Re: [tdf-discuss] Security Advisories

2012-03-23 Thread Robert Derman
NoOp wrote: Why is it that security advisories such as this: https://www.libreoffice.org/advisories/CVE-2012-0037/ are not posted on the user or announce lists? The only way I found out about this was via a Redhat bug report: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=791296 [Bug 791296 -

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Security Advisories

2012-03-23 Thread Robert Derman
NoOp wrote: On 03/22/2012 06:31 PM, Italo Vignoli wrote: NoOp wrote: It would be nice if someone 'official' (ala TDF) could post the CVE-2012-0037 notice on both the user and announce lists. It is now reported on the blog post. Well just how many users are subscribed

Re: [tdf-discuss] MS Outlook?

2012-02-15 Thread Robert Derman
Olav Dahlum wrote: 2012/2/15 Shawn Sumin shawn.su...@gmail.com Will LibreOffice ever have a similar program like MS Outlook? i.e. Calendar, Tasks, Contacts and Mail The components was thrown out of StarOffice in its time, so putting them back won't be feasible. But as other people

Re: [tdf-discuss] The Floppy icon and meritocracy

2012-02-09 Thread Robert Derman
yahoo-pier_andreit wrote: On 08/02/12 10:54, Pedro wrote: Hi all I just read the UX thread/sequence of emails where it was decided that the universal Save icon (in any program, any OS) represented by a floppy disk would be replaced by another icon. I'm shocked that a Discuss topic where 54

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: IBM is alive ;)

2012-02-07 Thread Robert Derman
donald_harbi...@us.ibm.com wrote: Pedro, My mistake then. I didn't read deeply enough into the thread. I still submit that none of these open source projects and their products compete in the sense of meaningful market share. With MS-Office dominating so thoroughly the only thing that makes

Re: [tdf-discuss] LibOCon proposals

2012-01-24 Thread Robert Derman
Florian Effenberger wrote: Hi, Olivier Hallot wrote on 2012-01-24 15:48: Voting is a measure of traceable membership participation/activity. Otherwise we can get spammed on untraceable votes to send us where we don't want LibCon to happen. by that, we would exclude a large amount of

Re: [tdf-discuss] LibOCon proposals

2012-01-23 Thread Robert Derman
Florian Effenberger wrote: Hello, we have received two proposals for this years' LibreOffice Conference - thank you very much for your applications! My proposal for the voting process is as follows: - I would like to make the proposals public immediately, by uploading them to the wiki, and

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: [libo-marketing-priv] Can we replace Floppy Disk

2012-01-06 Thread Robert Derman
1920...@googlemail.com wrote: On 4 January 2012 13:46, Michael Meeks michael.me...@suse.com wrote: Trivial to do; and the UX people I've talked to ask to do it. All we need is for someone to submit a patch we can merge that has the updated tango icons overwriting the save / saveas

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Can we replace Floppy Disk

2011-12-30 Thread Robert Derman
M Robinson wrote: SNIP I haven't heard of Delete/Eraser that works as well on SSDs as traditional hard drives. That said USB will be the most common storage media soon enough. Who saves to CDs at work? I don't think the icon is a big deal, the whole interface is dated, I pitched a Firefox

Re: [tdf-discuss] Standalone PDF

2011-12-02 Thread Robert Derman
Paul wrote: Does Libre office have a stand alone PDF application? ie - does Libre provide the PDF editor by itself without all the other features in the 200 MB download - is it possible to install only the PDF tool without all the other features ? All responses appreciated. Thanks, Paula

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Is Microsoft getting worried about free Office suites?

2011-11-28 Thread Robert Derman
Olav Dahlum wrote: On 28/11/11 13:13, Pedro wrote: Ian Lynch wrote Google should do a version of Office based on the OOo/LibO code base and embed ads and search links, make it available freely and brand it Google Office. Given their brand strength and marketing, that would probably do

Re: [tdf-discuss] official forums

2011-11-12 Thread Robert Derman
Florian Effenberger wrote: Hello, thanks a lot to everyone for their great and creative contribution to the discussion, which I consider really fruitful. Even if I didn't reply to every message, I read them all. It is already rather clear, that there is a real overwhelming support for

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Gmane sending issues

2011-08-01 Thread Robert Derman
Ken Springer wrote: Hi, Larry,On 7/31/11 2:28 PM, Larry Gusaas wrote:Please fix your quote attribution. It is almost impossible to pick out your comments in this mess.I would if I knew how And *if* it was easy to do for just the LO messages. I'm not happy with the way TB 5.0

Re: [tdf-discuss] ignore m$ legacy?

2011-07-21 Thread Robert Derman
Andy Brown wrote: Robert Derman wrote: Andrea Pescetti wrote: e-letter wrote: It is difficult to understand why a business would waste time trying to use LO; if a customer uses m$, the supplier might as well do so also and consider the m$ price as a cost of conducting

Re: [tdf-discuss] ignore m$ legacy?

2011-07-20 Thread Robert Derman
Andrea Pescetti wrote: e-letter wrote: It is difficult to understand why a business would waste time trying to use LO; if a customer uses m$, the supplier might as well do so also and consider the m$ price as a cost of conducting business. I've seen plenty of small, medium and large

Re: [tdf-discuss] Feature Request: Mac Osx Lion

2011-07-17 Thread Robert Derman
Laurence Jeloudev wrote: Hi, I was wondering if Libreoffice would implement an auto save feature in os x lion and full screen app support, or maybe an auto save feature that is similar but it can also be Implemented in other operating systems like ubuntu or windows where the user does not have

Re: [tdf-discuss] New LibreOffice Reader Eliminates Need for PDF Reader

2011-07-06 Thread Robert Derman
Ian Lynch wrote: On 5 July 2011 21:58, Robert Derman robert.der...@pressenter.com wrote: e-letter wrote: As far as the request for the ability to download individual components of LO, this should not be enabled. The whole concept of the predecessor staroffice product was to provide

Re: [tdf-discuss] New LibreOffice Reader Eliminates Need for PDF Reader

2011-07-05 Thread Robert Derman
e-letter wrote: As far as the request for the ability to download individual components of LO, this should not be enabled. The whole concept of the predecessor staroffice product was to provide various functionalities in terms of word-processing, spreadsheets, drawing, etc. and this should be

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: New LibreOffice Reader Eliminates Need for PDF Reader

2011-07-04 Thread Robert Derman
NoOp wrote: On 06/25/2011 03:37 PM, Alexandro Colorado wrote: On Sat, Jun 25, 2011 at 7:37 AM, Simon Phipps si...@webmink.com wrote: On 25 Jun 2011, at 08:33, Ian Lynch wrote: Manfred wrote: I still believe that PDF is the best solution to distribute final versions

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: New LibreOffice Reader Eliminates Need for PDF Reader

2011-07-04 Thread Robert Derman
Simon Cropper wrote: On 05/07/11 09:07, Robert Derman wrote: NoOp wrote: On 06/25/2011 03:37 PM, Alexandro Colorado wrote: On Sat, Jun 25, 2011 at 7:37 AM, Simon Phipps si...@webmink.com wrote: On 25 Jun 2011, at 08:33, Ian Lynch wrote: Manfred wrote: I still believe that PDF

Re: [tdf-discuss] New LibreOffice Reader Eliminates Need for PDF Reader

2011-07-03 Thread Robert Derman
Ian Lynch wrote: On 2 July 2011 23:22, Robert Derman robert.der...@pressenter.com wrote: Keith Curtis wrote: The problem with building a reader is that it would be about the same size as LibreOffice. OpenDocument is very different from PDF. For those who can't install LO

Re: [tdf-discuss] New LibreOffice Reader Eliminates Need for PDF Reader

2011-07-02 Thread Robert Derman
Keith Curtis wrote: The problem with building a reader is that it would be about the same size as LibreOffice. OpenDocument is very different from PDF. For those who can't install LO, they probably can't install the reader either. Perhaps separating the modules of LO so that users could

Re: [tdf-discuss] New LibreOffice Reader Eliminates Need for PDF Reader

2011-06-26 Thread Robert Derman
Sean White wrote: I dont thinks thats normal somehow, i have been using Adobe Reader for years and have NEVER had it come past 200MB. Back to discussion, what's with all the PDF hate. Actually I don't hate PDF, I use it frequently and as such I am glad that OOo and LO have the capability of

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: ANN: ODF 1.2 Candidate OASIS Standard Enters 60-Day Public Review, prerequisite for balloting as OASIS Standard

2011-06-26 Thread Robert Derman
Jesper Lund Stocholm wrote: Hi Robert, 2011/6/25 Robert Derman robert.der...@pressenter.com: This could eventually destroy ODF as a viable world standard if at some point some software company or organization comes up with a popular program (example Microsoft) that embeds fonts so

Re: [tdf-discuss] New LibreOffice Reader Eliminates Need for PDF Reader

2011-06-26 Thread Robert Derman
to click on a sub file and then go up to the folder you want. -Original Message- From: Robert Derman [mailto:robert.der...@pressenter.com] Sent: Sunday, June 26, 2011 11:55 To: discuss@documentfoundation.org Subject: Re: [tdf-discuss] New LibreOffice Reader Eliminates Need for PDF

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Font Embedding in ODF (was RE: ANN: ODF 1.2 Candidate OASIS Standard Enters 60-Day Public Review)

2011-06-26 Thread Robert Derman
Charles-H. Schulz wrote: Le Sun, 26 Jun 2011 09:41:07 -0700 (PDT), plino pedl...@gmail.com a écrit : Charles-H. Schulz wrote: Now, as for humility, claiming in an assured and definitive way that ODF will lose if it does not embed fonts is not exactly humble either. I didn't

Re: [tdf-discuss] New LibreOffice Reader Eliminates Need for PDF Reader

2011-06-25 Thread Robert Derman
in the right direction again in the transition from reader 9 to reader 10, and dumping some unnecessary crap. -Original Message- From: Robert Derman [mailto:robert.der...@pressenter.com] Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2011 21:24 To: discuss@documentfoundation.org Subject: Re: [tdf-discuss] New

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Font Embedding in ODF

2011-06-25 Thread Robert Derman
Nuno J. Silva wrote: On 2011-06-25, Andrew Douglas Pitonyak wrote: On 06/25/2011 02:09 PM, Nuno J. Silva wrote: I see font embedding as a way to make interoperation easier, and not to achieve faithful representation. I think a major goal is to have ODF being used on several

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: ANN: ODF 1.2 Candidate OASIS Standard Enters 60-Day Public Review, prerequisite for balloting as OASIS Standard

2011-06-25 Thread Robert Derman
Marc Paré wrote: Le 2011-06-24 18:01, Nuno J. Silva a écrit : On 2011-06-24, Marc Paré wrote: Le 2011-06-24 13:13, Charles-H. Schulz a écrit : Hello, Le Fri, 24 Jun 2011 07:48:54 -0700 (PDT), plinopedl...@gmail.com a écrit : I really hope that revision 1.2 allows for font embedding in

Re: [tdf-discuss] New LibreOffice Reader Eliminates Need for PDF Reader

2011-06-24 Thread Robert Derman
On 24/06/2011 03:59, Marc Paré wrote: The initial use of the LibreOffice Reader would be just a plain reader, the challenge after this would be to try to build as much document fidelity into it as possible. Again, with the hopes to rival .pdf fidelity. Maybe once all the devs put their heads

Re: [tdf-discuss] When can we have a API to send Emails ?

2011-06-24 Thread Robert Derman
Fernand Vanrie wrote: Cor , I know all this tricks, but its still sending as attachments , i want a simple way to send a email with a message in the body Thanks Fernand I would like this also, the auto corrector of LO makes it much faster to write emails than T-Bird or any other email

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: ANN: ODF 1.2 Candidate OASIS Standard Enters 60-Day Public Review, prerequisite for balloting as OASIS Standard

2011-06-24 Thread Robert Derman
plino wrote: Charles-H. Schulz wrote: So, let me state and restate this : ODF will not embed fonts in the 1.2, 1.3, nor in the future, because the format is not meant to focus on faithful layout rendering. Instead, PDF is meant that. ODF focuses on office document exchanges. As long as

Re: [tdf-discuss] Sponsored Bug Repair ?

2011-06-23 Thread Robert Derman
Cor Nouws wrote: Hi Samuel, Samuel M wrote (23-06-11 17:06) Why should'nt TDF go ahead and employ one of the former OOo developers or someone else from the community? I think there would be much interest from users and companys to pay for fixing bugs / implementing new features. Employing

Re: [tdf-discuss] New LibreOffice Reader Eliminates Need for PDF Reader

2011-06-23 Thread Robert Derman
Simon Phipps wrote: On 23 Jun 2011, at 23:32, Marc Paré wrote: I think it was mentioned that there were at one point over 100 million LibreOffice/OOo users. If we were to develop our own LibreOffice Reader we would already have 100 million potential users for our product. Not only that,

Re: [tdf-discuss] New LibreOffice Reader Eliminates Need for PDF Reader

2011-06-23 Thread Robert Derman
Varun Mittal wrote: I personally feel we have more important set of priorities than diversifying right now into PDF reader. Also no point inventing the wheel again when there are several open source pdf readers available which we can integrate instead of developing one of our own. I am

Re: Availability of source code (Was: Re: OFF TOPIC about GPL enforcement (Was: Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: [Libreoffice] Proposal to join Apache OpenOffice))

2011-06-18 Thread Robert Derman
Simos Xenitellis wrote: On Sat, Jun 18, 2011 at 1:30 AM, Dennis E. Hamilton dennis.hamil...@acm.org wrote: Ignoring the repetition on who is entitled to source code and how they are told about it, I would like to know the answers to some very specific, tangible matters closer to home. My

Re: [tdf-discuss] Replacing OpenOffice.org with LibreOffice much easier than expected.

2011-06-18 Thread Robert Derman
I have a few observations to make, as to future changes/improvements. I for one am very reluctant to frequently upgrade any major software application that must be downloaded and replaced in its entirety, particularly if there is not a published list of the improvements in the new

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: [Libreoffice] Proposal to join Apache OpenOffice

2011-06-16 Thread Robert Derman
Augustine Souza wrote: On 6/15/11, Allen Pulsifer pulsi...@openoffice.org wrote: ... End users do not care about who's right, who's wrong, who's been slighted, who is more pure, etc. They just care about products and technologies that are going to meet their needs. Painting quite a

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: [Libreoffice] Proposal to join Apache OpenOffice

2011-06-16 Thread Robert Derman
Greg Stein wrote: On Thu, Jun 16, 2011 at 13:40, Pieter E. Zanstra pie...@zanstra.eu wrote: As an interested user I see a lot of noise passing by on this topic. I must say I am totally unimpressed. What counts for me is reality, not dreaming in the cloud. I was used to getting no response

Re: [tdf-discuss] First TDF Advisory Board members demonstrate wide corporate support for LibreOffice

2011-06-15 Thread Robert Derman
Florian Effenberger wrote: First TDF Advisory Board members demonstrate wide corporate support for LibreOffice Strong backing for a truly free and vendor-neutral office suite The Document Foundation provides solid grounds to build upon The Document Foundation today announced the first members

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: [Libreoffice] Proposal to join Apache OpenOffice

2011-06-09 Thread Robert Derman
Simon Brouwer wrote: Op 9-6-2011 16:32, Simon Phipps schreef: On 9 Jun 2011, at 12:12, Simon Brouwer wrote: Hi Jim, all, Jim Jagielski schreef: On Jun 8, 2011, at 5:53 PM, Simon Phipps wrote: On 8 Jun 2011, at 23:49, Jim Jagielski wrote: On Jun 8, 2011, at 5:07 PM, Simon Brouwer wrote:

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: [Libreoffice] Proposal to join Apache OpenOffice

2011-06-09 Thread Robert Derman
Volker Merschmann wrote: Hi, 2011/6/9 Simon Brouwer simon.o...@xs4all.nl: Suppose Oracle had considered donating the OpenOffice.org trademarks and copyrights to TDF. How could it be the recipient of such a donation if it didn't exist as a legal entity? I'm feeling it's the hundredth

Re: [tdf-discuss] How Close Is TDF...?

2011-06-07 Thread Robert Derman
Italo Vignoli wrote: On 6/7/11 3:21 PM, Jim Jagielski wrote: I agree... My going over it was simply to indicate areas which I *think* (again, I have no idea, nor do a *want* to know) may have been reasons Oracle declined, since that seems a point that people are extremely curious about.

Re: [tdf-discuss] Questions from the sidelines.

2011-06-06 Thread Robert Derman
Andy Brown wrote: I seem to be really missing something in all this talk about the transfer of OOo. 1: What would TDF do with the code? At this point in time LibO is way ahead of OOo in features and code clean up, from the patches flying in the dev list. 2: What would TDF do with the

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Proposal to join Apache OpenOffice

2011-06-05 Thread Robert Derman
Marc Paré wrote: Ahem .., or we could just ignore our ASF lurkers, keep working on our great product, let OOo go unsupported and gather dust as it was in Oracle's hands. We have a truly community oriented and supported product with great licenses as opposed to a restrictive ASF product. We

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: LibreOffice Hackfest in Munich

2011-05-27 Thread Robert Derman
Thorsten Behrens wrote: Florian Effenberger wrote: Thanks for announcing this. Maybe we should also know if you have to be there in person or can you participate remotely? the event is planned on-site. Maybe we can get some remote connection involved, but primarily, it is for hacking

Re: [tdf-discuss] Digestmails answers with quotes not possible?

2011-05-21 Thread Robert Derman
Friedrich Strohmaier wrote: Hi all, especially those of You receiving mails as digest are requested to report. Some people reported not beeing able getting text of the mail to be quoted in the Editor area. e-letter reported this for gmail,

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Any wikipedia members/contributors here?

2011-05-21 Thread Robert Derman
NoOp wrote: On 05/19/2011 05:18 PM, NoOp wrote: If you are a wikipedia member/contributor, perhaps you can have a look at: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_OpenDocument_software No mention of LibreOffice. Appearantly that is no longer the case. It is promanently mentioned as of

Re: [tdf-discuss] The need of a central employment-office-like web structure for TDF/LibO volunteers

2011-05-15 Thread Robert Derman
sophie wrote: Gianluca, On 15/05/2011 11:44, Gianluca Turconi wrote: Hi Sophie, sophie wrote: the system could be a bug tracker with a less technical UI than BZ, but I think a wiki with a good template could be enough. Why do you say dispersive? Because you have to navigate *a lot* through

Re: [tdf-discuss] LibreOffice Math: There is no

2011-05-04 Thread Robert Derman
Olivier Hallot wrote: Em 04-05-2011 13:11, M Henri Day escreveu: 2011/5/4 Olivier Hallotolivier.hal...@documentfoundation.org Thanks Mike for the tip As I see, this character U+2204, does not exist in Opensymbol font, used by Math by default. At least not in the displayed characters of

Re: [tdf-discuss] Forums... again

2011-04-24 Thread Robert Derman
snip And I found another couple of similarly completely uncategorized forums. The forums at http://user.services.openoffice.org/en/forum/ look much more promising, but are not these two products expected to diverge more and more? In my understanding LibreOffice is a new project that

Re: [tdf-discuss] European Commitee enter talks with MS licences, Please make your action today against it.

2011-04-24 Thread Robert Derman
Jon Hamkins wrote: On 04/22/2011 05:33 PM, Christian Lohmaier wrote: Hi *, On Fri, Apr 22, 2011 at 5:40 AM, Jon Hamkinshamk...@alumni.caltech.edu wrote: On 04/06/2011 04:54 AM, toki wrote: There are roughly one billion words in the English language. You could have a LibO spell checker

Re: [tdf-discuss] Forums... again

2011-04-24 Thread Robert Derman
Jaime R. Garza wrote: I have some doubts as to whether the two products will diverge now that Oracle has decided to end its involvement with OpenOffice.org . I suspect that at some point rather than let OOo just whither and die it will merge with The Document Foundation and the

Re: [tdf-discuss] European Commitee enter talks with MS licences, Please make your action today against it.

2011-04-24 Thread Robert Derman
Jon Hamkins wrote: On 04/24/2011 01:36 PM, Robert Derman wrote: I have said this a number of times, and that at least the English version is sadly deficient in compound words, at least the one in OOo 3.11 which I am still using because I am reluctant to give up the personal dictionary to which

Re: [tdf-discuss] European Commitee enter talks with MS licences, Please make your action today against it.

2011-04-05 Thread Robert Derman
hardware expert, but not a software expert, at least no more than most end users, but perhaps this is something where someone like me might just be able to help. Robert Derman -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more

Re: [tdf-discuss] Calc usability issue (autocorrect of small letter to capital letter)

2011-03-08 Thread Robert Derman
Kevin André wrote: Calc seems to autocorrect a small letter to a capital letter after a dot character. But a dot character does not always mean the end of a sentence; in this case it was used for an abbreviation. And sadly there is no way to undo a wrong autocorrection: pressing undo will revert

Re: [tdf-discuss] Need for more compound words for spellcheck dictionary.

2011-03-02 Thread Robert Derman
://wiki.documentfoundation.org/UserProfile 2011/2/20 Robert Derman robert.der...@pressenter.com: One of the reasons, perhaps the main reason I have not upgraded to LO from OpenOffice 3.1 yet is that I dread having to go through the process of adding over a thousand compound words to the spellcheck

Re: RE : Re: [tdf-discuss] Strange OpenOffice Email from a new universe

2011-02-26 Thread Robert Derman
Charles-H. Schulz wrote: You can copy and paste it here,of course :-) That would be good, since I would like to see it too. Charles. Le 26 févr. 2011, 5:25 PM, Howard Barr how...@weceikaiwa.com a écrit : On 27/02/2011 00:54, Italo Vignoli wrote: Any chance of getting a copy of such

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Mac App Store - or else ?

2011-02-23 Thread Robert Derman
Jonathan Aquilina wrote: On 2/23/11 12:25 AM, Valter Mura wrote: In data giovedì 13 gennaio 2011 22:53:59, Fabián Rodríguez ha scritto: On 11-01-12 11:35 AM, Larry Gusaas wrote: On 2011/01/12 8:49 AM Mirek M. wrote: 2011/1/12 Jonathan Aquilinaeagles051...@gmail.com Why not license it

[tdf-discuss] Need for more compound words for spellcheck dictionary.

2011-02-20 Thread Robert Derman
One of the reasons, perhaps the main reason I have not upgraded to LO from OpenOffice 3.1 yet is that I dread having to go through the process of adding over a thousand compound words to the spellcheck dictionary. This dictionary has almost NO compound words in it! Does anyone know if this

Re: [tdf-discuss] OpenOffice.org articles in Linux Format March 2011

2011-02-13 Thread Robert Derman
adept techlists - kazar wrote: On 2/12/11 2:04 PM, Robert Derman wrote: Just so you all know, 4 GB of DDR3 RAM can now be purchased for $36. on the internet. In historical terms, that is indeed dirt cheap. My point here is that any new computers being built are unlikely to have less than 2

Re: [tdf-discuss] OpenOffice.org articles in Linux Format March 2011

2011-02-12 Thread Robert Derman
Kevin Hunter wrote: At 4:09pm -0500 Fri, 11 Feb 2011, Charles Marcus wrote: On 2011-02-11 3:35 PM, Kevin Hunter wrote: How the quickstarter works is have use gobs of memory effectively sitting idle. That doesn't work. Many of us in the computing, engineering, physics, and chemical fields *use*

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Suppression of Blank Lines in Addresses in Labels and Envelopes from Data Base

2011-02-09 Thread Robert Derman
Alan Reeve wrote: On 09/02/2011 12:05, Charles Marcus wrote: On 2011-02-09 6:12 AM, Alexander Thurgood wrote: As to your bug correction request, you would be better off filing a bug report at freedesktop.org, which is where TDF has decided that all such reports should be filed, or even better

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Computer Magazine cover CDs

2011-02-09 Thread Robert Derman
Alexander Thurgood wrote: Le 09/02/11 16:31, Jonathan Aquilina a écrit : Alex there is an article regarding the 20 things about OOo which could be improved if someone has a subscription to linuxformat.co.uk they could download the pd of the article. it would be a great one to follow and make

Re: [tdf-discuss] [libreoffice-website] [Forum] How will the forum be organized?

2011-01-18 Thread Robert Derman
Michael Wheatland wrote: On Mon, Jan 17, 2011 at 11:59 PM, Charles Marcus cmar...@media-brokers.com wrote: Case in point - Michael's work on Drupal would have provided integrated mail list forums nabble so that any user could use their tool of choice, and all would be interconnected, not

Re: [tdf-discuss] Co-working with Moz, etc

2011-01-02 Thread Robert Derman
Jonathan Aquilina wrote: besides email people want a calendar as well as a to do list as well functionality wise, which Thunderbird seems to lack. On 1/1/11 8:36 PM, Lee Hyde wrote: On 01/01/11 19:20, Craig A. Eddy wrote: So, what am I saying? You don't NEED to add something useless like

Re: [tdf-discuss] Co-working with Moz, etc

2011-01-02 Thread Robert Derman
Ian Lynch wrote: On 1 January 2011 18:43, Jonathan Aquilina eagles051...@gmail.com wrote: Whats really held OOo and will hold LO back is the lack of an equivalent program such as outlook. Why waste time and effort on this when there are other perfectly valid alternatives?

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Name Change for LibreOffice Applications

2010-12-20 Thread Robert Derman
Samuel Mehrbrodt wrote: I think it's good to change the names of the Applications so that they describe what each application does. LibreOffice is the brand which will be known and names of the applications should help to find the application you want to use. I would also suggest to translate

Re: [tdf-discuss] [Change executable names] Re: Digest of discuss@documentfoundation.org issue 127 (3742-3762)

2010-12-18 Thread Robert Derman
NoOp wrote: On 12/17/2010 05:53 AM, Jaime R. Garza wrote: As many others already commented, I believe it's time that LibreOffice changes the names of some of the individual applications, my humble proposal: Write Spread Present Draw Formula Base This is critical when attempting to

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Name Change for LibreOffice Applications

2010-12-15 Thread Robert Derman
Charles Marcus wrote: On 2010-12-14 9:38 AM, Marc Paré wrote: The thread is discussing the possibility of name changes to some of the modules: Writer, Impress, Calc, Draw, Base, Math. I don't think they are suggesting a name change for LibreOffice in this case. Oh, ok, good... sorry

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: A better idea for a download package.

2010-12-02 Thread Robert Derman
NoOp wrote: On 11/30/2010 02:43 AM, plino wrote: The point here is that OOo has a small installer with 140Mb (no Java, and only English, Spanish and French dictionaries). Why is LO going in the opposite direction with 299 and 466Mb??? The current packages (including in the smallest option

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: A better idea for a download package.

2010-11-30 Thread Robert Derman
NoOp wrote: On 11/26/2010 12:16 PM, Robert Derman wrote: Marc Paré wrote: ... Of these two options, I would prefer being offered the menu AFTER having downloaded the LO suite. The reason for this: some users may find that downloading the suite took a longer than the anticipated

Re: [tdf-discuss] Survey: Usage of LibreOffice components

2010-11-28 Thread Robert Derman
Robert Holtzman wrote: On Sun, Nov 28, 2010 at 01:30:32PM -0600, Robert Derman wrote: ...snip I use Writer a minimum of 1 hour every day, weekends included, probably an average of 3 hours a day. I don't use any of the other components at all. As far as I

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: A better idea for a download package.

2010-11-27 Thread Robert Derman
Marc Paré wrote: Le 2010-11-26 15:16, Robert Derman a écrit : Marc Paré wrote: Le 2010-11-25 14:44, Robert Derman a écrit : With all the discussion of the size of the download package and the difficulty of including things like manuals I suddenly realized that perhaps we are going about

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: A better idea for a download package.

2010-11-26 Thread Robert Derman
Marc Paré wrote: Le 2010-11-25 14:44, Robert Derman a écrit : With all the discussion of the size of the download package and the difficulty of including things like manuals I suddenly realized that perhaps we are going about this thing entirely wrong! Perhaps what we should do is offer

Re: [tdf-discuss] A better idea for a download package.

2010-11-25 Thread Robert Derman
With all the discussion of the size of the download package and the difficulty of including things like manuals I suddenly realized that perhaps we are going about this thing entirely wrong! Perhaps what we should do is offer a CHOICE of several download packages, not just one take it or

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: A proposal for effective, volunteer-friendly user support in LibreOffice

2010-11-23 Thread Robert Derman
Marc Paré wrote: Le 2010-11-23 15:36, Robert Derman a écrit : I have said this in the OOo discuss list, and I think it bears repeating here. One of the biggest problems causing the need for users especially new ones to need help is the lack of a good users manual. The OOo documentation site

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: A proposal for effective, volunteer-friendly user support in LibreOffice

2010-11-23 Thread Robert Derman
Andy Brown wrote: On Tue Nov 23 2010 12:36:35 GMT-0800 (PST) Robert Derman wrote: Assuming that it is, I think the primary users manual should focus on Writer, with just one chapter on each of the other modules, and a pointer to where to download a more extensive manual on each. Where I

Re: [tdf-discuss] Version Numbers?

2010-11-22 Thread Robert Derman
jonathon wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 11/21/2010 09:15 PM, James Wilde wrote: ...and? Is LibO going to upgrade the version number every time OOo does? And only then? Unless there is a compatibility tag for extensions, the way that there is for firefox,

Re: [tdf-discuss] Version Numbers?

2010-11-19 Thread Robert Derman
Sean White wrote: As a concerned user, if LibreOffice is meant a independent office project derived from the OpenOffice code then why do we still use their version numbering system. Wouldn't it be better to start from 1 to reinforce in peoples minds that we are a separate project. I couldn't

Re: [tdf-discuss] Suggestion to expand user base: enable screenplay formatting with LibreOffice

2010-11-14 Thread Robert Derman
Alan C. Baird wrote: Proposal for significantly enlarging LibreOffice's user base with Screenwright(R) 14 November 2010 by Alan C. Baird, prizewinning writer and creator of the Screenwright(R) screenplay formatter [winner of the Sun/OOo CIP award] http://w.9TimeZones.com/avails.htm

Re: [tdf-discuss] Updates overwriting User settings

2010-11-12 Thread Robert Derman
jonathon wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 11/11/2010 09:15 PM, Robert Derman wrote: I have had to enter well over 1000 compound words into the dictionary, If you did that as a user-created dictionary, it should be in /user/3/wordbook, and as such, can

Re: [tdf-discuss] Updates overwriting User settings

2010-11-11 Thread Robert Derman
frazelle09 wrote: i don't know if this is the correct forum for this but -- well first of all -- good luck to all those who are participating and developing and helping! This project needs to be a success! And, we are using PCLinuxOS 2010 and they are using GOoo to install OOo. i understand

Re: [tdf-discuss] Clear separation between frontend and backend?

2010-11-06 Thread Robert Derman
Lee Hyde wrote: Greetings All, I'm just a humble end user, and frankly I have little-to-no knowledge of software development but I was wondering whether there is a clear separation between frontend and backend with LibreOffice. Such that it would make it easy to essentially 'slot-in' a

Re: [tdf-discuss] LibreOffice UI should be tweaked, not reinvented

2010-11-04 Thread Robert Derman
Sebastian Spaeth wrote: On Wed, 3 Nov 2010 20:55:19 +0100, Johannes Bausch wrote: things concerning tables. We absolutely HAVE to make the user use the stylesheet stuff, and it must be so easy that they start to use it on one-paged documents. Removing the font chooser, and font-size

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: x86_64 Windows build

2010-11-04 Thread Robert Derman
e-letter wrote: In terms of priorities, making LO the default for mobile (e.g. android) is more important than windoze. How quickly things change in the world of electronics. It wasn't that long ago, that phones were one thing, and computers quite another. -- Unsubscribe instructions:

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: x86_64 Windows build

2010-11-04 Thread Robert Derman
Robert Derman wrote: Peter Rodwell wrote: Quoting T. J. Brumfield: However, in developing countries Android tablets may be the most accessible and affordable computing platform of the future. It shouldn't be ignored. Agreed -- it certainly shouldn't be ignored, I just think that giving

Re: [tdf-discuss] Old Bugs

2010-11-02 Thread Robert Derman
T. J. Brumfield wrote: There were several old, often commented on, and often requested bug fixes and features that didn't receive much attention or weren't resolved with OOo over the years. For those who may not be aware of the reasons for the shift/fork, or for those who don't care about

Re: [tdf-discuss] Old Bugs

2010-11-02 Thread Robert Derman
Peter Rodwell wrote: I have only today joined this discussion so I don't know whether this has already been discussed or not. There are two reasons why I have just paid money to upgrade to Office 2010 instead of switching to OO/LO: 1. Complete file compatibility. I frequently handle

Re: [tdf-discuss] Accessibility (was Java dependency)

2010-11-02 Thread Robert Derman
T. J. Brumfield wrote: I'm moving this into another thread. Jonathon suggested that LibO fails at accesibility requirements. Doing a few quick Google searches, it seems that OOo and thusly LibO uses the Java Accessibility API to enable the use of screen readers and braille devices. This is

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Compiling in Windows

2010-10-31 Thread Robert Derman
plino wrote: All the developers agree that we should use open source compilers, and this will happen. But it's not ready for production yet, so probably the next few versions for Windows will still be using the Microsoft compilers. It depends on how many people volunteer to work on that.

Re: [tdf-discuss] UI proposal

2010-10-30 Thread Robert Derman
Carlos Martinez wrote: Robert Derman skrev 2010-10-29 21:59: Jussi Silvonen wrote: 2010/10/29 RGB ES rgb.m...@gmail.com Writer have a good tradition of tools that helps the build of complex documents (styles, styles and more styles!). What I would like to see instead of more direct

Re: [tdf-discuss] UI proposal

2010-10-29 Thread Robert Derman
Jussi Silvonen wrote: 2010/10/29 RGB ES rgb.m...@gmail.com Writer have a good tradition of tools that helps the build of complex documents (styles, styles and more styles!). What I would like to see instead of more direct formatting tools, is a redesign of the way styles are defined to easy