On Wednesday, February 28, 2024 10:44:08 PM MST Brad Roberts via Digitalmars-
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> On 2/28/2024 7:34 PM, Jonathan M Davis via Digitalmars-d-announce wrote:
> > On Wednesday, February 28, 2024 7:18:29 PM MST Mike Parker via
> > Digitalmars-d->
> > announce
On Wednesday, February 28, 2024 7:18:29 PM MST Mike Parker via Digitalmars-d-
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> On Wednesday, 28 February 2024 at 19:24:32 UTC, Jonathan M Davis
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> wrote:
> > I see that they're up on the NNTP server, and the web forum is
> > hooked up to them, but the
are these lists not going to have mailing
lists like the others?
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On Thursday, January 25, 2024 8:03:41 AM MST Max Samukha via Digitalmars-d-
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> On Monday, 22 January 2024 at 23:28:40 UTC, Jonathan M Davis
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> wrote:
> > Of course, ultimately, different programmers have different
> > preferences, and none of us are go
On Tuesday, January 23, 2024 4:11:00 AM MST ryuukk_ via Digitalmars-d-announce
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> On Tuesday, 23 January 2024 at 06:30:08 UTC, Jonathan M Davis
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> wrote:
> > That being said, I expect that it would be pretty easy to write
> > a mixin to do something like that
n to
do something like that if you really wanted to. Also, if you're simply
looking to not have to name the type, you could do
dataGrid = new typeof(datagrid)(15);
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e happy about everything in any language. So, of
course, there are going to be some folks who are unhappy with how D defines
private, but it's not a feature that has actually been causing us problems,
and it really doesn't make sense at this point to change how it works.
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On Wednesday, November 15, 2023 3:26:27 AM MST Sergey via Digitalmars-d-
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> On Wednesday, 15 November 2023 at 09:27:53 UTC, Jonathan M Davis
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> wrote:
> > On Tuesday, November 14, 2023 12:37:29 PM MST Sergey via
> >
> > Digitalmars-d- announce wrote:
&
take care of it
rather than require that new code slap editions stuff everywhere), but there
is a good reason for the approach that they're currently looking at taking.
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> definitive answer tomorrow. If I'm lucky, a full internal
> cleaning of the graphics card and some new thermal paste will
> solve it. I'm usually not that lucky, though :-)
Clearly, your computer is just sick of hearing about dconf and decided to go
on strike. ;)
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se as necessary. For modules with C declarations, do as you think
> best.
>
> For everyone else, carry on as before.
Thank you.
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at treating declarations differently from definitions would mean
adding an exception to the rules and that such an exception would be very
negative.
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On Thursday, May 28, 2020 2:50:44 AM MDT Daniel Kozak via Digitalmars-d-
announce wrote:
> On Thu, May 28, 2020 at 4:56 AM Jonathan M Davis via
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> Digitalmars-d-announce wrote:
> > As far as I can tell, Walter understands the issues but fundamentally
> > disagrees with pret
hecked by the compiler,
whereas most everyone else thinks that weakening @safe is unacceptable. But
since Walter managed to convince Atila, the DIP has been accepted.
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o think that it's ultimately a big deal.
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On Wednesday, May 27, 2020 8:13:52 PM MDT Bruce Carneal via Digitalmars-d-
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> On Thursday, 28 May 2020 at 01:14:43 UTC, Jonathan M Davis wrote:
> > On Friday, May 22, 2020 12:09:16 PM MDT rikki cattermole via
> >
> > Digitalmars-d- announce wrote:
>
ow which access-level modifier applies -
especially when looking at diffs in PRs.
I would _love_ to see it become illegal to mass-apply @trusted (or even
attributes in general), but I have no clue how easy it would be to get such
a DIP accepted or how much screaming there would be over it if it were
actually accepted.
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ode, but you must look for
non-extern(D) declarations which have been implictly treated as @trusted by
the compiler. @safe still has value (and may even provide more value in that
it will be used more often), but it provides much weaker guarantees in the
process.
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attribute on the function declaration actually
meaning anything about whether the body was verified by the compiler.
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minds me of someone complaining that they couldn't just unzip the dmd
install on top of another and have it work (their code no longer compiled
aftery they'd just unzipped a release of dmd/phobos which had a split
std.datetime on top of one that didn't).
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so someone has to then convince him
otherwise for it to not be accepted.
Fortunately, while Walter certainly doesn't have a perfect track record, he
has a pretty darn good one, or D wouldn't be what it is today.
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orted using
it IIRC). I don't know what the current state of that is, but I recall there
being a deprecation message about that behavior going away. So, if that
behavior finally went away, then code could have compiled with the previous
release but not the new one.
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itself), it risks breaking any
time that the build system is altered.
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master/DIPs/accepted/DIP1013.md
>
> So what is the "version" in @@@DEPRECATED_[version]@@@ supposed
> to be? That still seems to be ambiguous.
How is it ambiguous? It says right in the same sentence that
@@@DEPRECATED_[version]@@@ is mentioned.
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eneral, it's just going to be more annoying than it's worth. Time will tell
though.
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nathan M Davis
pressing problems. The small stuff does matter, and it's easier
to tackle, but if we're consistently trying to solve the small problems
without tackling the larger ones, then we have a serious problem.
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it enough. ;)
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one can come up with a way to convince Walter
to view bools differently (which I very much doubt is going to happen), I
think that it's quite clear that we're just going to have to learn to
continue to live with the status quo on this issue.
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ler than almost all of the issues that we have
to worry about and consider having DIPs for.
Personally, I'm not at all happy that this DIP was rejected, but I think
that continued debate on it is a waste of everyone's time.
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_ of
discussion and was revised accordingly. So, while Walter and Andrei may have
considered it a priority, it still took a while for it to get to the point
that it was acceptable.
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nly realized it when I read Bartosz's article on the
subject). I just understood how to use them and didn't think about it,
though once I did realize it, I felt stupid for not having realized it.
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s a high risk of marking
a function as @trusted later when someone adds it and doesn't realize that
@trusted was applied.
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On Tuesday, December 18, 2018 7:02:43 PM MST H. S. Teoh via Digitalmars-d-
announce wrote:
> On Tue, Dec 18, 2018 at 06:53:02PM -0700, Jonathan M Davis via
> Digitalmars-d-announce wrote: [...]
>
> > I confess that I do tend to think about things from the standpoint of
> &g
On Tuesday, December 18, 2018 6:35:34 AM MST Pjotr Prins via Digitalmars-d-
announce wrote:
> On Tuesday, 18 December 2018 at 11:25:17 UTC, Jonathan M Davis
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> wrote:
> > Of course, even if we _did_ have a solution for reversing
> > attributes, slapping an attribute on
attributes are mass-applied). So,
there is no silver bullet here (though regardless of whether mass-applying
attributes is something that should ever be considered good practice, we
really should add a way to be able to reverse them).
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ghs the loss, but that doesn't mean that the problem isn't there, just
that many folks don't care and think that the tradeoff is worth it.
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r more than pulling in dependencies.
Beyond that, I suspect that if we really wanted to make dub truly flexible,
we'd have to look into making it more plugin-based to allow alternate build
systems, but that's a _much_ larger shift in how it works. Regardless, it
would require manpower that isn't currently being targeted at dub.
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(though if the default were changed to
const or immutable, we'd probably see the range API be changed to use the
classic, functional head/tail list mechanism rather than front and popFront,
which could very well be an improvement anyway).
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On Tuesday, November 13, 2018 9:27:29 PM MST Nicholas Wilson via
Digitalmars-d-announce wrote:
> On Wednesday, 14 November 2018 at 04:24:20 UTC, Jonathan M Davis
>
> wrote:
> > Given how strong the negative response is to this and how
> > incomprenhensible a number of us find
ents are solid without
getting anything into the mix that could come across as insulting.
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IP was convincing enough, and its failure is certainly
disappointing.
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tarts
getting used frequently, there's definitely a problem, but there are use
cases, where it's going to be invaluable.
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s exactly the
same problem. It should always be possible to make code compile with both
master and the latest release without deprecation messages, since otherwise,
even programmers who are completely on top of things could end up having to
deal with a flood of deprecation messages that they can't fix.
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ing to be a
> DIP on its own.
Yay! Thank you.
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On Monday, September 24, 2018 9:33:19 PM MDT Manu via Digitalmars-d-announce
wrote:
> On Mon, 24 Sep 2018 at 16:22, Jonathan M Davis via
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> Digitalmars-d-announce wrote:
> > On Monday, September 24, 2018 3:20:28 PM MDT Manu via
> > Digitalmars-d-announce>
> >
On Monday, September 24, 2018 7:59:36 PM MDT Nicholas Wilson via
Digitalmars-d-announce wrote:
> On Monday, 24 September 2018 at 23:22:13 UTC, Jonathan M Davis
>
> wrote:
> > @implicit on copy constructors is outright bad. It would just
> > be a source of bugs. Every time
en it's clearly going to be a source of bugs
if it's required to be on copy constructors. And it just needlessly adds to
the attribute soup. At least if it were added for regular constructors, it
would be adding value. For copy constructors, it's just adding annoyance and
the risk of bugs.
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On Monday, September 24, 2018 10:44:01 AM MDT Meta via Digitalmars-d-
announce wrote:
> On Sunday, 23 September 2018 at 01:08:50 UTC, Jonathan M Davis
>
> wrote:
> > @implicit is just there because of the fear of breaking a
> > theoretical piece of code that's going
On Saturday, September 22, 2018 8:40:15 PM MDT Nicholas Wilson via
Digitalmars-d-announce wrote:
> On Sunday, 23 September 2018 at 01:08:50 UTC, Jonathan M Davis
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> wrote:
> > On Saturday, September 22, 2018 6:13:25 PM MDT Adam D. Ruppe
> >
> > via D
es would
continue to work just fine even if it did exist.
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itch? Why force
everyone to mark their copy constructors with @implicit forever? The whole
point of adding the attribute was to avoid breaking existing code.
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r accepted. So, while I understand that you want
implicit construction, I think that it's a huge mistake to tie that up into
copy constructors, particularly since it really doesn't make sense to have
copy constructors that aren't implicit, and having @implicit for copy
constructiors is going to cause bugs when it's forgotten.
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On Monday, September 17, 2018 5:14:28 PM MDT tide via Digitalmars-d-announce
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> On Monday, 17 September 2018 at 19:10:27 UTC, Jonathan M Davis
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> wrote:
> > Basically, @implicit is being proposed out of fear that
> > someone, somewhere wrote a constructor that had wha
structors with. We should just have a -dip* flag as a transition
to deal with the theoretical breakage that @implicit is supposed to prevent
(as well as gives us a chance to kick the tires of the implementation a bit
first) and not do anything special to mark copy constructors aside from what
their parameters are.
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uggy code. This is clearly a case of making the
language worse long term in order to avoid a theoretical problem in the
short term.
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On Monday, September 17, 2018 7:30:24 AM MDT rmc via Digitalmars-d-announce
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> On Wednesday, 12 September 2018 at 16:40:45 UTC, Jonathan M Davis
>
> wrote:
> > [snip]
> > Personally, I'd rather that we just risk the code breakage
> > caused by not having an attr
On Wednesday, September 12, 2018 5:55:05 PM MDT Nicholas Wilson via
Digitalmars-d-announce wrote:
> On Wednesday, 12 September 2018 at 23:36:11 UTC, Jonathan M Davis
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> wrote:
> > On Wednesday, September 12, 2018 5:17:44 PM MDT Nicholas Wilson
> >
> > via D
t later anyway), but either
way, saying that @implicit has anything to do with adding implicit
construction to D like C++ has is currently false. In fact, the DIP
specifically makes it an error to use @implicit on anything other than a
copy constructor.
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ision, I wouldn't introduce @implicit and would risk the
code breakage (which I would expect to be pretty much non-existent much as
it theoretically could happen), but it's not my decision.
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On Wednesday, September 12, 2018 1:18:11 PM MDT Gary Willoughby via
Digitalmars-d-announce wrote:
> On Wednesday, 12 September 2018 at 16:40:45 UTC, Jonathan M Davis
>
> wrote:
> > Ultimately, I expect that if we add any attribute for this,
> > people coming to D are goi
opy, this would clearly
forever be something that we added just because we has postblit constructors
first, whereas @implicit at least _might_ be used for something more. It
would still feel weird and hacky if it never was used for anything more, but
at least we'd be future-proofing the language a bit, and @implicit does make
_some_ sense after it's explained, even if very few people (if any) will
initially think that it makes sense.
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nd Andrei to need to put big changes
through the DIP process just like the rest of us do, but given that they're
the only ones deciding what's accepted, it makes the whole thing rather
weird when a DIP comes from them.
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1ff8760450fcab/detection
> >
> > Windows Defender also reports it as clean.
>
> Good to hear that paying the certificate ransom helped making
> peace with the blackmailers ;).
Technically, I think that they're extortionists rather than blackmailers. ;)
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://github.com/jmdavis/dxml/tree/v0.4.0
Dub: http://code.dlang.org/packages/dxml
For those who haven't seen it, here's a link to my dconf talk on dxml:
http://dconf.org/2018/talks/davis.html
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sdl came later. However,
there was a lot of push back when Sonke made sdl the default, so json not
only didn't get phased out, but it became the default again.
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mistake they did, and they don't even know they make a
> mistake, silly them... ;)
What should and shouldn't go in the standard library for a language is
something that's up for a lot of debate and is likely to often be a point of
contention. There is no clear right or wrong here. Languages that have had
very sparse standard libraries have done quite well, and languages that have
had kitchen sink libraries have done quite well. There are pros and cons to
both approaches.
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some companies are better about it than
others.
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se, what he has implemented is pretty much what's in Phobos except
for the fact that he set up his to take arguments, whereas Phobos' solution
just takes the function(s) to call, so anything that it does has to be
self-contained.
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hen employers try to claim anything unrelated to your
job that you do in your free time. _That_ is completely inappropriate, but
some employers try anyway, and depending on which state you live in and what
you signed for the company, they may or may not be able to come after you
even if it's ridiculous for them to be able to.
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o be somewhere like github or gitlab or
bitbucket or whatever is another matter entirely, but ultimately, I think
that the main benefits of DVCS is that it removes the dependency on the
central repo from any operations that don't actually need the central repo,
not that it removes the need for a central repo, because it really doesn't -
not if you want to be organized about releases anyway.
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On Tuesday, June 05, 2018 19:15:12 biocyberman via Digitalmars-d-announce
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> On Tuesday, 5 June 2018 at 11:09:31 UTC, Jonathan M Davis wrote:
> > [...]
>
> Very informative. I don't live in the US, but this gives me a
> feeling of how tough life can be over there fo
might try and do anything
to you with the legal system - and of course, you don't want to be in a
position where your employer fires you. So, an abundance of caution is
sometimes warranted even if it arguably shouldn't need to be.
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ting you turn it off). It's
certainly not desriable that they bought github, but it probably won't have
any obvious effects for a while. The biggest concerns probably have to do
with collecting data on users, and github was doutblessly doing that
already.
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maybe this will encourage online repo hosting to become
less of a monopoly as folks move elsewhere due to their concerns about
Microsoft.
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g like
functionality for talking to serial ports. And what would having it be in
Phobos buy you over just grabbing it from code.dlang.org?
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b it than to make what they had faster, but I don't know. Either way,
it sounds like Mac OS X either didn't take their grep from FreeBSD in this
case, or they took it from an older version before FreeBSD switching to
using GNU's grep.
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On Friday, April 20, 2018 16:07:06 Jesse Phillips via Digitalmars-d-announce
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> On Friday, 20 April 2018 at 00:46:38 UTC, Jonathan M Davis wrote:
> > Yes. I would have thought that that was clear. It throws if any
> > of the characters or sequence of characters in the argu
On Friday, April 20, 2018 08:45:45 Dejan Lekic via Digitalmars-d-announce
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> On Thursday, 19 April 2018 at 14:40:58 UTC, Jonathan M Davis
>
> wrote:
> > Well, since I'm going to be talking about dxml at dconf, and
> > it's likely that I'll be talking about stuff that w
On Thursday, April 19, 2018 23:00:03 Jesse Phillips via Digitalmars-d-
announce wrote:
> On Thursday, 19 April 2018 at 14:40:58 UTC, Jonathan M Davis
>
> wrote:
> > I won't repeat everything that's in the changelog, but the
> > biggest changes are that writer suppo
t busy with school
again and never got back to it), and it shows no sign of ever being
completed.
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://jmdavisprog.com/docs/dxml/0.3.0/
Github: https://github.com/jmdavis/dxml/tree/v0.3.0
Dub: http://code.dlang.org/packages/dxml
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On Wednesday, April 11, 2018 07:47:14 H. S. Teoh via Digitalmars-d-announce
wrote:
> On Tue, Apr 10, 2018 at 11:43:00PM -0600, Jonathan M Davis via
> Digitalmars-d-announce wrote: [...]
>
> > IMHO, for contracts to be worth much outside of the inheritance case,
> > we'd need
ng tied to ldc is okay. It's quite another to tell someone
who isn't familiar with D that in order to use D, they have to use a feature
which only works with a specific compiler that is not the reference compiler
and which will likely never work with the reference compiler.
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contracts are compiled in based on whether
the caller used -release or not rather than whether the callee did. If that
were done, then there would be real value in using contracts, and I'd be a
lot more excited about the new syntax. As it is, it seems like a nice
improvement that's ultimately pointless.
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d so that contracts were compiled in based on how the
caller were compiled rather than the callee - then maybe having an actual
contract would make sense, but as it stands, I don't see the point.
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On Saturday, March 24, 2018 00:51:07 Tony via Digitalmars-d-announce wrote:
> On Saturday, 24 March 2018 at 00:12:23 UTC, Jonathan M Davis
>
> wrote:
> > On Friday, March 23, 2018 22:42:34 Tony via
> >
> > Digitalmars-d-announce wrote:
> >> On Friday, 23 Ma
are
> adding or changing.
Insisting on writing the tests before writing the code doesn't help with the
kind of situation that H. S. Teoh is describing. And arguably it exacerbates
the problem. Regardless, it doesn't help when the code has already been
written.
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tests right after the functions.
And that doesn't even involve a separate file.
Obviously, YMMV, but in my experience, having the tests _immediately_ after
what they're testing is vastly more maintainable than having the tests
elsewhere.
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uot;],
"versions": ["dxmlTests"]
}
}
And then I have scripts such as
test.sh
===
#!/bin/sh
dub test --build=doTests
===
to run the tests. I had to actively work around dub and what it does with
unit tests in order to not have all of dxml's tests compiled into any
project which had dxml as a dependency.
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e unit tests of all of your
dependencies regardless of what dmd does, but even if dub were not doing
that, we'd still have a problem with the language itself.
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On Saturday, March 17, 2018 20:12:08 bauss via Digitalmars-d-announce wrote:
> On Saturday, 17 March 2018 at 19:54:07 UTC, Jonathan M Davis
>
> wrote:
> > On Saturday, March 17, 2018 12:48:07 bauss via
> >
> > Digitalmars-d-announce wrote:
> >> On Friday, 16 Ma
++ syntax
>
> Also "auto" can be omitted.
>
> foreach (element; elements)
Not only can be. It must be. auto is not legal in a foreach loop in D, which
is arguably a bit inconsistent, but for better or worse, that's the way it
is.
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fit even if you never do anything for dmd, druntime, or Phobos.
In some ways, that's probably our biggest need. But regardless, if you're
interested in helping out the D ecosystem, there are plenty of options.
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gt; > https://www.reddit.com/r/d_language/comments/83vbz6/the_d_foundation_at_
> > open_collective/
> The Website needs the link, too!:
> https://dlang.org/foundation/donate.html
BTW, opencollective.com has a link to windfair.net listed in your backer
profile, but it links via https, an
least to begin with. D does things differently, so anyone
learning it is just going to have to expect to deal with a learning curve.
How steep a curve that is is going to depend on the programmer's experience
and background, but it's going to be there regardless.
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my phone).
When dealing with building on Windows, it would definitely pay to read the
instructions and not assume anything about make, since unfortunately, the
Windows build uses the digital mars make, which is severely limited in
comparison to the BSD make or GNU make.
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On Tuesday, March 06, 2018 19:06:25 Martin Nowak via Digitalmars-d-announce
wrote:
> On Tuesday, 6 March 2018 at 18:17:58 UTC, Jonathan M Davis wrote:
> > I'm not actually convinced that killing auto-decoding is really
> > much better.
>
> I don't think the problem is au
On Tuesday, March 06, 2018 10:47:36 H. S. Teoh via Digitalmars-d-announce
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> On Tue, Mar 06, 2018 at 01:31:39PM -0500, Steven Schveighoffer via
Digitalmars-d-announce wrote:
> > On 3/6/18 10:39 AM, Jonathan M Davis wrote:
> > > Yeah. If you're dealing with generi
hen we do new stuff or
redesign old stuff. Frequently, the end result is better, but it's rarely
perfect.
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