote:
G1G1, Joyride 2241. In one Terminal session started mplayer -- it
was playing a movie. Went to another Terminal session, and entered
some commands. Noticed that not all of the text on that screen was
equally distinct - some of it was paler
In the Terminal Activity, from any directory. Usually from the activity's
directory, but it works from anywhere (I've tried).
On Fri, Aug 1, 2008 at 5:13 PM, Marco Pesenti Gritti [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote:
Alex Levenson wrote:
Hello,
I'm writing a physics problem solving game:
On 1 Aug 2008, at 14:54, Walter Bender wrote:
The keyboard issue is simply a matter of having the correct console
keyboard map files installed. The one for Spanish is attached. Not
sure what the current plan is for inclusion of these files (Dennis?).
It should be installed in
Erik Garrison [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Maybe what I'm suggesting boils down to integrate this core activities
in the environment so that people installing Sugar won't have to install
them separatly. Just the same way that installing a standard Fedora
will install Gnome (will install
Jordan Crouse writes:
Video is muxed to the visible screen through the use of a color key -
given a rectangle of some size, the hardware compares all of the pixels
in that rectangle against a set color - if they match, then a pixel of
the video frame is shown, otherwise not.
That should have
On Thu, 2008-07-31 at 22:12 +0200, J.M. Maurer wrote:
On Thu, 2008-07-31 at 21:37 +1000, Martin Edmund Sevior wrote:
Thanks Tomeu and Eben. Yes, we'll need to expand the abiwidget api.
I'll look to do this if I can can get sugar-jhbuild to work again.
That, or we could just add an
something very basic is not working well with Python - reading 1MB
from a process and writing it to a file gets truncated at random
points. Not being a native Python speaker, review and comments
welcome. Hopefully I'm not losing my mind just yet.
Summary:
- The script untars an XO image under
can you post the logs?
2008/8/1 Alex Levenson [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
In the Terminal Activity, from any directory. Usually from the activity's
directory, but it works from anywhere (I've tried).
On Fri, Aug 1, 2008 at 5:13 PM, Marco Pesenti Gritti [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
Alex Levenson wrote:
I need to install a win32 program for my father to
use on his XO. At 1200x900 resolution the text is
**way** too small for him to read. However, it is
very clear :-)
In some previous discussion on the XO bug tracker
ssb22 managet to use x11vnc to get a 2X zoom going
for the XO and WINE. In
2008/8/1 Build Announcer v2 [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
http://xs-dev.laptop.org/~cscott/olpc/streams/faster/build2242
I've unretired the faster branch temporarily to collect some
measurements on the costs of adding xfce to our builds. I also added
some patches from my local git to sugar-artwork for
On Fri, Aug 1, 2008 at 11:57 PM, C. Scott Ananian [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
2008/8/1 Build Announcer v2 [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
I also added
some patches from my local git to sugar-artwork for #7641 (fixing some
broken icons in xfce) and to sugar for #7495 and #7685 for my own
testing and
Hi,
I've unretired the faster branch temporarily to collect some
measurements on the costs of adding xfce to our builds.
Could we see what the cost is to go to a full GNOME/nautilus, too?
Thanks,
- Chris.
--
Chris Ball [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Sat, Aug 2, 2008 at 3:29 PM, Martin Langhoff
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
something very basic is not working well with Python - reading 1MB
from a process and writing it to a file gets truncated at random
points. Not being a native Python speaker, review and comments
welcome. Hopefully I'm not
On Mon, Jul 28, 2008 at 6:32 PM, Jerry Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Seems like this problem for linux was solved with RPM.
I wouldn't go quite that far. The holes in RPM drove me to Debian. %-[
With rpm if something is missing for something you want to install, it
complains and won't let
On Wed, Jul 30, 2008 at 2:21 PM, Greg Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi All,
I wrote up some collaboration requirements to help get us to a
definition of collaboration support that teachers can use in schools.
Thanks. It is not clear to me whether you mean to include the case of
children at
Some notes that will come out in the community news tomorrow -
- I'm working hard to make xs-0.4 a more featureful release, I know
0.3 is _boring_ :-)
- I've spent a lot of time exploring the state of distro build tools
for Fedora. The livecd approach we use on the XS images is brittle and
not
Hi Tarun,
Thanks.
I think Pablo is the primary driver of requirements and priorities now.
As long as he appreciates that we only have one more week of coding
time, we should try to do whatever he needs to get us to Beta and real
blog posts from real schools.
You have done a super job! Way
Hi Tarun et al,
The presentation went well and there were applause when I posted some
pictures and text to blogger.com!
Scott and Michael raised the question of why we didn't build it as a .xo
only project with no need for server. I explained the constraints of
time and image in Uruguay and
On Sat, Aug 2, 2008 at 3:29 PM, Martin Langhoff
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
something very basic is not working well with Python - reading 1MB
from a process and writing it to a file gets truncated at random
points. Not being a native Python speaker, review and comments
welcome. Hopefully I'm not
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