Re: [digitalradio] Re: Digital Frequency List - Bandplans.com

2006-06-21 Thread Craig Cook
SCS gives away the modems at cost or for free? News to me. Can I use a soundcard program to detect it and monitor it, as I should be able to do as a licensed amateur? No, it is not open to the public. Will West Mountain Radio, MFJ, or some other company start selling a more reasonably priced modem?

[digitalradio] Re: Digital Frequency List - Bandplans.com

2006-06-21 Thread Dave Bernstein
I have an SCS PTC-IIe that can operate both Pactor-2 and Pactor-3. I can find no evidence of a busy frequency detector in its documentation or schematic. For keyboard-to-keyboard Pactor operation, there is no need of busy frequency detection; the operators at each end can assure a clear freque

[digitalradio] Re: New ALE Transceiver Vertex VX-1700 HK$6500 = US$837

2006-06-21 Thread expeditionradio
The Vertex VX-1700 is currently available in Hong Kong. HK$6500 = US$837 for the complete VX-1700 transceiver with ALE. For the mathematically impaired, let's crunch the currency conversion numbers from Hong Kong dollars to US dollars: VX-1700 Transceiver is HK$4100 = US$528 ALE-1 Option is HK$

Re: [digitalradio] Re: Digital Frequency List - Bandplans.com

2006-06-21 Thread KV9U
Craig, Where exactly is the money exchanging hands? I have heard this type of comment a number of times and found the exact opposite from what you are saying. The Winlink 2000 system is completely free to use and the four hams or so who developed, own, and control this system have donated thei

Re: [digitalradio] New ALE Transceiver Vertex VX-1700 (lower cost)

2006-06-21 Thread John Becker
At 10:23 PM 6/21/2006, you wrote: >What does the ALE "option" cost beyond the US$837 ? I ask the vertex dealer that I once worked for about this rig and was told that they have no info on it since it's not sold in the USA Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-->

Re: [digitalradio] Re: Digital Frequency List - Bandplans.com

2006-06-21 Thread John Becker
>If QRM-Tor III modems did listen Since it cost over 900 bucks to get a SCS Pactor III controller I think it's a pretty good guess that most have never copied any pactor III traffic. That makes the above statement bold or just repeating what someone else has said. I do have a pactor III

Re: [digitalradio] New ALE Transceiver Vertex VX-1700 (lower cost)

2006-06-21 Thread Andrew O'Brien
What does the ALE "option" cost beyond the US$837 ? On 6/21/06, expeditionradio <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >I priced the new Vertex VX-1700 HF-ALE transceiver yesterday at > a radio store in Hong Kong. This transceiver has a built-in ALE > option, so it does not need an external PC or contro

Re: [digitalradio] Bandplans.com Re: Suggested Digital Op Frequencies

2006-06-21 Thread Craig Cook
14,109.5 Khz - MT63 On 6/21/06, John Bradley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I agree with Risto iin that bandplans.com are based on input, and not > someone's favorite rant. > > In terms of missing entries, I'd llike to point out the following : > > 3725 -3750 Canada Provincial and Regional SSB n

Re: [digitalradio] Bandplans.com Re: Suggested Digital Op Frequencies

2006-06-21 Thread John Bradley
I agree with Risto iin that bandplans.com are based on input, and not someone's favorite rant. In terms of missing entries, I'd llike to point out the following : 3725 -3750 Canada Provincial and Regional SSB nets, and emergency nets as required. 7055mhz40M Canada calling frequency, and na

[digitalradio] New ALE Transceiver Vertex VX-1700 (lower cost)

2006-06-21 Thread expeditionradio
I priced the new Vertex VX-1700 HF-ALE transceiver yesterday at a radio store in Hong Kong. This transceiver has a built-in ALE option, so it does not need an external PC or controller. It also has built-in CCIR 493 SELCALL (100baud FSK) that is compatible with VX-1210. The total cost (converted t

Re: [digitalradio] Re: Digital Frequency List - Bandplans.com

2006-06-21 Thread John Becker
> I do know that no automatic >station control software currently uses busy frequency detection to >refrain from transmitting when the frequency is in use. Packet for one. Sorry you are right that's the hardware doing it. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --

Re: [digitalradio] Re: Digital Frequency List - Bandplans.com

2006-06-21 Thread Craig Cook
If QRM-Tor III modems did listen for a busy channel, much less traffic would get through. Thurston Howell won't be able to send free email from his luxury yacht, possibly hurting sales of modems. Don't count on it ever happening. PactorIII/WinLink is a commercial for profit enterprise that happens

[digitalradio] Re: Digital Frequency List - Bandplans.com

2006-06-21 Thread Dave Bernstein
Yes. This was well-demonstrated in SCAMP, a soundcard-base protocol that was beta-tested but never operationally deployed. For protocols like Pactor-2 and Pactor-3 whose implementation evidently requires an outboard modem, busy detection could be implemented either with additional hardware, wit

Re: [digitalradio] Re: Digital Frequency List - Bandplans.com

2006-06-21 Thread Bill Turner
ORIGINAL MESSAGE: At 07:30 AM 6/21/2006, Dave Bernstein wrote: >the automatic station control software >immediately responds to an incoming request whether the frequency is >locally clear or not. *** REPLY SEPARATOR *** Couldn't this be cured by software? The automatic station s

[digitalradio] Re: not this again (was- Digital Frequency List - Bandplans.com

2006-06-21 Thread Dave Bernstein
Thanks, Ed. 73, Dave, AA6YQ --- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, "ebills42" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Dave, > > A technicality or two on your response. > > 1. FCC Part 97 is not a statue but a regulation. Statutes are > legislated and result in regulations, such as Part 97, t

[digitalradio] Re: I Should Know The Answer - Confused Myself

2006-06-21 Thread Jon Maguire
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/digitalradio/message/15196 Although it may be a no-no, you could use steganography to embed non-image data within an image. Now let's here some word on this as long as the "specification" is published, and there is not intent to obscure data from view, then I

[digitalradio] Re: not this again (was- Digital Frequency List - Bandplans.com

2006-06-21 Thread ebills42
Dave, A technicality or two on your response. 1. FCC Part 97 is not a statue but a regulation. Statutes are legislated and result in regulations, such as Part 97, to implement the law or the statute. 2. When the Regulation is posted in the Federal Register the complete release includes a "Pre

[digitalradio] re: www.bandplans.com

2006-06-21 Thread Dave Bernstein
Then perhaps you should relocate your site from www.bandplans.com to www.ProposedBandPlans.com so that no one is confused about the unmoderated and unofficial nature of its contents. At minimum, your site should contain a prominent disclaimer to this effect. 73, Dave, AA6YQ ---

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2006-06-21 Thread F.R. Ashley
Date:Jun 21, 2006 3:40 PM This is not correct. bandplans.com entries are all based on user's input. While Bonnie has inputted a lot of those, everyone else is welcome to submit, too. Site itself is not taking sides either way. The purpose is to provide a

[digitalradio] Re: Digital Frequency List - Bandplans.com

2006-06-21 Thread xprt_99
--- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, "jhaynesatalumni" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Aside from what's been said recently, once upon a time there > was a lot of Clover operation in the range 14064.5-14066.5 > and such. Since there is hardly any Clover anymore, why don't > we operate other digita

Re: [digitalradio] I Should Know The Answer - Confused Myself

2006-06-21 Thread KV9U
Kevin, RTTY is data, but they often will use the term "data" to mean any other digital mode including packet. Data modes are not permitted on most HF SSB voice frequencies ... unless the data is "image." The one exception is on 160 meters where it is theoretically possible to do this although

Re: [digitalradio] Bandplans.com Re: Suggested Digital Op Frequencies

2006-06-21 Thread Risto Kotalampi
This is not correct. bandplans.com entries are all based on user's input. While Bonnie has inputted a lot of those, everyone else is welcome to submit, too. Site itself is not taking sides either way. The purpose is to provide a snapshot of what you can find on the bands. I'm looking forward t

[digitalradio] Re: not this again (was- Digital Frequency List - Bandplans.com

2006-06-21 Thread Dave Bernstein
If I call CQ on a clear frequency and you respond from the other side of the country -- QRMing over a local QSO in the process -- it is you, not I, who is violating 97.101(d): "No amateur operator shall willfully or maliciously interfere with or cause interference to any radio communication or

[digitalradio] Re: Digital Frequency List - Bandplans.com

2006-06-21 Thread jhaynesatalumni
Aside from what's been said recently, once upon a time there was a lot of Clover operation in the range 14064.5-14066.5 and such. Since there is hardly any Clover anymore, why don't we operate other digital modes down there? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor

Re: [digitalradio] not this again (was- Digital Frequency List - Bandplans.com

2006-06-21 Thread John Becker
And as wee all know, well most of us that in most cases it's the remote station that can't hear a ongoing QSO. Why not pull their license as well? And maybe pull the license of the guy that moved into that part of the band with all the semi-automatic stations. But I think we pretty well beat this

[digitalradio] I Should Know The Answer - Confused Myself

2006-06-21 Thread Kevin der Kinderen
Be kind... sometimes I make the simplest things complicated. There are two questions here... I was working on bands.ini for MixW using the US Amateur Bands sheet from the ARRL. I have never noticed this before... are data (digital) modes not permitted in the SSB sub bands? For instance: 7000 - 71

[digitalradio] Re: Digital Frequency List - Bandplans.com

2006-06-21 Thread Dave Bernstein
In the case of semi-automatic operation, there is generally no operator present at the station generating the QRM. Even when an operator is present, the automatic station control software immediately responds to an incoming request whether the frequency is locally clear or not. If you and I li

Re: [digitalradio] Re: Digital Frequency List - Bandplans.com

2006-06-21 Thread kd4e
> Andrew O'Brien wrote: >> will be intolerable unless >>> operators of semi-automatic stations start losing their licenses if >>> their stations habitually QRM in-progress QSOs while responding to >>> remote requests. > > but Dave, how is this kind of QRM routinely dealt with by the FCC? > I'm ta

Re: [digitalradio] Re: Digital Frequency List - Bandplans.com

2006-06-21 Thread Andrew O'Brien
>will be intolerable unless > >operators of semi-automatic stations start losing their licenses if > >their stations habitually QRM in-progress QSOs while responding to > >remote requests. > but Dave, how is this kind of QRM routinely dealt with by the FCC? I'm talking about any time a station sta

Re: [digitalradio] Re: Digital Frequency List - Bandplans.com

2006-06-21 Thread KV9U
If the ARRL proposal is accepted, then the main change would be that the wide data modes would have to all move up above 14.100 at first. The impression that I got from reading Dave Sumner's comments was that they would like to see a bandplan where the digital voice would be segregated from ana