Re: [digitalradio] Re: CW vs PSK = Brain vs Machine Decode

2006-12-23 Thread Jose A. Amador
While I see a possibility in copying FSK with some coding, or ASK, I don't see how the ear could discern PSK. ASK may be identified as presence or absence of a tone, FSK as the presence of one of two tones, but PSK is the SAME tone, with just key clicks during phase jumps, but with no way for

Re: [digitalradio] Re: 14078.4 Success!

2006-12-23 Thread kd4e
jhaynesatalumni wrote: > So it seems that just by suggesting a particular frequency for > calling someone has stirred up a bunch of digital modes > activity. > > One thing I'll suggest is that maybe we don't need to QSY after > establishing a contact. Seems like you can listen on 14078.4 > and if

Re: [digitalradio] Calling Freq: To QSY or Not QSY...that is th question.

2006-12-23 Thread Danny Douglas
If there is a "central" calling freq, and it is busy, we can simply "look around". In fact, I have my waterfall set to see almost 5 KC of band, and the bandpass in the rig isnt even that wide, but I can definitely see at least 3kc quite well. If another station is within that area, I will see him

Re: [digitalradio] Re: 14078.4 Success!

2006-12-23 Thread Salomao Fresco
Hi everybody! I don't think they (us) call it "calling frequency" for nothing, but perhaps you can try this: next time you need to call the police, fire department, or the likes instead of 911 dial 912, after all it's just a number away. Regards and Seasons Greetings to all On 12/23/06, Rog

[digitalradio] Calling Freq: To QSY or Not QSY...that is th question.

2006-12-23 Thread Andrew O'Brien
--- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, KV9U <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I strongly agree with this. I have never understood the concept of > moving off a calling frequency once contact is made unless the reason is > due to annoying those listening to a given dedicated frequency as we do > on

Re: [digitalradio] Legal implications of rules interpretations

2006-12-23 Thread Danny Douglas
You cannot depend 100 percent on what they may say anyway. I came from Hong Kong, back to Washington state for home leave, then traveled by myself on to Washington DC for further training, etc. Went in to the state department travel office to make arrangements to travel on down to Caracas. I ask

Re: [digitalradio] Re: 14078.4 Success!

2006-12-23 Thread Roger J. Buffington
jhaynesatalumni wrote: > > So it seems that just by suggesting a particular frequency for > calling someone has stirred up a bunch of digital modes activity. > > One thing I'll suggest is that maybe we don't need to QSY after > establishing a contact. Seems like you can listen on 14078.4 and if

Re: [digitalradio] Re: 14078.4 Success!

2006-12-23 Thread KV9U
I strongly agree with this. I have never understood the concept of moving off a calling frequency once contact is made unless the reason is due to annoying those listening to a given dedicated frequency as we do on 2 meter simplex. Even there, I question the wisdom of doing that in less populat

Re: [digitalradio] Transmitting digital pictures on 14.240 MHz

2006-12-23 Thread Roger J. Buffington
John Champa wrote: > > Steinar, > > I think US hams are simply reading far too much into their > regulations. They tend to do that because we are over exposed: We > have too many under-employed lawyers in the US, and way too many > wanna bes. In the Army we called these amateur lawyers, barrac

[digitalradio] Legal implications of rules interpretations

2006-12-23 Thread KV9U
John, Most of the bureaucrats do care a LOT about the rules from my many years experience with other CFR rules. That is their job. Sometimes things are not clear and the only way to know for sure is to ask and get their interpretation. But interpretations by other individuals, even highly educ

[digitalradio] Re: 14078.4 Success!

2006-12-23 Thread jhaynesatalumni
So it seems that just by suggesting a particular frequency for calling someone has stirred up a bunch of digital modes activity. One thing I'll suggest is that maybe we don't need to QSY after establishing a contact. Seems like you can listen on 14078.4 and if it isn't busy you can call on it, an

Re: [digitalradio] Re: CW vs PSK = Brain vs Machine Decode

2006-12-23 Thread Rein Couperus PA0R
On Sat, 2006-12-23 at 14:02 -0500, kd4e wrote: > > I have to disagree Gabriel, PSK is a form of > > modulated coding, just as is FSK. CW in its simple > > form is a carrier that is on or off and is a form > > of digital signal that the brain can decode, such > > as is voice. But PSK, FSK, usall

[digitalradio] Re: [psk31] Re: CW vs PSK = Brain vs Machine Decode

2006-12-23 Thread Simon Brown
- Original Message - From: "kd4e" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Are there discernible patterns in the tone sequences > used Yes, it's 1 and 0 type stuff but these could be converted to audio signals by a programmer and decoded by someone with: [1] nothing better to do with his / her life, and

[digitalradio] Re: CW vs PSK = Brain vs Machine Decode

2006-12-23 Thread kd4e
> A brain does not make radio waves, a radio > does! Gabriel, WP3BM Oddly enough I believe that the brain actually does generate modulated radio waves. Serious weak signal stuff, though! -- Thanks! & 73, doc, KD4E ... enjoying a sunny CHRISTmas in Florida :-) ~

RE: [digitalradio] Transmitting digital pictures on 14.240 MHz

2006-12-23 Thread John Champa
Steinar, I think US hams are simply reading far too much into their regulations. They tend to do that because we are over exposed: We have too many under-employed lawyers in the US, and way too many wanna bes. In the Army we called these amateur lawyers, barracks lawyers (HI). As a result they of

[digitalradio] SM-220 and RTTY

2006-12-23 Thread Stewart Ausema
I would like to start using my Kenwood SM-220 for RTTY. What kind of demodulator would I need to use in order to use the H.Input and V.Input treminals on the front of the scope. Thanks

[digitalradio] Re: 14078.4 Success!

2006-12-23 Thread Andrew O'Brien
> So, come on folks...lets see how many modes we can stir up on calling > freq this weekend! > > Hey there is a call on the freq now... Roger W6VZV calling via MFSK16. > That makes a whole two modes today :>) > > Andy K3UK. > CU2JT there now calling CQ Feld Hell, oops...now a Throb startin

Re: [digitalradio] Re: CW vs PSK = Brain vs Machine Decode

2006-12-23 Thread Danny Douglas
You can indeed learn to "copy" a bit of rtty. I used to be able to set and hear someone call my government call sign in it. It is simply 5 level code, and I have heard of one or two guys who could copy messages, but never saw anyone do so. The REVS is quite easy to recognize. Just set rtty to i

[digitalradio] New US mirror for live CD

2006-12-23 Thread Rein Couperus PA0R
Because of continuing popularity of the pskmail live CD (20 concurrent downloads) after the QST article came out, I have decided to offer a mirror machine in the US to facilitate download of the pskmail live CD. Point your browser to: http://www.wwns.com/tlf/pskmail_iso/ This address is in the US

[digitalradio] Re: CW vs PSK = Brain vs Machine Decode

2006-12-23 Thread kd4e
> I have to disagree Gabriel, PSK is a form of > modulated coding, just as is FSK. CW in its simple > form is a carrier that is on or off and is a form > of digital signal that the brain can decode, such > as is voice. But PSK, FSK, usally infers a code > the brain can't decode. PSK and FSK me

Re: [digitalradio] Seasons Greetings

2006-12-23 Thread W4LDE-Ron
A very Happy Holiday season to all and to you Joe, nice seeing your call Ron W4LDE Joe Ivey wrote: > To All: > Happy Holiday Season to all > > Joe Ivey > W4JSI > > Light travels faster than sound. > This is why some people appear bright > Until you hear them speak. > > >

[digitalradio] Test in Packet 110 bauds

2006-12-23 Thread Patrick Lindecker
Hello to all, We have done a short experimentation in APRS Packet 110 bauds, Fred (OH/DK4ZC) repeating the frames ("digipeater"). It works well. The signal must be good but not so powerful as in Packet 300 bauds. So I could exchange APRS frames with Fred and I could receive my own frames, rep

[digitalradio] 14078.4 Success!

2006-12-23 Thread Andrew O'Brien
Well, I called on 14078.4 actually had success. After a couple of CQs in Olivia 16/500, a 4-land station came back to me, Dave KI4LAA. Being polite, and arranging to QSY, took 3-4 minutes rather than my suggested 2 minutes but we did shift to 14075.5 . So, come on folks...lets see how man

[digitalradio] Transmitting digital pictures on 14.240 MHz

2006-12-23 Thread Steinar Aanesland
Hi my American HAM friends, If I have understood this right , this FCC rules of yours make it impossibility for you to use rfsm2400 as a "keyboard to Keyboard mode". But you can use it for transmitting digital pictures on 14.240 MHz. It seems a little bit strange to me , but anyway ; let's try

[digitalradio] Seasons Greetings

2006-12-23 Thread Joe Ivey
To All: Happy Holiday Season to all Joe Ivey W4JSI Light travels faster than sound. This is why some people appear bright Until you hear them speak.

Re: [digitalradio] Announcement: 14078.4 20M Calling Frequency

2006-12-23 Thread John Simons
Good Morning Andy, I might have a certain amount of difficulty with this! I operate QRP using a "Small Wonder Labs" PSK 20 and the pass band drops off so steeply I don't think I can operate much above 14075. John G8HWI Andrew O'Brien <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Re: [digitalradio] Announcement: 14078.4 20M Calling Frequency

2006-12-23 Thread Brett Owen Rees VK2TMG
Andy, I am calling CQ on 14078.4 there now using Olivia, MFSK16 or FeldHell - primarily with Olivia. Time now is 821z. I have enabled my waterfall ID in fldigi. 73 de Brett VK2TMG