Re: The D Language Foundation at Open Collective
On Monday, 19 March 2018 at 09:42:11 UTC, rumbu wrote: On Monday, 19 March 2018 at 07:22:42 UTC, Paolo Invernizzi wrote: On Thursday, 15 March 2018 at 12:36:24 UTC, Meta wrote: On Wednesday, 14 March 2018 at 12:00:42 UTC, Seb wrote: Yeah, the idea is that 5$ a month isn't much (~ one coffee in most countries), but if 500 people donate one coffee a month, you get the entire coffee machine with a warp engine :) Sorry to derail, but I had to ask: where does 1 coffee (even extra large) cost $5 USD? Let me know so I know to never move there. Yeah... I still prefer an 'espresso', that in Italy is simply called 'caffè': 1.00 euro in Milano. An original Cappuccino, italiano, is 1.20 euro... /Paolo I wonder how did you survive in Italy without Starbucks? :) Well, things are moving... [1] I'm wondering if they will do the 'espresso solo' the Italian Way guess not! Anyhow, I've drank a very very good "caffè espresso" in Silicon Valley, in a Google Plex building... There was a guy with a real passion about it, and he was able to use an Italian Coffè Machine in the right way. :-) [1] https://starbucksreservecareers.it/index.html
Re: The D Language Foundation at Open Collective
On Monday, 19 March 2018 at 07:22:42 UTC, Paolo Invernizzi wrote: On Thursday, 15 March 2018 at 12:36:24 UTC, Meta wrote: On Wednesday, 14 March 2018 at 12:00:42 UTC, Seb wrote: Yeah, the idea is that 5$ a month isn't much (~ one coffee in most countries), but if 500 people donate one coffee a month, you get the entire coffee machine with a warp engine :) Sorry to derail, but I had to ask: where does 1 coffee (even extra large) cost $5 USD? Let me know so I know to never move there. Yeah... I still prefer an 'espresso', that in Italy is simply called 'caffè': 1.00 euro in Milano. An original Cappuccino, italiano, is 1.20 euro... /Paolo I wonder how did you survive in Italy without Starbucks? :)
Re: The D Language Foundation at Open Collective
On Monday, 19 March 2018 at 07:22:42 UTC, Paolo Invernizzi wrote: On Thursday, 15 March 2018 at 12:36:24 UTC, Meta wrote: On Wednesday, 14 March 2018 at 12:00:42 UTC, Seb wrote: Yeah, the idea is that 5$ a month isn't much (~ one coffee in most countries), but if 500 people donate one coffee a month, you get the entire coffee machine with a warp engine :) Sorry to derail, but I had to ask: where does 1 coffee (even extra large) cost $5 USD? Let me know so I know to never move there. Yeah... I still prefer an 'espresso', that in Italy is simply called 'caffè': 1.00 euro in Milano. An original Cappuccino, italiano, is 1.20 euro... /Paolo O.K. Paolo, you are in a very bad position you would have to give up your morning espresso a whole five day working week to make the 5$ for "dlang.org" donation :-) It was a view years ago, when I was in the US, thinking: "espresso, should be the same in Colorado as in Germany." But I got shocked by the bar keeper putting spray cream on top of the small cup... So you never know what you get, if your order something called "coffee" if you are outside of Bella Italia!
Re: The D Language Foundation at Open Collective
On 03/19/2018 12:31 AM, Tony wrote: I believe they only mentioned the time factor, but it is also labor intensive to manually pour the water. Yup [nod, nod]. That's why decades ago they invented machines to pour the hot water over the coffee for us ;) It even heats up the water, too!
Re: The D Language Foundation at Open Collective
On Thursday, 15 March 2018 at 12:36:24 UTC, Meta wrote: On Wednesday, 14 March 2018 at 12:00:42 UTC, Seb wrote: Yeah, the idea is that 5$ a month isn't much (~ one coffee in most countries), but if 500 people donate one coffee a month, you get the entire coffee machine with a warp engine :) Sorry to derail, but I had to ask: where does 1 coffee (even extra large) cost $5 USD? Let me know so I know to never move there. Yeah... I still prefer an 'espresso', that in Italy is simply called 'caffè': 1.00 euro in Milano. An original Cappuccino, italiano, is 1.20 euro... /Paolo
Re: The D Language Foundation at Open Collective
On Monday, 19 March 2018 at 03:12:52 UTC, Nick Sabalausky (Abscissa) wrote: (And McDonalds $1/large thing seems to have gone away, I think it was just a temporary promotion. At least around here, anyway (Cleveland area, in the US)). Still doing it in the Northern California McDonalds near me. $1 for a large soda too. I'll never understand the whole "pour over" coffee movement. There is a coffee chain that started in San Francisco, Philz Coffee, which specializes in pour over coffee, and is now up to 42 locations. It is popular, and pour over and popular means an excellent chance you end up waiting in a significant line, but a lot of people don't seem to mind. I even wonder if it adds to the experience, making the product seem more valuable. However, someone must not like the wait because I read an article recently that mentioned some upscale coffee places were going back to using machines. I believe they only mentioned the time factor, but it is also labor intensive to manually pour the water.
Re: The D Language Foundation at Open Collective
On 03/18/2018 04:18 PM, Tony wrote: On Thursday, 15 March 2018 at 12:36:24 UTC, Meta wrote: Sorry to derail, but I had to ask: where does 1 coffee (even extra large) cost $5 USD? Let me know so I know to never move there. I have seen regular coffee at $4.50 and as high as $5.50 in the USA (and not always a large), but in order to get there, it has to be "single cup pour over" made, as opposed to coming out of a machine into a pot. And the beans have to be organic or they are telling you exactly where they were grown and giving you alleged "flavor notes" and maybe they roasted them in-house or locally, and the place has to have an upscale or luxury vibe. But Starbucks in the USA gives you a 20oz out-of-a-machine for under $3. McDonald's beats everybody - $1 for a large. Although I am not a big fan of the McDonalds coffee (maybe psychological due to the low price). 7/11 convenience stores and Chevron gas stations both have several varieties of coffee on tap that they sell for under $2 for a large, that I think tastes good. McDonald's and Wendy's both have pretty good coffee, but the catch is they often let it sit around far too long, at which point it can get pretty bad. So it's kind of coffee roulette. (And McDonalds $1/large thing seems to have gone away, I think it was just a temporary promotion. At least around here, anyway (Cleveland area, in the US)). I'll never understand the whole "pour over" coffee movement. It's basically the same exact technique everyone's the cheap consumer level coffee machine already does far more conveniently: Hot water poured over coffee grounds sitting in a filter. I've been to one of those pour over places, and it was mediocre at best (not to mention slow and expensive). I've had better coffee from fast food joints. But then again, I've never been very hipster-compatible ;) There's a couple (non-fast food) chains we have around here, Panera and Arabica, that make some of the best coffee I've ever had, without doing the whole pour-over fad, for about $2.
Re: The D Language Foundation at Open Collective
On Sunday, 18 March 2018 at 20:18:45 UTC, Tony wrote: I have seen regular coffee at $4.50 and as high as $5.50 in the USA (and not always a large), I believe they currently have a $5.50 pour over, but this undated third-party hosted menu for Voltaire Coffee House in San Jose, CA shows "pour over" cups of coffee from $4 to $5: http://places.singleplatform.com/voltaire-coffee-house/menu
Re: The D Language Foundation at Open Collective
On Thursday, 15 March 2018 at 12:36:24 UTC, Meta wrote: Sorry to derail, but I had to ask: where does 1 coffee (even extra large) cost $5 USD? Let me know so I know to never move there. I have seen regular coffee at $4.50 and as high as $5.50 in the USA (and not always a large), but in order to get there, it has to be "single cup pour over" made, as opposed to coming out of a machine into a pot. And the beans have to be organic or they are telling you exactly where they were grown and giving you alleged "flavor notes" and maybe they roasted them in-house or locally, and the place has to have an upscale or luxury vibe. But Starbucks in the USA gives you a 20oz out-of-a-machine for under $3. McDonald's beats everybody - $1 for a large. Although I am not a big fan of the McDonalds coffee (maybe psychological due to the low price). 7/11 convenience stores and Chevron gas stations both have several varieties of coffee on tap that they sell for under $2 for a large, that I think tastes good.
Re: The D Language Foundation at Open Collective
On Sunday, 18 March 2018 at 13:23:08 UTC, Dmitry Olshansky wrote: On Thursday, 15 March 2018 at 17:08:28 UTC, Ola Fosheim Grøstad wrote: On Thursday, 15 March 2018 at 17:06:00 UTC, Ola Fosheim Grøstad wrote: On Thursday, 15 March 2018 at 14:13:10 UTC, Mike Parker wrote: At the current exchange rate, a venti-sized cup of drip coffee at Starbucks in Korea is $4.51. When I go to GA, it's cheaper. A venti Americano is $4.79. But I think when people talk about $5 coffees, they're referring to lattes and all the other forms of polluted espresso abominations people drink. According to this article Russian Starbucks charge $12.30 for a latte... https://www.thespruce.com/how-much-is-starbucks-coffee-766065 Or actually, a tall cappuccino. Whatever. More like 6$ I’d say by looking at the actual price over here. Some facts for a change, the actual price list: PS: http://www.starbucks.ru/media/Цены%20на%20основные%20напитки_2018_01_tcm84-35742.pdf I do not see anything above ~300-400₽. Which is 5-6$.
Re: The D Language Foundation at Open Collective
On Thursday, 15 March 2018 at 17:08:28 UTC, Ola Fosheim Grøstad wrote: On Thursday, 15 March 2018 at 17:06:00 UTC, Ola Fosheim Grøstad wrote: On Thursday, 15 March 2018 at 14:13:10 UTC, Mike Parker wrote: At the current exchange rate, a venti-sized cup of drip coffee at Starbucks in Korea is $4.51. When I go to GA, it's cheaper. A venti Americano is $4.79. But I think when people talk about $5 coffees, they're referring to lattes and all the other forms of polluted espresso abominations people drink. According to this article Russian Starbucks charge $12.30 for a latte... https://www.thespruce.com/how-much-is-starbucks-coffee-766065 Or actually, a tall cappuccino. Whatever. More like 6$ I’d say by looking at the actual price over here.
Re: The D Language Foundation at Open Collective
On Thursday, 15 March 2018 at 17:06:00 UTC, Ola Fosheim Grøstad wrote: On Thursday, 15 March 2018 at 14:13:10 UTC, Mike Parker wrote: At the current exchange rate, a venti-sized cup of drip coffee at Starbucks in Korea is $4.51. When I go to GA, it's cheaper. A venti Americano is $4.79. But I think when people talk about $5 coffees, they're referring to lattes and all the other forms of polluted espresso abominations people drink. According to this article Russian Starbucks charge $12.30 for a latte... https://www.thespruce.com/how-much-is-starbucks-coffee-766065 Or actually, a tall cappuccino. Whatever.
Re: The D Language Foundation at Open Collective
On Thursday, 15 March 2018 at 14:13:10 UTC, Mike Parker wrote: At the current exchange rate, a venti-sized cup of drip coffee at Starbucks in Korea is $4.51. When I go to GA, it's cheaper. A venti Americano is $4.79. But I think when people talk about $5 coffees, they're referring to lattes and all the other forms of polluted espresso abominations people drink. According to this article Russian Starbucks charge $12.30 for a latte... https://www.thespruce.com/how-much-is-starbucks-coffee-766065
Re: OT: Coffee prices [was Re: The D Language Foundation at Open Collective]
On Thursday, 15 March 2018 at 13:10:57 UTC, Seb wrote: (though in Germany that's often cheaper than one cup of coffee) On second thought, maybe I'll move to Germany. I'll suffer expensive coffee in exchange for cheap beer ;-)
Re: The D Language Foundation at Open Collective
On Thursday, 15 March 2018 at 12:36:24 UTC, Meta wrote: On Wednesday, 14 March 2018 at 12:00:42 UTC, Seb wrote: Yeah, the idea is that 5$ a month isn't much (~ one coffee in most countries), but if 500 people donate one coffee a month, you get the entire coffee machine with a warp engine :) Sorry to derail, but I had to ask: where does 1 coffee (even extra large) cost $5 USD? Let me know so I know to never move there. At the current exchange rate, a venti-sized cup of drip coffee at Starbucks in Korea is $4.51. When I go to GA, it's cheaper. A venti Americano is $4.79. But I think when people talk about $5 coffees, they're referring to lattes and all the other forms of polluted espresso abominations people drink.
OT: Coffee prices [was Re: The D Language Foundation at Open Collective]
On Thursday, 15 March 2018 at 12:36:24 UTC, Meta wrote: On Wednesday, 14 March 2018 at 12:00:42 UTC, Seb wrote: Yeah, the idea is that 5$ a month isn't much (~ one coffee in most countries), but if 500 people donate one coffee a month, you get the entire coffee machine with a warp engine :) Sorry to derail, but I had to ask: where does 1 coffee (even extra large) cost $5 USD? Let me know so I know to never move there. Have you ever been to Starbucks (or similar companies)? Even in Germany which is among the cheapest Western European countries they charge 5$ (~4€) for a cup of coffee: http://www.fastfoodpreise.de/preisliste/starbucks.html For example, in Sweden it's even more expensive: https://www.quora.com/What-is-the-average-price-of-a-cup-of-Starbucks-coffee-in-Sweden Anyhow, it was just an analogy. Maybe you prefer one beer as a better analogy? (though in Germany that's often cheaper than one cup of coffee)
Re: The D Language Foundation at Open Collective
On Wednesday, 14 March 2018 at 12:00:42 UTC, Seb wrote: Yeah, the idea is that 5$ a month isn't much (~ one coffee in most countries), but if 500 people donate one coffee a month, you get the entire coffee machine with a warp engine :) Sorry to derail, but I had to ask: where does 1 coffee (even extra large) cost $5 USD? Let me know so I know to never move there.
Re: The D Language Foundation at Open Collective
On Wednesday, 14 March 2018 at 12:00:42 UTC, Seb wrote: On Wednesday, 14 March 2018 at 11:51:04 UTC, Martin Tschierschke wrote: [...] And last but not least place a small donate button on every page! Not sure whether that's a good idea, it might look a bit needy. We already have a donate button on the front page since a few weeks though. Yes, the button at the bottom is good, but it took me quite a while before I scrolled down... I think it is not wrong to ask for money, if you make clear what it will be used for. So only "please donate" is not good. But if you say, D is an free language not backed up by one big corporate, you may help to keep it evolve and free for ever... The next ...$ will be used to ... supporting ... additional students to optimize ... and to run our server infrastructure, to ... With 500 people participating in the survey there should be the chance to boost up the impact of D with more manpower and money. Yeah, the idea is that 5$ a month isn't much (~ one coffee in most countries), but if 500 people donate one coffee a month, you get the entire coffee machine with a warp engine :) I made the same calculation :-)
Re: The D Language Foundation at Open Collective
On Wednesday, 14 March 2018 at 11:51:04 UTC, Martin Tschierschke wrote: On Tuesday, 13 March 2018 at 15:45:51 UTC, Mike Parker wrote: On Tuesday, 13 March 2018 at 15:26:24 UTC, Martin Tschierschke wrote: The Website needs the link, too!: https://dlang.org/foundation/donate.html Yes, there's a PR for it waiting to be merged. https://github.com/dlang/dlang.org/pull/2272 Cool, it is online now. On the Open Collective page should be mentioned, that it just has started. So no one wonders that so far only a few are listed. Good idea! The description at OpenCollective itself needs some work too :/ Additionally you should ensure to transfer the names "automatically" or periodically to https://dlang.org/foundation/sponsors.html That's already in the queue: https://github.com/dlang/dlang.org/pull/2273 And last but not least place a small donate button on every page page! Not sure whether that's a good idea, it might look a bit needy. We already have a donate button on the front page since a few weeks though. With 500 people participating in the survey there should be the chance to boost up the impact of D with more manpower and money. Yeah, the idea is that 5$ a month isn't much (~ one coffee in most countries), but if 500 people donate one coffee a month, you get the entire coffee machine with a warp engine :)
Re: The D Language Foundation at Open Collective
On Tuesday, 13 March 2018 at 15:45:51 UTC, Mike Parker wrote: On Tuesday, 13 March 2018 at 15:26:24 UTC, Martin Tschierschke wrote: The Website needs the link, too!: https://dlang.org/foundation/donate.html Yes, there's a PR for it waiting to be merged. https://github.com/dlang/dlang.org/pull/2272 Cool, it is online now. On the Open Collective page should be mentioned, that it just has started. So no one wonders that so far only a few are listed. Additionally you should ensure to transfer the names "automatically" or periodically to https://dlang.org/foundation/sponsors.html And last but not least place a small donate button on every page page! With 500 people participating in the survey there should be the chance to boost up the impact of D with more manpower and money. Regards mt.
Re: The D Language Foundation at Open Collective
On Tuesday, 13 March 2018 at 15:54:56 UTC, Jonathan M Davis wrote: On Tuesday, March 13, 2018 15:26:24 Martin Tschierschke via Digitalmars-d- announce wrote: [...] BTW, opencollective.com has a link to windfair.net listed in your backer profile, but it links via https, and windfair.net seems to be http only, so clicking on the link fails to connect. - Jonathan M Davis Thank you, I changed it, (now both are working pointing to https://w3.windfair.net) as you can see, it was my donation during the testing period, now I have to think which is the right decision for further funding...
Re: The D Language Foundation at Open Collective
On Tuesday, March 13, 2018 15:26:24 Martin Tschierschke via Digitalmars-d- announce wrote: > On Monday, 12 March 2018 at 14:32:34 UTC, Mike Parker wrote: > > Today, the D Language Foundation has launched a page at Open > > Collective: > > > > https://opencollective.com/dlang. > > > > This brings some transparency to the process and opens new > > opportunities for how the Foundation handles donations. > > > > The blog post: > > https://dlang.org/blog/2018/03/12/the-d-foundation-at-open-collective/ > > > > Reddit: > > https://www.reddit.com/r/d_language/comments/83vbz6/the_d_foundation_at_ > > open_collective/ > The Website needs the link, too!: > https://dlang.org/foundation/donate.html BTW, opencollective.com has a link to windfair.net listed in your backer profile, but it links via https, and windfair.net seems to be http only, so clicking on the link fails to connect. - Jonathan M Davis
Re: The D Language Foundation at Open Collective
On Tuesday, 13 March 2018 at 15:26:24 UTC, Martin Tschierschke wrote: The Website needs the link, too!: https://dlang.org/foundation/donate.html Yes, there's a PR for it waiting to be merged. https://github.com/dlang/dlang.org/pull/2272
Re: The D Language Foundation at Open Collective
On Monday, 12 March 2018 at 14:32:34 UTC, Mike Parker wrote: Today, the D Language Foundation has launched a page at Open Collective: https://opencollective.com/dlang. This brings some transparency to the process and opens new opportunities for how the Foundation handles donations. The blog post: https://dlang.org/blog/2018/03/12/the-d-foundation-at-open-collective/ Reddit: https://www.reddit.com/r/d_language/comments/83vbz6/the_d_foundation_at_open_collective/ The Website needs the link, too!: https://dlang.org/foundation/donate.html
Re: The D Language Foundation at Open Collective
On Tuesday, 13 March 2018 at 09:48:10 UTC, rikki cattermole wrote: On 13/03/2018 10:39 PM, M.M. wrote: On Monday, 12 March 2018 at 14:37:40 UTC, rikki cattermole wrote: Can you guys add another donation package, which is basically pay what you want towards a more long term issue? To incentivize fixing. Monetary wise I shouldn't donate but I do care about shared library support enough that I will talk with some cash. One can freely choose the amount (s)he pays, when selecting "one-time contribution" donation. You missed what I was asking about. In the higher tier packages you can select specific bugs to have worked on. But it does not matter, funding options for these bigger long term issues is in the works. Indeed, I missed the point. Sorry for rushing my answer. I thought I would help other potential donors.
Re: The D Language Foundation at Open Collective
On 13/03/2018 10:39 PM, M.M. wrote: On Monday, 12 March 2018 at 14:37:40 UTC, rikki cattermole wrote: Can you guys add another donation package, which is basically pay what you want towards a more long term issue? To incentivize fixing. Monetary wise I shouldn't donate but I do care about shared library support enough that I will talk with some cash. One can freely choose the amount (s)he pays, when selecting "one-time contribution" donation. You missed what I was asking about. In the higher tier packages you can select specific bugs to have worked on. But it does not matter, funding options for these bigger long term issues is in the works.
Re: The D Language Foundation at Open Collective
On Monday, 12 March 2018 at 14:37:40 UTC, rikki cattermole wrote: Can you guys add another donation package, which is basically pay what you want towards a more long term issue? To incentivize fixing. Monetary wise I shouldn't donate but I do care about shared library support enough that I will talk with some cash. One can freely choose the amount (s)he pays, when selecting "one-time contribution" donation.
Re: The D Language Foundation at Open Collective
On Monday, 12 March 2018 at 14:32:34 UTC, Mike Parker wrote: Today, the D Language Foundation has launched a page at Open Collective: https://opencollective.com/dlang. This brings some transparency to the process and opens new opportunities for how the Foundation handles donations. The blog post: https://dlang.org/blog/2018/03/12/the-d-foundation-at-open-collective/ Reddit: https://www.reddit.com/r/d_language/comments/83vbz6/the_d_foundation_at_open_collective/ Good start, happy to see this evolve! I wood love to have the possibility to get a mug or a D book, both signed by the D Foundation core members.
Re: The D Language Foundation at Open Collective
On Monday, 12 March 2018 at 14:37:40 UTC, rikki cattermole wrote: Can you guys add another donation package, which is basically pay what you want towards a more long term issue? To incentivize fixing. Monetary wise I shouldn't donate but I do care about shared library support enough that I will talk with some cash. The idea is to create dedicated kickstarter campaigns for the most pressing issue of the community. Once the State of D survey has been concluded and analyzed, we will most likely kickoff the first campaign. Stay tuned!
Re: The D Language Foundation at Open Collective
On Monday, 12 March 2018 at 14:37:40 UTC, rikki cattermole wrote: Can you guys add another donation package, which is basically pay what you want towards a more long term issue? To incentivize fixing. Monetary wise I shouldn't donate but I do care about shared library support enough that I will talk with some cash. I liked the way pypy did it. They had public calls for donations that were prominent on their website and were very specific about everything. E.g.: https://pypy.org/numpydonate.html https://pypy.org/py3donate.html
Re: The D Language Foundation at Open Collective
On Monday, 12 March 2018 at 14:37:40 UTC, rikki cattermole wrote: Can you guys add another donation package, which is basically pay what you want towards a more long term issue? To incentivize fixing. Monetary wise I shouldn't donate but I do care about shared library support enough that I will talk with some cash. At some point, we will have targeted goals that people can throw cash at. But not just yet.
Re: The D Language Foundation at Open Collective
Can you guys add another donation package, which is basically pay what you want towards a more long term issue? To incentivize fixing. Monetary wise I shouldn't donate but I do care about shared library support enough that I will talk with some cash.
The D Language Foundation at Open Collective
Today, the D Language Foundation has launched a page at Open Collective: https://opencollective.com/dlang. This brings some transparency to the process and opens new opportunities for how the Foundation handles donations. The blog post: https://dlang.org/blog/2018/03/12/the-d-foundation-at-open-collective/ Reddit: https://www.reddit.com/r/d_language/comments/83vbz6/the_d_foundation_at_open_collective/
