Re: [DDN] The future of DDN
What, you mean this? http://www.lullabot.com/audiocast/the_drupal_song grin FWIW, the Kabissa site is drupal and civicrm, and through it we are able to have a group blogging platform wih email notifications permitting email replies, monthly email newsletter and periodic special mailings. This works well enough for our community, with mostly lurkers, but it has been slow going to encourage people to participate more actively. It was also not free to set up and maintain - if a budget exists to actually develop a new platform using drupal I would recommend it. If not, I would recommend we just switch the DDN list over to a free ASP service like ning.com. Cheers, Tobias On Tue, Nov 11, 2008 at 7:38 AM, Taran Rampersad` taran.a.ramper...@gmail.com wrote: /me hums Drupal's theme at Tobias as well. Tobias Eigen wrote: Thanks Adam - this is all very interesting. I think the biggest problem I am seeing is that emails get stacked up for approval - this really limits any real discussion that might take place here on this list. I'd propose either opening it up or recruiting some volunteers to help manage the approval queue on a daily if not more regular basis. The ning idea is a good one, especially since it's a free (advertising driven) platform. I believe educators can get advertising-free spaces. Another platform well suited for email-empowered online communities is golightly, used at http://groups.nten.org If you are really concerned about costs for DDN into the future, then rolling your own site might not be a great idea. Cheers, Tobias On Mon, Oct 20, 2008 at 9:07 AM, adamcl...@takingitglobal.org wrote: Thanks for the responses to our idea of what to do with DDN :) To clear somethings up: -Tobias asked if the donation for membership is voluntary or not. We have no intention of charging people to access DDN. What we do want to do is identify people who are financial supporters of DDN. We don't have a donation system set up yet because we wanted to make sure that it was a good idea first. -The wiki issue is being looked into. The system should be able to handle your existing DDN login information so you don't have to create two accounts and login to both all the time. -Taran's idea of GoogleAds is interesting and we'll have our tech team see how easy it is to implement. Which should be very easy. The hard part will be finding a space for them as we don't want GoogleAds on the front page of DDN has it may make the site look less credible. Any thoughts on that note? -Many people have suggested moving DDN to a new system. This is just as hard (or even harder) than keeping our current system running. We've though about this at TIG and were moving ahead with our system because it is the easiest for our developers to work on. Adam Clare ___ DIGITALDIVIDE mailing list DIGITALDIVIDE@digitaldivide.net http://digitaldivide.net/mailman/listinfo/digitaldivide To unsubscribe, send a message to digitaldivide-requ...@digitaldivide.netwith the word UNSUBSCRIBE in the body of the message. -- -- Taran Rampersad c...@knowprose.com http://www.knowprose.com http://www.your2ndplace.com http://www.opendepth.com http://www.flickr.com/photos/knowprose/ Criticize by Creating - Michelangelo The present is theirs; the future, for which I really worked, is mine. - Nikola Tesla ___ DIGITALDIVIDE mailing list DIGITALDIVIDE@digitaldivide.net http://digitaldivide.net/mailman/listinfo/digitaldivide To unsubscribe, send a message to digitaldivide-requ...@digitaldivide.netwith the word UNSUBSCRIBE in the body of the message. -- Tobias Eigen Senior Steward - IT Global Action Networks-Net (GAN-Net) http://www.gan-net.net Executive Director Kabissa - Space for Change in Africa http://www.kabissa.org ___ DIGITALDIVIDE mailing list DIGITALDIVIDE@digitaldivide.net http://digitaldivide.net/mailman/listinfo/digitaldivide To unsubscribe, send a message to digitaldivide-requ...@digitaldivide.net with the word UNSUBSCRIBE in the body of the message.
Re: [DDN] The future of DDN
What I have not seen in this exchange is the cost for the system including: a) the number of staff, their positions, full or part time and the over all costs for each area (not individuals), mgmt, tech support, etc b) the overhead costs for hardware, software and other maint. issues c) other costs. In other words, what does the quick books version of this operation look like d) what is the proposed model going forward- maintain the status quo or build a new, different and potentially lower cost operation My bet is that the current model which was funded by the WB and other sources is not the lean/mean web versions that so many other networks are using. If the above are not put on the table then there is no way to understand what the next steps should be. Concerns over approving postings etc are mis-directions and not the issue at hand dr. tom p abeles, president sagacity, inc 3704 11th ave south minneapolis, mn 55407 tabe...@hotmail.com Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 11:38:41 -0400 To: digitaldivide@digitaldivide.net From: taran.a.ramper...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [DDN] The future of DDN /me hums Drupal's theme at Tobias as well. Tobias Eigen wrote: Thanks Adam - this is all very interesting. I think the biggest problem I am seeing is that emails get stacked up for approval - this really limits any real discussion that might take place here on this list. I'd propose either opening it up or recruiting some volunteers to help manage the approval queue on a daily if not more regular basis. The ning idea is a good one, especially since it's a free (advertising driven) platform. I believe educators can get advertising-free spaces. Another platform well suited for email-empowered online communities is golightly, used at http://groups.nten.org If you are really concerned about costs for DDN into the future, then rolling your own site might not be a great idea. Cheers, Tobias On Mon, Oct 20, 2008 at 9:07 AM, adamcl...@takingitglobal.org wrote: Thanks for the responses to our idea of what to do with DDN :) To clear somethings up: -Tobias asked if the donation for membership is voluntary or not. We have no intention of charging people to access DDN. What we do want to do is identify people who are financial supporters of DDN. We don't have a donation system set up yet because we wanted to make sure that it was a good idea first. -The wiki issue is being looked into. The system should be able to handle your existing DDN login information so you don't have to create two accounts and login to both all the time. -Taran's idea of GoogleAds is interesting and we'll have our tech team see how easy it is to implement. Which should be very easy. The hard part will be finding a space for them as we don't want GoogleAds on the front page of DDN has it may make the site look less credible. Any thoughts on that note? -Many people have suggested moving DDN to a new system. This is just as hard (or even harder) than keeping our current system running. We've though about this at TIG and were moving ahead with our system because it is the easiest for our developers to work on. Adam Clare ___ DIGITALDIVIDE mailing list DIGITALDIVIDE@digitaldivide.net http://digitaldivide.net/mailman/listinfo/digitaldivide To unsubscribe, send a message to digitaldivide-requ...@digitaldivide.netwith the word UNSUBSCRIBE in the body of the message. -- -- Taran Rampersad c...@knowprose.com http://www.knowprose.com http://www.your2ndplace.com http://www.opendepth.com http://www.flickr.com/photos/knowprose/ Criticize by Creating - Michelangelo The present is theirs; the future, for which I really worked, is mine. - Nikola Tesla ___ DIGITALDIVIDE mailing list DIGITALDIVIDE@digitaldivide.net http://digitaldivide.net/mailman/listinfo/digitaldivide To unsubscribe, send a message to digitaldivide-requ...@digitaldivide.net with the word UNSUBSCRIBE in the body of the message. _ Suspicious message? There’s an alert for that. http://windowslive.com/Explore/hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_hotmail_acq_broad2_122008 ___ DIGITALDIVIDE mailing list DIGITALDIVIDE@digitaldivide.net http://digitaldivide.net/mailman/listinfo/digitaldivide To unsubscribe, send a message to digitaldivide-requ...@digitaldivide.net with the word UNSUBSCRIBE in the body of the message.
Re: [DDN] The future of DDN
hmm, how long between submission and approval as in this just released batch of postings. I am wondering how useful a network working in the ICT4Dev area really is with gate keepers. Think China in today's world. Who would fund such an organization when the internet is pushing for open source/open access and the number of free blog and similar social networking tools are supported by volunteers? I still am interested in seeing the books for the proposed organization and who has their hands on the kill switch of intellectual ideas. Funding comes with strings best tom tom abeles --- From: tabe...@hotmail.com To: digitaldivide@digitaldivide.net Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 10:56:02 -0600 Subject: Re: [DDN] The future of DDN What I have not seen in this exchange is the cost for the system including: a) the number of staff, their positions, full or part time and the over all costs for each area (not individuals), mgmt, tech support, etc b) the overhead costs for hardware, software and other maint. issues c) other costs. In other words, what does the quick books version of this operation look like d) what is the proposed model going forward- maintain the status quo or build a new, different and potentially lower cost operation My bet is that the current model which was funded by the WB and other sources is not the lean/mean web versions that so many other networks are using. If the above are not put on the table then there is no way to understand what the next steps should be. Concerns over approving postings etc are mis-directions and not the issue at hand dr. tom p abeles, president sagacity, inc 3704 11th ave south minneapolis, mn 55407 tabe...@hotmail.com Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 11:38:41 -0400 To: digitaldivide@digitaldivide.net From: taran.a.ramper...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [DDN] The future of DDN /me hums Drupal's theme at Tobias as well. Tobias Eigen wrote: Thanks Adam - this is all very interesting. I think the biggest problem I am seeing is that emails get stacked up for approval - this really limits any real discussion that might take place here on this list. I'd propose either opening it up or recruiting some volunteers to help manage the approval queue on a daily if not more regular basis. The ning idea is a good one, especially since it's a free (advertising driven) platform. I believe educators can get advertising-free spaces. Another platform well suited for email-empowered online communities is golightly, used at http://groups.nten.org If you are really concerned about costs for DDN into the future, then rolling your own site might not be a great idea. Cheers, Tobias On Mon, Oct 20, 2008 at 9:07 AM, adamcl...@takingitglobal.org wrote: Thanks for the responses to our idea of what to do with DDN :) To clear somethings up: -Tobias asked if the donation for membership is voluntary or not. We have no intention of charging people to access DDN. What we do want to do is identify people who are financial supporters of DDN. We don't have a donation system set up yet because we wanted to make sure that it was a good idea first. -The wiki issue is being looked into. The system should be able to handle your existing DDN login information so you don't have to create two accounts and login to both all the time. -Taran's idea of GoogleAds is interesting and we'll have our tech team see how easy it is to implement. Which should be very easy. The hard part will be finding a space for them as we don't want GoogleAds on the front page of DDN has it may make the site look less credible. Any thoughts on that note? -Many people have suggested moving DDN to a new system. This is just as hard (or even harder) than keeping our current system running. We've though about this at TIG and were moving ahead with our system because it is the easiest for our developers to work on. Adam Clare ___ DIGITALDIVIDE mailing list DIGITALDIVIDE@digitaldivide.net http://digitaldivide.net/mailman/listinfo/digitaldivide To unsubscribe, send a message to digitaldivide-requ...@digitaldivide.netwith the word UNSUBSCRIBE in the body of the message. -- -- Taran Rampersad c...@knowprose.com http://www.knowprose.com http://www.your2ndplace.com http://www.opendepth.com http://www.flickr.com/photos/knowprose/ Criticize by Creating - Michelangelo The present is theirs; the future, for which I really worked, is mine. - Nikola Tesla ___ DIGITALDIVIDE mailing list DIGITALDIVIDE@digitaldivide.net http://digitaldivide.net/mailman/listinfo/digitaldivide To unsubscribe, send a message to digitaldivide-requ
Re: [DDN] The future of DDN
Hello all and Tom, Have been reading this stuff about future of DDN which essentially needed some funding. We which sites do not need funding. :) Tom you mentioned about China. Just like to ask does anyone has contacts with China in the education sector looking for solution for their rural schools. We are looking for contacts with people in the education sectors in developing countries like China, India etc. WE specialise in closing the digital divides in developing countries without the need for broadband which is slow and expensive. If members can introduce to us education officers in developing countries, in the event of sales, we can contribute some commissions to DDN to run the it. This is just a realistic suggestion. Hoping for free money/contribution is not that easy to run DDN. I have gone away from that model to close the digital divides. Regards Aan www.paperlesshomework.com An elearning solution for rural areas where online/CDs cannot reach. Get the latest happenings through paperlesshomework tool bar www.paperlesshomework.communitytoolbars.com --- On Wed, 12/31/08, tom abeles tabe...@hotmail.com wrote: From: tom abeles tabe...@hotmail.com Subject: Re: [DDN] The future of DDN To: digitaldivide@digitaldivide.net Date: Wednesday, December 31, 2008, 1:20 AM hmm, how long between submission and approval as in this just released batch of postings. I am wondering how useful a network working in the ICT4Dev area really is with gate keepers. Think China in today's world. Who would fund such an organization when the internet is pushing for open source/open access and the number of free blog and similar social networking tools are supported by volunteers? I still am interested in seeing the books for the proposed organization and who has their hands on the kill switch of intellectual ideas. Funding comes with strings best tom tom abeles --- From: tabe...@hotmail.com To: digitaldivide@digitaldivide.net Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 10:56:02 -0600 Subject: Re: [DDN] The future of DDN What I have not seen in this exchange is the cost for the system including: a) the number of staff, their positions, full or part time and the over all costs for each area (not individuals), mgmt, tech support, etc b) the overhead costs for hardware, software and other maint. issues c) other costs. In other words, what does the quick books version of this operation look like d) what is the proposed model going forward- maintain the status quo or build a new, different and potentially lower cost operation My bet is that the current model which was funded by the WB and other sources is not the lean/mean web versions that so many other networks are using. If the above are not put on the table then there is no way to understand what the next steps should be. Concerns over approving postings etc are mis-directions and not the issue at hand dr. tom p abeles, president sagacity, inc 3704 11th ave south minneapolis, mn 55407 tabe...@hotmail.com Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 11:38:41 -0400 To: digitaldivide@digitaldivide.net From: taran.a.ramper...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [DDN] The future of DDN /me hums Drupal's theme at Tobias as well. Tobias Eigen wrote: Thanks Adam - this is all very interesting. I think the biggest problem I am seeing is that emails get stacked up for approval - this really limits any real discussion that might take place here on this list. I'd propose either opening it up or recruiting some volunteers to help manage the approval queue on a daily if not more regular basis. The ning idea is a good one, especially since it's a free (advertising driven) platform. I believe educators can get advertising-free spaces. Another platform well suited for email-empowered online communities is golightly, used at http://groups.nten.org If you are really concerned about costs for DDN into the future, then rolling your own site might not be a great idea. Cheers, Tobias On Mon, Oct 20, 2008 at 9:07 AM, adamcl...@takingitglobal.org wrote: Thanks for the responses to our idea of what to do with DDN :) To clear somethings up: -Tobias asked if the donation for membership is voluntary or not. We have no intention of charging people to access DDN. What we do want to do is identify people who are financial supporters of DDN. We don't have a donation system set up yet because we wanted to make sure that it was a good idea first. -The wiki issue is being looked into. The system should be able to handle your existing DDN login information so you don't have to create two accounts and login to both all the time. -Taran's idea of GoogleAds is interesting and we'll have our tech team see how easy it is to implement. Which should be very easy. The hard part will be finding a space for them as we don't want GoogleAds
Re: [DDN] The future of DDN
Let's simplify. Ismael Peña-López wrote: I'd second Andy's proposal to recruit some volunteers and let the list run (smoothly) for a while. i. Forgive me. That was Andy's proposal when DDN left Benton, and there was a sincere attempt to do that to some degree. It didn't work then, it hasn't worked since, and I am wondering how it will work now. Sure, back in 1999 we had less tech. We also had less distractive technology. This may seem somewhat counter to the context of the list itself, but just because we have technology doesn't mean we have to use it all the time. Fired are good for cooking, but people who use them too much are called arsonists... if you take my point. -- -- Taran Rampersad taran.a.ramper...@gmail.com http://www.knowprose.com http://www.your2ndplace.com http://www.opendepth.com http://www.flickr.com/photos/knowprose/ Criticize by Creating - Michelangelo The present is theirs; the future, for which I really worked, is mine. - Nikola Tesla ___ DIGITALDIVIDE mailing list DIGITALDIVIDE@digitaldivide.net http://digitaldivide.net/mailman/listinfo/digitaldivide To unsubscribe, send a message to digitaldivide-requ...@digitaldivide.net with the word UNSUBSCRIBE in the body of the message.
Re: [DDN] The future of DDN
We see this often with our clients; technology shouldn't be implemented for technology's sake. If people are comfortable with a mailing list, then that's what they'll use, even if the client just spent a hideous amount of money on their shiny new online communications center that the marketing / branding guys are drooling over. 1. Perhaps we should take a step back and think about what DDN actually *needs*? Speaking as a project manager, I'd like to know what this project's must-have, nice-to-have, and pie-in-the-sky wishlist features are. What is actually being used on the site, other than the mailing list? Are there online denizens of the forums or blogs who we're leaving out of this conversation? 2. I noticed the site now carries this message: This is a static archive of the Digital Divide Network content. Due to the extraordinary amount of spam being posted and traffic to the site from robots overwhelming the site with inappropriate content, TakingITGlobal can no longer afford to maintain and manage the site content. However, you are welcome to browse the wealth of content on the site. Blogs can still be contributed to the site via RSS syndication, and member profiles are still active! In other words, the site has been killed off, or will remain as a hub of syndicated content from other sources. How much traffic was DDN receiving, and how much content was posted daily? Was TIG able to try various captcha / moderation / spam filtering solutions? If so, what impact did they have? 3. DDN seems to be suffering from a lack of clear direction, which makes it very difficult to select a path forward. TIG has done an awesome job of supporting DDN for a long time now, but it's clear that the community will need to create a more sustainable solution. Is it time for DDN to form a board to address some of this? Once we have an idea of what needs to be done, and a group of folks willing to commit to that discussion, it'd be interesting to see if crowdsourcing a solution is indeed possible. If we had a wishlist of prioritized features, how hard would it be to rebuild this in something like Drupal and for one person to donate some time every day to prune / maintain, till a fundraising mechanism is in place? Lots of questions to answer before we can answer that one, but the project will die if we don't start answering them soon. And Taran, I definitely understand your tone, given the background. The vast majority of technology projects run out of steam and falter, even in paid for-profit consulting engagements, much like the case with DDN. But this *can* be done, if it's organized correctly. If DDN can't crowdsource a technology solution effectively, who can? Dave. -- Dave Chakrabarti Project Manager Chicago Technology Cooperative www.chicagotech.org On Dec 30, 2008, at 6:21 PM, Taran Rampersad wrote: Let's simplify. Ismael Peña-López wrote: I'd second Andy's proposal to recruit some volunteers and let the list run (smoothly) for a while. i. Forgive me. That was Andy's proposal when DDN left Benton, and there was a sincere attempt to do that to some degree. It didn't work then, it hasn't worked since, and I am wondering how it will work now. Sure, back in 1999 we had less tech. We also had less distractive technology. This may seem somewhat counter to the context of the list itself, but just because we have technology doesn't mean we have to use it all the time. Fired are good for cooking, but people who use them too much are called arsonists... if you take my point. -- -- Taran Rampersad taran.a.ramper...@gmail.com http://www.knowprose.com http://www.your2ndplace.com http://www.opendepth.com http://www.flickr.com/photos/knowprose/ Criticize by Creating - Michelangelo The present is theirs; the future, for which I really worked, is mine. - Nikola Tesla ___ DIGITALDIVIDE mailing list DIGITALDIVIDE@digitaldivide.net http://digitaldivide.net/mailman/listinfo/digitaldivide To unsubscribe, send a message to digitaldivide-requ...@digitaldivide.net with the word UNSUBSCRIBE in the body of the message. ___ DIGITALDIVIDE mailing list DIGITALDIVIDE@digitaldivide.net http://digitaldivide.net/mailman/listinfo/digitaldivide To unsubscribe, send a message to digitaldivide-requ...@digitaldivide.net with the word UNSUBSCRIBE in the body of the message.
Re: [DDN] The future of DDN
Hello Tom, First of all I did not mention about TAX Deductible. Perhaps from another person?? I think we have to understand who are the readers of DDN, and what would be our 'dreams and expectations' and reaching out to whom. $100 to some is petty cash, but to many is food for a family for many, many, many days. So, where do we want to go? Whom do we want to serve? We might also want to look at what is/are the added value of DDN to us. IS DDN still serve its purpose to the community as it was let's say 5 years ago? Should DDN survive on its own or should it be part of something bigger and therefore can be part of the umbrella? DDN was funded and had a 'manager'. To me, nothing sadder is to see a half-dead community. And that is what DDN is right now. And the root of the problem is DDN does not have a full-time, paid person to manage it, to promote it, to drive it ... My question is, even if we charged fees, what would be the structure of DDN? Would the fees be used to cover a paid person? What is the purpose of DDN? What is the target audience of DDN? What is the added value of DDN to this community and to the rest of the world? If we are going to collect fees, DDN has to be in a VERY different shape, it has to be managed professionally and have a focus/purpose of why it should be active at the minimum. These are just some of my thoughts. And I hope this posting would kick up some dust Cindy = [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- On Tue, 28/10/08, tom abeles [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: tom abeles [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [DDN] The future of DDN To: The Digital Divide Network discussion group digitaldivide@digitaldivide.net Date: Tuesday, 28 October, 2008, 11:33 PM Hi Cindy First, on charging a ¨fee¨. Tax Deductable? As my farmer brother-in-law says ¨deductable against what? Second, given networking in the web 2.0 world with U-Tube, Twitter, Linkedin, Wiki´s and so many other social networks, what do we get for a fee that this list and other tagged, networked, distributed and . . . systems don´t give for free. Fees are the equivalent of the Great Wall that walls information out and not in. It creates filters that are normally made by those on the net who choose how to access and limit access to the one non-leveragable commodity, TIME. And that is the individual´s responsibility. thoughts? tom tom abeles Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2008 11:18:12 + From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: digitaldivide@digitaldivide.net Subject: Re: [DDN] The future of DDN Wiki is a good idea ... but I still think mailing list is a lot more VISIBLE. I have clean forgotten about THE Future of DDN until this mail. Yes. I agree DDN should look into methods of payment. Perhaps some thoughts on the following two items? 1) there should be perhaps free memberships for students for example. 2) As some of us at DDN have mentioned again and again during the debate on $100 for a One-child-per-laptop etc. etc. ... perhaps we might want to look at what is $100 to some in certain part of the world? Cindy = [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- On Sat, 11/10/08, Claude Almansi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Claude Almansi [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [DDN] The future of DDN To: The Digital Divide Network discussion group digitaldivide@digitaldivide.net Date: Saturday, 11 October, 2008, 11:43 AM Hi All, I am answering on the mailing-list (with Bcc to Adam Clare and Taran Rampersad) rather than on the wiki because today I have a problem with logging in at the wiki (1). About: ...To make the site easier to manage we propose the removal of the communities functionality and discussion boards of DDN and replacing the categorization system with tagging. DDN's strength lies in the active mailing list and TIG realizes that the mailing list isn't perfect. In an ideal setup the mailing list will also be accessed online and have greater stability. Online communities encourage discussions between users in more than one place, right now that discussion happens on the mailing list for DDN and less so on the website. To encourage more discussions we would like to implement commenting on most DDN content. ... (in http://wiki.digitaldivide.net/index.php?title=The_future_of_DDN) - Removal ot the communities and discussion boards: I agree; at first, each community had its own discussion board, but this stopped (around 2005?), which meant that there could be no diaogue within the communities. Anyway, even with that first set-up, there was little dialogue in community discussion boards and in discussion boards in general. - Mailing list: the archive is actually accessible online, but I'm not sure it's really necessary to be able to post to it from the web. However, until August 2006, the mailing-list archive had an RSS feed through which the last messages were automatically shown bottom right of the site in the Featured RSS feeds (2
Re: [DDN] The future of DDN
As an e-mail conceived network DDN will live or die that way. I would guess 95% of online communities forced to transition to a web-centric environment die. The only way Ning or any tool will work is if people can reply/start new topics by e-mail and never have to visit the web site. Anything else will result in about 20% of the people surviving the change in environment which can easily lead to mass extinction. On the other hand, if you think in terms of information archeology, the e-mail layer is under the web forum layer, which is under the blog layer, which is under the social network layer, which is under the Twitter layer ... :-) So, DDN the list will die when most of us kick the bucket because as constituted it is probably not attracting a new generation of participation with web-centric expectations. Or it will die when the host no longer wants to support e-mail fuddy duddies. Tobias mentioned the non-open source proprietary tool NTEN uses (;-)) which is actually pretty good. Slwly but surely at E-Democracy.Org we've been webifying our local Issues Forums to behave like integrated e-lists/web forums/massive multi-editor blogs/simple social nets using the open source GPL GroupServer.Org tool. When you insist on e-mail publishing you do place yourself outside the mainstream off web developers who hate e-mail. Oh, well. See http://forums.e-democracy.org (face lift coming!) Key to bridging the digital divide is allowing people to be part of the same online space while allowing people to choose their preferred technological interface (how many of you are reading this on your mobile and use idle time in transit as time you use to share in such networks as DDN?) Cheers, Steven Clift E-Democracy.Org ___ DIGITALDIVIDE mailing list DIGITALDIVIDE@digitaldivide.net http://digitaldivide.net/mailman/listinfo/digitaldivide To unsubscribe, send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word UNSUBSCRIBE in the body of the message.
Re: [DDN] The future of DDN
I share your perspective, Tom. What would we get? That is what we're supposed to be considering as well. My thoughts are a common, centralized area owned by the community but using all tools available externally. There was a time when this list was a thriving cornucopia of ideas, thoughts, and much more. And I wonder whether people are still interested in that sort of discussion. tom abeles wrote: Hi Cindy First, on charging a ¨fee¨. Tax Deductable? As my farmer brother-in-law says ¨deductable against what? Second, given networking in the web 2.0 world with U-Tube, Twitter, Linkedin, Wiki´s and so many other social networks, what do we get for a fee that this list and other tagged, networked, distributed and . . . systems don´t give for free. Fees are the equivalent of the Great Wall that walls information out and not in. It creates filters that are normally made by those on the net who choose how to access and limit access to the one non-leveragable commodity, TIME. And that is the individual´s responsibility. thoughts? tom -- Taran Rampersad [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.knowprose.com http://www.your2ndplace.com http://www.opendepth.com http://www.flickr.com/photos/knowprose/ Criticize by Creating - Michelangelo The present is theirs; the future, for which I really worked, is mine. - Nikola Tesla ___ DIGITALDIVIDE mailing list DIGITALDIVIDE@digitaldivide.net http://digitaldivide.net/mailman/listinfo/digitaldivide To unsubscribe, send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word UNSUBSCRIBE in the body of the message.
Re: [DDN] The future of DDN
/me hums Drupal's theme at Tobias as well. Tobias Eigen wrote: Thanks Adam - this is all very interesting. I think the biggest problem I am seeing is that emails get stacked up for approval - this really limits any real discussion that might take place here on this list. I'd propose either opening it up or recruiting some volunteers to help manage the approval queue on a daily if not more regular basis. The ning idea is a good one, especially since it's a free (advertising driven) platform. I believe educators can get advertising-free spaces. Another platform well suited for email-empowered online communities is golightly, used at http://groups.nten.org If you are really concerned about costs for DDN into the future, then rolling your own site might not be a great idea. Cheers, Tobias On Mon, Oct 20, 2008 at 9:07 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks for the responses to our idea of what to do with DDN :) To clear somethings up: -Tobias asked if the donation for membership is voluntary or not. We have no intention of charging people to access DDN. What we do want to do is identify people who are financial supporters of DDN. We don't have a donation system set up yet because we wanted to make sure that it was a good idea first. -The wiki issue is being looked into. The system should be able to handle your existing DDN login information so you don't have to create two accounts and login to both all the time. -Taran's idea of GoogleAds is interesting and we'll have our tech team see how easy it is to implement. Which should be very easy. The hard part will be finding a space for them as we don't want GoogleAds on the front page of DDN has it may make the site look less credible. Any thoughts on that note? -Many people have suggested moving DDN to a new system. This is just as hard (or even harder) than keeping our current system running. We've though about this at TIG and were moving ahead with our system because it is the easiest for our developers to work on. Adam Clare ___ DIGITALDIVIDE mailing list DIGITALDIVIDE@digitaldivide.net http://digitaldivide.net/mailman/listinfo/digitaldivide To unsubscribe, send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] the word UNSUBSCRIBE in the body of the message. -- -- Taran Rampersad [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.knowprose.com http://www.your2ndplace.com http://www.opendepth.com http://www.flickr.com/photos/knowprose/ Criticize by Creating - Michelangelo The present is theirs; the future, for which I really worked, is mine. - Nikola Tesla ___ DIGITALDIVIDE mailing list DIGITALDIVIDE@digitaldivide.net http://digitaldivide.net/mailman/listinfo/digitaldivide To unsubscribe, send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word UNSUBSCRIBE in the body of the message.
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On Tue, 14 Oct 2008, George Roberts wrote: I cannot see the reason for a wiki as a focus for DDN discussion. Maybe that was not the intention. Wikis are for collaborative development of documents. Email is a much more accessible channel for discussion than web-based services. I whole-heartedly agree with this viewpoint. I often lose contact with groups when they migrate to a wiki or blog. Both are cumbersome when compared to simple email. We do not need graphics and razzle-dazzle to engage in discussion. Keep it simple. Continue to use the listserv format that goes directly to email. alexandra babione ___ DIGITALDIVIDE mailing list DIGITALDIVIDE@digitaldivide.net http://digitaldivide.net/mailman/listinfo/digitaldivide To unsubscribe, send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word UNSUBSCRIBE in the body of the message.
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An excellent suggestion, Barbara. A Ning Network Creator of an online community myself, I've found it to be a highly user-friendly and successful means of collaboration and community building. Members can participate via blogs, discussion forums, chat, and groups. Additionally they can upload videos, pictures, documents and other files. Network messages can be broadcast to the entire community, etc. Harmony Harmony Kieding Webmaster for American Homeless Land Model: A Book to Congress: A Speech to Mankind http://www.homelesslandmodel.com/index.html Group Leader/Creator of Homeless Civil Rights and Civil Liberties http://www.care2.com/c2c/group/Homelessness Network Creator of SpiritWeb http://spiritweb.ning.com/ Ovre Lang. 51 3110, Tonsberg Norway +47-333-55-700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- On Tue, 10/14/08, Barbara COMBES [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Barbara COMBES [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [DDN] The future of DDN To: The Digital Divide Network discussion group digitaldivide@digitaldivide.net Date: Tuesday, October 14, 2008, 5:40 AM Rather than use a wiki which can be clumsy, why not ry a ning - separate communities and multiple duscussions can occur - can also be invite only. www.ning.com :) BC Vice President, Advocacy Promotion, IASL: www.iasl-online.org [EMAIL PROTECTED]: http://www.chs.ecu.edu.au/portals/LIS/index.php Transforming Information and Learning Conference http://conferences.scis.ecu.edu.au/TILC2007/ Barbara Combes, Lecturer School of Computer and Information Science Edith Cowan University, Perth Western Australia Ph: (08) 9370 6072 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Whatever the cost of our libraries, the price is cheap compared to that of an ignorant nation. Walter Cronkite This email is confidential and intended only for the use of the individual or entity named above. If you are not the intended recipient, you are notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this email is strictly prohibited. If you have received this email in error, please notify me immediately by return email or telephone and destroy the original message. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Claude Almansi Sent: Saturday, 11 October 2008 5:44 PM To: The Digital Divide Network discussion group Subject: Re: [DDN] The future of DDN Hi All, I am answering on the mailing-list (with Bcc to Adam Clare and Taran Rampersad) rather than on the wiki because today I have a problem with logging in at the wiki (1). About: ...To make the site easier to manage we propose the removal of the communities functionality and discussion boards of DDN and replacing the categorization system with tagging. DDN's strength lies in the active mailing list and TIG realizes that the mailing list isn't perfect. In an ideal setup the mailing list will also be accessed online and have greater stability. Online communities encourage discussions between users in more than one place, right now that discussion happens on the mailing list for DDN and less so on the website. To encourage more discussions we would like to implement commenting on most DDN content. ... (in http://wiki.digitaldivide.net/index.php?title=The_future_of_DDN) - Removal ot the communities and discussion boards: I agree; at first, each community had its own discussion board, but this stopped (around 2005?), which meant that there could be no diaogue within the communities. Anyway, even with that first set-up, there was little dialogue in community discussion boards and in discussion boards in general. - Mailing list: the archive is actually accessible online, but I'm not sure it's really necessary to be able to post to it from the web. However, until August 2006, the mailing-list archive had an RSS feed through which the last messages were automatically shown bottom right of the site in the Featured RSS feeds (2). That was a useful feature: would it be possible to have it again? For instance by using a yahoo or a google discussion list that have RSS feeds? - Making content taggable and discussable: great idea but in this case, would it not be simpler and cheaper to move rather than revamp? I'm thinking of Ning.com, where Steve Hargadon set up http://www.classroom20.com. And then he convinced the Ning administrators to make a special, ad-less, free offer for educators and provide a network for them, http://education.ning.com/ . One problem might be back-ups, though. Re Taran Rampersad's addition to http://wiki.digitaldivide.net/index.php?title=The_future_of_DDN : The Membership level is certainly worthwhile and is one that shows promise, since DDN membership probably would be tax deductible, though that needs to be clarified. While that is sufficient given enough buy-in from the community, I'd also suggest continued monetization of content
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DDN should use the open source GroupServer platform to host an integrated e-mail/web forum/feeds experience! We use it here: http://forums.e-democracy.org More info: http://groupserver.org In terms of crossing divides, we paid for a feature that allows for super simple photo sharing that automatically resizes photos and places them on the site. Attach photo to e-mail. Send. That's it. Also, we will be paying for enhancements in the member directory function. Steven Clift E-Democracy.Org ___ DIGITALDIVIDE mailing list DIGITALDIVIDE@digitaldivide.net http://digitaldivide.net/mailman/listinfo/digitaldivide To unsubscribe, send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word UNSUBSCRIBE in the body of the message.
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Thanks Adam - this is all very interesting. I think the biggest problem I am seeing is that emails get stacked up for approval - this really limits any real discussion that might take place here on this list. I'd propose either opening it up or recruiting some volunteers to help manage the approval queue on a daily if not more regular basis. The ning idea is a good one, especially since it's a free (advertising driven) platform. I believe educators can get advertising-free spaces. Another platform well suited for email-empowered online communities is golightly, used at http://groups.nten.org If you are really concerned about costs for DDN into the future, then rolling your own site might not be a great idea. Cheers, Tobias On Mon, Oct 20, 2008 at 9:07 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks for the responses to our idea of what to do with DDN :) To clear somethings up: -Tobias asked if the donation for membership is voluntary or not. We have no intention of charging people to access DDN. What we do want to do is identify people who are financial supporters of DDN. We don't have a donation system set up yet because we wanted to make sure that it was a good idea first. -The wiki issue is being looked into. The system should be able to handle your existing DDN login information so you don't have to create two accounts and login to both all the time. -Taran's idea of GoogleAds is interesting and we'll have our tech team see how easy it is to implement. Which should be very easy. The hard part will be finding a space for them as we don't want GoogleAds on the front page of DDN has it may make the site look less credible. Any thoughts on that note? -Many people have suggested moving DDN to a new system. This is just as hard (or even harder) than keeping our current system running. We've though about this at TIG and were moving ahead with our system because it is the easiest for our developers to work on. Adam Clare ___ DIGITALDIVIDE mailing list DIGITALDIVIDE@digitaldivide.net http://digitaldivide.net/mailman/listinfo/digitaldivide To unsubscribe, send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] the word UNSUBSCRIBE in the body of the message. -- Tobias Eigen Senior Steward - IT Global Action Networks-Net (GAN-Net) http://www.gan-net.net Executive Director Kabissa - Space for Change in Africa http://www.kabissa.org ___ DIGITALDIVIDE mailing list DIGITALDIVIDE@digitaldivide.net http://digitaldivide.net/mailman/listinfo/digitaldivide To unsubscribe, send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word UNSUBSCRIBE in the body of the message.
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Good evening, Somehow gmail delivered just now the e-mails after Taran Rampersad's. Thanks for clarifying about payment. And thanks for the explanation of why keep the present system for the site. Just wondering: at first, the last posts of the mailing list used to appear bottom-right of the template, through their RSS feeds. Would it be very complicated to do this again? True, the archive at http://digitaldivide.net/pipermail/digitaldivide/ does not have an RSS feed, but isn't there a work-around for that (1)? Re not having google ads on the home page - personally, I wouldn't mind. But if I read the site correctly, there are separate templates for the various parts of the site: what changes is the column on the right. So would it not be possible to have the google ads on all templates except on the one for the home page if you don't want them there? Best Claude (1) I mean a software work-around - not adding an XML sausage by hand for each new message in the file of the feed ... On Mon, Oct 20, 2008 at 5:07 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks for the responses to our idea of what to do with DDN :) To clear somethings up: -Tobias asked if the donation for membership is voluntary or not. We have no intention of charging people to access DDN. What we do want to do is identify people who are financial supporters of DDN. We don't have a donation system set up yet because we wanted to make sure that it was a good idea first. -The wiki issue is being looked into. The system should be able to handle your existing DDN login information so you don't have to create two accounts and login to both all the time. -Taran's idea of GoogleAds is interesting and we'll have our tech team see how easy it is to implement. Which should be very easy. The hard part will be finding a space for them as we don't want GoogleAds on the front page of DDN has it may make the site look less credible. Any thoughts on that note? -Many people have suggested moving DDN to a new system. This is just as hard (or even harder) than keeping our current system running. We've though about this at TIG and were moving ahead with our system because it is the easiest for our developers to work on. Adam Clare ___ DIGITALDIVIDE mailing list DIGITALDIVIDE@digitaldivide.net http://digitaldivide.net/mailman/listinfo/digitaldivide To unsubscribe, send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word UNSUBSCRIBE in the body of the message. ___ DIGITALDIVIDE mailing list DIGITALDIVIDE@digitaldivide.net http://digitaldivide.net/mailman/listinfo/digitaldivide To unsubscribe, send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word UNSUBSCRIBE in the body of the message.
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Hi Cindy First, on charging a ¨fee¨. Tax Deductable? As my farmer brother-in-law says ¨deductable against what? Second, given networking in the web 2.0 world with U-Tube, Twitter, Linkedin, Wiki´s and so many other social networks, what do we get for a fee that this list and other tagged, networked, distributed and . . . systems don´t give for free. Fees are the equivalent of the Great Wall that walls information out and not in. It creates filters that are normally made by those on the net who choose how to access and limit access to the one non-leveragable commodity, TIME. And that is the individual´s responsibility. thoughts? tom tom abeles Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2008 11:18:12 + From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: digitaldivide@digitaldivide.net Subject: Re: [DDN] The future of DDN Wiki is a good idea ... but I still think mailing list is a lot more VISIBLE. I have clean forgotten about THE Future of DDN until this mail. Yes. I agree DDN should look into methods of payment. Perhaps some thoughts on the following two items? 1) there should be perhaps free memberships for students for example. 2) As some of us at DDN have mentioned again and again during the debate on $100 for a One-child-per-laptop etc. etc. ... perhaps we might want to look at what is $100 to some in certain part of the world? Cindy = [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- On Sat, 11/10/08, Claude Almansi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Claude Almansi [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [DDN] The future of DDN To: The Digital Divide Network discussion group digitaldivide@digitaldivide.net Date: Saturday, 11 October, 2008, 11:43 AM Hi All, I am answering on the mailing-list (with Bcc to Adam Clare and Taran Rampersad) rather than on the wiki because today I have a problem with logging in at the wiki (1). About: ...To make the site easier to manage we propose the removal of the communities functionality and discussion boards of DDN and replacing the categorization system with tagging. DDN's strength lies in the active mailing list and TIG realizes that the mailing list isn't perfect. In an ideal setup the mailing list will also be accessed online and have greater stability. Online communities encourage discussions between users in more than one place, right now that discussion happens on the mailing list for DDN and less so on the website. To encourage more discussions we would like to implement commenting on most DDN content. ... (in http://wiki.digitaldivide.net/index.php?title=The_future_of_DDN) - Removal ot the communities and discussion boards: I agree; at first, each community had its own discussion board, but this stopped (around 2005?), which meant that there could be no diaogue within the communities. Anyway, even with that first set-up, there was little dialogue in community discussion boards and in discussion boards in general. - Mailing list: the archive is actually accessible online, but I'm not sure it's really necessary to be able to post to it from the web. However, until August 2006, the mailing-list archive had an RSS feed through which the last messages were automatically shown bottom right of the site in the Featured RSS feeds (2). That was a useful feature: would it be possible to have it again? For instance by using a yahoo or a google discussion list that have RSS feeds? - Making content taggable and discussable: great idea but in this case, would it not be simpler and cheaper to move rather than revamp? I'm thinking of Ning.com, where Steve Hargadon set up http://www.classroom20.com. And then he convinced the Ning administrators to make a special, ad-less, free offer for educators and provide a network for them, http://education.ning.com/ . One problem might be back-ups, though. Re Taran Rampersad's addition to http://wiki.digitaldivide.net/index.php?title=The_future_of_DDN : The Membership level is certainly worthwhile and is one that shows promise, since DDN membership probably would be tax deductible, though that needs to be clarified. While that is sufficient given enough buy-in from the community, I'd also suggest continued monetization of content through Google Ads (such as those found on email list archives) and Amazon advertising. Further comments for funding would probably require a prerequisite of what TIG has already tried to do such that we can avoid repeating things I agree. Moreover, how could the payments be made? Some members may not have a credit card. Best Claude Almansi (1) Yesterday evening I was automatically logged in at the http://wiki.digitaldivide.net wiki, presumably because I was logged in at the www.digitaldivide.net main site, and even able to add some things on the resource page of the wiki. Today I am logged in at the main site, but not at the wiki. The URL of the log-in link at the top right of the wiki pages is http://www.digitaldivide.net/includes
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Rather than use a wiki which can be clumsy, why not ry a ning - separate communities and multiple duscussions can occur - can also be invite only. www.ning.com :) BC Vice President, Advocacy Promotion, IASL: www.iasl-online.org [EMAIL PROTECTED]: http://www.chs.ecu.edu.au/portals/LIS/index.php Transforming Information and Learning Conference http://conferences.scis.ecu.edu.au/TILC2007/ Barbara Combes, Lecturer School of Computer and Information Science Edith Cowan University, Perth Western Australia Ph: (08) 9370 6072 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Whatever the cost of our libraries, the price is cheap compared to that of an ignorant nation. Walter Cronkite This email is confidential and intended only for the use of the individual or entity named above. If you are not the intended recipient, you are notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this email is strictly prohibited. If you have received this email in error, please notify me immediately by return email or telephone and destroy the original message. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Claude Almansi Sent: Saturday, 11 October 2008 5:44 PM To: The Digital Divide Network discussion group Subject: Re: [DDN] The future of DDN Hi All, I am answering on the mailing-list (with Bcc to Adam Clare and Taran Rampersad) rather than on the wiki because today I have a problem with logging in at the wiki (1). About: ...To make the site easier to manage we propose the removal of the communities functionality and discussion boards of DDN and replacing the categorization system with tagging. DDN's strength lies in the active mailing list and TIG realizes that the mailing list isn't perfect. In an ideal setup the mailing list will also be accessed online and have greater stability. Online communities encourage discussions between users in more than one place, right now that discussion happens on the mailing list for DDN and less so on the website. To encourage more discussions we would like to implement commenting on most DDN content. ... (in http://wiki.digitaldivide.net/index.php?title=The_future_of_DDN) - Removal ot the communities and discussion boards: I agree; at first, each community had its own discussion board, but this stopped (around 2005?), which meant that there could be no diaogue within the communities. Anyway, even with that first set-up, there was little dialogue in community discussion boards and in discussion boards in general. - Mailing list: the archive is actually accessible online, but I'm not sure it's really necessary to be able to post to it from the web. However, until August 2006, the mailing-list archive had an RSS feed through which the last messages were automatically shown bottom right of the site in the Featured RSS feeds (2). That was a useful feature: would it be possible to have it again? For instance by using a yahoo or a google discussion list that have RSS feeds? - Making content taggable and discussable: great idea but in this case, would it not be simpler and cheaper to move rather than revamp? I'm thinking of Ning.com, where Steve Hargadon set up http://www.classroom20.com. And then he convinced the Ning administrators to make a special, ad-less, free offer for educators and provide a network for them, http://education.ning.com/ . One problem might be back-ups, though. Re Taran Rampersad's addition to http://wiki.digitaldivide.net/index.php?title=The_future_of_DDN : The Membership level is certainly worthwhile and is one that shows promise, since DDN membership probably would be tax deductible, though that needs to be clarified. While that is sufficient given enough buy-in from the community, I'd also suggest continued monetization of content through Google Ads (such as those found on email list archives) and Amazon advertising. Further comments for funding would probably require a prerequisite of what TIG has already tried to do such that we can avoid repeating things I agree. Moreover, how could the payments be made? Some members may not have a credit card. Best Claude Almansi (1) Yesterday evening I was automatically logged in at the http://wiki.digitaldivide.net wiki, presumably because I was logged in at the www.digitaldivide.net main site, and even able to add some things on the resource page of the wiki. Today I am logged in at the main site, but not at the wiki. The URL of the log-in link at the top right of the wiki pages is http://www.digitaldivide.net/includes/error.php?pushpath=http%3A%2F%2Fw iki.digitaldivide.net%2Findex.php%3Ftitle%3DThe_future_of_DDN which a) is on the main site where I am already logged in; b) has a message that says: Error, you must login to access this page. ; c) nevertheless also has login ID and password boxes, but they don't work. If I try to edit a page, say by opening http://wiki.digitaldivide.net/index.php?title=Main_Pageaction=edit, the page says Login required to edit, with a link to the Log
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Sadly the wiki has been hacked by porn purveyors. It must be addressed immediately. Who to contact? I cannot see the reason for a wiki as a focus for DDN discussion. Maybe that was not the intention. Wikis are for collaborative development of documents. Email is a much more accessible channel for discussion than web-based services. I suggest that TIG has an interest in driving discussion to the (its) website, that is not solely about improving discussion. Yes, archive of mail lists should be on the website. Yes there should be discussion on the website, but email is powerful, accessible, active. The site will be weakened, in my opinion, if the community structure is lost. If the community structure is replaced by a tagging system, people will not know where to contribute. Keep communities. Add tagging for cross referencing and serendiptous discovery. Make sure there is a digest of on-site discussion that is sent by email to list subscribers. George On 11 Oct 2008, at 10:43, Claude Almansi wrote: Hi All, I am answering on the mailing-list (with Bcc to Adam Clare and Taran Rampersad) rather than on the wiki because today I have a problem with logging in at the wiki (1). About: ...To make the site easier to manage we propose the removal of the communities functionality and discussion boards of DDN and replacing the categorization system with tagging. DDN's strength lies in the active mailing list and TIG realizes that the mailing list isn't perfect. In an ideal setup the mailing list will also be accessed online and have greater stability. Online communities encourage discussions between users in more than one place, right now that discussion happens on the mailing list for DDN and less so on the website. To encourage more discussions we would like to implement commenting on most DDN content. ... (in http://wiki.digitaldivide.net/index.php?title=The_future_of_DDN) - Removal ot the communities and discussion boards: I agree; at first, each community had its own discussion board, but this stopped (around 2005?), which meant that there could be no diaogue within the communities. Anyway, even with that first set-up, there was little dialogue in community discussion boards and in discussion boards in general. - Mailing list: the archive is actually accessible online, but I'm not sure it's really necessary to be able to post to it from the web. However, until August 2006, the mailing-list archive had an RSS feed through which the last messages were automatically shown bottom right of the site in the Featured RSS feeds (2). That was a useful feature: would it be possible to have it again? For instance by using a yahoo or a google discussion list that have RSS feeds? - Making content taggable and discussable: great idea but in this case, would it not be simpler and cheaper to move rather than revamp? I'm thinking of Ning.com, where Steve Hargadon set up http://www.classroom20.com. And then he convinced the Ning administrators to make a special, ad-less, free offer for educators and provide a network for them, http://education.ning.com/ . One problem might be back-ups, though. Re Taran Rampersad's addition to http://wiki.digitaldivide.net/index.php?title=The_future_of_DDN : The Membership level is certainly worthwhile and is one that shows promise, since DDN membership probably would be tax deductible, though that needs to be clarified. While that is sufficient given enough buy-in from the community, I'd also suggest continued monetization of content through Google Ads (such as those found on email list archives) and Amazon advertising. Further comments for funding would probably require a prerequisite of what TIG has already tried to do such that we can avoid repeating things I agree. Moreover, how could the payments be made? Some members may not have a credit card. Best Claude Almansi (1) Yesterday evening I was automatically logged in at the http://wiki.digitaldivide.net wiki, presumably because I was logged in at the www.digitaldivide.net main site, and even able to add some things on the resource page of the wiki. Today I am logged in at the main site, but not at the wiki. The URL of the log-in link at the top right of the wiki pages is http://www.digitaldivide.net/includes/error.php?pushpath=http%3A%2F%2Fwiki.digitaldivide.net%2Findex.php%3Ftitle%3DThe_future_of_DDN which a) is on the main site where I am already logged in; b) has a message that says: Error, you must login to access this page. ; c) nevertheless also has login ID and password boxes, but they don't work. If I try to edit a page, say by opening http://wiki.digitaldivide.net/index.php?title=Main_Pageaction=edit, the page says Login required to edit, with a link to the Log in / create account http://wiki.digitaldivide.net/index.php?title=Special:Userlogin page, which a) doesn't have a create account option; b) refuses my main site
Re: [DDN] The future of DDN
Wiki is a good idea ... but I still think mailing list is a lot more VISIBLE. I have clean forgotten about THE Future of DDN until this mail. Yes. I agree DDN should look into methods of payment. Perhaps some thoughts on the following two items? 1) there should be perhaps free memberships for students for example. 2) As some of us at DDN have mentioned again and again during the debate on $100 for a One-child-per-laptop etc. etc. ... perhaps we might want to look at what is $100 to some in certain part of the world? Cindy = [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- On Sat, 11/10/08, Claude Almansi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Claude Almansi [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [DDN] The future of DDN To: The Digital Divide Network discussion group digitaldivide@digitaldivide.net Date: Saturday, 11 October, 2008, 11:43 AM Hi All, I am answering on the mailing-list (with Bcc to Adam Clare and Taran Rampersad) rather than on the wiki because today I have a problem with logging in at the wiki (1). About: ...To make the site easier to manage we propose the removal of the communities functionality and discussion boards of DDN and replacing the categorization system with tagging. DDN's strength lies in the active mailing list and TIG realizes that the mailing list isn't perfect. In an ideal setup the mailing list will also be accessed online and have greater stability. Online communities encourage discussions between users in more than one place, right now that discussion happens on the mailing list for DDN and less so on the website. To encourage more discussions we would like to implement commenting on most DDN content. ... (in http://wiki.digitaldivide.net/index.php?title=The_future_of_DDN) - Removal ot the communities and discussion boards: I agree; at first, each community had its own discussion board, but this stopped (around 2005?), which meant that there could be no diaogue within the communities. Anyway, even with that first set-up, there was little dialogue in community discussion boards and in discussion boards in general. - Mailing list: the archive is actually accessible online, but I'm not sure it's really necessary to be able to post to it from the web. However, until August 2006, the mailing-list archive had an RSS feed through which the last messages were automatically shown bottom right of the site in the Featured RSS feeds (2). That was a useful feature: would it be possible to have it again? For instance by using a yahoo or a google discussion list that have RSS feeds? - Making content taggable and discussable: great idea but in this case, would it not be simpler and cheaper to move rather than revamp? I'm thinking of Ning.com, where Steve Hargadon set up http://www.classroom20.com. And then he convinced the Ning administrators to make a special, ad-less, free offer for educators and provide a network for them, http://education.ning.com/ . One problem might be back-ups, though. Re Taran Rampersad's addition to http://wiki.digitaldivide.net/index.php?title=The_future_of_DDN : The Membership level is certainly worthwhile and is one that shows promise, since DDN membership probably would be tax deductible, though that needs to be clarified. While that is sufficient given enough buy-in from the community, I'd also suggest continued monetization of content through Google Ads (such as those found on email list archives) and Amazon advertising. Further comments for funding would probably require a prerequisite of what TIG has already tried to do such that we can avoid repeating things I agree. Moreover, how could the payments be made? Some members may not have a credit card. Best Claude Almansi (1) Yesterday evening I was automatically logged in at the http://wiki.digitaldivide.net wiki, presumably because I was logged in at the www.digitaldivide.net main site, and even able to add some things on the resource page of the wiki. Today I am logged in at the main site, but not at the wiki. The URL of the log-in link at the top right of the wiki pages is http://www.digitaldivide.net/includes/error.php?pushpath=http%3A%2F%2Fwiki.digitaldivide.net%2Findex.php%3Ftitle%3DThe_future_of_DDN which a) is on the main site where I am already logged in; b) has a message that says: Error, you must login to access this page. ; c) nevertheless also has login ID and password boxes, but they don't work. If I try to edit a page, say by opening http://wiki.digitaldivide.net/index.php?title=Main_Pageaction=edit, the page says Login required to edit, with a link to the Log in / create account http://wiki.digitaldivide.net/index.php?title=Special:Userlogin page, which a) doesn't have a create account option; b) refuses my main site login data (2) The last recorded instance (Aug. 4, 2006) of the set-up with Featured RSS feed at the Internet Archive is http://web.archive.org/web/20060804125420/http://digitaldivide.net/). On Fri, Oct 10, 2008 at 9:07 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi DDN members
Re: [DDN] The future of DDN
Thanks for the responses to our idea of what to do with DDN :) To clear somethings up: -Tobias asked if the donation for membership is voluntary or not. We have no intention of charging people to access DDN. What we do want to do is identify people who are financial supporters of DDN. We don't have a donation system set up yet because we wanted to make sure that it was a good idea first. -The wiki issue is being looked into. The system should be able to handle your existing DDN login information so you don't have to create two accounts and login to both all the time. -Taran's idea of GoogleAds is interesting and we'll have our tech team see how easy it is to implement. Which should be very easy. The hard part will be finding a space for them as we don't want GoogleAds on the front page of DDN has it may make the site look less credible. Any thoughts on that note? -Many people have suggested moving DDN to a new system. This is just as hard (or even harder) than keeping our current system running. We've though about this at TIG and were moving ahead with our system because it is the easiest for our developers to work on. Adam Clare ___ DIGITALDIVIDE mailing list DIGITALDIVIDE@digitaldivide.net http://digitaldivide.net/mailman/listinfo/digitaldivide To unsubscribe, send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word UNSUBSCRIBE in the body of the message.
Re: [DDN] The future of DDN
Hi All, I am answering on the mailing-list (with Bcc to Adam Clare and Taran Rampersad) rather than on the wiki because today I have a problem with logging in at the wiki (1). About: ...To make the site easier to manage we propose the removal of the communities functionality and discussion boards of DDN and replacing the categorization system with tagging. DDN's strength lies in the active mailing list and TIG realizes that the mailing list isn't perfect. In an ideal setup the mailing list will also be accessed online and have greater stability. Online communities encourage discussions between users in more than one place, right now that discussion happens on the mailing list for DDN and less so on the website. To encourage more discussions we would like to implement commenting on most DDN content. ... (in http://wiki.digitaldivide.net/index.php?title=The_future_of_DDN) - Removal ot the communities and discussion boards: I agree; at first, each community had its own discussion board, but this stopped (around 2005?), which meant that there could be no diaogue within the communities. Anyway, even with that first set-up, there was little dialogue in community discussion boards and in discussion boards in general. - Mailing list: the archive is actually accessible online, but I'm not sure it's really necessary to be able to post to it from the web. However, until August 2006, the mailing-list archive had an RSS feed through which the last messages were automatically shown bottom right of the site in the Featured RSS feeds (2). That was a useful feature: would it be possible to have it again? For instance by using a yahoo or a google discussion list that have RSS feeds? - Making content taggable and discussable: great idea but in this case, would it not be simpler and cheaper to move rather than revamp? I'm thinking of Ning.com, where Steve Hargadon set up http://www.classroom20.com. And then he convinced the Ning administrators to make a special, ad-less, free offer for educators and provide a network for them, http://education.ning.com/ . One problem might be back-ups, though. Re Taran Rampersad's addition to http://wiki.digitaldivide.net/index.php?title=The_future_of_DDN : The Membership level is certainly worthwhile and is one that shows promise, since DDN membership probably would be tax deductible, though that needs to be clarified. While that is sufficient given enough buy-in from the community, I'd also suggest continued monetization of content through Google Ads (such as those found on email list archives) and Amazon advertising. Further comments for funding would probably require a prerequisite of what TIG has already tried to do such that we can avoid repeating things I agree. Moreover, how could the payments be made? Some members may not have a credit card. Best Claude Almansi (1) Yesterday evening I was automatically logged in at the http://wiki.digitaldivide.net wiki, presumably because I was logged in at the www.digitaldivide.net main site, and even able to add some things on the resource page of the wiki. Today I am logged in at the main site, but not at the wiki. The URL of the log-in link at the top right of the wiki pages is http://www.digitaldivide.net/includes/error.php?pushpath=http%3A%2F%2Fwiki.digitaldivide.net%2Findex.php%3Ftitle%3DThe_future_of_DDN which a) is on the main site where I am already logged in; b) has a message that says: Error, you must login to access this page. ; c) nevertheless also has login ID and password boxes, but they don't work. If I try to edit a page, say by opening http://wiki.digitaldivide.net/index.php?title=Main_Pageaction=edit, the page says Login required to edit, with a link to the Log in / create account http://wiki.digitaldivide.net/index.php?title=Special:Userlogin page, which a) doesn't have a create account option; b) refuses my main site login data (2) The last recorded instance (Aug. 4, 2006) of the set-up with Featured RSS feed at the Internet Archive is http://web.archive.org/web/20060804125420/http://digitaldivide.net/). On Fri, Oct 10, 2008 at 9:07 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi DDN members! (...) We've outlined what exactly we'd like to do and how we plan on doing on the DDN wiki. Please take a look at our plan and let us know your thoughts. Here's the link: http://wiki.digitaldivide.net/index.php?title=The_future_of_DDN Please remember that it is a wiki and we'd like to see your ideas added to the wiki as well. (...) ___ DIGITALDIVIDE mailing list DIGITALDIVIDE@digitaldivide.net http://digitaldivide.net/mailman/listinfo/digitaldivide To unsubscribe, send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word UNSUBSCRIBE in the body of the message.
