Re: [Phoronix] D Language Still Showing Promise, Advancements

2013-06-25 Thread Marco Leise
Am Fri, 21 Jun 2013 14:11:17 +0200 schrieb qznc q...@web.de: The only-thread-local-garbage-collection of Rust is quite interesting in my opinion. Since many-cores (e.g. Xeon Phi) are coming, a stop-the-world garbage collector might become unacceptable. If this is a good solution will be

Re: [Phoronix] D Language Still Showing Promise, Advancements

2013-06-24 Thread deadalnix
On Friday, 21 June 2013 at 12:11:18 UTC, qznc wrote: On Friday, 21 June 2013 at 07:04:41 UTC, Paulo Pinto wrote: As a language geek I think all might have their place. Me too. The only-thread-local-garbage-collection of Rust is quite interesting in my opinion. Since many-cores (e.g. Xeon

Re: [Phoronix] D Language Still Showing Promise, Advancements

2013-06-24 Thread deadalnix
On Sunday, 23 June 2013 at 15:30:16 UTC, Marco Leise wrote: Am Thu, 20 Jun 2013 22:53:13 +0200 schrieb Adam D. Ruppe destructiona...@gmail.com: On Thursday, 20 June 2013 at 20:47:19 UTC, Michael wrote: Also 3 types of pointers scares me. This actually doesn't scare me because it is kinda

Re: [Phoronix] D Language Still Showing Promise, Advancements

2013-06-24 Thread SomeDude
On Friday, 21 June 2013 at 11:13:49 UTC, Paulo Pinto wrote: It all depends what Mozilla and Samsung do with the language. If you have powerful entities pushing a language down developers throats, it will get used. That is how many mainstream languages got where they are now. -- Paulo I

Re: [Phoronix] D Language Still Showing Promise, Advancements

2013-06-23 Thread Marco Leise
Am Thu, 20 Jun 2013 22:53:13 +0200 schrieb Adam D. Ruppe destructiona...@gmail.com: On Thursday, 20 June 2013 at 20:47:19 UTC, Michael wrote: Also 3 types of pointers scares me. This actually doesn't scare me because it is kinda useful for certain situations. However, I don't think it

Re: [Phoronix] D Language Still Showing Promise, Advancements

2013-06-23 Thread Adam D. Ruppe
On Sunday, 23 June 2013 at 15:30:16 UTC, Marco Leise wrote: They have compiler support which removes the syntactical noise of templates and makes them behave more natural. Indeed. I don't mind the syntax (actually, I prefer RefCounted!T to ~T or whatever symbol rust uses) but there's some

Re: [Phoronix] D Language Still Showing Promise, Advancements

2013-06-22 Thread Jacob Carlborg
On 2013-06-21 14:11, qznc wrote: Me too. The only-thread-local-garbage-collection of Rust is quite interesting in my opinion. Since many-cores (e.g. Xeon Phi) are coming, a stop-the-world garbage collector might become unacceptable. If this is a good solution will be seen (maybe). I certainly

Re: [Phoronix] D Language Still Showing Promise, Advancements

2013-06-21 Thread Andrej Mitrovic
On 6/21/13, deadalnix deadal...@gmail.com wrote: The article is quite void of any real content. Still, it means that D is gaining traction, which is always a good news ! Yeah, I was gonna say despite it being nice for D being mentioned, nowadays these popular websites do nothing more than

Re: [Phoronix] D Language Still Showing Promise, Advancements

2013-06-21 Thread Paulo Pinto
On Thursday, 20 June 2013 at 14:59:33 UTC, bearophile wrote: Adam D. Ruppe: Is it just me or has Rust completely displaced Go as the go-to 'why D when we have X' thing on the reddit? It seems like not even a full year ago, Rust was rarely mentioned and all the versus hype was about Go. Go

Re: [Phoronix] D Language Still Showing Promise, Advancements

2013-06-21 Thread Paulo Pinto
On Thursday, 20 June 2013 at 19:24:52 UTC, Jonathan M Davis wrote: On Thursday, June 20, 2013 21:05:46 TommiT wrote: Currently, I think they're discussing if it's possible to add mutable external iterators to Rust, which doesn't seem possible, because the strong memory safety Rust has chosen

Re: [Phoronix] D Language Still Showing Promise, Advancements

2013-06-21 Thread Dicebot
On Thursday, 20 June 2013 at 14:37:51 UTC, Adam D. Ruppe wrote: Is it just me or has Rust completely displaced Go as the go-to 'why D when we have X' thing on the reddit? It seems like not even a full year ago, Rust was rarely mentioned and all the versus hype was about Go. Will Rust fade

Re: [Phoronix] D Language Still Showing Promise, Advancements

2013-06-21 Thread Paulo Pinto
On Friday, 21 June 2013 at 10:10:31 UTC, Dicebot wrote: On Thursday, 20 June 2013 at 14:37:51 UTC, Adam D. Ruppe wrote: Is it just me or has Rust completely displaced Go as the go-to 'why D when we have X' thing on the reddit? It seems like not even a full year ago, Rust was rarely mentioned

Re: [Phoronix] D Language Still Showing Promise, Advancements

2013-06-21 Thread Dicebot
On Friday, 21 June 2013 at 11:13:49 UTC, Paulo Pinto wrote: If you have powerful entities pushing a language down developers throats, it will get used. That is how many mainstream languages got where they are now. It will be used if its capabilities suit target domain. In other words, no

Re: [Phoronix] D Language Still Showing Promise, Advancements

2013-06-21 Thread qznc
On Friday, 21 June 2013 at 07:04:41 UTC, Paulo Pinto wrote: As a language geek I think all might have their place. Me too. The only-thread-local-garbage-collection of Rust is quite interesting in my opinion. Since many-cores (e.g. Xeon Phi) are coming, a stop-the-world garbage collector

Re: [Phoronix] D Language Still Showing Promise, Advancements

2013-06-21 Thread Paulo Pinto
On Friday, 21 June 2013 at 12:01:31 UTC, Dicebot wrote: On Friday, 21 June 2013 at 11:13:49 UTC, Paulo Pinto wrote: If you have powerful entities pushing a language down developers throats, it will get used. That is how many mainstream languages got where they are now. It will be used if its

Re: [Phoronix] D Language Still Showing Promise, Advancements

2013-06-21 Thread eles
On Friday, 21 June 2013 at 13:16:07 UTC, Paulo Pinto wrote: On Friday, 21 June 2013 at 12:01:31 UTC, Dicebot wrote: On Friday, 21 June 2013 at 11:13:49 UTC, Paulo Pinto wrote: This is why Microsoft killed C in their tooling. Unless they change their mind, C++ will be the lowest you can get in

Re: [Phoronix] D Language Still Showing Promise, Advancements

2013-06-21 Thread Paulo Pinto
On Friday, 21 June 2013 at 13:52:58 UTC, eles wrote: On Friday, 21 June 2013 at 13:16:07 UTC, Paulo Pinto wrote: On Friday, 21 June 2013 at 12:01:31 UTC, Dicebot wrote: On Friday, 21 June 2013 at 11:13:49 UTC, Paulo Pinto wrote: This is why Microsoft killed C in their tooling. Unless they

Re: [Phoronix] D Language Still Showing Promise, Advancements

2013-06-21 Thread eles
On Friday, 21 June 2013 at 14:16:44 UTC, Paulo Pinto wrote: On Friday, 21 June 2013 at 13:52:58 UTC, eles wrote: On Friday, 21 June 2013 at 13:16:07 UTC, Paulo Pinto wrote: On Friday, 21 June 2013 at 12:01:31 UTC, Dicebot wrote: On Friday, 21 June 2013 at 11:13:49 UTC, Paulo Pinto wrote:

Re: [Phoronix] D Language Still Showing Promise, Advancements

2013-06-21 Thread Paulo Pinto
Am 21.06.2013 16:35, schrieb eles: On Friday, 21 June 2013 at 14:16:44 UTC, Paulo Pinto wrote: On Friday, 21 June 2013 at 13:52:58 UTC, eles wrote: On Friday, 21 June 2013 at 13:16:07 UTC, Paulo Pinto wrote: On Friday, 21 June 2013 at 12:01:31 UTC, Dicebot wrote: On Friday, 21 June 2013 at

Re: [Phoronix] D Language Still Showing Promise, Advancements

2013-06-21 Thread Walter Bright
On 6/21/2013 8:41 AM, Paulo Pinto wrote: My first MS-DOS version was 3.3 :) 1.1 here!

[Phoronix] D Language Still Showing Promise, Advancements

2013-06-20 Thread Andrei Alexandrescu
http://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/1gpyor/phoronix_d_language_still_showing_promise/ Andrei

Re: [Phoronix] D Language Still Showing Promise, Advancements

2013-06-20 Thread Adam D. Ruppe
Is it just me or has Rust completely displaced Go as the go-to 'why D when we have X' thing on the reddit? It seems like not even a full year ago, Rust was rarely mentioned and all the versus hype was about Go. Will Rust fade away from D threads a year from now?

Re: [Phoronix] D Language Still Showing Promise, Advancements

2013-06-20 Thread bearophile
Adam D. Ruppe: Is it just me or has Rust completely displaced Go as the go-to 'why D when we have X' thing on the reddit? It seems like not even a full year ago, Rust was rarely mentioned and all the versus hype was about Go. Go now is not advertised as a system language, and I think it

Re: [Phoronix] D Language Still Showing Promise, Advancements

2013-06-20 Thread w0rp
The Rust comparisons should end. There is nothing to be gained from it.

Re: [Phoronix] D Language Still Showing Promise, Advancements

2013-06-20 Thread Craig Dillabaugh
On Thursday, 20 June 2013 at 17:51:11 UTC, w0rp wrote: The Rust comparisons should end. There is nothing to be gained from it. It was not the D supporters on the Reddit discussion who brought Rust into the mix. Although I agree with you that trashing another language, whatever it may be

Re: [Phoronix] D Language Still Showing Promise, Advancements

2013-06-20 Thread TommiT
On Thursday, 20 June 2013 at 18:44:43 UTC, Craig Dillabaugh wrote: On Thursday, 20 June 2013 at 17:51:11 UTC, w0rp wrote: The Rust comparisons should end. There is nothing to be gained from it. It was not the D supporters on the Reddit discussion who brought Rust into the mix. Although I

Re: [Phoronix] D Language Still Showing Promise, Advancements

2013-06-20 Thread Jonathan M Davis
On Thursday, June 20, 2013 21:05:46 TommiT wrote: Currently, I think they're discussing if it's possible to add mutable external iterators to Rust, which doesn't seem possible, because the strong memory safety Rust has chosen to operate within is quite restrictive. And if you can't have

Re: [Phoronix] D Language Still Showing Promise, Advancements

2013-06-20 Thread Ali Çehreli
On 06/20/2013 12:05 PM, TommiT wrote: no proper generic programming. I think that's a pretty good argument against Rust at the moment, but who knows, maybe they can figure it out. Interestingly, I have heard the exact same thing about Go. But I wouldn't go around bashing Rust, it seems a

Re: [Phoronix] D Language Still Showing Promise, Advancements

2013-06-20 Thread Michael
From version to another version a changes are very huge in Rust even in comparison with D. Also 3 types of pointers scares me. Version 1.0 promises be usable for wide public. Now on windows it's very slow and buggy.

Re: [Phoronix] D Language Still Showing Promise, Advancements

2013-06-20 Thread Adam D. Ruppe
On Thursday, 20 June 2013 at 20:47:19 UTC, Michael wrote: Also 3 types of pointers scares me. This actually doesn't scare me because it is kinda useful for certain situations. However, I don't think it needs to be built into the language because library types can do the same kind of thing.

Re: [Phoronix] D Language Still Showing Promise, Advancements

2013-06-20 Thread deadalnix
On Thursday, 20 June 2013 at 11:29:13 UTC, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote: http://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/1gpyor/phoronix_d_language_still_showing_promise/ Andrei The article is quite void of any real content. Still, it means that D is gaining traction, which is always a good news !