from:"Alexandro Colorado"

On Mon, Mar 7, 2011 at 3:52 PM, Jaime R. Garza  wrote:

> Well the problem is that I'm not a programmer. :-(
>
> So I can't really make it by myself. :-(
>
> That's why I'm just giving my thoughts and opinions. Probably we could find
> a sponsor, the EU commission, for example, sponsors a lot of different
> projects, maybe we could make a proposal. The question is how many
> programmers will be willing to do this getting money from a sponsor? I could
> help making a proposal and so on, but I will not do this until programmers
> leading the development of LO give me a clear commitment.
>

Well this is open source, so the answer you most likely to get is: time and
money.

Limited resources means that if you pay the lead programmers to work idea,
you will halt the development libo since they will have to leave the current
projects to work on your idea.

The other scenario is that you get the money, hire your developers, build
the patch, and try to submit it. If the patch is not possible you can always
fork.

In other words, you don't need permission, feel free to do it any way you
can, and once built you can submit it for approval. Developers can't give u
an approval on something that doesn't exist which goes to my original
comment. Start by doing a proof of concept, and then engage with developers.


> Cheers!
>
> On Mon, Mar 7, 2011 at 22:45, Alexandro Colorado wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Mar 7, 2011 at 3:19 PM, Jaime R. Garza  wrote:
>>
>>> Hello Alexandro,
>>>
>>> Who can decide within LO to separate officially the engines from the UI?
>>>
>>> For me that's now a must! But who needs to be convinced so that this is
>>> actually done?
>>>
>>
>> Well I am not sure LibO mantain the UI, most of these areas still rely on
>> the original codebase from OOo. The UI is really old code written in the
>> late 80's. So you will need to do a lot of learning on the requirements from
>> SALT, VCL, and other layers within the OOo architecture. Which is what I
>> mean, with actually understanding how OOo works first to think about
>> proposing hacks and ports. I would recommend you to read the original
>> developer guide to see how most of the OOo components are build and how the
>> IDL is structured. Then you can get a sense on the amount of work that would
>> be needed for a port or an engine extraction.
>>
>> Unfortunately this is when most proponents stop listening and replying,
>> until someone new comes with this proposal.
>>
>>
>>
>>>
>>> Cheers!
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Mar 7, 2011 at 22:07, Alexandro Colorado wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Mar 7, 2011 at 2:43 PM, Jaime R. Garza wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> As I have mentioned before, I think, the best solution would be to make
>>>>> a
>>>>> HTML5 based LO!
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> There are some web editors --- open source ones. One is the one EyeOS
>>>> uses, and it looks like a word abiword text processor. Of course it only
>>>> edits and saves in HTML and PDF. But is a start. Having something like
>>>> ODFKit to export to ODT would be the second stage. The thing is that LibO
>>>> nor OOo has their engines separated from the UI. URE is too separated even
>>>> from the traditional API. So many things are not present in URE. So there 
>>>> is
>>>> a lot of piping neediing to go into doing such a thing. Also LibO/OOo is 
>>>> not
>>>> only a text editor so de-bundling might be the biggest challenge but again
>>>> this is the 10 foot view of the issue.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, Mar 7, 2011 at 21:27, Alexandro Colorado 
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> > Linux on Arm is not the same as LibreOffice on ARM. My N900 runs
>>>>> Debian
>>>>> > Linux on Arm, but it has X connected to it. Without it, LibO won't
>>>>> run.
>>>>> > Thats the issue we had earlier with OOo on OSX.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > On Mon, Mar 7, 2011 at 7:58 AM, Chao Sun 
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> >
>>>>> > > Hello Alexandro,
>>>>> > >
>>>>> > >
>>>>> > > >
>>>>> > > > However, I would rather see some code, and not just ideas. My
>>>>> question
>>>>> > is
&

Re: [tdf-discuss] How difficult is it to port Libreoffice to theAndroid Tablets? Is there any plan yet?

On Mon, Mar 7, 2011 at 3:19 PM, Jaime R. Garza  wrote:

> Hello Alexandro,
>
> Who can decide within LO to separate officially the engines from the UI?
>
> For me that's now a must! But who needs to be convinced so that this is
> actually done?
>

Well I am not sure LibO mantain the UI, most of these areas still rely on
the original codebase from OOo. The UI is really old code written in the
late 80's. So you will need to do a lot of learning on the requirements from
SALT, VCL, and other layers within the OOo architecture. Which is what I
mean, with actually understanding how OOo works first to think about
proposing hacks and ports. I would recommend you to read the original
developer guide to see how most of the OOo components are build and how the
IDL is structured. Then you can get a sense on the amount of work that would
be needed for a port or an engine extraction.

Unfortunately this is when most proponents stop listening and replying,
until someone new comes with this proposal.



>
> Cheers!
>
>
> On Mon, Mar 7, 2011 at 22:07, Alexandro Colorado wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Mar 7, 2011 at 2:43 PM, Jaime R. Garza  wrote:
>>
>>> As I have mentioned before, I think, the best solution would be to make a
>>> HTML5 based LO!
>>>
>>
>> There are some web editors --- open source ones. One is the one EyeOS
>> uses, and it looks like a word abiword text processor. Of course it only
>> edits and saves in HTML and PDF. But is a start. Having something like
>> ODFKit to export to ODT would be the second stage. The thing is that LibO
>> nor OOo has their engines separated from the UI. URE is too separated even
>> from the traditional API. So many things are not present in URE. So there is
>> a lot of piping neediing to go into doing such a thing. Also LibO/OOo is not
>> only a text editor so de-bundling might be the biggest challenge but again
>> this is the 10 foot view of the issue.
>>
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Mar 7, 2011 at 21:27, Alexandro Colorado 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> > Linux on Arm is not the same as LibreOffice on ARM. My N900 runs Debian
>>> > Linux on Arm, but it has X connected to it. Without it, LibO won't run.
>>> > Thats the issue we had earlier with OOo on OSX.
>>> >
>>> > On Mon, Mar 7, 2011 at 7:58 AM, Chao Sun 
>>> wrote:
>>> >
>>> > > Hello Alexandro,
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > > >
>>> > > > However, I would rather see some code, and not just ideas. My
>>> question
>>> > is
>>> > > > when will u launch a proof of concept, or at least try?
>>> > > >
>>> > >
>>> > > We are typing some code now. However, firstly we need to do the
>>> "cross
>>> > > compile" part. And some issues need to address. I've heard the "linux
>>> on
>>> > > ARM" has already been done. And if anybody have access to those
>>> assembly
>>> > > code.  Or have clue where we should headed, please ring the bell.
>>> > >
>>> > > Cheers
>>> > > Chao
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > > >
>>> > > >
>>> > > >>
>>> > > >> Cheers!
>>> > > >>
>>> > > >> Jaime
>>> > > >>
>>> > > >> On Fri, Mar 4, 2011 at 11:56, Mirek M.  wrote:
>>> > > >>
>>> > > >>> 2011/3/4 Jaime R. Garza 
>>> > > >>>
>>> > > >>>> In my humble opinion it will be great to have the UI separated
>>> from
>>> > > all
>>> > > >>> the
>>> > > >>>> rest. Think of WebKit in the Browser! That would allow to have a
>>> QT
>>> > > UI,
>>> > > >> a
>>> > > >>>> GTK UI, a Multitouch UI, etc.
>>> > > >>>>
>>> > > >>>
>>> > > >>> There are two projects already underway with this goal in mind:
>>> > > >>> WebODF<http://www.webodf.org/>and
>>> > > >>> ODFKit <http://gitorious.org/odfkit> (WebODF seems to be an
>>> > evolution
>>> > > of
>>> > > >>> ODFKit, and although it uses web technologies, it's sti

Re: [tdf-discuss] How difficult is it to port Libreoffice to theAndroid Tablets? Is there any plan yet?

On Mon, Mar 7, 2011 at 2:43 PM, Jaime R. Garza  wrote:

> As I have mentioned before, I think, the best solution would be to make a
> HTML5 based LO!
>

There are some web editors --- open source ones. One is the one EyeOS uses,
and it looks like a word abiword text processor. Of course it only edits and
saves in HTML and PDF. But is a start. Having something like ODFKit to
export to ODT would be the second stage. The thing is that LibO nor OOo has
their engines separated from the UI. URE is too separated even from the
traditional API. So many things are not present in URE. So there is a lot of
piping neediing to go into doing such a thing. Also LibO/OOo is not only a
text editor so de-bundling might be the biggest challenge but again this is
the 10 foot view of the issue.


>
>
>
> On Mon, Mar 7, 2011 at 21:27, Alexandro Colorado 
> wrote:
>
> > Linux on Arm is not the same as LibreOffice on ARM. My N900 runs Debian
> > Linux on Arm, but it has X connected to it. Without it, LibO won't run.
> > Thats the issue we had earlier with OOo on OSX.
> >
> > On Mon, Mar 7, 2011 at 7:58 AM, Chao Sun  wrote:
> >
> > > Hello Alexandro,
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > > However, I would rather see some code, and not just ideas. My
> question
> > is
> > > > when will u launch a proof of concept, or at least try?
> > > >
> > >
> > > We are typing some code now. However, firstly we need to do the "cross
> > > compile" part. And some issues need to address. I've heard the "linux
> on
> > > ARM" has already been done. And if anybody have access to those
> assembly
> > > code.  Or have clue where we should headed, please ring the bell.
> > >
> > > Cheers
> > > Chao
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >>
> > > >> Cheers!
> > > >>
> > > >> Jaime
> > > >>
> > > >> On Fri, Mar 4, 2011 at 11:56, Mirek M.  wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >>> 2011/3/4 Jaime R. Garza 
> > > >>>
> > > >>>> In my humble opinion it will be great to have the UI separated
> from
> > > all
> > > >>> the
> > > >>>> rest. Think of WebKit in the Browser! That would allow to have a
> QT
> > > UI,
> > > >> a
> > > >>>> GTK UI, a Multitouch UI, etc.
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>> There are two projects already underway with this goal in mind:
> > > >>> WebODF<http://www.webodf.org/>and
> > > >>> ODFKit <http://gitorious.org/odfkit> (WebODF seems to be an
> > evolution
> > > of
> > > >>> ODFKit, and although it uses web technologies, it's still suitable
> > for
> > > >>> desktop and mobile applications).
> > > >>>
> > > >>> On Fri, Mar 4, 2011 at 02:52, Chaosun 
> wrote:
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>> Well, I had a quite long chat with tml_ regarding the porting to
> > > >>> Android
> > > >>>>> issue. The truth is that we are planning to have a try. However
> the
> > > >>>> workload
> > > >>>>> is tremendous due to the loss of UI. Also to fit the platform, we
> > > >> need
> > > >>> a
> > > >>>>> complete redesign on UE.
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> The possible works would be:
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> 1. Get rid of all the UI related modules such as vcl, sfx2,
> > framework
> > > >>> and
> > > >>>>> corresponding services etc.
> > > >>>>> 2. A engine like LibreOffice, no UI, only provides APIs for
> further
> > > >>>>> development.
> > > >>>>> 3. Create a UI for multitouch devices
> > > >>>>> Just name a few. no one is a easy work. Also, I'd like to hear
> from
> > > >>> you.
> > > >>>>> Please do advice!
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> Regards
> > > >>>>> Chao
> > > >>>>> --
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Re: [tdf-discuss] How difficult is it to port Libreoffice to theAndroid Tablets? Is there any plan yet?

Linux on Arm is not the same as LibreOffice on ARM. My N900 runs Debian
Linux on Arm, but it has X connected to it. Without it, LibO won't run.
Thats the issue we had earlier with OOo on OSX.

On Mon, Mar 7, 2011 at 7:58 AM, Chao Sun  wrote:

> Hello Alexandro,
>
>
> >
> > However, I would rather see some code, and not just ideas. My question is
> > when will u launch a proof of concept, or at least try?
> >
>
> We are typing some code now. However, firstly we need to do the "cross
> compile" part. And some issues need to address. I've heard the "linux on
> ARM" has already been done. And if anybody have access to those assembly
> code.  Or have clue where we should headed, please ring the bell.
>
> Cheers
> Chao
>
>
>
>
>
> >
> >
> >>
> >> Cheers!
> >>
> >> Jaime
> >>
> >> On Fri, Mar 4, 2011 at 11:56, Mirek M.  wrote:
> >>
> >>> 2011/3/4 Jaime R. Garza 
> >>>
> >>>> In my humble opinion it will be great to have the UI separated from
> all
> >>> the
> >>>> rest. Think of WebKit in the Browser! That would allow to have a QT
> UI,
> >> a
> >>>> GTK UI, a Multitouch UI, etc.
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>> There are two projects already underway with this goal in mind:
> >>> WebODF<http://www.webodf.org/>and
> >>> ODFKit <http://gitorious.org/odfkit> (WebODF seems to be an evolution
> of
> >>> ODFKit, and although it uses web technologies, it's still suitable for
> >>> desktop and mobile applications).
> >>>
> >>> On Fri, Mar 4, 2011 at 02:52, Chaosun  wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> Well, I had a quite long chat with tml_ regarding the porting to
> >>> Android
> >>>>> issue. The truth is that we are planning to have a try. However the
> >>>> workload
> >>>>> is tremendous due to the loss of UI. Also to fit the platform, we
> >> need
> >>> a
> >>>>> complete redesign on UE.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> The possible works would be:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> 1. Get rid of all the UI related modules such as vcl, sfx2, framework
> >>> and
> >>>>> corresponding services etc.
> >>>>> 2. A engine like LibreOffice, no UI, only provides APIs for further
> >>>>> development.
> >>>>> 3. Create a UI for multitouch devices
> >>>>> Just name a few. no one is a easy work. Also, I'd like to hear from
> >>> you.
> >>>>> Please do advice!
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Regards
> >>>>> Chao
> >>>>> --
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Re: [tdf-discuss] How difficult is it to port Libreoffice to theAndroid Tablets? Is there any plan yet?

2011-03-04 Thread Alexandro Colorado

On Fri, Mar 4, 2011 at 5:11 AM, Jaime R. Garza  wrote:

> Hello Mirek,
>
> now that I read in detail, both are only viewers, I'm talking about Office
> Suite functionality, not only viewers.
>

A writer is only an XML editor which might not be as different of any
semantic language editor that can save as a ZIP file. ODFToolkit has stuff
that can generate documents, slaping a native UI to it shhould be easier
than stripping everything from OOo.

However, I would rather see some code, and not just ideas. My question is
when will u launch a proof of concept, or at least try?



>
> Cheers!
>
> Jaime
>
> On Fri, Mar 4, 2011 at 11:56, Mirek M.  wrote:
>
> > 2011/3/4 Jaime R. Garza 
> >
> > > In my humble opinion it will be great to have the UI separated from all
> > the
> > > rest. Think of WebKit in the Browser! That would allow to have a QT UI,
> a
> > > GTK UI, a Multitouch UI, etc.
> > >
> >
> > There are two projects already underway with this goal in mind:
> > WebODF<http://www.webodf.org/>and
> > ODFKit <http://gitorious.org/odfkit> (WebODF seems to be an evolution of
> > ODFKit, and although it uses web technologies, it's still suitable for
> > desktop and mobile applications).
> >
> > On Fri, Mar 4, 2011 at 02:52, Chaosun  wrote:
> > >
> > > > Well, I had a quite long chat with tml_ regarding the porting to
> > Android
> > > > issue. The truth is that we are planning to have a try. However the
> > > workload
> > > > is tremendous due to the loss of UI. Also to fit the platform, we
> need
> > a
> > > > complete redesign on UE.
> > > >
> > > > The possible works would be:
> > > >
> > > > 1. Get rid of all the UI related modules such as vcl, sfx2, framework
> > and
> > > > corresponding services etc.
> > > > 2. A engine like LibreOffice, no UI, only provides APIs for further
> > > > development.
> > > > 3. Create a UI for multitouch devices
> > > > Just name a few. no one is a easy work. Also, I'd like to hear from
> > you.
> > > > Please do advice!
> > > >
> > > > Regards
> > > > Chao
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Re: [tdf-discuss] How difficult is it to port Libreoffice to theAndroid Tablets? Is there any plan yet?

2011-03-04 Thread Alexandro Colorado

On Thu, Mar 3, 2011 at 7:52 PM, Chaosun  wrote:

> Well, I had a quite long chat with tml_ regarding the porting to Android
> issue. The truth is that we are planning to have a try. However the workload
> is tremendous due to the loss of UI. Also to fit the platform, we need a
> complete redesign on UE.
>
> The possible works would be:
>
> 1. Get rid of all the UI related modules such as vcl, sfx2, framework and
> corresponding services etc.
> 2. A engine like LibreOffice, no UI, only provides APIs for further
> development.
> 3. Create a UI for multitouch devices
> Just name a few. no one is a easy work. Also, I'd like to hear from you.
> Please do advice!
>

If you going to get rid of all that, what is the difference of just making
an Android native office suite and borrow the code whenever seen fit. Don't
you think?



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[tdf-discuss] Document Freedom Day - 30 de Marzo

2011-02-03 Thread Alexandro Colorado

Just got the PR annoucment of this year Document Freedom Day, something that
I think is important to get involved.

http://jza.posterous.com/document-freedom-day-is-on#

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Re: [tdf-discuss] Best time for Conference Calls

2011-01-31 Thread Alexandro Colorado

On Mon, Jan 31, 2011 at 7:50 AM, Joe Rotello wrote:

> Michael  and others...
>
> Speaking of conference calls or "live conferences with live calls" if you
> will...
>
> Worldwide especially, why not consider engaging some or all users using
> Skype audio, or perhaps those that can, use the Skype long-distance calling
> potential ?
>
> It's NOT the 100% answer-all, but might be useful and further the process,
> etc.
>


I would suggest a more democratic and independent way to access the
resource. For IRC for example, you can just join in whenever of the day you
wish to. I would recommend just launching the initiative with a set date for
ASIA and whoever makes it, join in. The issue here is that most of the
infrastructure is very locked to the subscriber (Florian) as opposed to IRC
which you can join without needing the admin to be present.

There is no easy solution unfortunately, except maybe having a pre-registry
of the room. This will allow florian to send the information via email and
have it schedule to the regional group needs. Same thing will go for America
where the US marketing group or others could do the same for their groups.



>
> Joe Rotello / WindowGroup
> Knoxville, TN / USA
> Skype: joerotello
>
> On 1/30/2011 12:00 PM, 
> discuss+h...@documentfoundation.orgwrote:
>
>> Subject:
>> [tdf-discuss] Best time for Conference Calls
>> From:
>>
>> Michael Wheatland 
>> Date:
>> Sun, 30 Jan 2011 17:35:06 +0930
>>
>> To:
>> discuss@documentfoundation.org
>>
>>
>>
>> I thought I would put forward a view regarding the best time for
>> conference calls being held world wide.
>> The current situation regarding the conference calls is such that the
>> people situated in South-East Asia and Australia need to be awake at
>> 3-4AM to attend the calls.
>>
>> Might I suggest That we move the times earlier in the day to around
>> 1200-1400 GMT.
>> http://www.wheatland.com.au/sites/default/files/files/BestTimeCalling.PNG
>>
>> As far as I can see this would exclude the least number of people
>> around the world from attending the calls.
>>
>> What do others think?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Michael Wheatland
>>
>
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Re: [tdf-discuss] EPS images in ODT documents

2011-01-29 Thread Alexandro Colorado

On Sat, Jan 29, 2011 at 8:01 AM, Magnus Johansson wrote:

>
> Hello! I write books containing a lot of EPS images. When I have tried to
> use
> OpenOffice I have not been satisfied with the rendition of the inserted EPS
> images. Is LibreOffice better than OpenOffice in this respect?
>

I have had some discussions about the image rendering engine, and it seems
is very old. The 'codecs' are from the early nineties and there have not
being updated. Same with the HTML engine, hopefully LibreOffice will have
more desire in updating this things.



>
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Re: [tdf-discuss] An Interesting Mockup

On Mon, Jan 17, 2011 at 5:03 PM, David Nelson wrote:

> Hi, :-)
>
> 2011/1/18 Paulo José :
> > Hi everyone,
> >
> > I'm the mock-ups creator. It's the firt time that I use a mail list like
> > that and english is not my own language, so I'm not sure if I'm doing it
> > right.
> >
> > First, thank you Animesh Meher for starting this threat.
> >
> > I totally agree with Zaphod for a decent discussion on the LibO's UI. And
> > the Microsoft's mistake is a good guideline to help this process. It been
> > said, I would like to help you if it's possible. I'm not a professional
> > designer, but I'm a Computer Science student and art is part of my whole
> > live. I worked some years with Corel Draw and Photoshop and the last 5
> years
> > with Blender, Inkscape (1.000.000x better than Corel) and Gimp.
> >
> > I'm a big Blender Foundation fan and when they were working on a
> completly
> > new interface for Blender (my guess it was over 2008) many people has
> afraid
> > of what would be it. The first releases was very simple and disgusting,
> > since it was a big change and "everything" should be relearned. There was
> > many noise on it for months. But finally, in 2009,the Blender Foundation
> > showed a polished interface, very very different from the original one.
> > Users become to apreciate it and to learn more about it. Today, the new
> > interface is the think I most apreciate in Blender: it's the top of
> > customization, it's beautiful, it's completely usable. But there's no
> > perfect UIs, so they keep changing it to get closer to what the users
> want.
> > And the users *really* discuss about it, i.e. in the BlenderArtists
> forum.
> >
> > I really hope to see this process of reconstruction happening to
> > LibreOffice. Since its a revival of the closed OpenOffice, I see a big
> > potential to become a highlight office suite on Linux desktops. But I see
> > the need of a important refresh on UI. Just like Blender did.
> >
> > Well, I'm sure it's over me, but I'm here if you need of my efforts. I'm
> not
> > capable to code satisfastorily in C, Java or Python yet, but I hope this
> > halfyear I'll become to learn how to do that. Right now I just know HTML,
> > CSS and basic programing.
> >
> > Kudos for the LibO development team!
> > ~Paulo José
>
> This revives a subject that has already been discussed on TDF lists:
> the "skinnability" of LibreOffice. AFAIK, with some little effort,
> LibO is already pretty adaptable looks-wise. Perhaps a bit of a drive
> would be necessary to move more of the adaptation capability down from
> the "packager level" to the end user level? But a dev would be better
> able to comment on that.
>
> Personally, I really love what Paulo has produced, and - as an end
> user - I'd love to see it on my desktop.
>
> It would be rather interesting to see LibO available in a small
> selection of "flavors" that offer the user some choice in the kind of
> front end (s)he chooses for the suite. You could then watch a natural
> shake-out take place...
>
> I hope Paulo's creative work [1] is not allowed to subside back into
> obscurity, and that it really gets taken up by the project...
>
> 2 cents. ;-)
>
> [1] http://pauloup.deviantart.com/gallery/28216273#/d37dxkj
>
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Well the VCL of OOo is a bit complex, and skinability is always a somewhat
controversial topic. I remember back in the OOo 1.x days there was a perl
script that will skin your OOo through images attached to the UI. This by no
means was a true skin but a hack. Later it came up the naturalization and
kde.openoffice.org was form to get it more natural UI to the KDE toolkit as
well as Novell's OOo did with Gnome to look more GTK.

OOo/LibO right now have two different ways to get skinability, one is the
easy iconsets which are a bunch of PNG zipped in a specific folder. With the
right convention you can easily customize your OOo. The hard part is the VCL
widgets, meaning the actual color and shade of the bars. OOo used to have
this under Options -> General -> Appearance  also on BASIC you could select
colors to specific buttons, but when executed the naturalization of the UI
takes over overwriting any specific assigned color. Which I think is a very
bad bug.

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Re: [tdf-discuss] An Interesting Mockup

2011/1/17 Paulo José 

> On 17-01-2011 18:31, Paulo José wrote:
>
>> Hi everyone,
>>
>> I'm the mock-ups creator. It's the firt time that I use a mail list like
>> that and english is not my own language, so I'm not sure if I'm doing it
>> right.
>>
>
I wonder what you mean by that? Are you the original author of the DevianArt
mockup?

Well just wondered if you have seen the KOffice interface and what is your
thoughts that they (we) could improve.
here is an example:
http://www.koffice.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/12/kpresenter-slides-sorter.png

Beside of the pane toolboxes, whcih are seen in KOffice and other suites
like Apple's iWorks as well as Symphony. Is there any uptake on having these
models as opposed of the traditional toolbar?

I was never a fan of floating toolbars, they got in the way of work and
often are not needed immediately after. So it becomes more a distraction
than an aid.



>
>> First, thank you Animesh Meher for starting this threat.
>>
>> I totally agree with Zaphod for a decent discussion on the LibO's UI. And
>> the Microsoft's mistake is a good guideline to help this process. It been
>> said, I would like to help you if it's possible. I'm not a professional
>> designer, but I'm a Computer Science student and art is part of my whole
>> live. I worked some years with Corel Draw and Photoshop and the last 5 years
>> with Blender, Inkscape (1.000.000x better than Corel) and Gimp.
>>
>> I'm a big Blender Foundation fan and when they were working on a completly
>> new interface for Blender (my guess it was over 2008) many people has afraid
>> of what would be it. The first releases was very simple and disgusting,
>> since it was a big change and "everything" should be relearned. There was
>> many noise on it for months. But finally, in 2009,the Blender Foundation
>> showed a polished interface, very very different from the original one.
>> Users become to apreciate it and to learn more about it. Today, the new
>> interface is the think I most apreciate in Blender: it's the top of
>> customization, it's beautiful, it's completely usable. But there's no
>> perfect UIs, so they keep changing it to get closer to what the users want.
>> And the users *really* discuss about it, i.e. in the BlenderArtists forum.
>>
>> I really hope to see this process of reconstruction happening to
>> LibreOffice. Since its a revival of the closed OpenOffice, I see a big
>> potential to become a highlight office suite on Linux desktops. But I see
>> the need of a important refresh on UI. Just like Blender did.
>>
>> Well, I'm sure it's over me, but I'm here if you need of my efforts. I'm
>> not capable to code satisfastorily in C, Java or Python yet, but I hope this
>> halfyear I'll become to learn how to do that. Right now I just know HTML,
>> CSS and basic programing.
>>
>> Kudos for the LibO development team!
>> ~Paulo José
>>
>>"Zaphod Feeblejocks" wrote:
>>I'm all for a decent discussion on the UI, and appreciate the comment
>> on the
>>side-bar.
>>Could the current top-bar with icons etc be made moveable (just as the
>> Win 95
>>start bar
>>was, when I moved to the side it by accident and couldn't get it back
>> to the
>>bottom ah,
>>memories...)
>>
>>However, we need to avoid Microsoft's mistake of forcing their Ribbon
>> on
>>people, without
>>letting them have a 'Classic' interface.  (1) the Ribbon lacks
>> consistency; (2)
>>Office 2007
>>had 60% global market share in summer 2010 - a failure by Microsoft's
>>standards.  Office
>>2003 had 20% - many of whom were Ribbon refusenicks.  The other 20% was
>> a
>>steadily
>>growing OOo.
>>
>>Granted, the current LibO/OOo interface looks dated, but people know
>> their way
>>round it - at
>>least the know how to find the things they use.  Some things are far
>> too clumsy
>>(e.g. mail-
>>merging).  A sudden change would drive people (well, me) back over to
>> OOo.
>>
>>Let's reach a proper concensus.
>>
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>> Federal University of São João del-Rei
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Re: [tdf-discuss] An Interesting Mockup

On Mon, Jan 17, 2011 at 1:35 PM, Alexandro Colorado wrote:

>
>
> On Mon, Jan 17, 2011 at 12:01 PM, todd rme  wrote:
>
>> On Mon, Jan 17, 2011 at 12:50 PM, animesh meher
>>  wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> > Hi! All,
>> >
>> >
>> > I found an very interesting mock-up or Open Office UI, on DevianArt .
>> >
>> > Now that most screens are wide screen
>> > A side bar based UI is the best usage of space.
>> >
>> > Here is the link.
>> >
>> > http://pauloup.deviantart.com/gallery/28216273#/d37dxkj
>> >
>> > Even IBM Symphony's UI are very good.
>> >
>> > Please its really time to change our UI to something more Usable.
>> > An UI like this saves a lot of verticle space and most of the main
>> editing options are clearly visible.
>> > We can surely work on this and improve.
>>
>> So in other words turn it libreoffice into koffice?  ;)
>>
>
> Actually it changes OpenOffice.org back into the 1.x days when a good deal
> of tools were located on the side pane.
> http://www.thevarguy.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/x1.1.5.png
> and
> http://pauloup.deviantart.com/gallery/28216273#/d37dxfb
>
> similar?
>

Seems the second link takes the global frame, here is the image I am talking
about:
http://fc01.deviantart.net/fs70/f/2011/017/9/2/libreoffice_ui_mock_up_light_2_by_pauloup-d37dxfb.png


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>
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Re: [tdf-discuss] An Interesting Mockup

On Mon, Jan 17, 2011 at 12:01 PM, todd rme  wrote:

> On Mon, Jan 17, 2011 at 12:50 PM, animesh meher
>  wrote:
> >
> >
> > Hi! All,
> >
> >
> > I found an very interesting mock-up or Open Office UI, on DevianArt .
> >
> > Now that most screens are wide screen
> > A side bar based UI is the best usage of space.
> >
> > Here is the link.
> >
> > http://pauloup.deviantart.com/gallery/28216273#/d37dxkj
> >
> > Even IBM Symphony's UI are very good.
> >
> > Please its really time to change our UI to something more Usable.
> > An UI like this saves a lot of verticle space and most of the main
> editing options are clearly visible.
> > We can surely work on this and improve.
>
> So in other words turn it libreoffice into koffice?  ;)
>

Actually it changes OpenOffice.org back into the 1.x days when a good deal
of tools were located on the side pane.
http://www.thevarguy.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/x1.1.5.png
and
http://pauloup.deviantart.com/gallery/28216273#/d37dxfb

similar?



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Re: [tdf-discuss] Fwd: Reporte para el grupo LibreOffice de Shapado

2011/1/17 Fabián Rodríguez 

>
> Greetings,
>
> This is last week's report on activity for the "Ask LibreOffice" Q&A
> site at Shapado.
>
> I'll get future reports in English. Here's the translation:
>
> 4 questions were created
> 8 answers were provided
> 6 people voted
> 9 badges were issues
>
> This account has 50 users
>
> I just checked and it's 55 now, so it's a good start although slow on #
> of questions (which is not really a big surprise).
>
> This week I'll be focusing on better integration and visibility for
> current LibO sites & resources. As usual, any comments & suggestions are
> welcome.
>

maybe we can look for an open source implementation of shapado (ideastorm)
and install it on the libreoffice serves so we can host these Q&A. I think
there are similar projects such as ThinkUp from LifeHacker -
http://thinkupapp.com/

However this is a good pilot to see if it's worth it to consider it for
future implementations, I will also notify the web team.



>
> Cheers,
>
> Fabian
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>  Original Message 
> Subject:Reporte para el grupo LibreOffice de Shapado
> Date:   Sun, 16 Jan 2011 03:02:56 +
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>
>
>
> Hola magicfab,
>
>
> Reporte para el groupo LibreOffice
>
> Desde el Mon Jan 10 00:00:00 UTC 2011
>
>
> 4 preguntas han sido creadas
> 8 respuestas han sido creadas
> 6 votos has sido efectuados
> 9  insignas han sido otorgadas
>
>
> La cuenta tiene 50 usuarios.
> Visita el  grupo en http://libreoffice.shapado.com/
>
>
> 
> Si no deseas recibir notificaciones automáticas de 
> libreoffice.shapado.comotra vez, cambia tus preferencias en la pantalla de 
> notificaciones.
> http://libreoffice.shapado.com/users/edit/magicfab#notifications
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Re: [tdf-discuss] Can someone tell me who is developing the ODF viewer?

2010-12-15 Thread Alexandro Colorado

On Wed, Dec 15, 2010 at 11:04 AM, Alexandro Colorado  
wrote:
> On Wed, Dec 15, 2010 at 8:16 AM, Jaime R. Garza  wrote:
>> Hello All,
>>
>> I would like to have contact with the developers of the ODF viewer. I would
>> like to port the functionality into Firefox/Chomium Extensions.
>
> The developers were at the opendocument fellowship project. It was an
> opendocument fellowship hosted project, and most of the developers are
> not in these community. (eg. Daniel Carrera, Lars Nooden, etc).
>
> I would suggest to look them on that project:
> http://opendocumentfellowship.com/odfviewer
>
> AFAIK, the development is not active anymore, but still has very good
> usable code. As far as other ODF viewers like KOffice for Meego, and
> ODFMovil in OSUR. I think you can find their code and contacts on
> their respective websites.

oops, ODFmovil is in Morfeo, not OSUR:
http://visorodfmovil.morfeo-project.org/


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>> Cheers!
>>
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Re: [tdf-discuss] Can someone tell me who is developing the ODF viewer?

2010-12-15 Thread Alexandro Colorado

On Wed, Dec 15, 2010 at 8:16 AM, Jaime R. Garza  wrote:
> Hello All,
>
> I would like to have contact with the developers of the ODF viewer. I would
> like to port the functionality into Firefox/Chomium Extensions.

The developers were at the opendocument fellowship project. It was an
opendocument fellowship hosted project, and most of the developers are
not in these community. (eg. Daniel Carrera, Lars Nooden, etc).

I would suggest to look them on that project:
http://opendocumentfellowship.com/odfviewer

AFAIK, the development is not active anymore, but still has very good
usable code. As far as other ODF viewers like KOffice for Meego, and
ODFMovil in OSUR. I think you can find their code and contacts on
their respective websites.

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> Cheers!
>
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Re: [tdf-discuss] On the Future of TDF

2010-12-05 Thread Alexandro Colorado

On Sun, 05 Dec 2010 07:11:24 -0600, Valter Mura   
wrote:

In data lunedì 15 novembre 2010 17:39:08, Mirek M. ha scritto:

> > It would also be great if LibO, KOffice, AbiWord,  Gnumeric, Ease,  
and

>
> all
>
> > the other open-source editors worked together to set  standards.
>
> It's called Open Document Format (ODF) and LibO/OOo support it.
> It's managed by OASIS (http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/office/)  
and

> has
> been accepted
> as an ISO standard as well.

I know that ODF is a standard. I meant set other standards, such as
keyboard shortcuts, default websites for content (fonts, templates,
clipart, ...), symbolism, command names, default fonts (as I explained,  
if

all the open-source projects agreed on a triad of default fonts, these
fonts could easily gain the widespread usage as Times-Arial-Courier have
enjoyed for years), etc.

This is an interesting point of view...

So, what about joining efforts to create a bigger open source office  
suite
project? I mean, LibO, KOffice, Abiword, Gnumeric et als all together  
against

closed and commercial products...

:-)

Regards,

Please read 'why dont we merge gnome with kde to see if we can go against  
windows'.

I am not sure the goal is really to go against anybody. Goal is to provide  
the best solution for users. Joining too projects doesn't really mean we  
will have twice the resources. This is not a merge and acquisition  
environment like HP buying compaq to go against dell.

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Re: [tdf-discuss] Survey: Usage of LibreOffice components

2010-11-29 Thread Alexandro Colorado

On Sun, 28 Nov 2010 13:30:34 -0600, Cyril Arnaud   
wrote:



I use OpenOffice daily, and I installed OpenOffice in one of my
customers office.
That's a smal office but they are using 60% Writer, 20% Calc, 20%
Impress.
They use Impress a lot (for creation and reviewing presentation made by
others).
They like Writer and Calc very much, Impress ... not so much (especially
when they receive a presentation in .pptx ...)

Draw, Base are used really really marginally.

I don't use the quickstarter (see bug
https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/openoffice.org/+bug/562027)

-Cyril

On Sun, 2010-11-28 at 19:09 +0100, Sebastian G. wrote:


I'd like to know which components are most used and maybe why others are
not. If you used OpenOffice before you can include your usage data as  
well.


Do you use the quick starter?

This is more or less private. There's no goal (other than to satisfy my
curiosity) of this survey, but someone might use it for it's own
purposes. e.g. discussing about changing installer defaults, creating a
light installer... and so on.

I start (OpenOffice usage included):

Writer = 90%
Calc = 09%
Impress = 01%
Draw = 00%
Base = 00%
Math = 00%


I don't use the quick starter.

Writer: to write private letters
Calc: to create some listings and calculations
Impress: to watch presentations from others (Just created one on my own
for fun)
Draw: I just don't draw anything. If I did in the past there was paint
(gulp). Inkscape works pretty good for me and it's a multi-platform
tool. (Just for used for testing purpose)
Base: I don't create any databases.
Math: I don't needed that in the past.

Regards,
bastik

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I would also have a different kind of review since Draw has competitors  
and the competitors users aren't really considering Draw. Things like  
Visio or QuarkExpress type of users. Or users that will want to do DTP and  
preffer using the wordprocessor (Word or Writer) versus Draw because they  
are not familiar with it.


Althought I agree Scribus and others are more complete in that regard.  
Draw is really good for putting together a tabloid.


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Re: [tdf-discuss] functionality issues discussions

2010-11-24 Thread Alexandro Colorado

On Wed, 24 Nov 2010 01:16:53 -0600, Marwan Gedeon   
wrote:



I'm sorry if asking this here is inappropriate, I couldn't find the
answer in FAQ, neither another mailing list dedicated for that purpose:
what is the proper place/people to resort to, in order to report/resolve
issues with current LibreOffice's beta release? Is bugzilla
(https://bugs.freedesktop.org/) my best shot here?
Thank you




There are developer lists, and also a developer IRC room that can also  
help you with issues regarding bugs. Yes bugzilla is the current error  
tracker in freedesktop.


Also look on the wiki about QA and other related documents at  
wiki.documentfoundation.org


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Re: [tdf-discuss] Request: Installation Instructions

2010-11-20 Thread Alexandro Colorado


On Sat, 20 Nov 2010 08:51:00 -0600, Craig A. Eddy  wrote:


Recently (like 4:00 AM local time, November 20, 2010) I downloaded the
.tar.gz of the .deb files from TDF
(http://download.documentfoundation.org/libreoffice/testing/3.3.0-beta3/deb/).
 On unpacking the archived files I discovered that LO is subjecting poor
unsuspecting users to the same problem that OOo has been famous for:
there is no obvious way to start to install the files.  Dependencies for
each .deb have to be met, but nothing indicates the order with which to
install them.  When dealing with 52 .deb files it's like trying to do a
jigsaw puzzle where all distinguishing marks have been filed off.

It would be much easier if there were a single meta-package that would
act as the start point.  Failing that, at least an ordered list that an
individual could refer to.

The object of LibreOffice, as with any other program, is to be used.
But if one has to try to map the labyrinth in order to do so, one won't.
 Would you please consider making it easier for the end user?

Thank you.



Usually that's what make files are for, but any bash file could also do  
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Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Why LO mobile version should not be ignored

2010-11-18 Thread Alexandro Colorado

On Thu, 18 Nov 2010 17:05:03 -0600, Harold Fuchs
wrote:

On 18/11/2010 19:39, Ian Lynch wrote:

On 18 November 2010 14:27, Florian Reisinger wrote:

Has anyone "in authority" asked the PortableApps folk if they'd do a
portable LibO? Can't hurt to ask ...

Has anyone "in authority" asked the Android and/or Apple and/or
Symbian

folk

if they'd do a mobile LibO? Can't hurt to ask ...

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I'd be surprised if Google hadn't already thought about it and so they
probably rejected it. After all they already have Google Docs and my
Android
phone has ThinkFree Office. Symbian is using K-office. The barrier of
the

size of LO is a significant issue. If it is slimmed and phones get more
powerful it can happen but the longer that takes the moore likely it
will be

that it is too late :-(. Even a light weight WP based on Writer from a
workflow point of view and supporting odf would be better than nothing.
90%
of people simply don't need all the functions for the things they do
most

often and this likely what they would do on phone technology.

Your comment about the size of LibO is highly relevant. I've been amazed
ever since I first encountered OOo that it isn't in separately
installable modules. Perhaps, if it is to make significant inroads into
the developing markets, it needs a complete re-design to conform to the
Unix philosophy of making small tools that each do one job well but can
be easily combined.

OOo is in different modules, but is a bit irrelevant since the core still
ocuppies 90% of the overal size.
When you install in linux you are faced with a folder with up to 17
different rpm packages. Also a distro will upgrade on different package
set. Then again the same is true if you want a KDE app, the core libs will
take a very large and pulverized ammount of packages.

ThinkFree seems do do MS Office format only :-( It seems to be able to
handle doc, xls etc. but *not* docx, xlsx etc.

Google Docs do ODF there is a whole list of apps that handle ODF. This is
more of an ODF conversation but the level of adoption is very big now.

Check this graph:
http://216.220.37.188/uploadedImages/About_Adlib/Adlib_Software_Blog/http---www.odfalliance.org-resources-ODF5yr_050110.pdf%20-%20Adobe%20Reader.jpg

K-Office seems to be able to handle ODF.

Perhaps LibO is too late for the mobile market, which would be a shame,
but I still think a *portable* version would be an excellent "seller".

LibO is already being targeted to be bundled with the WeTab which is a
meego driven app. I think mobile development will soon reach the computer
specs faster than developing for a mobile specs. There are remote desktop
solutions to manage apps from your mobile as well. Mobile custom OS don't
allow new toolkits like the one of OOo/LibO which makes it practically
impossible to port. As opposed to open OS that allow you to just compile
the new toolkit for it.

Android might allow our toolkit but the lack of support of big
dependencies like X11 might make it hard to compile for it.

Open mobile platforms like Meego/maemo might have a better choice for the
port.

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Re: [tdf-discuss] Clear separation between frontend and backend?

2010-11-06 Thread Alexandro Colorado

- Original message -
> Hi Alexandro,
>
> On Sat, 2010-11-06 at 17:28 -0600, Alexandro Colorado wrote:
> > represent some advantages. Certainly the development cost will be 
> > disipated since the toolkit would be mantained by a broader community.
>
>     Having finally rid ourselves of one corporate controlled, mandatory
> corporate copyright ownership aggregation problem area, I don't want to
> import another one, just lower down the stack.
>
>     Hmm,
>
>         Michael.
>
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hi Michael 
I agree with that point however this toolkit is GPL and also has a dynamic of 
being adopted by other mobile platforms like meego. Just to weight the pros and 
con on the topic of separating the engine from the toolkit and adopting into 
other toolkits. Not sure how the other toolkits in android or iphone can 
provide. 
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Re: [tdf-discuss] Clear separation between frontend and backend?

2010-11-06 Thread Alexandro Colorado


On Sat, 06 Nov 2010 15:58:37 -0600, RGB ES  wrote:


I was thinking on something similar. If it were possible to completely
separate "core" from UI it would be great. For example, someone who
knows Qt but nothing about GTK will be able to create a gui for MeeGo
without messing with core elements. Or someone else will be able to
build a gui for small monitors. Or another person will be able to
build something for "power users" in which you can only see style
stuff while just another person will contribute a kids & format
painter lovers interface.


To go on with this idea, I think it will be interesting to make the
core "toolkit independent" (i.e., pure C or C++, without GTK or any
stuff like that), so it will be possible to integrate LibO on any
platform "just" (yes, I know it is not easy, that's why I used
quotes... ;) ) by writing a proper UI.


A couple of years ago during an event in Spain (Desktop Summit) people  
from Nokia approach me as the only OOo representative in the event. They  
expressed their proposal on having OOo adopt Qt as their UI. The proposal  
represent some advantages. Certainly the development cost will be  
disipated since the toolkit would be mantained by a broader community.


I still got the guy's card and probably try to get them to come close to  
the LO dev team with more information about this.




2010/11/6 Lee Hyde :

Greetings All,

I'm just a humble end user, and frankly I have little-to-no knowledge of
software development but I was wondering whether there is a clear
separation between frontend and backend with LibreOffice. Such that it
would make it easy to essentially 'slot-in' a replacement GUI.

As I say, I'm not familiar with software development in general much
less the specifics of OOo/LibO but it seems to the that one of the
better ways to encourage innovation is to make it easy for people to
'hack' on individual modules and in particular the GUI (which is in dire
need of modernisation and optimisation in my humble opinion). If
'hacking' a new GUI onto OOo/Lib (a'la IBM Lotus Symphony) at the moment
is non-trivial it will hinder innovation in the form of specialist forks
(which could be very useful for the mother project) and/or experimental
UI (which are clearly intended to showcase innovative ideas to see if
they could or should be merged into the mother project).

I just thought I'd bring this up in light of all the discussion
regarding UI reform. Of course I could be way off base here, and if I am
please do set me straight; if I need some edumacating regarding the
state of OOo/LibO do edumacatify me!

Regards,

Lee Hyde.

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Re: [tdf-discuss] Copyright Assignments & the Document Foundation

2010-11-06 Thread Alexandro Colorado

On Sat, 06 Nov 2010 12:04:36 -0600, Ian  wrote:

On Sat, 2010-11-06 at 18:55 +0100, Gianluca Turconi wrote:

Il 06/11/2010 17.50, Robert Holtzman ha scritto:
> That's fine as long as those hands remain benevolent. Not always a  
good

> assumption.

If you think so, no foundation is needed at all.
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To me, the main reason to have a Foundation is to have a central place
to gather and administer resources. Democratic or benevolent
dictatorship? That is an entirely different debate.

The goal of doing this is to generate income for the foundation, so having  
an audit on the administration doesn't really acomplish anything. Just  
show distrust to generate income. At the same time, even if such distrust  
exist, it doesnt really matter as long as it shows (with actions more than  
number) that is reaching it's goal.

In other words, you dont care if a government has corruption inside it's  
administration as long as you see performing well. Doing constant audits  
doesn't really matter if there is no 'jobs' or whatever is needed in the  
country.

You can apply the same thing to any other service public or private.  
Liability is a factor of life.

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Re: [tdf-discuss] LibO program icon brainstorming

2010-10-29 Thread Alexandro Colorado

On Fri, Oct 29, 2010 at 5:01 PM, Ivan M.  wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> The number of proposals has grown considerably enough to (IMO) justify
> their own page, so I have moved the proposals to the Branding section
> of the marketing wiki:
> http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Marketing/Branding/Mimetype_Icons/Proposals

I am just comming into the discussion, would like to bring new ideas
to the icons. Just to mentioned the iWorks and KOffice icons so maybe
we could think more richly of LibO direction.
iWorks
http://globalmoxie.com/bm~pix/iwork~s400x400.png
KOffice
http://pinheiro-kde.blogspot.com/2009/03/koffice-icons-2-highdef-ones.html

Supporting the marketing callconf the point of avoiding cloning OOo
and start thinking more about creating something 'fresher'.

Also some of the things going on at Educoo:
OOo4Kids: 
http://eric.bachard.free.fr/OOo4Kids/Screenshots/december_2009/31st_december/OOo4Kids_0.6_StartCenter.png
OOoLight: 
http://eric.bachard.free.fr/OOoLight/startcenter/OOoLight_test2_06sept.png
> There's a link to the new page on the Marketing Ideas wiki page.
>
> Regards,
> Ivan.
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[tdf-discuss] Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Oracle's OpenOffice in Libre Software World Conference

2010-10-25 Thread Alexandro Colorado

On Mon, Oct 25, 2010 at 2:39 AM, timofonic timofonic wrote:

> Hello.
>
> I'm not sure what one of the two mailing lists suits best, so I reply
> in both because it may have different topis on each thread.
>
> Oracle's OpenOffice (oOO) is going to participate in the Libre
> Software World Conference (LSWC).
>
> LSWC is the spiritual sucessor of the Open Source World Conference
> (OSWC), that got canceled 20 days before celebration due to supossed
> economical issues. LSWC replaces this event and will be celebated at
> 27 October in Malaga (Andalucia, Spain, Europe).
>
> I would like to inform you about this and if there are any plans in
> respect to it. Maybe a group of volunteers can come in with some The
> Document Foundation's LibreOffice T-shirts (you can send me the logo
> in vectorized version, PDF and such is preferred), for example ;)
>
> http://www.libresoftwareworldconference.org
>
> Sorry for saying it too late, but I checked the program today
> (
> http://www.libresoftwareworldconference.org/index.php/en/about-the-conference/agenda
> ).
>
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I had an exchange with some of the core organizer's of the event which they
pull it off in 15 days. Unfortunately they dont have the huge budget that
OSWC had. So they are open to anyone that can make it to the event. They
told me they wanted to have people from TDF but they can't afford pay any
speaker expense.

However if the speaker can manage himself to get to it, he will be welcomed.
They also told me that Oracle's speaker is paying his own expenses as well,
mainly because he got invited to the Valencian educational lliurex event.

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Re: [tdf-discuss] RE: Localized marketing mailing lists - based on regions rather than on languages

2010-10-19 Thread Alexandro Colorado

On Mon, Oct 18, 2010 at 10:40 PM, Jean-Christophe Helary <
jean.christophe.hel...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > • From: Bernhard Dippold
> > • Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2010 20:46:30 +0200
>
> > 2) Name these lists according to the ISO country code of the most active
> group inside this region.
>
> It is unlikely that EN-CA and FR-CA will share the same marketing tools.
>
> If we use country codes, we can use language/region codes as well.
>
> > 5) Most of the languages are mainly spoken in one area only, so there is
> no need to differ between language and region. (In these cases ISO code for
> language and country are often the same)
>
> See above. There are plenty of countries with multiple linguistic
> communities.
>
> Also, for the US, you could totally conceive a ES-US marketing activity to
> focus on the Latino needs in the US.
>
>
> Jean-Christophe Helary
> 
> fun: http://mac4translators.blogspot.com
> work: http://www.doublet.jp (ja/en > fr)
> tweets: http://twitter.com/brandelune
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I am coming 180 on this idea of lists, I think the fewer the best. The
pulverization of lists, will actually weaken marketing efforts. I would hate
to come to a project and have to sign to 10 based on my gender, language,
location, race, specialty, etc just to find that I am the only one on that
list. The more people we can get on a single efforts the best it could be. I
dont see any conflict having efforts happening in 10 different countries all
being solved withing one unique list.

As opposed to forum topics, lists are dividers, as opposed to a global
search on a forum that could go across different topics, on a list, you are
restricted to your inbox search and usually just go through that specific
list.

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Re: Re: [tdf-discuss] Basic question about Oracle asking OOo community members to leave

2010-10-19 Thread Alexandro Colorado

On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 3:56 AM, Ramon Sole  wrote:

> Jean-Christophe Helary wrote:
> >> On 18/10/10 21:32, Ramon Sole wrote:
> >>> Hello *,
> >>>
> >>> I'm not talking about Charles, but i.e in the Spanish Communitiy the
> >>> Project Leader has closed the subscription to the OOo spanish mailing
> >>> lists with the label "Migrating lists to TDF", and you can only easily
> >>> subscribe to the TDF lists.
> >
> > If the Spanish community has agreed to move to TDF then there are not
> reasons why that should not happen.
>
> But Spanish Community didn't agree anything, so there are some reasons
> why that shouldn't have happen.
>

Just to clarify, we are not migrating to TDF. We will be migrating to our
own lists. Although that was the original intention, we decided is better
off to have control of our own infrastructure before agreen to some external
TOS, from TDF Educoo or OOo.


>
> >
> >>> What would you do if you were in charge of
> >>> the OOo project after such things?
> >
> > I would seriously reconsider the way I deal with my volunteer
> communities.
>
> Agree. And that's they're doing exactly. They're asking TDF involved
> people to resign from their OOo responsabilities. Nobody asked to nobody
> to leave the Ooo Community. They're just asking to resign from official
> responsabilities.
>
> >
> >
> > Jean-Christophe Helary
> > 
> > fun: http://mac4translators.blogspot.com
> > work: http://www.doublet.jp (ja/en > fr)
> > tweets: http://twitter.com/brandelune
> >
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Re: [tdf-discuss] [SC] How to define "Membership" within TDF?

2010-10-19 Thread Alexandro Colorado

2010/10/18 André Schnabel 

> Hi,
>
> as you all know, we are working to make The Document Foundation an
> independent self-governing meritocratic Foundation. This Foundation should
> be lead by it's members, based on their merit.
>
> One of the very basic questions to answer is:
>  "Who is a member at TDF."
>
> Well - we (the Steering Committee) do not have a detailed answer on this,
> as we think that the voice of our contributors should be respected for this
> very important topic. So we want to discuss this here, before we come to a
> decision.
>
> To get things started, I put some notes at the wiki:
>   http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/TDF/Membership
>

Maybe defining what is not a member, could help out clear things up.



>
> These are initial thoughts, but I hope, you get the idea, what we are
> heading for. Please read and send comments to the mailinglist (
> discuss@documentfoundation.org). For the first days I would not suggest to
> go deeply into details - we should get the general picture first (e.g. the
> very basic principles).
>
> For discussion please use this mailinglist and try to keep the thread
> alive. If a new thread is started, please add at least the tag [SC] and the
> word "Membership" in the subject.
>
> I'm looking forward to a constructive discussion,
>
> André
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Re: [tdf-discuss] Oracle to put effort to OOo

2010-10-16 Thread Alexandro Colorado

On Thu, Oct 14, 2010 at 11:27 AM, M. Fioretti  wrote:

> On Thu, Oct 14, 2010 10:33:00 AM -0500, Eduardo Moreno (
> emor...@tokonhu.com) wrote:
>
> > When will we see the integration of OpenOffice.org with other Oracle
> > products?  I have not read about OpenOffice.org / Primavera, Export
> > to ODF from Oracle ERP, etc.
>
> I don't know anything about Oracle ERP. This said, ODF is completely
> open and simple enough to hack that "export to ODF" shouldn't really
> be a problem, or anything for which anybody should ask permission or
> any special effort to Oracle. See as example of what I mean this:
>
> http://freesoftware.zona-m.net/node/25
>
> or any other example in the ODF scripting area of the same website:
> http://freesoftware.zona-m.net/odf-scripting
>
> Is Oracle ERP so complicated that you can't use the same approach?
> Offlist answers are fine, since, now that I think about it, this
> really has nothing to do with LibO or TDF, has it?
>


It does to a point since it introduces the topic of will LibO make efforts
to integrate with Enterprise software. Specially open enterprise software
like Pentaho, SugarCRM, vTiger, Alfresco and such.

What would it take, well first understand about how to connect the protocols
needed to work seamlessly. Things like Webdav and such are in place, but is
very 'hidden' to regular users. Having enterprise extensions could help
bringing those features up front.


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Re: [tdf-discuss] LibO roadmap?

2010-10-16 Thread Alexandro Colorado

On Mon, Oct 11, 2010 at 2:31 AM, Cedric Bosdonnat <
cedric.bosdonnat@free.fr> wrote:

> Hello Jacques,
>
> On Fri, 2010-10-08 at 22:57 +0200, Mounier Jacques wrote:
> > I want to congratulate you for the courage you have shown in creating
> this
> >  new project.
>
> Thanks for your encouragements: it's always appreciated ;)
>
> > It is possible to have some rumors about LibO roadmap?
> > What are the criteria for development? Issue Tracker (Number of votes
> and/
> > or Age)?
> > Comparison with the competitors (MsOffice)? At the discretion of
> Developer
> > s? etc
>
> I'm not sure there is a roadmap yet. We currently are merging patches
> coming from different contributors: further developments aren't
> targetted yet ;)
>
>
> > Just a personal opinion, I'd like to see improvements in LOWriter...
> >
> > http://bibliographic.openoffice.org/
> >
> http://www.openoffice.org/nonav/issues/showattachment.cgi/71959/Alphabetic
> > al_Index.pdf
> >
> > Many people (students, scholars, technical writers, etc) want a word
> proce
> > ssor,
> > but with much greater indexing and authoring tools (You could involve
> Univ
> > ersities as partners?).
>
> As Writer developer I would be really interested in improving that...
> though I have no idea of the requirements behing bibliographic works.
> Would you be able to get some people helping to describe what needs to
> be done? If you can find some other developers interested in hacking
> that part, I'm ready to help them getting started!
>

I am very positive about making improvements on things like Writer, however
I don't know many people use the bibliographic features.  On the opposite I
know about many things that many users used, that could be fixed straight
away and improve the usability on many users.

Things like being able to change the orientation of an OOo page, without
needing to do so many clicks and changing styles and so forth.

Easily implementing the numbering of pages without also a lot of clicking.

Image orientation should also be simpler, with a better way to get it the
way the users want to. There are a lot of decisions to make (on pages, on
paragraph, on characters). Most users get confused and also don't see to see
this dialog, mostly they want to arange it through mouse behaviors. Lighting
the area  when clicking on an image could also help this issues, or at least
be aware.

So I guess my point is let's improve on the users most used features, and go
from there to build a better experience for the user.

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[tdf-discuss] TechRepublic post about LibreOffice

Just to keep the media coverage, this is the article by Jack Wallen about
LibreOffice:

http://blogs.techrepublic.com.com/opensource/?p79&tag=nl.e101

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Re: [tdf-discuss] OpenOffice and LibO user technical help requests

On Mon, Oct 4, 2010 at 5:29 AM, Marc Paré  wrote:

>  There seems to be more and more open discussions on installing the LibO
> software on the official Mandriva user-help discussion group "
> us...@openoffice.org". As this is quite an active group, there is a lot o
f
> trouble-shooting going as well as user support for the (now) official Ora
cle
> OpenOffice Suite, there are a lot of questions re: the fate of Oracle's
> OpenOffice.
>
> I fear that if they end up on the LibO mailist, these users may find the
> threads too chaotic and wild for any of their request for support. Would
it
> make sense then to open up a mailist similar to the "us...@openoffice.org
"
> to help out with the support aspect of the suite? I think that collective
ly
> we could help out while they transition from the OpenOffice to LibO suite
.
> They are mostly every day users who are not interested in helping out wit
h
> the creation of the LibreOffice site.
>

So far there is a forum for support  at http://libreofficeforum.org we have
locales for Spanish, English and German. Hope this will help, there are
locale infrastructure being worked out right now.

I think this mailing list is also a bit restricted (not many tools like a
majordomo one).


>
> We shouldn't lose sight of the fact that we will gain more users if we ca
n
> help them without causing them too much concern. If we can create a "
> us...@libreoffice.org" mailist, then it would sit comfortably and familia
r
> with them. Or even better if called "usersupp...@libreoffice.org" or
> something else that is specifically there for obvious user technical help
. I
> have been on the us...@openoffice.org forever and the people who make use
> of it are quite a transient group. The majority of them are people just
> looking for immediate technical help that they need on a document or
> settings.
>
> Is there anything that we could do for them? I believe that we have peopl
e
> here now who are/were regulars on that particular mailist. We could help
> them out with their problems. Maybe there is something here already for
> them?
>
> The LibO user mailist would have to be well advertised and very visible o
n
> the main LibreOffice site to be useful. Most of these users have little
> experience on using the suite and just want a quick spot to ask for help.
>
> Marc
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Re: [tdf-discuss] LibreOffice font typeset

On Mon, Oct 4, 2010 at 3:57 AM, Italo Vignoli wrot
e:

> Alexandro Colorado wrote:
> > What font does LibreOffice use?
>
> Vegur, is a free font easily available on the web
>

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[tdf-discuss] LibreOffice font typeset

What font does LibreOffice use?

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Re: [tdf-discuss] [GENERAL] New name

2010-10-03 Thread Alexandro Colorado

On Sun, Oct 3, 2010 at 8:55 PM, Charles Marcus w
rote:

> On 2010-10-03 5:10 PM, Charles-H. Schulz wrote:
> > Let me clear so that we can move on: Unless Oracle gives us the
> > trademark of OpenOffice.org, we're using LibreOffice, and some people
> > love it, some people hate it, but as a matter of fact, we're not
> > changing it anymore, so it's useless to request a change.
>
> It would be impossible to please everyone. I like it personally, but
> understand the arguments of those that don't - that said, it is not
> something that can just be changed at the drop of a hat, so, LibreOffice
> it is... :)
>

I don't mind LibreOffice, is actually a great name for spanish speakers.
However this is not really a name but a placeholder. We still officially
OpenOffice.org until Oracle officially deny us the name. At least that's ho
w
I consider things are. So if such, we could have an open discussion on the
list about what the community at large consider a first name. Remember that
at the moment everything is Beta, the foundation, the community and
eventually the product.

Having a GPLv3-type discussion might not be beneficiary because of the time
could be blury, but I think a public discussion should be encouraged. At th
e
end of the day, a friendly name might benefit all of us.

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Re: [tdf-discuss] [GENERAL] New name

2010-10-03 Thread Alexandro Colorado

On Sun, Oct 3, 2010 at 3:58 PM, Alexandro Colorado wrot
e:

>
>
> On Sun, Oct 3, 2010 at 3:31 PM, Mirek M.  wrote:
>
>> 2010/10/3 Graham Lauder 
>>
>> > On Sunday 03 Oct 2010 20:55:11 Jean Hollis Weber wrote:
>> > > On Sun, 2010-10-03 at 19:21 +1300, Graham Lauder wrote:
>> > > > Antonio,
>> > > > You in fact wear the best argument for a unique name in your sig.
>>  Who
>> > is
>> > > > arguably the most successful Open Source company:  Red Hat
>> > > >
>> > > > What in gods name does a Red Hat have to do with software other th
an
>> > give
>> > > > them a really cool logo.
>> > > >
>> > > > This discussion is indicative, much of marketing is about creating
>> > buzz.
>> > > > I would like a name that leads to a logo that is sexy enough for
>> people
>> > > > to use as a desktop background, Redhat does and Fedora and Firefox
.
>>  I
>> > > > was looking at the "LibO" abbreviation and the thing that I sudden
ly
>> > saw
>> > > > was LbD, or LBD which is abrreviation for "Little Black Dress",
>> > suddenly
>> > > > I see a very cool logo and marketing campaign and a buzz.  One gre
at
>> > > > thing is that LBD is cool to both men and women, both groups tend
to
>> > > > like the way they look.
>> > > >
>> > > > What has it to do with Office suites? About the same amount that
>> > Computer
>> > > > Operating systems have to do with Hats.
>> > > >
>> > > > But dang what a buzz it would cause:  An office suite that was sex
y,
>> > now
>> > > > THAT would be cool to market.
>> > > >
>> > > > Cheers
>> > > > GL
>> > >
>> > > Graham, you & I think alike! But I should have thought of Red Hat wh
en
>> I
>> > > was hurling out examples. And... Hmmm a sexy office suite? I'm
>> sure
>> > > someone could manage that, without it being also sexist.
>> > >
>> > > Cheers, Jean
>> >
>> > A name that sounds like a Latin Dance, Salsa, or Tango Both open sourc
e
>> > projects already unfortunately
>> >
>> > Red Hat is cool because it engenders an emotional response.  Red and
>> black
>> > is
>> > sophisticated, the logo is a hat with a rakish tilt on it, hiding the
>> > wearers
>> > eyes, it makes the viewer curious, wanting to find out more.  It evoke
s
>> a
>> > whole Film Noir feel to it as well, as though that's Bogart hiding und
er
>> > there... (with Bacall on his arm in an LBD  ok ok not going there..  ;
)
>> )
>> >
>> > Obviously these are not things that people actually think, I'm just
>> trying
>> > to
>> > allow people access to the emotional response
>> >
>> > It works on many levels but it is emotional before it is informative,
>> which
>> > is
>> > as a logo and branding should be.
>> >
>> > I like Latin dance sounding names, they're emotional, sound cool off t
he
>> > tongue and they're sexy But not sexist!  :D
>> >
>>
>> I was thinking more along the lines of something breezy, simple, short,
>> and
>> refreshing, to contrast with the depressing and dull connotations of
>> "Office" and "iWork".
>> I've been trying to brainstorm different names. I was thinking that I
>> associate "refreshing" with cool water or lemonade with ice, a straw and
>> an
>> umbrella/sunshade. "Pulp" sounds nice and quick, but it's quite overused
.
>> Maybe something similar? (I really like the feeling one-syllable words
>> invoke: they sound simple.)
>>
>
> I am sorry Pulp sound like an insult to a non-english speaker. If you are
> talking phonetics I wouldnt go with pulp. Actually phonetically sounds to
o
> close to porn.
>

Sorry sent too quick, I thought about "evergreen" or "everglade", animal
like, "silverback" "impala" "rabitthole" "kariboo"  something quick maybe
"igloo", "Aqua" "falcon" or just funny "glitter" "glee" "karma" "bazinga"
althought probably get sue by Big Bang Theory, "banzoo"

yes phonetically I will go with 'u' as is a softer sound than a strong 'o',
also syllabic type cons

Re: [tdf-discuss] [GENERAL] New name

2010-10-03 Thread Alexandro Colorado

On Sun, Oct 3, 2010 at 3:31 PM, Mirek M.  wrote:

> 2010/10/3 Graham Lauder 
>
> > On Sunday 03 Oct 2010 20:55:11 Jean Hollis Weber wrote:
> > > On Sun, 2010-10-03 at 19:21 +1300, Graham Lauder wrote:
> > > > Antonio,
> > > > You in fact wear the best argument for a unique name in your sig.
>  Who
> > is
> > > > arguably the most successful Open Source company:  Red Hat
> > > >
> > > > What in gods name does a Red Hat have to do with software other tha
n
> > give
> > > > them a really cool logo.
> > > >
> > > > This discussion is indicative, much of marketing is about creating
> > buzz.
> > > > I would like a name that leads to a logo that is sexy enough for
> people
> > > > to use as a desktop background, Redhat does and Fedora and Firefox.
>  I
> > > > was looking at the "LibO" abbreviation and the thing that I suddenl
y
> > saw
> > > > was LbD, or LBD which is abrreviation for "Little Black Dress",
> > suddenly
> > > > I see a very cool logo and marketing campaign and a buzz.  One grea
t
> > > > thing is that LBD is cool to both men and women, both groups tend t
o
> > > > like the way they look.
> > > >
> > > > What has it to do with Office suites? About the same amount that
> > Computer
> > > > Operating systems have to do with Hats.
> > > >
> > > > But dang what a buzz it would cause:  An office suite that was sexy
,
> > now
> > > > THAT would be cool to market.
> > > >
> > > > Cheers
> > > > GL
> > >
> > > Graham, you & I think alike! But I should have thought of Red Hat whe
n
> I
> > > was hurling out examples. And... Hmmm a sexy office suite? I'm su
re
> > > someone could manage that, without it being also sexist.
> > >
> > > Cheers, Jean
> >
> > A name that sounds like a Latin Dance, Salsa, or Tango Both open source
> > projects already unfortunately
> >
> > Red Hat is cool because it engenders an emotional response.  Red and
> black
> > is
> > sophisticated, the logo is a hat with a rakish tilt on it, hiding the
> > wearers
> > eyes, it makes the viewer curious, wanting to find out more.  It evokes
 a
> > whole Film Noir feel to it as well, as though that's Bogart hiding unde
r
> > there... (with Bacall on his arm in an LBD  ok ok not going there..  ;)
 )
> >
> > Obviously these are not things that people actually think, I'm just
> trying
> > to
> > allow people access to the emotional response
> >
> > It works on many levels but it is emotional before it is informative,
> which
> > is
> > as a logo and branding should be.
> >
> > I like Latin dance sounding names, they're emotional, sound cool off th
e
> > tongue and they're sexy But not sexist!  :D
> >
>
> I was thinking more along the lines of something breezy, simple, short, a
nd
> refreshing, to contrast with the depressing and dull connotations of
> "Office" and "iWork".
> I've been trying to brainstorm different names. I was thinking that I
> associate "refreshing" with cool water or lemonade with ice, a straw and
an
> umbrella/sunshade. "Pulp" sounds nice and quick, but it's quite overused.
> Maybe something similar? (I really like the feeling one-syllable words
> invoke: they sound simple.)
>

I am sorry Pulp sound like an insult to a non-english speaker. If you are
talking phonetics I wouldnt go with pulp. Actually phonetically sounds too
close to porn.


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> > Cheers
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Re: [tdf-discuss] [GENERAL] New name

tanding and
> expectations. "Well, you see, the name come from..." "Yeah, forget it."
>
>  The name should not matter, what matters is that users of OpenSource/Fre
e
>> S
>> oftware folks have an office suite that is not tied up to a single compa
ny
>> or entity that will control the code.
>>
>> Antonio
>>
>
> Again, exactly correct: the name _should_ not matter. Unfortunately names
> _do_ matter. Bad names do and have sunk good projects, whilst good names
> have successfully sold bad projects.
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For the record LibreOffice is perfect in Italian, Spanish and Portguese and
most Romantic languages so I guess just certain language could struggle wit
h
the pronuciation. Also Libre come from FLOSS, most people know and pronounc
e
Free/Libre/Open Source Software with no issue including americans.

Libre means Free from freedom, so there is really a more exact cognotaion
since Open Source vs Free Software, LibreOffice get us back to freedom and
not just being open.

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Re: [tdf-discuss] Compile problems

probably a question for the libreoffice mailinglist at freedesktop

On Sat, Oct 2, 2010 at 8:17 PM, Marco ''AlpVonKri'' Flores <
alpvon...@opensuse.org> wrote:

> Has anyone successfully compiled LibreOffice in openSUSE 11.3 with KDE
> 4, I'm stuck with a problem, I do the following:
>
> > ./configure --with-distro=SUSE-11.2*This is the mos
> recent version, there is not 11.3 in the source
> > ./download
> > make
>
> And then it says:
>
> ...
> checking for Qt headers... /usr/lib64/qt3/include
> checking for Qt libraries... /usr/lib64/qt3/lib64
> checking for moc... /usr/bin/moc
> checking for KDE headers... no
> configure: error: KDE headers not found.  Please specify the root of
> your KDE installation by exporting KDEDIR before running "configure".
> make: *** [stamp/build] Error 1
>
>
> I have the packages "libkde4-devel & libkdecore4-devel" installed, so
> why is this happening and how do I solve it, any help would be great.
> :D
>
> Best regards.
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Re: [tdf-discuss] The Document Foundation Planet is now live

On Sat, Oct 2, 2010 at 9:30 AM, Florian Effenberger <
flo...@documentfoundation.org> wrote:

> Hi,
>
> Am 02.10.2010 um 16:27 schrieb Volker Merschmann:
>
> > Thank you for that. Is it possible to add a rss-feed, so I can read
> > them all together?
>
> any author who wants can have his feed added.
>

Thanks Florian http://www.alexandrocolorado.com/wordpress/?feed=atom&cat
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Re: [tdf-discuss] LibreOffice general ideas and suggestions

On Sat, Oct 2, 2010 at 2:18 PM, Vamsi Kodali  wrote:

>
>
> On Sat, 2010-10-02 at 15:00 -0400, Charles Marcus wrote:
> > There also really needs to be a very, very simple way that users can
> > contribute Microsoft Office documents that do not 'translate' well (hav
e
> > formatting problems) when opened with LibreOffice... meaning, improving
> > the MSO filters should have its own dedicated, simple to use reporting
> > system that any end user can use, without having to sign up for an
> > account somewhere.
>
> As much as I like the idea of users contributing MSO files that don't
> convert properly, I wonder how many would actually be open to the idea
> of sharing their personal files... Nevertheless, it may be a good idea
> to ask the users.
>

We used to have a tool like that, very simple just upload generate a ID and
report the ID to the mailing list with a personalized form for extra
information. This was very well used by users which thought it was a great
idea. Most users didn't mind sharing this personal data, they will only
delete possible sensitvie information. but for the most part, this
facilitated speed up the support procedures.



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Re: [tdf-discuss] LibreOffice general ideas and suggestions

On Fri, Oct 1, 2010 at 3:08 PM, Charles Marcus w
rote:

> On 2010-09-29 12:43 PM, Clayton Walker wrote:
> > So you're suggesting that we make a mailing list of ideas/feature
> > requests? Doesn't that seem like it should belong on a forum or a
> > web-site where people can submit ideas, and vote on them? If we had one
> > of these, I would be glad to submit a few ideas.
>
> That's what bug reporters are for - but I do hope t hat whatever
> LibreOffice decides to use for a bug reporter is many orders of
> magnitude easier to use than the one Openoffice.org uses...
>

OOo wasn't really that hard to get, compared to other bug reports the form
is pretty standarized. However? The big issue was to know who is responsibl
e
for each proyect in order to generate the issue. If we can get rid of that,
it will help the new users enormously.


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Re: [tdf-discuss] [OT] Interview on LibreOffice

On Fri, Oct 1, 2010 at 4:37 PM, Cor Nouws  wrote:

> Hi Alexandro,
>
> Alexandro Colorado wrote (01-10-10 20:02)
>
>  2010/10/1 Jesús Corrius
>>
>
>  Thanks for the interview and congratulations.
>>>
>>> But I think you should have stressed a bit more the importance of the
>>> Document Foundation and LibreOffice. It's not just a fork, we are
>>> brining the community and the product to the 21st century! This is one
>>> small step for a seagull but one giant leap for mankind(*)
>>>
>>
>> I'll try to be be ore dramatic next time :)
>>
>
> That really sounds as if you like to be on stage ;-)
>

I am the community lead, I have to be on stage.


> I think our FAQs are clear enough on this and other subjects:
> http://www.documentfoundation.org/faq/ Do you feel that too?
>

feeling? personally I think it was 9 years overdue.


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Re: [tdf-discuss] Hi there

On Fri, Oct 1, 2010 at 12:11 PM, Pedro Corá  wrote:

> I'm not totally aware of the agreement, but if thats correct, LibreOffice
> will need to have 2 portuguese versions. pt-br and pt.
>

Just to clear this up, in the OOo community there is a pt-br and a pt
language. pt-br community is known as BrOffice, and in portugual is the sam
e
OpenOffice.org just with a pt locale. The community are lead by Claudio
Filho and Paulo Viella respectively both are also part of the LibreOffice
community.

As for Spanish is only one community as is lead by OOoES organization which
I lead. We do have a convention and a glossary for documentation and wordin
g
style.


>
> Anyway, can anyone tell me how this is gonna happend? And if I can help?
No
> one told me that yet.
>
> Regards,
>
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>
>
> On Fri, Oct 1, 2010 at 1:13 PM, csol...@gmail.com 
> wrote
> :
>
> > As far as I'm concerned, the agreement is only for orthography, not for
> > vocabulary. It's also similar to what happens with Spanish (Spain vs.
> > Latin-America) and English (England vs. US).
> > - Carlos Solís
> >
> >
> > 2010/9/30 Pedro Corá 
> >
> > > Hi Rictec and others.
> > >
> > > Very interesting this idea of having only one Portuguese version. But
 a
> ll
> > ow
> > > me to ask, the agreement defines that Portuguese in Brazil and in Por
tu
> ga
> > l
> > > (yes, I know that other portuguese language countries signed that too
)
> ar
> > e
> > > going to have the exact same "words"? Like, on windows, the FILE menu
 i
> n
> > > pt-br is Arquivo and in pt is Ficheiro, right? With the agreement, th
ey
>  a
> > re
> > > gonna be just one?
> > >
> > > Sorry for this off topic here.
> > >
> > > Regards to all,
> > >
> > > Pedro Corá
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> > > *flickr.com/pedro*
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Thu, Sep 30, 2010 at 9:32 PM, Rictec  wrote:
> > >
> > > > Hi people
> > > > i welcome this  move also its a very necessary move that i was wait
in
> g
> > > > for so long.
> > > > thank for doing it it will help Libreoffice grow independently.
> > > >
> > > > as Pedro is saying he can translate to Portuguese i send him this l
in
> k
> > > > maybe using it will prevent from having a pt and a br language vers
io
> n.
> > > > http://www.portaldalinguaportuguesa.org/?actionlince
> > > >
> > > > for the non Portuguese speakers this is a program that implements t
he
> > > > portuguese language agreement it will be mandatory soon on all
> > > > portuguese public sector i think.
> > > >
> > > > Rictec
> > > >
> > > > Qui, 2010-09-30 às 20:51 -0300, Pedro Corá escreveu:
> > > > > Hello,
> > > > >
> > > > > My name is Pedro and I`m writing to offer my help to build this a
ma
> zi
> > ng
> > > > > project.
> > > > >
> > > > > I currently work as a support engineer at Atlassian and I could h
el
> p
> > wi
> > > th
> > > > > translations (I`m brazilian, so I can translate to portuguese), h
el
> p
> > wi
> > > th
> > > > > documentations and with IT infrastructure if necessary.
> > > > >
> > > > > Regards,
> > > > >
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Re: [tdf-discuss] [OT] Interview on LibreOffice

2010/10/1 Jesús Corrius 

> On Thu, Sep 30, 2010 at 9:46 AM, Alexandro Colorado 
> wr
> ote:
> > Just want to point to an interview I recently gave on a Mexican podcast
> > regarding the libreoffice project and the Document Foundation. The inte
rv
> iew
> > is in spanish and starts on the minute 21.
> > http://www.alexandrocolorado.com/wordpress/?pƒ6<http://www.alexand
rocolorado.com/wordpress/?p%C6%926>
>
> Thanks for the interview and congratulations.
>
> But I think you should have stressed a bit more the importance of the
> Document Foundation and LibreOffice. It's not just a fork, we are
> brining the community and the product to the 21st century! This is one
> small step for a seagull but one giant leap for mankind(*)
>


I'll try to be be ore dramatic next time :)


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[tdf-discuss] [OT] Interview on LibreOffice

2010-09-30 Thread Alexandro Colorado

Just want to point to an interview I recently gave on a Mexican podcast
regarding the libreoffice project and the Document Foundation. The interview
is in spanish and starts on the minute 21.
http://www.alexandrocolorado.com/wordpress/?p=836

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Re: [tdf-discuss] Join in of the TechTeam from OpenOffice.org Switzerland

On Wed, Sep 29, 2010 at 6:07 PM, Raphael Bircher  wrote:

>  Hi Andreas
>
> Am 30.09.10 00:22, schrieb Andrea Pescetti:
>
>  Goran Rakic wrote:
>>
>>> QATrack was developed by Per Eriksson, he is a Sweden native-language
>>> project co-lead[3], is this code available?
>>>
>> QATrack until 1.0 was written by me and released under LGPL>= 2.1, with
>> copyright shared by me and Sun (I signed the JCA several years ago and
>> this qualifies as a contribution to the OOo project and is thus covered
>> by the JCA).
>>
>> Then Per took over and wrote 2.0 and the following versions.
>>
>> As far as I know, the QATrack sources for 1.0 and 2.0 (but I cannot find
>> the most recent ones there) were contributed to the QA CVS repository:
>> http://qa.openoffice.org/source/browse/qa/qatrack/ and actually
>> http://qatrack.services.openoffice.org/about.php still points to it (see
>> footer).
>>
> Maybe this is not a bad idea. Well I don't know QATrack well, but if it's
> possible to simply write a module for QATrack, it would be great. I mean,
> it's probabely the fastest way to get a good result. I will write down a
> small concept for the first version soon.
>
> I was finding also same other tools who are already finished. A list from
> QA Tools are under http://www.opensourcetesting.org/testmgt.php
>
> But we want a simple tool who makes everyone able tu do tests. Moast of the
> tools on this site are to complicate. I think we have not a big chance to
> find a tool who is directly ready to use. I think we will have a simple tool
> with spezific whishs. But I don't want to write a complet new tool.
>


I notify this to Per, he told me he will get in touch with Florian since
there is a more updated version on the live servers so he will probably need
to perform a separate install for the documentation project. Since he will
speak to Florian I think is the best way to settle this.


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Re: [tdf-discuss] LibreOfficeForum.org is now functioning

On Wed, Sep 29, 2010 at 11:45 PM, Marc Paré  wrote:

>  Le 2010-09-30 00:37, Sam a écrit :
>
>  Hello Document Foundation / LibreOffice,
>>
>> I just wanted to say that I appreciate very much your efforts to improve
>> upon the
>> OpenOffice suite and make it more open to everyone in the form of
>> LibreOffice. I
>> personally spend many hours every day on OpenOffice, so this new
>> initiative is very
>> important to me.
>>
>> I would like to offer to the LibreOffice community a support forum that I
>> have just
>> created on a reliable host:
>> http://libreofficeforum.org
>> It is my hope that LibreOfficeForum.org will serve as a central point for
>> English
>> language support. I am also fluent in the Spanish language, and if
>> necessary I could
>> create a similar forum for that language if you would like. I have been
>> administering
>> community forums with Drupal for quite a few years now, and I feel
>> confident that with
>> the help of some additional honest, polite moderators, we could maintain a
>> high level of
>> organization on LibreOfficeForum.org.
>>
>> Please let me know your thoughts. Thanks again for your time and efforts.
>>
>> Sincerely,
>> Sam
>>
>>
> From what I understand:
>
> Keep in mind though, that the Document Foundation is waiting to see if
> Oracle will donate back the trademarked "OpenOffice" name to the foundation.
> It they do, then there would be no need for this is the Document Foundation
> would only set up shop with the regular OpenOffice forums that were already
> there.
>

Right, however there is no set timelimit for an Oracle response, some had
said 2 months some have said at the end of the year, and some just 2 weeks.
So there is really not even a consensus on how long to wait.


>
> This may be nice temporarily, unless the Document Foundation is planning to
> setup their official forums under the LibreOffice.org umbrella site. Which,
> at this point we don't know. All rests on Oracle's response to the Document
> Foundation request for the name donation.
>

Moving this to a central infrastructure can always be fixable by just adding
a pointer from a subdomain, or phisically moving it to a different server.
However from my experience not everyone likes a mailing list to communicate
and you might be surprised that Forums are actually more popular than
mailing list. So having a different channel specially right now, is very
useful.  My 2 cents.



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Re: [tdf-discuss] LibreOfficeForum.org is now functioning

On Wed, Sep 29, 2010 at 11:37 PM, Sam  wrote:

> Hello Document Foundation / LibreOffice,
>
> I just wanted to say that I appreciate very much your efforts to improve
> upon the
> OpenOffice suite and make it more open to everyone in the form of
> LibreOffice. I
> personally spend many hours every day on OpenOffice, so this new initiative
> is very
> important to me.
>
> I would like to offer to the LibreOffice community a support forum that I
> have just
> created on a reliable host:
> http://libreofficeforum.org
> It is my hope that LibreOfficeForum.org will serve as a central point for
> English
> language support. I am also fluent in the Spanish language, and if
> necessary I could
> create a similar forum for that language if you would like. I have been
> administering
> community forums with Drupal for quite a few years now, and I feel
> confident that with
> the help of some additional honest, polite moderators, we could maintain a
> high level of
> organization on LibreOfficeForum.org.
>

Would be great to add spanish support. As the lead of OpenOffice.org Spanish
and current mantainer of the OOo spanish forum I think it would be great to
start sending the forum from OOo to your forum if spanish is provided.
Regards.


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> Please let me know your thoughts. Thanks again for your time and efforts.
>
> Sincerely,
> Sam
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Re: [tdf-discuss] Correct Forum for Build Questions

On Wed, Sep 29, 2010 at 11:06 PM, Danishka Navin  wrote:

>
>
> On Thu, Sep 30, 2010 at 9:30 AM, Alexandro Colorado 
> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Sep 29, 2010 at 8:54 PM, Luis E Vásquez r > > wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Medellin, sep 29/2010
>>>
>>> Hi, people
>>>
>>> All day was  testing  LOo in different environments and multiple files
>>> and I'm really happy with the result,  among other relevant langpack
>>> install OOo, both French and Spanish  work fine.
>>>
>>>
>> Great news Luis, keep up the good work. We will probably need to setup a
>> TCM similar to the one in OOo or request it to the community.
>> The previous TCM is located here, it looks somehow basic, maybe building a
>> new TCM with better look and feel.
>>
>> http://www.sunvirtuallab.com:8001/tcm2/opensource/tcm_login.cgi?tcm_config=newooo
>>
>
>
> please try to integrate Pootle, TCM and QAtrack if possible.
> At least TCM and QAtrack. there are communities that lack of people to l10n
> and QA.
> As we are doing these for each and every major and minor release, these
> integrations make them much easier.
>


In the past I would agree but really all we need is to have compatibility
with the authentication system which could be outsource to some service like
JanRain that uses OpenID to validate users regardless of the application
they are in.
http://www.janrain.com/


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>
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>
>
>
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Best Regards,
>>> Luis E. Vásquez R.
>>> OpenOffice.org Volunteer & Support
>>> Este mensaje  se ha enviado desde Medellín, Colombia
>>> *10 Años usando exitosamente OpenOffice.org  libre, seguro y abierto*
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 2010/9/29 George Galt 
>>>
>>> On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 4:52 PM, Volker Merschmann 
>>>> wrote:
>>>> > Hi,
>>>> >
>>>> > 2010/9/28 George Galt :
>>>> >> Is this the correct forum for posting questions on building
>>>> >> LibreOffice from source?
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Thanks,
>>>> >>
>>>> >> George
>>>> > This is the only mailinglist at this moment, please ask.
>>>> >
>>>> > Volker
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > --
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>>>> >
>>>>
>>>> I'm on Fedora 13 x86_64.  I followed the instructions here:
>>>> http://www.documentfoundation.org/develop/
>>>>
>>>> FYI, for me, I needed to also install libXaw-devel even after
>>>> yum-depbuild for openoffice, I also needed to alter the auto-gen
>>>> command to: ./autogen.sh --with-distro=LibreOfficeLinux --with-git
>>>> --with-num-cpus=2 --without-junit  because I was getting complaints
>>>> that make couldn't find "Junit 4".
>>>>
>>>> Now, however, I'm stuck.  Running make ends with the following:
>>>>
>>>> 8 module(s):
>>>>tomcat
>>>>beanshell
>>>>hsqldb
>>>>rhino
>>>>saxon
>>>>lucene
>>>>qadevOOo
>>>>xmerge
>>>> need(s) to be rebuilt
>>>>
>>>> Reason(s):
>>>>
>>>> ERROR: error 65280 occurred while making
>>>> /home/ggalt/workspace/build/build/libreoffice-3.2.99.1/rhino
>>>> ERROR: error 65280 occurred while making
>>>>
>>>> /home/ggalt/workspace/build/build/libreoffice-3.2.99.1/xmerge/source/xmerge
>>>> ERROR: error 65280 occurred while making
>>>> /home/ggalt/workspace/build/build/libreoffice-3.2.99.1/lucene
>>>> ERROR: error 65280 occurred while making
>>>> /home/ggalt/workspace/build/build/libreoffice-3.2.99.1/tomcat
>>>> ERROR: error 65280 occurred while making
>>>> /home/ggalt/workspace/build/build/libreoffice-3.2.99.1/saxon
>>>> ERROR: error 65280 occurred while making
>>>> /home/ggalt/workspace/build/build/libreoffice-3.2.99.1/beanshell
>>>> ERROR: error 65280 occurred while making
>>>> /home/ggalt/workspace/build/build/libreoffice-3.2.99.1/hsqldb
>>>> ERROR: error 65280 occurred while making
>>>> /home/ggalt/workspace/build/build/libreoffice-3.2.99.1/qadevOOo
>>>>
>>>> Attention: if you fix the errors in above module(s) you may prolongue
>>>> your the build issuing command:
>>>>
>>>>build --from tomcat beanshell hsqldb rhino saxon lucene qadevOOo
>>>> xmerge
>>>>
>>>> make: *** [stamp/build] Error 1
>>>>
>>>> Any thoughts on where to go?
>>>>
>>>> George
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[tdf-discuss] SVG file for the LibreOffice logo

Hi I wonder if it's possible to have an SVG version of the LibreOffice to
create some artwork.

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Re: [tdf-discuss] CD/DVD labels

On Wed, Sep 29, 2010 at 11:08 PM, Jason Komar  wrote:

> Has anyone done any work on CD/DVD labels for LibreOffice yet? If not, is
> there any artwork available such as logo graphics, etc. so we could roll our
> own?
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Jason Komar
>

I requested the SVG logo of libreoffice but there was no respond to it yet.

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Re: [tdf-discuss] Getting up to speed

On Wed, Sep 29, 2010 at 8:12 PM, Jeff Causey wrote:

>  Hi Everyone!
>
> Been a (mostly) lurker on the OOo marketing related lists for a while with
> some very minor contributions.  I fall pretty firmly in the end user
> category.  Just a congrats to those who have been involved in helping the
> community take this step.  Not sure what I may be able to do to help out,
> but I'm here and ready if needed.
>

The less technical thing to do is to donate money through paypal.


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Re: [tdf-discuss] Correct Forum for Build Questions

On Wed, Sep 29, 2010 at 8:54 PM, Luis E Vásquez r wrote:

>
> Medellin, sep 29/2010
>
> Hi, people
>
> All day was  testing  LOo in different environments and multiple files and I'm
> really happy with the result,  among other relevant langpack install OOo,
> both French and Spanish  work fine.
>
>
Great news Luis, keep up the good work. We will probably need to setup a TCM
similar to the one in OOo or request it to the community.
The previous TCM is located here, it looks somehow basic, maybe building a
new TCM with better look and feel.
http://www.sunvirtuallab.com:8001/tcm2/opensource/tcm_login.cgi?tcm_config=newooo


>
>
> Best Regards,
> Luis E. Vásquez R.
> OpenOffice.org Volunteer & Support
> Este mensaje  se ha enviado desde Medellín, Colombia
> *10 Años usando exitosamente OpenOffice.org  libre, seguro y abierto*
>
>
>
>
> 2010/9/29 George Galt 
>
> On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 4:52 PM, Volker Merschmann 
>> wrote:
>> > Hi,
>> >
>> > 2010/9/28 George Galt :
>> >> Is this the correct forum for posting questions on building
>> >> LibreOffice from source?
>> >>
>> >> Thanks,
>> >>
>> >> George
>> > This is the only mailinglist at this moment, please ask.
>> >
>> > Volker
>> >
>> >
>> > --
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>> > ++ Office-Suite für Linux, Mac, Windows -- http://de.openoffice.org/
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>>
>> I'm on Fedora 13 x86_64.  I followed the instructions here:
>> http://www.documentfoundation.org/develop/
>>
>> FYI, for me, I needed to also install libXaw-devel even after
>> yum-depbuild for openoffice, I also needed to alter the auto-gen
>> command to: ./autogen.sh --with-distro=LibreOfficeLinux --with-git
>> --with-num-cpus=2 --without-junit  because I was getting complaints
>> that make couldn't find "Junit 4".
>>
>> Now, however, I'm stuck.  Running make ends with the following:
>>
>> 8 module(s):
>>tomcat
>>beanshell
>>hsqldb
>>rhino
>>saxon
>>lucene
>>qadevOOo
>>xmerge
>> need(s) to be rebuilt
>>
>> Reason(s):
>>
>> ERROR: error 65280 occurred while making
>> /home/ggalt/workspace/build/build/libreoffice-3.2.99.1/rhino
>> ERROR: error 65280 occurred while making
>>
>> /home/ggalt/workspace/build/build/libreoffice-3.2.99.1/xmerge/source/xmerge
>> ERROR: error 65280 occurred while making
>> /home/ggalt/workspace/build/build/libreoffice-3.2.99.1/lucene
>> ERROR: error 65280 occurred while making
>> /home/ggalt/workspace/build/build/libreoffice-3.2.99.1/tomcat
>> ERROR: error 65280 occurred while making
>> /home/ggalt/workspace/build/build/libreoffice-3.2.99.1/saxon
>> ERROR: error 65280 occurred while making
>> /home/ggalt/workspace/build/build/libreoffice-3.2.99.1/beanshell
>> ERROR: error 65280 occurred while making
>> /home/ggalt/workspace/build/build/libreoffice-3.2.99.1/hsqldb
>> ERROR: error 65280 occurred while making
>> /home/ggalt/workspace/build/build/libreoffice-3.2.99.1/qadevOOo
>>
>> Attention: if you fix the errors in above module(s) you may prolongue
>> your the build issuing command:
>>
>>build --from tomcat beanshell hsqldb rhino saxon lucene qadevOOo
>> xmerge
>>
>> make: *** [stamp/build] Error 1
>>
>> Any thoughts on where to go?
>>
>> George
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Re: [tdf-discuss] Installing Libre Office

On Wed, Sep 29, 2010 at 4:31 PM, Graham Weir  wrote:

>  I installed Libre Office to try out.  Already have/had Open Office 3.2.1
> and thought naively that I could run both together.  NO!  Libre promptly
> uninstalled Open Office in favour of itself  (Oh bugger!- a New
> Zealand expression...)  So I am now in the process of uninstalling Libre,
> re-installing Open Office and wondering what next.
> Why can I not have both?  Oh well, back to Open Office fornow.
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>
> *
>

There was a guide to do parallel installations on the list. The guide was
written previously on this ML, we would probably put a link from the
download page tho this guide.

Other guides like installing on Ubuntu through Alien are being written now.

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Re: [tdf-discuss] website improvements

On Wed, Sep 29, 2010 at 1:41 PM, csol...@gmail.com wrote:

> I'm fluent in Spanish, English, and a not-so-know artificial language named
> Ido (will leave that one for the last).
> - Carlos Solís
>
>
>
> 2010/9/29 Danishka Navin 
>
>> Hi Joaquín,
>>
>> On Wed, Sep 29, 2010 at 11:43 PM, Joaquín Bruno Huete 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> I am new in here but if for this translations there is no need of a high
>>> computer literacy I can offer my help with the Spanish version if neccesary.
>>>
>>>
>> I am sure, the Spanish community  will help you. :)
>>
>
I think Florian is doing  a great job and trying to cope with all the
development going on on the list. But as soon as we move to CMS we could
have more flexibility with localizing the site.


>
>>
>> Regards
>>>
>>>
>>> 2010/9/29 Danishka Navin 
>>>
>>> count me in.. I can take care of Sinhala
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
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>>
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Re: [tdf-discuss] Explanation . . . ?

On Wed, Sep 29, 2010 at 8:57 AM, Steven Shelton wrote:

>
> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
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>
> Okay, I get what's going on here with the new foundation being
> created, but I think the way the announcements are done is a bit
> confusing to the average person who is not an "insider" on the project.
>
> Is LibreOffice a new fork of OOo, or is this essentially the same as
> when the Mozilla Foundation completely took over the Netscape/Firefox
> project? In other words, will new versions of OpenOffice.org continue
> to be developed and supported/made available for download at
> OpenOffice.org, or is OpenOffice.org (the product) now renamed
> LibreOffice, meaning all new development will take place under that
> moniker?
>
> And is LibreOffice Beta the same as OpenOffice.org 3.3 Beta 1, but
> rebranded? What's the relationship between the two?
>
> This has GOT to be confusing to the average user. I've been fairly
> involved in OOo for years, and *I'm* confused about what's happening
> here. Can someone clear this up a bit?
>


The answer depends on oracle participation, the idea was not a fork but a
indepeendence of the community. If oracle want to work with the foundation,
we can go back to business as usual as OpenOffice.org.

However if Oracle do not want to give back the brand (which was TM back us
in the beginning). Then we will jump as fork just yet. So we are hesitant to
call it a fork since Oracle hasn't send anything official.




>
> (FWIW, this has historically been one of the major roadblocks to
> adoption of more open source software--especially linux--by "regular"
> consumers. The software seems to be designed by and for developers
> because the announcements and documentation are all aimed at the "in
> crowd" who understand what it means to compile, what a "distro" is,
> and what a "fork" is. Joe Sixpack has no way of understanding what
>

Hey you will always have joe sixpacks running around confused regardless of
how clear you can be. I don't think our goal is to eradicate the joe
sixpacks of the world.



> most of the software is, let alone distinguish between versions and
> understand how to install and use the software. If the idea is to make
> open source software more prominent, there has to be a better effort
> on the part of the open source community--for all projects--to be less
> "developer" oriented and to be more "consumer" oriented in
> documentation and promotion.)
>
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Re: [tdf-discuss] monetary donations

On Wed, Sep 29, 2010 at 10:02 AM, John Wohn  wrote:

> I would very much like to support LibreOffice but it will be a while
> before I can contribute through coding, testing, etc.
>
> http://www.documentfoundation.org/contribution/ provides a way to
> donate money but I'd like to know what the money would be used for.
> Is there any public budget or business plan?  Public accounting or
> financial statements?
>
> I'm also hesitant to donate to anything called OpenOffice because I
> don't want to send money to Oracle :)
>

Well Ooo community was never Oracle, and that is why the foundation got
created. Because we were never Oracle/Sun but yet we were under the shadow.
The Ooo German group is an NGO indpendent from Oracle since forever.



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Re: [tdf-discuss] how to unsubscribe

On Wed, Sep 29, 2010 at 3:00 AM, Uwe Brauer  wrote:

> Hello
>
> No offence meant, but given the amount of messages in this
> mailing list I prefer to read it in gmane, once it is
> subscribed there.
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> I have already sent an email to
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> Any idea what is wrong?
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> Thanks
>
> Uwe Brauer
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Re: [tdf-discuss] website improvements

On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 11:29 PM, Jonathan Zacsh  wrote:

> Hello,
>
> I'd like to improve parts of the websites design/theming and front-end
> code. This isn't a judgment on whats already been done, as its fairly
> impressive (especially since it must've been done fairly quickly) --
> this is just my effort to help out in the most immediate way I know
> how (html/css theming).
>
> To start, I could change the navigation buttons on the right-side of
> the page to be an actual unordered list of text. I could have it look
> exactly the same,but it would be real content, instead of pictures.
> Also, I could allow it (*without* javascript pre-loading images) to
> not flicker on mouse-over of each button. Also, I saw some
> html-comments in the page stating some stuff that the initial author
> didn't have the time to do, but would like to see done.
>
> Anyway, I was about to actually code these changes in html/css but I
> saw, "don't edit this page! edit the PHP instead" -- so I figured I'd
> ask for a copy of the PHP file and save some effort :)
>
> Thanks,
> Jon
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Hi Jon, thanks for your post, this leads me to ask what is the site running
on, it looks like a drupal site but I might be wrong about that. Can I get
confirmation if the group used a web app or a platform?

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Re: [tdf-discuss] Libreoffice national domain name registrations

On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 9:58 PM, Andy Brown wrote:

> On Tue Sep 28 2010 12:44:01 GMT-0700 (PDT)  Erich Christian wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> Am 28.09.2010 18:29, schrieb Harri Pitkänen:
>>
>>> In case LibreOffice stays as the official name it would be nice if the
>>> national domain names (for example libreoffice.fi) could be registered
>>> as soon as possible to avoid having them go to a scammer or other not so
>>> friendly entity.
>>>
>>
>> libreoffice.at has been already grabbed by a guy here I do not know...
>>
>>
> Just got the libreoffice.us domain registered, for the USA.  Will turn it
> over if needed/wanted.
>
> Looking forward to working with the community on this.
>
> Andy
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Got LibreOffice.mx and Libreoffice.org.ar and Libreoffice.es

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[tdf-discuss] SVG logo of LibreOffice

hi anyone have the SVG of the LibreOffice logo I would like to create so
artwork for the product.

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Re: [tdf-discuss] Licence

On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 5:58 PM, Jean-Christophe Helary <
jean.christophe.hel...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Is there a plan to move from the LGPL to the GPL for the code base ?
>

This would be wildly needed. I hope we can get some of this drivers set in
place so more developers are interesting in joining the project.



>
>
> Jean-Christophe Helary
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Re: [tdf-discuss] OOoES as sponsor

On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 5:29 PM, Florian Effenberger <
flo...@documentfoundation.org> wrote:

> Hi Alexandro,
>
> Am 29.09.2010 um 00:21 schrieb Alexandro Colorado:
>
> > yes sorry, I meant supporters.
>
> if you send me a statement, I'm happy to add it to the supporters page.
>

sent


>
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Re: [tdf-discuss] OOoES as sponsor

On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 5:15 PM, Jean Hollis Weber wrote:

> On Wed, 2010-09-29 at 00:05 +0200, Florian Effenberger wrote:
> > Hi Alexandro,
> >
> > Am 28.09.2010 um 20:38 schrieb Alexandro Colorado:
> >
> > > Hi I would like to know how we can add the Hispanic organization to the
> sponsor list. Since we just got a 24hr notice, it was hard to get the
> approval from the rest of the members to support the foundation initiative
> and hope we could get into this.
> > >
> > > OOoES would be happy to support the LibreOffice DocumentFoundation
> efforts. Hope we could hop in as soon as possible.
> >
> > we're happy to list you as sponsors, of course! Just send a
> statement/comment to i...@documentfoundation.org, so we can add it to our
> website.
> >
>
> Is this the "Supporters" page you're talking about?
>

yes sorry, I meant supporters.


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[tdf-discuss] OOoES as sponsor