Re: [tdf-discuss] New name

2010-10-06 Thread Gianluca Turconi
In data 06 ottobre 2010 alle ore 08:39:47, Gianluca Turconi gianl...@letturefantastiche.com ha scritto: I'm subscribed to that list, but I haven't seen any news. Nor that list is listed on TDF main website. Errata corrige: it's listed under Contact but not under LibreOffice section. --

Re: [tdf-discuss] New name

2010-10-06 Thread Andre Schnabel
Hi, Von: Gianluca Turconi gianl...@letturefantastiche.com An: discuss@documentfoundation.org Can such new lists be announced in the announce list too? I'm subscribed to that list, but I haven't seen any news. whatever happened .. I sent it to announce:

Re: [tdf-discuss] New name

2010-10-05 Thread Graham Lauder
And now I have to eat humble pie and apologise profusely. I did a search back over the marketing list and the announcement is there on the 28th posted by Varun. I don't know how I missed it and now I feel like such an idiot Thorsten, Charles and Christoph, please accept abject apologies. I

Re: [tdf-discuss] New name

2010-10-05 Thread Valter Mura
In data sabato 2 ottobre 2010 19:00:20, Italo Vignoli ha scritto: Gianluca Turconi wrote: Was the Office suffix a mandatory requirement for marketing reasons? Of course not, but most of the people involved in the project since the first day felt that office was stressing the continuity

Re: [tdf-discuss] New name

2010-10-05 Thread Italo Vignoli
Valter Mura wrote: Those that were in the loop are part of the group of founding members: there has not been any deliberate process for bringing in friends. We have all earned - if I can use this term - the right to belong to the group based on merit and contribution. I agree with you

Re: [tdf-discuss] New name

2010-10-05 Thread Charles Marcus
On 2010-10-05 10:15 AM, Marc Paré wrote: Seriously, it is cute, catchy and fluffy! It looks like it will be adopted by everyone just be the sheer fact of usage or common practice. LibO (a.k.a LibreOffice) Too bad none of the main libo domains (I checked .com/org) are available. .. -- Best

Re: [tdf-discuss] New name

2010-10-05 Thread Christoph Noack
Hi Andy! Am Montag, den 04.10.2010, 17:03 -0700 schrieb Andy Brown: On Mon Oct 04 2010 16:29:37 GMT-0700 (PDT) Christoph Noack wrote: Am Montag, den 04.10.2010, 16:10 -0700 schrieb Andy Brown: On Mon Oct 04 2010 15:12:06 GMT-0700 (PDT) Christoph Noack wrote: Martin, from Oracle, was

Re: [tdf-discuss] New name

2010-10-05 Thread Christoph Noack
Good evening Graham! Am Dienstag, den 05.10.2010, 19:24 +1300 schrieb Graham Lauder: Thorsten, Charles and Christoph, please accept abject apologies. I shall now go hide in a hole somewheres. Oh, please do not :-) I owe you a lot of respect to state this here, really. Vice versa, please

Re: [tdf-discuss] New name

2010-10-05 Thread Valter Mura
In data martedì 5 ottobre 2010 18:04:26, Italo Vignoli ha scritto: --cut-- You know, OOo is really huge, and TDF will not be a foundation like many others, because it will be a baby with the size of an adult. What I can suggest at the moment is to watch carefully the progress, and jump on

Re: [tdf-discuss] New name

2010-10-05 Thread Andy Brown
On Tue Oct 05 2010 14:10:26 GMT-0700 (PDT) Christoph Noack wrote: Hi Andy! Am Montag, den 04.10.2010, 17:03 -0700 schrieb Andy Brown: On Mon Oct 04 2010 16:29:37 GMT-0700 (PDT) Christoph Noack wrote: Am Montag, den 04.10.2010, 16:10 -0700 schrieb Andy Brown: On Mon Oct 04 2010 15:12:06

Re: [tdf-discuss] New name

2010-10-05 Thread Christoph Noack
Hi Friedrich, hi Andy! Am Dienstag, den 05.10.2010, 23:55 +0200 schrieb Friedrich Strohmaier: Indeed :-) But then we have to ask Graham, whether he is so kind to tell us where to find Martin's mail. I think Andy expects - like I do - that Oracle one of the big companies worldwide is able

Re: [tdf-discuss] New name

2010-10-05 Thread Jean Hollis Weber
On Tue, 2010-10-05 at 14:47 -0700, Andy Brown wrote: Just what I said, the message only repeats the same statement. Again no name or reference to where the full statement can be found. Who made the statement? What is their position at Oracle? Anyone can make a statement but how much

Re: [tdf-discuss] New name

2010-10-05 Thread Graham Lauder
Quoting Christoph Noack christoph.no...@documentfoundation.org: Good evening Graham! Am Dienstag, den 05.10.2010, 19:24 +1300 schrieb Graham Lauder: Thorsten, Charles and Christoph, please accept abject apologies. I shall now go hide in a hole somewheres. Oh, please do not :-) I owe you a

Re: [tdf-discuss] New name

2010-10-05 Thread Paul A Norman
For what it is worth -- my2c LibreOffice Very well expresses the concept of what is being achieved, from the development and adminsitratoin point of view. From an end users perspective ... Well, in International or other English, and possibly some other Germanic/Nordic languages, it is a bit

Re: [tdf-discuss] New name

2010-10-04 Thread James Wilde
As I understand it, most of the development team of OOo jumped ship to set up LibO in anticipation of Oracle making unacceptable changes to the OOo concept. I don't know how many they are, but I'd be surprised if they're over 30, and as far as I and most users are concerned, they own the

Re: [tdf-discuss] New name

2010-10-04 Thread Charles Marcus
On 2010-10-04 3:45 AM, James Wilde wrote: But the point is, the 30 or whatever developers have been planning this for some time. They didn't launch LibO after a beer last Friday, and they, for better or worse, chose LibreOffice as the name. We're never going to get nearer than 10%

Re: [tdf-discuss] New name

2010-10-04 Thread Graham Lauder
On Monday 04 Oct 2010 23:06:39 Italo Vignoli wrote: James Wilde wrote: As I understand it, most of the development team of OOo jumped ship to set up LibO in anticipation of Oracle making unacceptable changes to the OOo concept. I don't know how many they are, but I'd be surprised if

Re: [tdf-discuss] New name

2010-10-04 Thread Italo Vignoli
James Wilde wrote: As I understand it, most of the development team of OOo jumped ship to set up LibO in anticipation of Oracle making unacceptable changes to the OOo concept. I don't know how many they are, but I'd be surprised if they're over 30, and as far as I and most users are

Re: [tdf-discuss] New name

2010-10-04 Thread Thorsten Behrens
Graham Lauder wrote: We don't own anything. We have simply started the process, and we have tried to push it forward putting all our enthusiasm and energies behind i I'm sorry, if it's offlist, then for the majority of community members it 's secret. That may not seem that way to you, but

Re: [tdf-discuss] New name

2010-10-04 Thread Charles Marcus
On 2010-10-04 12:18 AM, Drew Jensen wrote: It seems that people at the conference made decisions that affected all of us an with not so much as a by your leave to most of us. Not sure who you mean by 'us', but the principles in the newly established organization that will become the Foundation

Re: [tdf-discuss] New name

2010-10-04 Thread Thorsten Behrens
Graham Lauder wrote: What info are you missing? Most I've probably worked out and that stuff I haven't, I made up using educated guesswork. Oracle made an interim response, do we have link to that somewhere. Martin, from Oracle, was linking to this article: http://tinyurl.com/36u3ksn

Re: [tdf-discuss] New name

2010-10-04 Thread Christoph Noack
Hi Jean! Thanks for pointing that out ... Am Dienstag, den 05.10.2010, 08:02 +1000 schrieb Jean Hollis Weber: On Mon, 2010-10-04 at 23:36 +0200, Thorsten Behrens wrote: Graham Lauder wrote: Oracle made an interim response, do we have link to that somewhere. Martin, from Oracle,

Re: [tdf-discuss] New name

2010-10-04 Thread jonathon
On 10/04/2010 10:41 AM, Graham Lauder wrote: I'm sorry, if it's offlist, then for the majority of community members it's secret. Anybody who has paid attention to OOo Project issues over the last decade, would have known that key developers, and other influential people in the OOo community

Re: [tdf-discuss] New name

2010-10-04 Thread jonathon
On 10/04/2010 03:43 PM, Carlos Rocha wrote: and the good, old, and beautiful OOo. Oracle has named their product Oracle OpenOffice, with the abbreviation of OOO. One consequence of that act is that Oracle has poisoned both the OOo and OpenOffice.org brand names. jonathon -- No human will see

Re: [tdf-discuss] New name

2010-10-04 Thread Ron House
It's unfortunate that this thread has morphed into a criticism of the key workers to whom we all owe so much. I posted earlier only in the spirit of contributing my opinion (which is based on thirty years of observation of project successes and failures) that the name chosen will be less

Re: [tdf-discuss] New name

2010-10-02 Thread James Wilde
On Oct 2, 2010, at 12:25 , Mirek M. wrote: Hi Christian, 2010/10/2 Christian Lohmaier lohmaier+ooofut...@googlemail.comlohmaier%2booofut...@googlemail.com Hi Mirek, *, On Sat, Oct 2, 2010 at 11:49 AM, Mirek M. maz...@gmail.com wrote: I'm really excited about the project, but I'm a bit

Re: [tdf-discuss] New name

2010-10-02 Thread Claus Agerskov
Hi all I don't like the name LibreOffice. But I don't think the time is right for a new name yet. The community behind the office suite have to be established both concerning the existing office suites based on OpenOffice.org - do they become a part of this or will the be on the sideline.

Re: [tdf-discuss] New name

2010-10-02 Thread Charles-H. Schulz
Hello all, I'm afraid that although we're still waiting for Oracle's position on the trademark, we already have had a full competition and vote on the name. And we also found out, that names are never a very consensual thing. So we'll stick to this one, unless Oracle agrees to give the

Re: [tdf-discuss] New name

2010-10-02 Thread Gianluca Turconi
In data 02 ottobre 2010 alle ore 15:18:15, Charles-H. Schulz charles.sch...@documentfoundation.org ha scritto: I'm afraid that although we're still waiting for Oracle's position on the trademark, we already have had a full competition and vote on the name. And we also found out, that names

Re: [tdf-discuss] New name

2010-10-02 Thread Andor J Kiss
I like the name a lot! Give me Liberty, or give me Death! or Vive la Liberté! I think it sums up my feelings towards the never-ending treadmill of buying new builds of M$ Office each year, or being at the mercy or Orkill (Oracle). - Andor On Sat, 2010-10-02 at 09:19 -0400, Gianluca Turconi

Re: [tdf-discuss] New name

2010-10-02 Thread Danishka Navin
I don't like the name LibreOffice. as an USER i wont take name as a BIG plus point. if we consider MS Office is a nice name but i wont fit for my requirements. FREEDOM Features HCI Stability Awareness Documentation Localization Support (including bug fixing) Add-ons/Extensions are the most

Re: [tdf-discuss] New name

2010-10-02 Thread Jesús Corrius
Hi all, Also a very difficult thing is to find a good name that is not already registered or trademarked as, unfortunately, most of the names are. I don't like LibreOffice either, but we went public with that name and I think the users will get confused if we change the name again. Just my five

Re: [tdf-discuss] New name

2010-10-02 Thread Gianluca Turconi
Il 02/10/2010 18.31, Italo Vignoli ha scritto: Many of them (I remember UniversalOffice and PureOffice, but many others, hundreds of them). The main problems were trademarks and domain names already registered somewhere in the world, which would generate problems. Was the Office suffix a

Re: [tdf-discuss] New name

2010-10-02 Thread Friedrich Strohmaier
Hi Mirek, *, Mirek M. schrieb: 2010/10/2 Christian Lohmaier lohmaier+ooofut...@googlemail.comlohmaier%2booofut...@googlemail.com On Sat, Oct 2, 2010 at 11:49 AM, Mirek M. maz...@gmail.com wrote: I'm really excited about the project, but I'm a bit concerned about the name. What concerns me is