Re: [Discuss] Verizon phasing out copper

2013-05-08 Thread Richard Pieri
Matthew Gillen wrote: Just because they're not in business now doesn't mean the idea of open access is doomed to failure. To the contrary, I maintain that since none of the big CLECs had any long-term success with it demonstrates that the model -- running your business on your direct

Re: [Discuss] Verizon phasing out copper

2013-05-08 Thread Jerry Feldman
On 05/08/2013 10:50 AM, Richard Pieri wrote: Matthew Gillen wrote: Just because they're not in business now doesn't mean the idea of open access is doomed to failure. To the contrary, I maintain that since none of the big CLECs had any long-term success with it demonstrates that the model --

Re: [Discuss] Verizon phasing out copper

2013-05-08 Thread Matthew Gillen
On 05/08/2013 10:50 AM, Richard Pieri wrote: Matthew Gillen wrote: Just because they're not in business now doesn't mean the idea of open access is doomed to failure. To the contrary, I maintain that since none of the big CLECs had any long-term success with it demonstrates that the model --

Re: [Discuss] Verizon phasing out copper

2013-05-08 Thread Matthew Gillen
On 05/08/2013 03:28 PM, Matthew Gillen wrote: On 05/08/2013 10:50 AM, Richard Pieri wrote: Matthew Gillen wrote: - you may not refuse service to someone who is willing and able to pay in that geographic area This is what I wrote. Common carriers provide service to everyone equally. FiOS

Re: [Discuss] CLECs

2013-05-08 Thread Tom Metro
Richard Pieri wrote: Matthew Gillen wrote: Just because they're not in business now doesn't mean the idea of open access is doomed to failure. To the contrary, I maintain that since none of the big CLECs had any long-term success with it demonstrates that the model -- running your business

Re: [Discuss] Verizon phasing out copper

2013-05-08 Thread Richard Pieri
Matthew Gillen wrote: And I tried to make clear that common carriers have nothing to do with TV. I'm talking about FiOS for internet access. I was never talking about TV. Please stop talking about TV, it is completely irrelevant to this discussion. FiOS is a cable TV service. That's how

Re: [Discuss] Verizon phasing out copper

2013-05-08 Thread Matthew Gillen
On 05/08/2013 04:15 PM, Richard Pieri wrote: Matthew Gillen wrote: And I tried to make clear that common carriers have nothing to do with TV. I'm talking about FiOS for internet access. I was never talking about TV. Please stop talking about TV, it is completely irrelevant to this

Re: [Discuss] Verizon phasing out copper

2013-05-08 Thread Tom Metro
Tom Metro wrote: Today I received a letter from Verizon regarding my residence in Newton saying Verizon is replacing telephone wires...we'll need to move your telephone service to our new fiber network. ... FYI, this note was also published in the Telecom Digest:

[Discuss] SCO just won't go away

2013-05-08 Thread Jerry Feldman
The judge in the SCO vs IBM case had denied SCO's motion to reopen the case a couple of weeks ago. Today SCO is requesting a reconsideration because the stays in the bankruptcy case have been lifted. If the case is reopened, it should be monetary only.

Re: [Discuss] CLECs

2013-05-08 Thread Richard Pieri
Tom Metro wrote: What is your theory for why CLECs failed, then, if not for being technologically surpassed? Being a CLEC is not a partnership with an ILEC. It's an openly aggressive relationship with the organization that operates the infrastructure that your entire business depends on. That

Re: [Discuss] CLECs

2013-05-08 Thread Seth Gordon
The Right Way to run the telecom system, IMHO, would be to “delaminate” it (h/t David Weinberger). Have the ILECs be responsible for maintaining the network infrastructure that shuttles bits from place to place, and let them rent out that bandwidth to service providers, but forbid them from

Re: [Discuss] Verizon phasing out copper

2013-05-08 Thread Richard Pieri
Matthew Gillen wrote: You can buy internet service without getting TV. They are an ISP. That is how they sell it. FiOS is a bundled residential service competing directly with various cable TV/broadband providers like Comcast and Cox. THIS is how VZ sells it. Look at the technology. Each

Re: [Discuss] Verizon phasing out copper

2013-05-08 Thread Bill Horne
On 5/8/2013 4:21 PM, Tom Metro wrote: Tom Metro wrote: Today I received a letter from Verizon regarding my residence in Newton saying Verizon is replacing telephone wires...we'll need to move your telephone service to our new fiber network. ... FYI, this note was also published in the Telecom

Re: [Discuss] CLECs

2013-05-08 Thread Richard Pieri
Seth Gordon wrote: The Right Way to run the telecom system, IMHO, would be to “delaminate” it (h/t David Weinberger). Have the ILECs be responsible for maintaining the network infrastructure that shuttles bits from place to place, and let them rent out that bandwidth to service providers, but

Re: [Discuss] CLECs

2013-05-08 Thread Seth Gordon
IIRC, certain policy wonks claimed that ATT eventually decided that being broken up by the Justice Department was not such a bad idea, because as non-monopolies the Baby Bells had more freedom of action than their mother. (And since deregulation, the Bell System seems to be reconstituting itself.

Re: [Discuss] CLECs

2013-05-08 Thread Richard Pieri
Seth Gordon wrote: The Right Way to run the telecom system, IMHO, would be to “delaminate” it (h/t David Weinberger). Have the ILECs be responsible for maintaining the To respond to the initial point here... I alluded to reinstating the Bell System. To be perfectly honest, I think that the