Re: [board-discuss] Re: Libreoffice Vanilla
On Thu, Mar 25, 2021 at 5:42 AM Thorsten Behrens wrote: > > Hi Dennis, > > Dennis Roczek wrote: > > E.g. You know very well how long which MS Windows version is supported with > > which support plan. In the store you can only guess: > > is it > > * a live time license (buy one, only get this major release updates) > > * some X months supported license > > * buy-one-get-forever-updates license > > * something different > > > Fair points. > > Still, before exploring if/how to address one or more of the above > options, what would you (and others here!) consider a fair deal? Depends. Based on Vanilla having a release cycle close to the TDF official releases and Vanilla representing what TDF/Publisher considers general use version. ie Today this would be 7.0.3 per recent TDF announcement. I would like to see a term that ensures no less than two full update cycles and in some circumstances three updates. At no time would the user have a version not receiving active scheduled updates. 18 months I believe fills all three of my requirements. ie. When the user purchases the initial install that is version 0 - today that is LO 6.4.4 and they would receive update 1 (7.0.3) and finish with update 2 (7.1.3) and depending on where the initial purchase was early in the version 0 availability window possibly one more. (Note; IDK is there a general rule as to which minor update 6.4.x constitutes a move from the cutting edge/power user release the for general user status.) Drew > > Cheers, > > -- Thorsten -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: board-discuss+unsubscr...@documentfoundation.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/board-discuss/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
[board-discuss] Re: Libreoffice Vanilla
I lied - this is really the last comment: 32Bit binary! Why? Of the half dozen versions of LibreOffice I pulled off the MS Store this was the only one that showed up as 32bit - 64bit for all others evern the CIB branded binary. Sorry for the triple post On Tue, Mar 16, 2021 at 4:28 PM Drew Jensen wrote: > > Sorry, but one more comment: > > On the MS Store listing it would be good to actually show how long the > buyer will receive updates. > I have in my notes that it is 18 mos, but that came IIRC from the ML > and nowhere on the store listing is that spelled out, at least not > that I can find. > > Thanks again > > On Tue, Mar 16, 2021 at 3:29 PM Drew Jensen > wrote: > > > > Howdy, > > > > I paid for LibreOffice Vanilla from the MS Store last July and I now > > have a few comments and a question. > > > > I see reference in the application to making a donation to TDF. > > Why would I do that (donate) after I already purchased a license? > > (I also purchased LO powered by CIB and Collabora Office and neither > > include these references to making a donation to TDF; why would LOV be > > different? Because it cost $5 less?) > > > > It would be nice if somewhere, either at the MS Store listing or in > > the application, if there was an actual link to a contact at the > > publisher, ie CIB. > > > > Question; Last week TDF put out a statement that LibreOffice 7.0 is > > now considered the proper release for all users. Can I assume that my > > copy of LibreOffice Vanilla 6.4 will be upgraded to 7.0 shortly? > > > > Thank You > > > > Drew -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: board-discuss+unsubscr...@documentfoundation.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/board-discuss/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
[board-discuss] Re: Libreoffice Vanilla
Sorry, but one more comment: On the MS Store listing it would be good to actually show how long the buyer will receive updates. I have in my notes that it is 18 mos, but that came IIRC from the ML and nowhere on the store listing is that spelled out, at least not that I can find. Thanks again On Tue, Mar 16, 2021 at 3:29 PM Drew Jensen wrote: > > Howdy, > > I paid for LibreOffice Vanilla from the MS Store last July and I now > have a few comments and a question. > > I see reference in the application to making a donation to TDF. > Why would I do that (donate) after I already purchased a license? > (I also purchased LO powered by CIB and Collabora Office and neither > include these references to making a donation to TDF; why would LOV be > different? Because it cost $5 less?) > > It would be nice if somewhere, either at the MS Store listing or in > the application, if there was an actual link to a contact at the > publisher, ie CIB. > > Question; Last week TDF put out a statement that LibreOffice 7.0 is > now considered the proper release for all users. Can I assume that my > copy of LibreOffice Vanilla 6.4 will be upgraded to 7.0 shortly? > > Thank You > > Drew -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: board-discuss+unsubscr...@documentfoundation.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/board-discuss/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
[board-discuss] Libreoffice Vanilla
Howdy, I paid for LibreOffice Vanilla from the MS Store last July and I now have a few comments and a question. I see reference in the application to making a donation to TDF. Why would I do that (donate) after I already purchased a license? (I also purchased LO powered by CIB and Collabora Office and neither include these references to making a donation to TDF; why would LOV be different? Because it cost $5 less?) It would be nice if somewhere, either at the MS Store listing or in the application, if there was an actual link to a contact at the publisher, ie CIB. Question; Last week TDF put out a statement that LibreOffice 7.0 is now considered the proper release for all users. Can I assume that my copy of LibreOffice Vanilla 6.4 will be upgraded to 7.0 shortly? Thank You Drew -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: board-discuss+unsubscr...@documentfoundation.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/board-discuss/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
Re: [board-discuss] 'Free Beer' Office?
On Sat, Jul 25, 2020 at 11:44 AM toki wrote: > > On 2020/07/25 07:58, Andreas Mantke wrote: > > for those who complains about LibreOffice campains stating free (like > > free beer), here is a current example from the official LibreOffice account: > > > > https://twitter.com/libreoffice/status/128692953570496/photo/1 > > Both "No Registration" and "No Vendor Lock-in" are about libre, not > gratis. "No Forced Payments" could be either gratis, or libre. True - on the other hand if you look at the LibreOffice Twitter account bio the first word after the URL is 'Free' - it sets the tone. > > Italo Vignoli's _2020/2025 Marketing Communications Plan (with > additional comments)_ Slide 15: "Digital sovereignty issue will become > pervasive". This is something that LibreOffice marketing should > emphasize. The "No ~" image hints at it, but doesn't make it explicit. > > Your cloud, your language, your documents, your way. > > jonathon > > -- > To unsubscribe e-mail to: board-discuss+unsubscr...@documentfoundation.org > Problems? > https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ > Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette > List archive: https://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/board-discuss/ > Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy > -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: board-discuss+unsubscr...@documentfoundation.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/board-discuss/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
Re: [board-discuss] Invitation to public TDF board meeting on Friday, March 13th at 1300 Berlin time
Got it, thanks. I was planning on joining the call to support Franklin's ideas on Document Freedom Day. Will look forward to hearing about this also. Thanks On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 3:17 PM Michael Meeks wrote: > Hi Drew, > > On 11/03/2020 17:43, Drew Jensen wrote: > > I was wondering about the 'FOSDEM goals' is there something that should > > be read before that meeting or is the meeting meant to introduce them? > > The latter =) the old & new boards came up with some key goals for > the > year a month or go or so at FOSDEM - we intended to publish them at the > time, but havn't got to it yet. > > Hopefully we can get to that, > > ATB, > > Michael. > > -- > michael.me...@collabora.com <><, GM Collabora Productivity > Hangout: mejme...@gmail.com, Skype: mmeeks > (M) +44 7795 666 147 - timezone usually UK / Europe >
Re: [board-discuss] Invitation to public TDF board meeting on Friday, March 13th at 1300 Berlin time
Howdy, I was wondering about the 'FOSDEM goals' is there something that should be read before that meeting or is the meeting meant to introduce them? Thanks Drew On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 12:45 PM Florian Effenberger < flo...@documentfoundation.org> wrote: > Dear community, > > find below the public agenda for the > > TDF board meeting > with a public part, followed by a private part > on Friday, March 13th at 1300 Berlin time > > For time zone conversion, see e.g. > > https://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/converted.html?iso=20200313T13=37=136=241=589 > > at https://jitsi.documentfoundation.org/TDFBoard > (We'll use https://meet.jit.si/TDFBoard only as fallback.) > > Public Part > > 1. Q: Answering Questions from the community (Lothar and Franklin, > max. 20 minutes) > > Rationale: Provide an opportunity for the community to ask questions > to the new board and about TDF. > > 2. Finalizing and publishing the FOSDEM goals (Lothar, Franklin 10min) > > Rationale: clarifying todos, timeline > Proposal: reread and cluster FOSDEM goals for publishing, Blog about > Goals in the next 14 days, instantiation of a tracking tool for the goals > > 3. Take over Document Freedom Day campaign by TDF (Franklin, 10min) > > Rational: discuss take over, checking about consensus to do, next > steps (vote via email?) > > 4. Status quo about Pending Actions (Lothar 5min) > > Rational: clarifying todos, timeline > > Looking forward to hear you on Friday! > > Florian > > -- > Florian Effenberger, Executive Director (Geschäftsführer) > Tel: +49 30 5557992-50 | Mail: flo...@documentfoundation.org > The Document Foundation, Kurfürstendamm 188, 10707 Berlin, DE > Gemeinnützige rechtsfähige Stiftung des bürgerlichen Rechts > Legal details: https://www.documentfoundation.org/imprint > > -- > To unsubscribe e-mail to: board-discuss+unsubscr...@documentfoundation.org > Problems? > https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ > Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette > List archive: > https://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/board-discuss/ > Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy > >
[board-discuss] Membership Committee position
In order to facilitate seating of all Membership Committee rolls via election by the Document Foundation general membership, I hereby resign my position on the committee. Sincerely, Drew Jensen -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to board-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/board-discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [board-discuss] membership application/language and supporters
On Tue, 2012-05-22 at 08:25 -0500, Norbert Thiebaud wrote: On Tue, May 22, 2012 at 5:36 AM, sophie gautier.sop...@gmail.com wrote: This is what language communities are supposed to do : give those who don't speak English a chance to be part of the project. We can't rely only on English speaking people to grow the community and represent it every where in the world. This is why settling each of our actions on an i18n point of view first is very important. That conjure to me the following quote (from a brazillian TDF member on the aooo-dev ML) 4 - Suddenly, TDF was requesting that every person who wanted to be called a contributor should fill a agreement request in order to be recognized. So we became to be concerned about that huge amount of people who contributed and didn't want to fill a formal agreement to a foreign organization that don't speak their language and has a lot of channels, many of them obscured. 5 - In addition, people who we were fighting bacame key persons in TDF. One of them became a brazilian member of the BoD, with 70 votes, when brazilian accepted members in Brazil were less than 15 and most of them didn't vote for him. Which, to me, indicate that the language barrier is being use and abuse to mislead (*), and the underlying 'nationalism' is disturbing to me. the notion the TDF should be the UN with 'national representative' is pretty scary (**) :-( Hi Norbert I think you make too much of the statement from one person. Some people will leave in a huff, no matter what policies are in place. I also think that what you refer to as a problem with Nationalism is not, rather it is a problem with external organizations, and the relationship between them and TDF. No place is this more true, currently then in Brazil, but it is not exclusive to Brazil. It is true that these secondary (from the TDF perspective) organizations are predominantly defined, partly, by location and therefore Nation. //drew (*) TDF does not _require_ anything to 'contribute'. for code contribution we ask for the proper licensing... but that is true of nay project. member need to be contributors but contributors are not required to be member. For instance last time I checked Tor is not a member, yet he is undeniably a contributor. Sure, to become a member, one is asked to agree to the tenet of the organization one want to become a member of... nothing shocking about that... (**) the notion of 'brazillian' member is shocking to me, just like the notion of 'French' member or 'Finnish' member... a member is a member, his national origin is irrelevant. And voting for a BoD member based on such irrelevant criteria is disturbing to me.
[tdf-discuss] [OT] Some advice for those looking to contribute, but not necessarily with code
Hi, Just passing this along as I thought some might find it interesting. http://www.softwarequalityconnection.com/2012/03/14-ways-to-contribute-to-open-source-without-being-a-programming-genius-or-a-rock-star/ //drew -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [board-discuss] MC minutes from 2012-03-19
On Wed, 2012-04-18 at 15:19 +0200, Volker Merschmann wrote: Hi, 2012/4/18 Florian Effenberger flo...@documentfoundation.org: find attached the meeting minutes from the MC meeting on March 19th. This message is to be archived by the BoD and its deputies. What about http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/TDF/Membership_Committee_Meetings#Meeting_Minutes ? I just realized that some minutes are missing there. Even a link to the minutes-mail in the archive should be added there. IMHO. Others? Hi Volker Yes, you are correct the page does need updates. I'll get about doing that, directly. Thanks //drew
Re: [board-discuss] Re: Community Bylaws
On Tue, 2012-02-28 at 21:31 +0100, Florian Effenberger wrote: Hi Drew, drewjensen wrote on 2012-02-28 20:47: I simply wanted to comment on one aspect of Florian's email - the idea that discussion regarding community by-laws was taking place in private. I personally can not imagine any scenario where such would be acceptable. what exactly are you referring to? The community bylaws have not even been drafted yet in the form we legally need them as defined in the statutes. Hi Florian From the first email in this thread: Hi, Charles-H.Schulz wrote on 2012-02-06 18:25: Private sending first. Attached are a set of similar yet simplified community bylaws. What was modified: sorry for being so late on this, Charles. Replying in public, since I think the topic is interesting to everyone. Does it make more sense now - also it need not be a major discussion, it's just a comment. //drew -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to board-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/board-discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [board-discuss] AB-Member and ESC-Member on TDF-Website
On Mon, 2012-02-27 at 12:01 -0600, Norbert Thiebaud wrote: On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 4:36 AM, Florian Effenberger flo...@documentfoundation.org wrote: So, while I agree this is also theoretical, the more we can make public, the better it will be, the more it will serve our matter of transparency. I understand and agree with your argument and the scenario described. My main concern is this case (only wrt to the ESC.): John Doe is employed by Microsoft-Luxemburg as a pre-sale support for IIS (I'm making that up) during is leisure time he like to contribute to open source, and doing a great job at doing so in LibreOffice, he is offered to seat on the ESC. Since his work on FLOSS is not sponsored by Microsoft nor necessarily approved by it, he does not want to/ is not allowed to involve the name of his employer into the process. What should his 'affiliation' then be ? TDF iow. Should we rely solely on self-described affiliation ? In which case, the take over scenario described earlier can only be dwarfed if observers manage to independently determine 'real' affiliation based on name to detect a conflict otherwise ill-intended committee stuffing would certainly avoid dissimulating one's affiliation, and the 'official' affiliation list would not be useful for the purpose of detecting such situation. In the case of individuals a meeting of the AB in their capacity as members of the ESC, they are doing so as stewards for the full membership of the TDF, not merely as individuals and certainly not as representatives for their employer. Thanks, //drew Let me put it that way: I would expect that + for most sponsored people we do have an affiliation (most sponsor want to advertise that they do) + ESC member can choose to be classified publicly as 'Independent', with the understanding that other ESC members are privately confident that such ESC nomination is not jeopardizing the ESC balance, wrt the 30% rule. + such implicit affiliation can be shared with the BoD. (pretty much how it works today) For the AB: I honestly do not care that much either way... I'll leave that in the capable hand of the BoD :-) Norbert -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to board-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/board-discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[board-discuss] General questions
Hi, A few questions: The Advisory Board 1 - Where would I find a rooster of what corporations constitute the board and who their representatives on the board are? 2 - Minutes from AB meetings, where would I find those? Current Budget (expenses paid primarily) 1 - Where, or when will financial statements become public, either for general availability (my preference but I know that cuts across the grain form many), or restricted to TDF membership? Apologies if this is just my lack of searching skills. Thanks, //drew -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to board-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/board-discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [board-discuss] General questions
On Thu, 2012-02-23 at 20:46 -0600, Norbert Thiebaud wrote: On Thu, Feb 23, 2012 at 5:07 PM, drew d...@baseanswers.com wrote: Hi, A few questions: The Advisory Board 1 - Where would I find a rooster of what corporations constitute the board and who their representatives on the board are? I think the list has been advertised... So did I, but darned if I can find where. but I not sure the actual names of the people delegated to represent such companies are relevant. An AB seat is bound to the sponsoring entity, and they get to designate whom-ever they want at any time to represent them. AB is the only entity where people are not there as individual but as representative of some other entity. So I agree that the list of entity should be public, but the individual's name of the representative... not so sure it is required. Right enough - just wanted to understand who represents TDF in those meetings? [this point I may have just overlooked in my reading] Then, how does what comes from those meetings work it's way to the general membership? 2 - Minutes from AB meetings, where would I find those? I don't think that such minutes are published, nor should they. Actually public minutes are specifically mentioned on the wiki pages discussing setting up the AB - though I, like you , expect to see them heavily redacted and that is also covered on the wiki pages. If you want honest and frank advices/opinions from big corporation, you can't have these advice being published publicly. Similarly in order to get advice from these actors, I expect our representatives to present to them ideas, line of inquiry, nascent projects that are being considered... most of them in a state of development that would render them premature for public disclosure at that time... So once you remove all that meat from the minutes, you would be left with nothing substantive... I don't see the point. I feel strongly however, that who and when are important to have out there. Current Budget (expenses paid primarily) 1 - Where, or when will financial statements become public, either for general availability (my preference but I know that cuts across the grain form many), or restricted to TDF membership? Since we are collection money from the public, under charitable status, I think we should publish publicly at least a top-level 'Income Statement' and Balance Sheet. Members on the other hand should have the ability to audit the full detailed accounting ledger, provided some confidentiality requirement (every member is entitled to see the books, but not to publish or disclose to non-member information contained herein that has not otherwise been made public. the idea is to empower the membership to trust-but-verify, not to allow competing entity to gain inside knowledge) Yes - I'd be in favor of public top level figures but for details, absolutely there should be a condition of confidentiality. Otoh the stifung was just created... up to now the accounting were somehow mixed with frodev... so I would no expect to have anything published for a while. Realistically public disclosure of some accounting would prolly be an end-of-fiscal-year event... since the work needed is already done for tax purpose it would not be an extra burden on our volunteers. I'd fall of my chair if someone said, 'it's all put together already' - though end-of-year figures with nothing but sub totals is no real disclosure, IMO. Norbert //drew -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to board-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/board-discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[tdf-discuss] Are you a TDF member? Do you use Twitter?
Howdy, If you answered yes to both of those questions then I would like to request your twitter account handle? For those that don't know I maintain a LbreOffice focused 'paper' at paper.il - one[1] of the data streams that supplies content for the daily publication is a list[2] of twitter account. When the paper was set up there was no formal TDF and I constructed the list by watching the twitter stream and adding people that where talking about LibreOffice - (and dropping folks off from time to time). What I would like to do is to reconstitute that list, starting with TDF members. So, the request here. If you respond, it's makes sense to just send me the information direct. Thanks, //drew [1] Besides the list of twitter accounts I also pull data from twitter search, twitter tags, Google+, FaceBook and the libO planet. [2] The list is maintained at http://twitter.com/LibreOfficeVols/paper -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] LibOCon proposals
On Fri, 2012-02-03 at 16:54 +0100, Andreas Mantke wrote: Hi Jesus, Am Freitag, 3. Februar 2012, 14:08:58 schrieb Jesús Corrius: On Fri, Feb 3, 2012 at 1:45 PM, Florian Effenberger flo...@documentfoundation.org wrote: (...) I am open for discussion, of course, but I wonder that you seem to have a different opinion now, since the BoD has voted on this during the last call. ;-) I am just open to discussions ;) But I was just talking to this particular case, we need to define this for the future. If this is talking about the future, I wonder, why you jump into this thread. We had a public discussion and decision of the BoD already. If there are no unknown facts or new arguments, we should not discuss and decide again (and again). (...) A possible solution would be: 1. Invite all the TDF members to vote by default. 2. If you are not a member of the TDF but you also want to vote, send a message to someone (Florian maybe? :P) and you will be invited. Point 2 would be a nice job ;-( Maybe we will also hear some complaints, if someone missed to send a mail in time. I think we should invite every contributor to apply for a membership status and then he / she could vote for the venue of the conferences 2013 and later. It would be good to increase our member base. Howdy, +1 to that last statement. I realize it can be a bit intimidating, I know it was for me, there are some rather impressive individuals represented in the ranks of the foundation. Nor will I lie to you and say that every application is accepted - but I can tell you that everyone I have seen involved in the process strives to give a fair appraisal and in those cases where the answer is not at this moment attempts to impart encouragement and help on how to change that outcome - so I suppose I would like to say, don't sell yourself short, everyone's contribution is valued. Back to the subject at hand however. First I agree with the current decision on the appropriateness of using the membership roster for the vote - but I would also add, this is not happening in a back room or private mailing list - so everyone has the opportunity to have their views heard, but for that to happen you need to voice them. If you have a question for either of the teams or have an opinion on the suitability of one site over the other, don't hesitate to share it here. Just some thoughts I wanted to share. Best wishes, Drew -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] LibOCon proposals
On Tue, 2012-01-24 at 12:48 -0200, Olivier Hallot wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi All, Em 24-01-2012 09:03, Cor Nouws escreveu: Florian Effenberger wrote (24-01-12 11:26) I think this would exclude a fair amount of contributors. Many of e.g. the code contributors are not members, but indeed do a very valueable work. Excluding them from voting sounds wrong. And it's not logic: the conference is not meant for members only. We are talking on choosing the location, not about non-member participating at the conference. Since TDF will be strongly involved into the organization of the conference, that shall be an internal voting, IMHO. Voting is a measure of traceable membership participation/activity. Otherwise we can get spammed on untraceable votes to send us where we don't want LibCon to happen. Hello, Though we should certainly solicit input from anyone during the deliberation period it seems most appropriate for the final decision to be made by the foundation members. Best wishes, //drew -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [board-discuss] call recordings or only minutes?
On Mon, 2012-01-16 at 09:30 -0600, Norbert Thiebaud wrote: On Mon, Jan 16, 2012 at 9:18 AM, Florian Effenberger flo...@documentfoundation.org wrote: Hello, I was wondering whether we should upload call recordings as we did in the past, or only keep them internally until the minutes are done, and then upload them to the wiki. I seriously doubt anyone listens to the recordings, as the minutes provide a much easier way to keep up to date. actually, I do, when I'm not on the call itself... Norbert same here.. I'd like to see the recordings stay. //drew -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to board-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/board-discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] English Wiki - new menue
On Sat, 2011-12-31 at 16:18 +0100, Jochen wrote:
Hi *,
Am 31.12.2011 10:34, schrieb Rainer Bielefeld:
Jochen schrieb:
In German WIKI we have created a new menu - called Makros [1]. The
english equivalent is macros [2].
great!
I have incorporated the new menu item macros in {{Menu}} and also
added a comment in [1].
[1] http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Macros
Regards
howdy Jochen,
Great - thank you.
Added some content to the en page.
Best wishes for the New Year,
//drew
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[tdf-discuss] Holiday Greetings
This has been quite a year for the extended community and communities of individuals formed since the decision to open source the original StarOffice application suite some 12 years ago. Then again the same could be said for the entire dozen years - and here is my meager attempt to capture that in 2 minutes... http://youtu.be/J84WQtbcZ1s Merry Christmas ~~ Drew Jensen -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] Holiday Greetings
On Sun, 2011-12-25 at 21:25 +0100, M Henri Day wrote: 2011/12/25 drew d...@baseanswers.com This has been quite a year for the extended community and communities of individuals formed since the decision to open source the original StarOffice application suite some 12 years ago. Then again the same could be said for the entire dozen years - and here is my meager attempt to capture that in 2 minutes... http://youtu.be/J84WQtbcZ1s Merry Christmas ~~ Drew Jensen Loved the video ! And thanks to you, Drew, and all the developers who have helped to bring us products like StarOffice, OpenOffice, and LibreOffice ! And happy Winter Solstice (for us in the Northern hemisphere) to you all !... Thank you Henri, BTW, some folks experienced a, visibility, issue with the youtube channel. For the moment at least I've made a copy of the original mp4 file (92 Megs) available for download at: http://lo-portal.us/video/soHappyHoliday2011.mp4 Best wishes, //drew -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[tdf-discuss] Re: [libreoffice-users] QuestionAnswer system evaluation
On Tue, 2011-11-15 at 14:59 +0100, Alexander Werner wrote: Hi everyone, while discussing the possible platforms for an official user forum, the idea arose[1] to also evaluate a QA forum, similar to the well-known stackoverflow[2]. I've set up an instance of askbot to allow users to test such a forum and comment on this idea. You can access it at http://osqa-test.libreoffice.org. Feel free to register an account (at the moment, local user accounts, Facebook, twitter and various openid providers are supported) and test the installation. Comments, bug reports and improvement suggestions are very welcome, either by using the give feedback[3] link at the bottom of each page or at the website list or, of course, in askbot itself[3]. For a explanation how such QA platforms work, please see the faq[4] and my short explanation here: * QA forums don't provide room for general discussions, polls, rants etc. and are therefore more targeted. * Users can select correct answers and vote for answers. Selected and most voted answers are shown first, drastically improving clarity. * User activities such as answering questions or voting answers leads to karma. With more karma, the rights of users grow until the user has full moderation rights. This allows to grow a self sustaining community. * Answers can be edited collaboratively (so called community wiki posts) Of course, trying it out is worth a thousand words :) Hi, Thanks for the information Alex. I feel that it would be inappropriate to not mention at this early stage that three platforms of this style service have been put forward as possible solutions. Shapdeo: http://libreoffice.shapado.com/ The above site is a hosted instance of the software, the package itself is FOSS and could be hosted within the TDF infrastructure. Questions2Answers: http://www.question2answer.org/ There is not a LibreOffice specific test site, or hosted running site, for this package - so just a link back to the projects home, where you can find links to existing site. The three packages are quite similar, as would be expected, but do have slight differences - also each is developed using different language/toolset which can be a factor in determining which makes sense for our use. Thanks, Drew Jensen -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] user forums ?
On Fri, 2011-11-11 at 11:24 +0100, Jean-Baptiste Faure wrote: Le 11/11/2011 11:06, Cor Nouws a écrit : Hi Andrea, [...] Someone else explained that a good technical solution, also with a different look, is no real option. You must have noticed that post. Really ? Please have a look at : http://forum.ubuntu-fr.org/viewforum.php?id=13 and http://forum.kubuntu-fr.org/viewforum.php?id=13 Best regards. So, no argument here that DNS based themes are baked into the platforms Good day all, No argument here that DNS based themes are baked into the platforms. The shared content however - I submit it is not so easy to see how this easily and successfully works out. For instance - let's say that a user has come looking for help and as it turns out the problem the user is having turns out to be in fact a defect with the software...at this point I would hope that the individual(s) helping this person out would offer to this user a quick pointer on how to enter this into our defect tracking system - just some links. So - I'm assuming that when user A (let's call her Sarah) came into the forum it was via our libreoffice address. She found a nice LibreOffice branded site - [quick question - we would have some type of pinned information about such things on the forum, and of course this content would need to change along with our them..yes] Now user B (let's call her Barb) is a long time OpenOffice.org user and quite happy Apache OpenOffice user, so naturally she came in using the AOO [u.s.oo.o] address - which again, naturally, displays a nice blue theme and a sticky post about reporting bugs... See where I'm going here? I'll stop here on this subject, for this email. Best wishes, //drew -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] user forums ?
On Fri, 2011-11-11 at 08:10 -0500, drew wrote: On Fri, 2011-11-11 at 11:24 +0100, Jean-Baptiste Faure wrote: Le 11/11/2011 11:06, Cor Nouws a écrit : Hi Andrea, [...] Someone else explained that a good technical solution, also with a different look, is no real option. You must have noticed that post. Really ? Please have a look at : http://forum.ubuntu-fr.org/viewforum.php?id=13 and http://forum.kubuntu-fr.org/viewforum.php?id=13 Best regards. So, no argument here that DNS based themes are baked into the platforms Good day all, No argument here that DNS based themes are baked into the platforms. The shared content however - I submit it is not so easy to see how this easily and successfully works out. For instance - let's say that a user has come looking for help and as it turns out the problem the user is having turns out to be in fact a defect with the software...at this point I would hope that the individual(s) helping this person out would offer to this user a quick pointer on how to enter this into our defect tracking system - just some links. So - I'm assuming that when user A (let's call her Sarah) came into the forum it was via our libreoffice address. She found a nice LibreOffice branded site - [quick question - we would have some type of pinned information about such things on the forum, and of course this content would need to change along with our them..yes] Now user B (let's call her Barb) is a long time OpenOffice.org user and quite happy Apache OpenOffice user, so naturally she came in using the AOO [u.s.oo.o] address - which again, naturally, displays a nice blue theme and a sticky post about reporting bugs... See where I'm going here? *well* now that I've refilled the coffee cup it seems such an easy thing to overcome doesn't it - simply have a section (sub_board) for information on how to interface with each of the different projects - with separate sticky for each, perhaps. let's see - links to the documentation in easy reach, again it doesn't seem so much overhead to handle this. Then it would be a big help if the two applications AOO and LibO do not diverge in form or function. To date it has been pretty good that way, of course the fact that OO.o hasn't had a release is one of _the_ overarching factors here, IMO - and everything I see at the AOO project says that this will certainly not be the case for long. Along with that I look forward a TDF launch of an iOS and Android version and HTML5.canvas (?) on-line version, or other engineering driven changes such efforts may produce. I also want and expect AOO to have a series of releases that will have to be different in some ways from the current OO.o application..and whatever new projects the AOO project spawns. Then sure, one gets down to branding, community identity and self sufficiency questions and I suppose these issues add up to politics of a kind. IMO good people can in good conscience come to differing conclusions and take separate paths politely, is this not one definition of politics. IMO the reality which came out of this last year, the change from a project, in fact, owned by a single for profit vendor morphing into two projects, to code lines in fact, each owned by a non-profit foundations actively moving forward is not a bad outcome, for anyone. So bottom line for myself - could using two URL's pointing to the same physical server work? - likely for a while _but_ that it will become increasing more difficult, quickly, versus having each community take responsibility for it's own user services, across the board. Anyway - my long .02 worth Best wishes, Drew -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] [POLL] own forums
On Thu, 2011-11-10 at 11:56 +0100, Florian Effenberger wrote: snip So, a quick +1/-1 in this thread would be nice to get an overview over people's opinion. ;-) +1 -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [board-discuss] [RESULT] New Membership Committee voted by the board
On Wed, 2011-11-09 at 14:08 +0100, Thorsten Behrens wrote: Dear candidates, as logged here https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/TDF/BoD_Decisions the TDF board of directors has now formally approved the following individuals as members of the new Membership committee: * Andre Schnabel * Fridrich Strba * Norbert Thiebaud * Simon Phipps * Sophie Gautier and the following individuals as their deputies: * Cor Nouws * Drew Jensen We would like to ask all successful candidates to formally accept their vote, by replying to this email. I do and am looking forward to not just helping but the chance to learn even more about our global community. Best wishses, Drew Deputy-Dawg Jensen -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to board-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/board-discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [board-discuss] Vote for MC ...
On Tue, 2011-11-08 at 14:42 +0100, Volker Merschmann wrote: Hi, 2011/11/8 Michael Meeks michael.me...@suse.com: Hi Volker, On Tue, 2011-11-08 at 11:19 +0100, Volker Merschmann wrote: Either way - we should put this to a vote on the public list. I offered my help as I thought form the discussions that more persons are really needed. If this is not really the case, I am fine with withdrawing my offer. Sorry about that; thanks for volunteering hopefully you'll stand for the next MC election ? :-) Yes of course, I do. Hello Volker That's good to hear - I have no doubt you are a great fit for this role. Best wishes, Drew Jensen -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to board-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/board-discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: user forums ?
On Tue, 2011-11-08 at 15:34 +0100, Florian Effenberger wrote: Hi, ads, independent to what they advertise for, are basically a no go for me. Howdy Florian snip right, well I have no doubt of the sincerity behind that comment, but it does get a bit dicey in practice IMO. For instance very few had a problem with pointing directly to the official Document Foundation and LibreOffice pages on Facebook - ads. Document Foundation and LibreOffice twitter accounts - ads. TDF/Libo G+ pages - no ads, yet. Alright, so a simple aversion to on-line ads is not the only determining factor, exceptions are made all the time. This is not a way to argue in favor of treating LibreOfficeForum.org or lo-portal.de/forum as 'official' sites, but I would like to again suggest that it, alone, is not a reason to in effect shun them either. IIRC Micheal Meeks, in one of his presentations, suggested a goal of 200 Million users for the LibreOffice suite - I think that is a laudable goal, and also believe that it will not be attained without this wealth of extended, external, activity. Which of course if not exactly on-topic and I will get directly back to topic in reply to an earlier email but for this point - I hope we can find some useful way to incorporate all the energy coming from these auxiliary effots - it's not easy I know but I think it will be well worth the effort. Now - off to write the on-topic email, //drew -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: user forums ?
On Tue, 2011-11-08 at 06:20 +0900, Kazunari Hirano wrote: Hi Ken and all, On Tue, Nov 8, 2011 at 2:26 AM, Ken Springer snowsh...@q.com wrote: I will once again say, that of all the open source programs I've tried and would like to use, LO is far and away the best organization at providing a help system for everyone. You are right. But http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Language_Teams are trying the forums they like :) Chinese (Traditional) : http://ooo.tn.edu.tw/modules/xforum/viewforum.php?forum=6type=0mode=0since=100start=0sortorder=DESCsortname=f.forum_order A university based site is quite cool IMO Georgian: http://ka.libreoffice.org/forum Well, the forum module on the main LibreOffice site has been used to manage user accounts for those individuals granted publishing rights to the NL site, not as an actual end user forum to date. So I think this is an anomily. With specific reference to Georgia I don't think we need to concern ourselves about an end user forum as the Georgian govt. is funding a full blown LibreOffice Portal project - they are well into the phase of finding and funding contractors to build the site now IIRC. Japanese: http://ja.libreofficeforum.org/forum Right, LibreOfficeForum.org was almost first out of the gate, but there has been a certain amount of resistance to referring users to the site from the main projects web properties. Serbian: http://otvorenidokument.com/ Didn't know about this one - quite nice - I like MyBB at least what I've seen of it before.. It seems they are doing fine :) The last one for sure. Best wishes, //drew -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: user forums ?
On Mon, 2011-11-07 at 17:07 -0500, drew wrote: On Tue, 2011-11-08 at 06:20 +0900, Kazunari Hirano wrote: Hi Ken and all, On Tue, Nov 8, 2011 at 2:26 AM, Ken Springer snowsh...@q.com wrote: I will once again say, that of all the open source programs I've tried and would like to use, LO is far and away the best organization at providing a help system for everyone. You are right. But http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Language_Teams are trying the forums they like :) Chinese (Traditional) : http://ooo.tn.edu.tw/modules/xforum/viewforum.php?forum=6type=0mode=0since=100start=0sortorder=DESCsortname=f.forum_order A university based site is quite cool IMO Georgian: http://ka.libreoffice.org/forum Well, the forum module on the main LibreOffice site has been used to manage user accounts for those individuals granted publishing rights to the NL site, not as an actual end user forum to date. So I think this is an anomily. snip Japanese: http://ja.libreofficeforum.org/forum Right, LibreOfficeForum.org was almost first out of the gate, but there has been a certain amount of resistance to referring users to the site from the main projects web properties. Serbian: http://otvorenidokument.com/ Didn't know about this one - quite nice - I like MyBB at least what I've seen of it before.. It seems they are doing fine :) The last one for sure. and I will add one more to the inventory. The Danish community page http://da.libreoffice.org links from the Support entry on the main menu to http://www.oooforum.dk/ which has been around for a good while, prior to the fork. As you see this group chose a very simple joint branding approach. //drew -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [board-discuss] Membership Committee
Howdy Micheal, et al, On Thu, 2011-11-03 at 16:59 +, Michael Meeks wrote: Hi Drew, On Wed, 2011-11-02 at 10:57 -0400, drew wrote: snip It was my intent to run for a seat on the MC, it is my understanding now that the elections will be moved to next year (the reasons seem quite reasonable IM). Oh - sorry that was a spoke in your wheels. Hopefully that'll get fixed in a few more (hectic) months. as I said, the rational for the change makes sense to me. If I understand correctly there is however one slot currently not filled, for a generic deputy. If this is correct then I would like to offer my services for this position. That's right. Of course, the board will need to approve the lucky (haha) candidates in due course ;-) You have my vote - based on the great work I've seen you doing. Thanks Having said that - we've sounded out previous appointees more informally beforehand, which is perhaps harder here. Clearly this is a responsible role, and part of our formal governance. As such, some may have queries about your involvement with the Apache project, it'd be helpful to know what your plans are there. Huh, it never crossed my mind that this would come up...ok, reality. Well, my plans - truthfully I'm not sure how my activity will progressive within the Apache OpenOffice poddling. Presently I'm not really doing anything there, my intent is to help out some with support and QA tasks - if I can incorporate that into my schedule in such a way that my efforts are useful I'll continue and if not quietly remove myself from the project management committee. Surely I could expand on my ideas of the two projects but am not at all certain that would add much to the decision process here - I will add just this, I don't feel that I would have any problem compartmentalizing my activities between the two projects and should it arise that there is some conflict would quickly take steps to resolve it, as needed. If there are any other concerns on this point please, anyone, feel free to ask and I will take the time to address them as best I can. Similarly, it'd be nice to know your thoughts on the membership committee's role, criteria for membership etc. in the bylaws. If you'd feel happier sharing that privately - feel free, and I'll make sure it gets to the board. snip (In the sniped paragraph) You use the term administrative task and I would say that this particular role is and should be best described by just such wording. In my understanding of the by-laws as written the goal of the membership committee is first and foremost to ensure that a fair and sensible measure is applied during the decision process regarding an individual's meritocratic contributions to the foundation's activities. I believe that I bring a number of personal attributes that fit quite well to such a task. A good general understanding of all the processes that go into growing and maintaining our community and our projects/products. A good working relationship with many of the individuals that make up the foundation, both the official membership and our broader group of supports. The above will help to expeditiously process the applications. Finally - IMO I also bring a good sensibility to such a task, meaning that while I have no problem making my own decisions I try not to be dogmatic, remaining open and receptive to input from the other people involved on tasks. Once again if there are any questions from anyone else please do not hesitate to ask. Sincerely, Drew Jensen -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to board-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/board-discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] phpbb for the official LO forums
On Fri, 2011-11-04 at 15:29 +0100, Jonathan Aquilina wrote: Hey guys I know there has been alot of chatter about user forums. Here is my suggestion. I am setting up my own forums using phpbb and here are a few points that i would like to make in regards to using it. 1) Localization I only need one language, but localization administration seems quite easy to do via the administrator control panel. 2) Forum security. Forum security is a big issue especially against spammers and those who break the forum rules. Image based captcha comes as part of phpbb and one needs to ensure the appropriate required packages are installed for it to work. Another issue is those people who break forum rules. Bans can be made using a persons email address as well as ip address and vice versa to ensure that a given person cannot re register. Forum permissions are easy to manage as well as everyone ends up in a group, and those groups are given particular permissions depending on the group. I am not sure if one already has an account on the wiki if phpbb can use existing accounts in a particular database or someone would be required to reregister again. Another perk about using phpbb we can then customize it to have a TDF look and feel. Regards Hi Jonathan Cool - I think there are multiple persons here that would be interested in working on and at a forum (and Q+A) site for sure. Well, I was starting a reply to Florian's - There are a couple of LibreOffice branded web forums up and running already and then of course the mailing lists. - it made sense to me to take a quick look at where things really are, at the moment, to which end I've started pulling (maybe finished) some numbers together here: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/User:Drew/UserSupportTraffic Right now the libreoffice web forums are actually having a bit of a hard time, IMO, getting a lot of traction. While the mailing lists are performing fairly well I think, (it's all based on the size of the user base, bottom line..right?) Now the fact we don't link to any of those web properties directly (or not liberally might be a better term) from the main project site(s) is part of why the numbers are what they are, I believe. So - I really would agree with where Florian is going when he says he prefers the idea of - If a new site (forum), then lets do it within the formal site structure..which I know you offered to setup/admin same on a VM with the TDF infrastructure, I think that's a wonderful offer. anyway - A few more thoughts as I can fit in later this morning. Best wishes, Drew Jensen -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] phpbb for the official LO forums
On Fri, 2011-11-04 at 16:00 +0100, Jonathan Aquilina wrote: On 04/11/2011 15:56, drew wrote: On Fri, 2011-11-04 at 15:29 +0100, Jonathan Aquilina wrote: Hey guys I know there has been alot of chatter about user forums. Here is my suggestion. I am setting up my own forums using phpbb and here are a few points that i would like to make in regards to using it. 1) Localization I only need one language, but localization administration seems quite easy to do via the administrator control panel. 2) Forum security. Forum security is a big issue especially against spammers and those who break the forum rules. Image based captcha comes as part of phpbb and one needs to ensure the appropriate required packages are installed for it to work. Another issue is those people who break forum rules. Bans can be made using a persons email address as well as ip address and vice versa to ensure that a given person cannot re register. Forum permissions are easy to manage as well as everyone ends up in a group, and those groups are given particular permissions depending on the group. I am not sure if one already has an account on the wiki if phpbb can use existing accounts in a particular database or someone would be required to reregister again. Another perk about using phpbb we can then customize it to have a TDF look and feel. Regards Hi Jonathan Cool - I think there are multiple persons here that would be interested in working on and at a forum (and Q+A) site for sure. Well, I was starting a reply to Florian's - There are a couple of LibreOffice branded web forums up and running already and then of course the mailing lists. - it made sense to me to take a quick look at where things really are, at the moment, to which end I've started pulling (maybe finished) some numbers together here: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/User:Drew/UserSupportTraffic snip One thing i did forget to mention. If nabble is goign to be kept we can link hot topics in the forums to closed discussions on the mailing list directly to their appropriate section of the forum as well. Right - well, actually one doesn't need Nabble for that at all - you can link directly to an email in the TDF archive. This is, I think, a better time to continue this conversation not so much from the view of a web form features - but a bit more to see how much interest there is from folks willing to help answer questions that way - looking at those numbers on the wiki again one specific number that should not be overlooked is the number of un-answered topics on the phpBB de language forum - even inside the domain it's not a slam dunk - the key is less the package (phpBB/Joomla/Drupal) and much more who is actively watching out for activity. //drew -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] phpbb for the official LO forums
On Fri, 2011-11-04 at 16:49 +0100, Jonathan Aquilina wrote: On 04/11/2011 16:45, drew wrote: On Fri, 2011-11-04 at 16:00 +0100, Jonathan Aquilina wrote: On 04/11/2011 15:56, drew wrote: On Fri, 2011-11-04 at 15:29 +0100, Jonathan Aquilina wrote: Hey guys I know there has been alot of chatter about user forums. Here is my suggestion. I am setting up my own forums using phpbb and here are a few points that i would like to make in regards to using it. 1) Localization I only need one language, but localization administration seems quite easy to do via the administrator control panel. 2) Forum security. Forum security is a big issue especially against spammers and those who break the forum rules. Image based captcha comes as part of phpbb and one needs to ensure the appropriate required packages are installed for it to work. Another issue is those people who break forum rules. Bans can be made using a persons email address as well as ip address and vice versa to ensure that a given person cannot re register. Forum permissions are easy to manage as well as everyone ends up in a group, and those groups are given particular permissions depending on the group. snip This is, I think, a better time to continue this conversation not so much from the view of a web form features - but a bit more to see how much interest there is from folks willing to help answer questions that way - looking at those numbers on the wiki again one specific number that should not be overlooked is the number of un-answered topics on the phpBB de language forum - even inside the domain it's not a slam dunk - the key is less the package (phpBB/Joomla/Drupal) and much more who is actively watching out for activity. snip Is there a way for all moderators to be emailed when there is a new thread or post to a thread with out requiring all posts to be approved by moderators? Well, one does not need to be a moderator to have behavior, phpBB specifically, and with all of the packages I know off, any registered user can set a watch flag on a specific board(s) - though the BBS software packages have evolved to use a notification pattern weighted to be as un-obtrusive as possible. What that means is that when someone watches a list (or group of lists) a notification email is sent when the first update happens on (a new topic or new post - no packages I know of trigger an email if the only change is an edit to an existing post) that list - and does NOT send additional notifications until you login to the site next _and_ read at least one of the updates message threads. This can throw people at first. //drew -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [board-discuss] List renamed to board-discuss@documentfoundation.org
On Wed, 2011-11-02 at 14:19 +0100, Florian Effenberger wrote: Hi, Florian Effenberger wrote on 2011-11-02 14:14: as previously announced, this list has been renamed to board-discuss@documentfoundation.org Drew: Can you adjust nabble? Thanks! ;) Done //drew -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to board-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/board-discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] Candidacy for a BoD seat - introduction
On Sat, 2011-09-24 at 11:03 +0200, Thorsten Behrens wrote: drew wrote: Specifically to you however I would like to inquire as to exactly what daily operations you envision for which your being situated in Germany will have any meaningful impact? Hi Drew, thanks for asking! Beyond what Charles mentioned - there will be some tasks, like taxes, snail mail, other dealings with authorities, that'll need either physical presence, a German address, or at least profound understanding of the language (or all of it). We won't need lots of directors being able to do that - but one or two would be helpful. Having none would work as well - just make things a bit more involved, since TDF would then likely need to contract someone based in Germany, doing the admin work. Thank you Thorsten Your thoughts on this seem quite reasonable IMO. Best wishes, //drew -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] candidacy for BoD seat
On Thu, 2011-09-22 at 14:01 +0200, Florian Effenberger wrote: Hello, hereby, I'd like to announce my candidacy for a Board of Directors seat at The Document Foundation. Following-up the post to steering-disc...@documentfoundation.org, I'd like to give some more details and background about myself, and am happy to answer any questions you may have. My name is Florian Effenberger, am 28 years of age, and I live in the very south of Germany, in the beautiful Allgäu, 100 km southwest of of Munich. I have been with TDF from the very beginning, serving in the Steering Committee, and mostly responsible for marketing and infrastructure, a field of activity where I also would like to contribute in the future. Previously, I have been involved with OpenOffice.org for seven years, for a long time being the marketing contact for Germany, and in the end the lead of the international marketing project and the distribution project. I am also in the Board of Directors of the German association Freies Office Deutschland e.V. (translated Free Office Germany association, previously OpenOffice.org Deutschland e.V.), an entity set-up to organize and arrange local events and activities, where I have been serving since April 2008. FrODeV is also the interim legal entity for TDF. In my real life, so to say, I am in the process of finishing my studies and -- you may have guessed it given the long e-mails I usually write :) -- work part-time as a freelancer for marketing and as a freelance journalist, so I have no corporate affiliation at the moment. My main motivation for the candidacy is to ensure the daily operation of the future Foundation, to provide a stable and secure framework not only for our worldwide community, but also giving safety and confidence to our corporate and private users around the globe. So, now it's your turn -- I am happy to answer any questions that may occur. ;-) Hello Florian Thanks for the time and effort you have put in here and over the years, I place great value, and am assured that others do as well, in your contributions. As background for my question to you: During some SC meetings, you have referred to FrODev.org as the head association. Recently in an email thread on this list dealing with the question of a donation a button on LibreOffice web pages for FrODev you and I had this exchange: --- Drew: I would not be in favor of handing out literature with LibreOffice branding that asked for FrODeve specific donations. Florian: When FrODeV was the publisher, accountant, bank and legal entity behind all of that, snip -- I would like to ask your opinion on how you see the relationship between FrODev.org and TDF evolving after TDF becomes a legal entity. Best wishes, Drew Jensen -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[tdf-discuss] Question to BOD candidates
Hi, I note that a number (perhaps all) of the folks declaring to run for a BOD seat have mentioned their desire to help with the 'daily operations'. Would any (all perhaps) of you please describe what you perceive as those daily operations to entail? Thanks in advance for you time, Drew Jensen -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] Candidacy for a BoD seat - introduction
On Fri, 2011-09-23 at 16:22 +0200, Thorsten Behrens wrote: Hi *, expanding a bit on my brief announcement to steering-discuss@, here's a slightly more verbose introduction of myself and my motivations. Who am I? I'm one of the guys who brought you this funny project (being one of the founding members), and also the hacker to blame for a bunch of Impress bugs. I help Florian and the admin team a bit with the server infrastructure, and I usually press the buttons for doing the LibreOffice releases. In a previous life, I worked on OOo for Sun Microsystems, mostly on low-level graphics stuff and the Impress slideshow. Currently I'm a happy employee of the SUSE desktop team, working fulltime on LibreOffice. On a more personal basis, I'm 37, have two kids, and live close to Hamburg, in the northern part of Germany. What motivates me to work for TDF? It is my firm belief that an independent, open, and meritocratic organisation is the right home for a project the size, and the diversity, of LibreOffice. Being one of the founding members, I consider it my duty to help creating, shaping, and maintaining such an organisation. What will I be doing, should I get elected? Since I'm based in Germany, I'd help with the daily operations of the Foundation. Hello Thorsten, I sent an email regarding the general question of what 'daily operations' entails. Specifically to you however I would like to inquire as to exactly what daily operations you envision for which your being situated in Germany will have any meaningful impact? Thanks much for your time, Drew Jensen Beyond that, being a self-confessed hacker, I'd represent the developers at the board level, and keep sticking to my bad old habit of signing up for more action items than I could process in due time. ;) I hope this answers at least a few questions - if you've more, please don't hesitate to ask! Cheers, -- Thorsten -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[tdf-discuss] LibreOffice funds held by SPI
Hi, there was a question raised on the SC Discuss mailing list - I'll offer what I know here. To the best of my knowledge there has been 1 earmarked donation for LibreOffice to the Software in the Public Interest organization, $12,000 donated by Novell Corp., Provo, UT, USA, deposited to the SPI escrow account on June 22nd of this year I've seen no other donations earmarked for LibreOffice in any of the subsequent bank deposit notifications. The public accounting statement released on August 31st also shows the escrow balance for LibreOffice at $12,000.00 Hope that helps, //drew -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] donation button on German download page
Hello Florian On Fri, 2011-09-16 at 10:01 +0200, Florian Effenberger wrote: Hello, I know the topic about local NGOs is still to be discussed, but since the German situation is a bit different to other countries, I would like to raise this specific topic now, after a discussion with the German association's board. As you are all aware, the German association currently acts as interim legal entity for TDF. Due to that, *all* donations that normally have been donated to the German association, were donated to the TDF account. In a nutshell: In the last three months, the German association did not receive *any* donation, at least not via PayPal (and if any donation via bank account, then only a small amount). My understanding was that FrODev.org was accepting donations that could be earmarked for TDF - if it has turned out that 100$ of said donations were so earmarked, well that is hard on FrODev.org sure - the association (FrODev.org) should address that internally. However, still it does a lot that is not paid by the TDF account, so I would like to propose the following: If FrODev.org is still paying bills for TDF our of the FrODev.org working accounts I would ask Why and suggest they stop. This is important in my mind - TDF becoming a legal entity is, I hear, getting close... so are you saying that it is not in shape to stand on it's own feet, financially, at this point? Is FrODev.org to continue some financial role after TDF is legal? I would like to add a donate button to the German (and only to these) download, extensions and template website. Donations done by these buttons will *not* go to TDF, but rather to the German association directly. This should at least be an interim solution until we worked out a concept for local NGOs. What do you think? Among other concerns (which I've edited out of this email), I am worried about the precedent this sets. It seems to me that there are numerous places in the current website where a link to the FrODev.org website could be integrated and I would be all for that - but the actual pitch for a donation, for FrODev.org, should IMO be at that site. Best wishes, //drew -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] donation button on German download page
On Tue, 2011-09-20 at 16:09 +0200, Andre Schnabel wrote: snip - will touch on most of this in the response to florian's latest email It seems to me that there are numerous places in the current website where a link to the FrODev.org website could be integrated and I would be all for that - but the actual pitch for a donation, for FrODev.org, should IMO be at that site. Again - seems to be my lack of English language - I don't get if you after all agree to have the link at the donation page, or that (althoug you have concerns) you would agree, that the German download page would be the correct place to go? Hello André Just on this last point - to clarify - I would be in favor of links to the FrODev.org website from pages on any of the TDF/LibreOffice websites. I would be in favor of a button (mechanism) on the FrODev.org websites for donations specifically for FrODev and exclusive from TDF. I would not be in favor of placing those donate buttons on TDF/LibreOffice web pages directly. Following that train of thought then: I would be in favor of individuals working a trade show booth for LibreOffice in Germany also handing out literature showcasing FrODev and such literature asking for a donation directly to FrODev and exclusive of TDF. I would not be in favor of handing out literature with LibreOffice branding that asked for FrODeve specific donations. Best wishes, //drew -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] donation button on German download page
On Tue, 2011-09-20 at 15:19 +0200, Florian Effenberger wrote: Hi Drew, Disclaimer: I am wearing a double hat here, since I am in the board of directors at FrODeV, so I have to consider both sides (TDF and FrODeV). I think most people already knew that. drew wrote on 2011-09-20 14:51: My understanding was that FrODev.org was accepting donations that could be earmarked for TDF - if it has turned out that 100$ of said donations were so earmarked, well that is hard on FrODev.org sure - the association (FrODev.org) should address that internally. legally, all money is donated to FrODeV, because it is the legal entity capable of accepting donations. SPI is another entity collecting donations for TDF. Since donations are legally bound to certain reasons, FrODeV has set-up a separate account for TDF. Quotation marks, because at the moment, TDF = FrODeV in legal terms, so both accounts belong to FrODeV. However, two accounts make it easier to track the donations for one specific reason, as we are legally bound. The problem is: Nearly 100% of the donations FrODeV as legal entity received in the last months are for the TDF. That means, that for other activities of FrODeV, like their own web site, event participation, production of merchandise and the like. If FrODev.org is still paying bills for TDF our of the FrODev.org working accounts I would ask Why and suggest they stop. You'd better not ask this question, since otherwise, they may indeed stop. ;-) This is important in my mind - TDF becoming a legal entity is, I hear, getting close... so are you saying that it is not in shape to stand on it's own feet, financially, at this point? This doesn't solve the problem. The money needs to belong to one entity, someone needs to register domains and trademarks etc., and this entity currently is FrODeV. TDF cannot stand on its own feet as long as it is no legal entity. So, if you ask FrODeV to stop, that means that *ALL* activities would need to be shut down *IMMEDIATELY*, until another organisation taking care 1. of donations/handling money and 2. acting as interim legal entity is found. Uh - no - what I said was - Pay the TDF bills from the TDF account and stop paying TDF bills from the FrODev specific (normal) account. Why else was there a separate TDF account created, if not to use it just this way? Is FrODev.org to continue some financial role after TDF is legal? There are no fixed plans yet. FrODeV and TDF will be to separate entities and each has to find their positioning. Sure, FrODeV might donate to TDF and vice-versa, but this is a topic for the future. OK I was imprecise in that question. I would assume (note that word) that the first order of business for the BOD after TDF becomes legal would be to take control of all TDF financial matters, and that at this point FrODev (and it's members) would cease to have any official role with TDF accounting. Am I mistaken to assume this? Best wishes, //drew -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] donation button on German download page
On Tue, 2011-09-20 at 17:48 +0200, Florian Effenberger wrote: snip Wearing my FrODeV hat, being responsible for the interest of it and its members, I can only support the idea of helping TDF as long as FrODeV does not severely suffer from that - and right now, I want to find solutions to stop that suffering. Hi, Perhaps I should of changed subject lines - One possibility, which I know has been mentioned is the allowance of a handling fee to FrODev for the monies collected on behalf of the Document Foundation. I would certainly not object to doing such a thing - for a first thought on what that would mean: Perhaps the new BOD could pay a one time handling fee of 5% (I took the number from my understanding of what SPI charges for this) for all monies collected by FrODev into the TDF account at FrODev up to the time that account is closed and the TDF books and accounts are opened. I think that would be somewhere in the 5,000 euro range - to date. anyway - just one guys opinion :) //drew -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[steering-discuss] Limited Access lists ( was List discussion purpose )
On Fri, 2011-08-12 at 12:42 -0400, drew wrote: snip Alright - referring to another email, since I poked the nest I'll take the task of creating a wiki page - no URLs. Created this page http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Lists/limited_access set reference to the page from http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Website#Communication_Channels //drew -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/steering-discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [steering-discuss] List discussion purpose
On Fri, 2011-08-12 at 17:48 +0200, Florian Effenberger wrote: Hi, yep, your list is correct. Is it exhaustive? Tanks, Drew Some details: Charles-H. Schulz wrote on 2011-08-12 16:20: SC private Contains of steering committee plus deputies, plus a few people who have been involved in the discussion of setting up a foundation, even before TDF was born. Recipient list should be re-defined by the new board of directors then, it's their decision who should stay on the list and who shouldn't. AB private Contains advisory board representatives, plus all the steering committee members and deputies. Web infrastructure Contains all the administrators (everyone who has root access, that is). Security Contains LibreOffice developers, and representatives of various distributions. Marketing private (for pr drafting and readiness) Currently has a list of local team representatives, we're right in the process of setting up a marketing network to determine/add recipients. I would not propose to add these lists to our main mailing list page - I am not too keen of revealing the URLs and aliases, even if they are password protected. However, if someone wants to add the lists to a wiki page, feel free to do so. Hope that helps, Florian -- Florian Effenberger flo...@documentfoundation.org Steering Committee and Founding Member of The Document Foundation Tel: +49 8341 99660880 | Mobile: +49 151 14424108 Skype: floeff | Twitter/Identi.ca: @floeff -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/steering-discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [steering-discuss] List discussion purpose
On Thu, 2011-08-11 at 14:10 +0200, Charles-H. Schulz wrote: Hi, This is a short reminder about the purpose of this list. It has been setup to serve as the SC / BoD primary communication channel. Therefore it accomodates SC members requests from project members. While we do appreciate everyone's input we'd like to keep non-essential content on other lists. Hi Charles. With all due respect and specifically with regards to the last sentence above - perhaps having this list at all was a mistake. There is a private mailing list for the SC members use when _absolutely_ required, is there not? For all other items it seems appropriate to just use the same lists as the rest of us. Sincerely, Drew Jensen -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/steering-discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [steering-discuss] addition to trademark policy
On Wed, 2011-08-10 at 14:31 +0200, Thorsten Behrens wrote: Caolan McNamara wrote: Imho quite easy to resolve: use the community logos per default for builds from source. Enable the Logo with TDF tagline on build time and tell people to use this only when doing builds that are supposed to be distributed via TDF resources. that indeed sounds like a senseful idea. What do others think? Its the logical conclusion. Do we think this is a desirable thing however ? rather than a corner the rules paint us into that force maintainable of duplicate logos, etc. It makes the whole thing much more consistent, therefore it makes a lot of sense to me. The tm rule then boils down to: stuff from the official tdf/libo website - TDF mark permitted. Stuff from elsewhere: TDF mark not permitted, unless permission explicitely granted. +1 So, if OpenSUSE wants to use the TDF logo in the distro all they need do tis ask - but if 3 guys on an IRC channel decide to roll their own Linux Distro, then on day one it would be the Community Logo. [Side note - hopefully when future decisions are made to allow commercial operators to use the TDF mark the community will be involved in that decision, in some way] //drew -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/steering-discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [steering-discuss] Re: screen-shots Documentation Team
On Wed, 2011-07-13 at 15:31 +0200, Italo Vignoli wrote: Tom Davies wrote: I agree with Italo that the different teams have different requirements to achieve different results. As a member of the SC, I would personally avoid to have the SC discuss this issue (which, in my opinion, is not an issue). This is something that teams should discuss internally, and I see the SC get into the discussion only if something unreasonable happens. I will confirm and support this choice during the SC meeting. Hi Italo, I would like to agree with you on this point and also with Christoph's remarks, one email behind here, about the SC making only a suggestion, _if_ anything at all. Best wishes, Drew Jensen -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/steering-discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] OOo / LO Extensions
On Tue, 2011-07-12 at 15:08 -0300, Jomar Silva wrote: Hi, There is some discussion going on at the Apache OOo mail list regarding the place to host extensions (http://extensions.services.openoffice.org/). It seems that the current hosting of extensions is facing some problems, and it will be great if we find a new (and common) home for the extensions, in a way that both Apache OOo and LibreOffice could use as a shared extensions repository. Hi Jomar, hmmm - that is assuming that the two separate projects will maintain enough common code base that shared extensions are possible - that is a requirement that I for one would not want to see enforced. The fact that we can share extensions today is, IMO, a remnant of a past history and should not dictate decisions for going forward - so I would not be in favor our hosting Apache OpenOffice.org branded extensions on a TDF/LibreOffice service, nor would I be in favor or seeing TDF/Libreoffice continue to point back to Apache OpenOffice.org for any future end user services. One related item here - Templates I think are a totally different consideration. I can see the ability to share templates between all of the ODF capable applications as a reasonable goal, a very desirable goal. It is extensions that I am concerned with here - to put it simply, I do not consider LibreOffice a downstream product of OpenOffice.org code any longer as with this next release if I understand correctly there will be no merge of OO.o code, nor can I see how Apache OpenOffice can ever be a down stream of LibreOffice. Nor am not saying that the two separate projects must diverge for divergence sake, only that having a shared service would add resistance to diverging and that is something that I would strongly disagree with - our options are open as of today and I would prefer to see them stay that way. I understand that many people still hope that OO.o and LibreOffice will somehow blend back into a single project - I can only say that I am not one of those people. This idea that there is some finite set of resources is one I take exception with. In my best judgment the resources assembled here under TDF/LibreOffice are sufficient to take this project and product forward. I wish the folks forming up under Apache to resurrect the OpenOffice.org project all the best of luck on the project they have decided to undertake, but I truly believe that their actions should bear very little weight with the people working here when it comes to planing/building out our offerings to end users. Sincerely, Drew Jensen We could also do the same to host templates. Any thoughts about that ? Best, Jomar -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] OOo / LO Extensions
On Tue, 2011-07-12 at 20:57 +0200, Charles-H. Schulz wrote: Hello Jomar, With the exception of the quite good points highlighted by Drew (some extensions might break or might not work in AOOo) , I think AOOo is free to point to our own extensions and templates website. Do know, however, that although we accept FOSS licences only (including Apache!) we do already have a specific branding of the site and that the extensions are tested and supposed to work for LibreOffice first. I would not expect too much compatibility problems for most of the extensions, but the issues will rise as the time will pass. so a non-binding +1 to welcome AOOo using our extensions and templates website. Just to clarify my view here: TDF certainly made use of the OO.o extension service to date - which is to say our users have. I am in favor of our communities working together, as equals. Right now populating the new LibO extension site with those current extensions from the OO.o site that comply with our license model helps everyone it would seem - mostly users as they get a stable service in likely the shortest possible time. So - as an interim solution I would say +1. Thanks, //drew best, Charles. 2011/7/12 drew d...@baseanswers.com On Tue, 2011-07-12 at 15:08 -0300, Jomar Silva wrote: Hi, There is some discussion going on at the Apache OOo mail list regarding the place to host extensions (http://extensions.services.openoffice.org/). It seems that the current hosting of extensions is facing some problems, and it will be great if we find a new (and common) home for the extensions, in a way that both Apache OOo and LibreOffice could use as a shared extensions repository. Hi Jomar, hmmm - that is assuming that the two separate projects will maintain enough common code base that shared extensions are possible - that is a requirement that I for one would not want to see enforced. The fact that we can share extensions today is, IMO, a remnant of a past history and should not dictate decisions for going forward - so I would not be in favor our hosting Apache OpenOffice.org branded extensions on a TDF/LibreOffice service, nor would I be in favor or seeing TDF/Libreoffice continue to point back to Apache OpenOffice.org for any future end user services. One related item here - Templates I think are a totally different consideration. I can see the ability to share templates between all of the ODF capable applications as a reasonable goal, a very desirable goal. It is extensions that I am concerned with here - to put it simply, I do not consider LibreOffice a downstream product of OpenOffice.org code any longer as with this next release if I understand correctly there will be no merge of OO.o code, nor can I see how Apache OpenOffice can ever be a down stream of LibreOffice. Nor am not saying that the two separate projects must diverge for divergence sake, only that having a shared service would add resistance to diverging and that is something that I would strongly disagree with - our options are open as of today and I would prefer to see them stay that way. I understand that many people still hope that OO.o and LibreOffice will somehow blend back into a single project - I can only say that I am not one of those people. This idea that there is some finite set of resources is one I take exception with. In my best judgment the resources assembled here under TDF/LibreOffice are sufficient to take this project and product forward. I wish the folks forming up under Apache to resurrect the OpenOffice.org project all the best of luck on the project they have decided to undertake, but I truly believe that their actions should bear very little weight with the people working here when it comes to planing/building out our offerings to end users. Sincerely, Drew Jensen We could also do the same to host templates. Any thoughts about that ? Best, Jomar -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[tdf-discuss] LibreOffice Conference Promo video - Be there!
Hi, I would like to introduce a second LibreOffice Conference Promo videos - Be there! The video is currently playing at: http://youtube.com/libreofficevols channel A master copy of the video, in multiple formats, is here, feel free to download a copy: http://lo-portal.us/temp/conference/LibreOffice-Conference-Be_there.ogg http://lo-portal.us/temp/conference/LibreOffice-Conference-Be_there.mp4 (Both files are full 1080i resolution, so if you open directly in a browser be sure to zoom out... ;-) Best wishes, //drew -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [steering-discuss] Request for official statement about dedicated logos for community groups
On Fri, 2011-07-01 at 00:35 +0200, Bernhard Dippold wrote: Hi Florian, all Florian Effenberger schrieb: Hi Bernhard, Bernhard Dippold wrote on 2011-06-10 00.25: There has been a reply by Sophie, but I didn't make out any formal SC discussion or decision on this topic. As this covers more than just design and visual identity questions (definition of teams, how to advertise teams and external groups) I don't think that this decision should be left to any of the teams like marketing or design. Hi Bernhard, I agree - but why kick it to the SC - why not start the discussion on the general discussion list and lets work out what it would mean to be a local team - what general rules folks would want in place, what responsibilities and requirements would be expected and the like. IMO right now any decision about a logo policy is premature, whether it is by your team, marketing or the SC, on this particular point - as there is still no definition of what a local team is, what it can and can not do. The use of a custom logo is only one piece of that. I know that there never seems to be enough time for these kinds of discussions, but that is never going to change - so speaking for myself I would make time this coming week to actively engage in a discussion and work on putting a draft together on the wiki with what comes out of such a discussion. It's also obvious that the clock is ticking on this issue, the folks in Paraguay are off and running from what I can see, folks (or folk) in Venezuela are eager to get going, the German team has always been in place and dominates here I'm really concerned that if only a logo use policy is put in place there is a chance for continued problems from misunderstanding what the use of such a logo will imply. Then afterwards that draft could be presented to the SC for adoption. snip Thanks, //drew -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/steering-discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [steering-discuss] Request for official statement about dedicated logos for community groups
Sorry guys that was supposed to be a draft - not a send... On Fri, 2011-07-01 at 12:24 -0400, drew wrote: On Fri, 2011-07-01 at 00:35 +0200, Bernhard Dippold wrote: Hi Florian, all Florian Effenberger schrieb: Hi Bernhard, Bernhard Dippold wrote on 2011-06-10 00.25: There has been a reply by Sophie, but I didn't make out any formal SC discussion or decision on this topic. As this covers more than just design and visual identity questions (definition of teams, how to advertise teams and external groups) I don't think that this decision should be left to any of the teams like marketing or design. Hi Bernhard, I agree - but why kick it to the SC - why not start the discussion on the general discussion list and lets work out what it would mean to be a local team - what general rules folks would want in place, what responsibilities and requirements would be expected and the like. IMO right now any decision about a logo policy is premature, whether it is by your team, marketing or the SC, on this particular point - as there is still no definition of what a local team is, what it can and can not do. The use of a custom logo is only one piece of that. I know that there never seems to be enough time for these kinds of discussions, but that is never going to change - so speaking for myself I would make time this coming week to actively engage in a discussion and work on putting a draft together on the wiki with what comes out of such a discussion. It's also obvious that the clock is ticking on this issue, the folks in Paraguay are off and running from what I can see, folks (or folk) in Venezuela are eager to get going, the German team has always been in place and dominates here I'm really concerned that if only a logo use policy is put in place there is a chance for continued problems from misunderstanding what the use of such a logo will imply. Then afterwards that draft could be presented to the SC for adoption. snip Thanks, //drew -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/steering-discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [steering-discuss] Request for official statement about dedicated logos for community groups
So the finished email follows: On Fri, 2011-07-01 at 12:35 -0400, drew wrote: Sorry guys that was supposed to be a draft - not a send... On Fri, 2011-07-01 at 12:24 -0400, drew wrote: On Fri, 2011-07-01 at 00:35 +0200, Bernhard Dippold wrote: Hi Florian, all Florian Effenberger schrieb: Hi Bernhard, Bernhard Dippold wrote on 2011-06-10 00.25: There has been a reply by Sophie, but I didn't make out any formal SC discussion or decision on this topic. As this covers more than just design and visual identity questions (definition of teams, how to advertise teams and external groups) I don't think that this decision should be left to any of the teams like marketing or design. Hi Bernhard, I agree - but why kick it to the SC - why not start the discussion on the general discussion list and lets work out what it would mean to be a local team - what general rules folks would want in place, what responsibilities and requirements would be expected and the like. IMO right now any decision about a logo policy is premature, whether it is by your team, marketing or the SC, on this particular point - as there is still no definition of what a local team is, what it can and can not do. The use of a custom logo is only one piece of that. I know that there never seems to be enough time for these kinds of discussions, but that is never going to change - so speaking for myself I would make time this coming week to actively engage in a discussion and work on putting a draft together on the wiki with what comes out of such a discussion. It's also obvious that the clock is ticking on this issue, the folks in Paraguay are off and running from what I can see, folks (or folk) in Venezuela are eager to get going, the German team has always been in place and hold a dominate position in our organization precisely because they where able to form a strong team, focused on their specific and local concerns during the previous decade. I'm really concerned that if only a logo use policy is put in place there is a chance for continued problems from misunderstanding what the use of such a logo will imply. Then afterwards that draft could be presented to the SC for adoption. snip Thanks, //drew -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/steering-discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[tdf-discuss] [Hackfest] Ohio Linux Fest
On Thu, 2011-06-23 at 15:36 -0400, drew wrote: Just a quick note. Have sent off the formal request to the OHLF organizers..will keep folks posted as specifics firm up. Hi, Quick note. Exchanged a few emails with one of the other organizers of the show. No final yes - but looks good. One slight change is looking likely - moving this from Friday the 9th to Saturday the 10th. I think that would be a plus. //drew -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Hackfest - September 9th, Ohio Linux Fest
On Thu, 2011-06-23 at 09:07 -0400, Andrew Douglas Pitonyak wrote: On 06/21/2011 11:08 AM, drew wrote: snip Anyway - would really be excited about you participating - I'm kind of running blind as to what exactly is needed for this. Might be over thinking it (I have that tendency at times). I was personally asked to submit a talk after things were closed. Great Sooo I would submit something if you desire and send an email personally, especially for something like a table. - that will just have go to them today then. Took me a while to subscribe My initial attempts while sending email simply failed for no reason obvious to me; but it was likely user error. Adios amigo, //drew -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Hackfest - September 9th, Ohio Linux Fest
Hi LeMoyne, et al On Mon, 2011-06-20 at 23:46 -0700, John LeMoyne Castle wrote: Seems to me this thread used to be longer in Nabble 8-0 Different Mailing List. I am still interested Drew and I had this thought: Even if a HackFest can't be drawn together it would be very useful to the attendees and LibreOffice to have at least a table where people could report issues (as new or as confirmation of existing issues), get coaching on appropriate upgrades, and maybe do a little testing around their known issues, hard to reproduce issues or just visit areas that are important to them as users. Seems like an excellent chance for solid feedback from committed and skillful users. Thanks for the feedback LeMoyne. Yes a table is planned for sure. User feedback is a big reason to be there and I've been a bit tardy in getting a report up on such from the last event. I'll try to rectify that later today. (Hint - mail merge is a big deal to business users) Our release options was already a point that came up in the last event also. So - my thinking here is that the important items to have in place (someone) has to be able to competently field/handle/help with the following: Getting the source code from the GIT repositories. Finding the Easy Hacks page. Work with our bugzilla system (including pulling lists of bugs/feature requests for given search criteria) Connecting with the developers on IRC Alright that is a pretty short list. What else should go on that? Thanks //drew -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Things a Hackfest facilitator should know ws ( Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Hackfest - September 9th, Ohio Linux Fest )
On Thu, 2011-06-23 at 10:44 -0400, drew wrote: big snip So - my thinking here is that the important items to have in place (someone) has to be able to competently field/handle/help with the following: Getting the source code from the GIT repositories. Finding the Easy Hacks page. Work with our bugzilla system (including pulling lists of bugs/feature requests for given search criteria) Connecting with the developers on IRC How to to do a backtrace. (setting up gdb under linux I suppose, does this then mean also a debug enabled build?) -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[tdf-discuss] Re: [Libreoffice] Hackfest - September 9th, Ohio Linux Fest
Just a quick note. Have sent off the formal request to the OHLF organizers..will keep folks posted as specifics firm up. Thanks, drew -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Hackfest - September 9th, Ohio Linux Fest
On Tue, 2011-06-21 at 08:25 -0400, Andrew Douglas Pitonyak wrote: I proposed a talk on OOo / LO and plan to attend. Did not put in much time on the proposal so not sure if it will be accepted. If something is happening there, count me in. Hi Andres, It is great to see you here. So where is this: Talked with Beth Ann E. at SELF 10 days ago about, she was very enthusiastic and wanted me to contact her direct about getting it done. Tried to get a little interest started here first - that seems to be getting traction, so sent her a message a couple of days ago. No response yet, thought I'd wait till tomorrow before pinging her again. No formal proposal to them yet, but was thinking that is a good way to ping her - didn't check if the OHLF website is still taking them as the cut-off date has passed - so might still have to rely on a direct email. Anyway - would really be excited about you participating - I'm kind of running blind as to what exactly is needed for this. Might be over thinking it (I have that tendency at times). best wishes, Drew On 06/21/2011 02:46 AM, John LeMoyne Castle wrote: Seems to me this thread used to be longer in Nabble 8-0 I am still interested Drew and I had this thought: Even if a HackFest can't be drawn together it would be very useful to the attendees and LibreOffice to have at least a table where people could report issues (as new or as confirmation of existing issues), get coaching on appropriate upgrades, and maybe do a little testing around their known issues, hard to reproduce issues or just visit areas that are important to them as users. Seems like an excellent chance for solid feedback from committed and skillful users. LeMoyne -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Hackfest-September-9th-Ohio-Linux-Fest-tp3069297p3089492.html Sent from the Discuss mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- Andrew Pitonyak My Macro Document: http://www.pitonyak.org/AndrewMacro.odt Info: http://www.pitonyak.org/oo.php -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
RE: [steering-discuss] Joining the OASIS Consortium
Thanks much for the details. //drew On Sat, 2011-06-18 at 15:42 -0700, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote: Since I am receiving reminders about my individual membership in OASIS, I can answer that question: No. There is no specific enrollment period or fixed calendar of memberships. Annual memberships are for the full year from the day a membership application is accepted. Since you are talking about an institutional membership, there will need to be an official who approves the participation of others on individual OASIS Technical Committees. Also, there are IP-policy conditions that apply to membership and contribution to each OASIS TC. TC members affiliated with TDF should not have a conflict with requirements that they are subject to as a condition of their employment elsewhere. I also don't know how closely associated someone must be with the TDF to be able to participate under the TDF membership in OASIS. If that is not clear from the application information for organizations, I am sure there are contacts who can answer any questions about that. - Dennis -Original Message- From: drew [mailto:d...@baseanswers.com] Sent: Saturday, June 18, 2011 11:24 To: steering-discuss@documentfoundation.org Subject: Re: [steering-discuss] Joining the OASIS Consortium On Sat, 2011-06-18 at 20:18 +0200, Florian Effenberger wrote: Hi, Charles-H. Schulz wrote on 2011-06-18 16.50: I think that if we go down that path we'll lose some valuable time revoting on it. The SC's mission ends when the BoD is elected and that is very clear, but until then, if decisions have to be made we should not refrain from making them. (Although I understand the need not to rush anything - but joining the OASIS is not exactly a rushed decision). well, I have no problem with deciding, but still, decisions are not binding for the future BoD, so we should keep that in mind. :-) Hi, Just wondering, is there some membership window, a period of time each year when new memberships are accepted at OASIS? Is that an issue here? Thanks Drew -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/steering-discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/steering-discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] OpenOffice.org Product Roadmap: made by whom ? was: Re: [discuss] remove of binfilter module
On Fri, 2011-06-17 at 10:53 +0200, Charles-H. Schulz wrote: Hello Martin, Answering to the discuss AT TDF list as I'm not subscribed to the other ones... Le Thu, 16 Jun 2011 18:39:54 +0200, Martin Hollmichel martin.hollmic...@googlemail.com a écrit : Hi Sam, Do you have a concrete proposal? yes, I have. First, I do not have any problems with the Apache style of decision making, lazy consensus sounds perfectly reasonable to me. I like that style. This fits perfectly to the meritocracy principle. My understanding is, that this principle is based on * contributing individuals * organizations/institutions contributing developers and/or money for the infrastructure/governance, these organizations contribute because they have derived products or other business around the regarding software. So users are represented in this model by own work power or indirectly by companies. This principle has been proven to work quite well for many open source projects. I think this principle may get enhanced by enabling a non profit organization to have their own resources on a project (This might fit into the Apache philosophy considering this organization as an contributing institution). I think this is necessary because there is already a lot of business happening around OpenOffice, but most of these businesses are just to small or have not the right expertise to execute on the meritocracy principle. So what the OOo project missed most was to have a path to get product feature or tasks done (or just 4th level support) with the help of money offered. So my proposal is continue project decisions the Apache Style but also to find a framework to make product decisions in a manner that also the concerns of Users, local communities, QA, business partners, etc. get honored. This framework also should enable to collect money so that development (committer) resources can be found to get the issues addressed in an equitable process. We already have thousands of feature requests and enhancements in the queue, we are putting a new bunch of requirements on top of it through the current transition to Apache, I think we should seek the power of _all_ OOo communities, users and businesses to achieve significant growth to make OOo a better and successful product. And I did not even included wishes like ODF Viewers, mobile and Cloud services around OOo. My offer is to develop (with all concerned parties) a new charter for all the groups mentioned above (as a successor of the Community Council Charter) and enable the project to have own development resources. The non profit organization Team OpenOffice.org e.V. played in the past just the role of being the cash box of the CC in a quite defensive way (http://download.openoffice.org/contribute.html, will you find the path to donate ??), now Team OOo is preparing to offer a link between business, communities, users and developers to enable growth on the new futile ground we are now moving on. If I understand well your proposal concerns as well the LibreOffice project. The principles you have outlined above are very much the same ones the Document Foundation has been advocating and implementing. In this respect we would welcome working with Team OOo (and other NGOs) You are also right to stress on the need to work on a charter for all the NGOs, Hi Charles, I did not read that in his remarks. and this is somewhere on our task list here. People in other countries are capable of directing their own affairs, I would think. Unless you are thinking of creating franchises, is that your goal? Thanks Drew -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] OpenOffice.org Product Roadmap: made by whom ? was: Re: [discuss] remove of binfilter module
On Fri, 2011-06-17 at 14:08 +0300, sophie wrote: Hi Drew, On 17/06/2011 13:34, drew wrote: [...] People in other countries are capable of directing their own affairs, I would think. Yes, and as we have seen with OOo, it works really well. Hi Sophie, Thanks for the quick reply. I do not know how to take your sentence above - are you actually agreeing with me or are you saying that there was a actually a problem, or problems? (not trying to be cute, it's just I'll freely admit that you refer to situations I am not knowledgeable off) Best wishes, Drew -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] OpenOffice.org Product Roadmap: made by whom ? was: Re: [discuss] remove of binfilter module
On Fri, 2011-06-17 at 14:37 +, Charles-H. Schulz wrote: big snip? er... I don't know. Let's skip the word charter, because it might be meaning one word in my language (french) and another one -or a nuance of it- in English. Let's use the word: agreement instead. What several NGOs had told us is that they would like to have a formal agreement/understanding in order to carry out specific operations locally, on our behalf, and others that would also collect or reverse funds for TDF and themselves. Do you understand a bit better what I mean? Makes perfect sense to me now. Adios, //drew -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: [Libreoffice] Proposal to join Apache OpenOffice
On Fri, 2011-06-17 at 08:46 -0700, Keith Curtis wrote: On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 8:08 AM, BRM bm_witn...@yahoo.com wrote: And TDF/LO is the real fork in this case. In your opinion it would have been a necessary fork, but it is the fork nonetheless. Any argument otherwise is revisionist history. LO was a fork, but that was the for many months ago. Yes and the transfer of OpenOffice.org to Apache is just that, a transfer. I'd add only one other comment - One doesn't have to like something in order to accept or acknowledge it. Best wishes, Drew Jensen -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[tdf-discuss] Hackfest - September 9th, Ohio Linux Fest
Howdy, Had a chance to speak with one of the organizers for the Ohio Linux fest (Columbus, Ohio, USA) regarding the possibility of holding a LibreOffice hackfest/QA session. They are quite interested and motivated to help us do this. The date would be Friday September 9th, this day is mostly used at this event for hand-on training and certification testing. As this point the show organizers are waiting to here from us regarding our interest in putting this together. Before pursuing this with them and either waisting everyones time or setting up one big FAIL I would like to see if there is interest from other community members, particularly developers, willing to help. Let me know - sooner is much better then later on this. Thanks very much, Drew Jensen -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [steering-discuss] Reminder: TDF SC call in CW 20
On Mon, 2011-05-23 at 22:18 +0200, Italo Vignoli wrote: On 05/23/2011 10:06 PM, drew wrote: My email to you was an inquiry about budgets for general show material. snip In any case, we should have some budget for giveaways and other small marketing expenses. Hi, Yes, it would help to have some guidance, perhaps if only towards general expectations for planning purposes. To re-cap there are three upcoming events that I am reasonably certain about our ability to have a presence - OSCON [1] (not sure on size, large) in July, a linux fest[2] ( with ~1,000 ppl) in 2 weeks and another Linux fest[3] in September ( 1,000 ppl). Of those three I would say that all other things being equal I would recommend more TDF expenditure emphasis on OSCON, over the two linux fests. Of course that is contingent on what exactly we could put together for staffing at OSCON. Thanks and best wishes, Drew [1] http://www.oscon.com/oscon2011 [2] http://www.southeastlinuxfest.org/home [3] http://ohiolinux.org/ -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/steering-discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [steering-discuss] Reminder: TDF SC call in CW 20
On Mon, 2011-05-23 at 21:52 +0200, Italo Vignoli wrote: On 05/21/2011 12:02 PM, Florian Effenberger wrote: So, no general objection to the proposal, but more a new task seeking for volunteers, to draft a budget plan we can stick to. :) We should also start discussing some small marketing expenses. Drew has spent 50 bucks for a table at a Linux expo, and we should be able to refund such a small amount of money. Ah, I never said that - in fact the last email from the SELF organizers was: I think we're all happy LibreOffice saved the OO.org effort from Oracle doom, and they're still getting organized themselves, I don't think there will be much objection to comp'ing LibreOffice a booth My email to you was an inquiry about budgets for general show material. I'm covering travel and lodging expenses for for 2 of us (~650.00 USD) and do not expect reimbursement, but I can not cover swag on top of that. Thanks Drew -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/steering-discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[steering-discuss] Re: [es-marketing] Re: User Groups in each country approved LibreOffice
On Sun, 2011-04-24 at 14:05 -0430, Daniel Gonzalez wrote: On 04/12/2011 08:02 AM, Daniel Gonzalez wrote: Hi all I wonder if there are any process to validate a LUG or TDF Group LibreOffice users in a given country. Venezuela is being born in a group of users after Flisol LibreOffice Caracas and one of the questions that we asked is whether the stand we had and the group that was building had approval by TDF. So far there hispanic community encompassing all Spanish-speaking countries but I think it is necessary to jump to something more localized due to local activities that may be generated in each country. Saying? Greetings Hi Guys Sorry to insist on this thread, but I think it is very important to the community in general LibreOffice Hi All, I believe that is correct. snip I also think that the best way to integrate the Hispanic community in our case -Use the local user groups in each country to attract people to government projects as The Hispanic Community LibreOffice -Centralize the efforts and resources around TDF through local user groups. -Use existing resources supported by TDF such as mailing lists, irc channel, forums, wiki, among others. The local user groups must not use existing resources and approved by TDF PS: I know no other person particularly in Venezuela that LibreOffice collaborating on the project, this can occur for many reasons. 1 .- Do not know how to collaborate in the project LibreOffice. 2 .- Do not want to collaborate. 3 .- Do not know about LibreOffice. 4 .- many others. Is that local user groups in each country can be a great benefit to the community Global LibreOffice My offering here would be to not emphasis the national aspect so much, which is to say that a group could be at a national level in some places, however I can see places where could be multiple groups active within a nation, or a group that encompassed more then one national boundary. The key is the people - you say that there is no other person in Venezuela active promoting/support LibO/TDF - but I'm not sure declaring a Venezuela User Group is the only option, perhaps you would be best served by focusing on an even smaller region, your city or province (state, not sure the term there). I can't, nor can anyone, really answer that question directly for you. My opinion is that a team, or a group, to be call itself such requires more then one person. So one person can say - Hey I want to start a team/local group, and start trying to recruit other like minded individuals to join in with you. If the idea as merit there will be others found, but on a pragmatic note you have to assume you, the person trying to organize the team, is going to be doing most everything your self at first. anyway - I only wanted to comment on that one point - this idea of local teams being national based, looking at a broad policy I would not necessarily, or at all, use that as a basis, I think some places that would happen. @Daniel, I'll back up and comment on some of your other points in further emails. Thanks Drew -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/steering-discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [us-marketing] Re: [steering-discuss] Re: User Groups in each country approved LibreOffice
On Thu, 2011-05-05 at 10:19 -0400, drew wrote: On Thu, 2011-05-05 at 15:32 +0300, sophie wrote: snip I already gave my opinion on this topic to Daniel and Daniel, so they know that I'm all for their action. I'm the one battling the most I think for the language groups to be the only official representation in the project, Hi Sophie, others Alright - this is the part I find difficult to reconcile only official representation. Naturally there are certain functions here, such as translations where the language based association of individuals should make a team and that team should have responsibility for that function. sorry - poor typing However, once you step past translation work I do not see the clear line that says this group has official responsibilities with other functions performed. Could you expand on that for me, what you mean by 'only official representation' - it would help me understand. but I completely understand the needs for local marketing and support. So of course, I support the creation of the material you're designing and also really appreciate your work on this. As I tell you, there is already various associations existing in different countries that support local actions, more or less officially representing LibreOffice. I would like that we have a more clear and defined affiliation and support between these associations and the TDF, but I didn't get the time to think enough about it yet. In any way, if you want to set such associations in Venezuela or Argentina, I don't see any issue. If I follow what you are saying - if you create a legal entity of some kind, outside of TDF, and then want to work with us that is OK - that is a fairly high bar to set, IMO. Thanks Drew -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/steering-discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Forums... again
On Wed, 2011-04-27 at 17:55 +0200, James Wilde wrote: On Apr 26, 2011, at 18:57 , David Nelson wrote: Hi Sam, I regretfully have to inform you that I had to remove the link to the LibreOfficeForum.org site at the request of Drew Jensen seconded by Charles Schulz. Sorry about that. Personally, I have no issues with your site. I think Drew is willing to debate the matter. Maybe a solution could be found? Would removing the advertising be a possibility? Anyway, just to keep you informed... I don't know whether I've missed something coming to this thread late, but is there an explanation of why they requested that the link be removed? Hi James, That would best come from me perhaps. The reason is actually rather simple - during this discussion it was apparent that a number of people where strongly opposed to linking directly to that forum. I do not think anyone would say that any type of agreement let alone consensus had been reached. while this was going one of the people with edit rights to the main web pages added links to the site, without I believe realizing that this was being discussed still. My asking that person to remove the link should be construed as meaning that the action was not appropriate at this time. Beyond that I would like to make a few comments more directly to a few points raised, but they would be best added to the emails in which they were raised and I will do so as time permits during the day. I hope that answers your question on the specific point. Best wishes, Drew Jensen -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Forums... again
On Mon, 2011-04-25 at 10:44 +0200, Christian Lohmaier wrote: Hi Augistine, *, On Mon, Apr 25, 2011 at 5:38 AM, Augustine Souza aesouza2...@gmail.com wrote: I have no issues with a forum that is commercial presumably to [b]cover costs[/b]. As Andy says, the ads are easily blocked (in that I had no need to take specific steps to block ads from that site). But the point was about listing forums as officially approved or somthing along those lines, and then I don't want the forum to list ads. Hi Christian. It is OK if it has a paypal or whatever donate link to explicitly cover the costs of running the server (but it must be clear that this is different than to donate to TDF/LO itself), but no google-adwords or even worse graphical ads. In general I would like to see the ads limited and focused, but out right banned in favor of a donate button - I don't see the difference, do you really think that a donate button means that the money doesn't go to the owner or that they will stop taking donations as soon as the cost is covered. Also perfectly fine to list the sponsor (the one who hosts the forum/runs it/pays for it) the header or footer. compare http://libreoffice-forum.de/ with http://libreofficeforum.org/ I don't have a problem with listing the first, but I don't want to link the second one as approved forum because of the ads. (Not to mention the lack of subcategories that has been mentioned before) I do not like the ads and the number of them on libreofficeforum but I would not feel so strongly is they where focused, as is it is a bit too commercial for my taste. (actually I was totally against ads, at all, in the beginning but I've started to change my mind on that) What would you do with the forum at http://lo-portal.de In or Out? And it doesn't matter whether you or others don't see it because you got adblock installed. Actually it is not adbolck, it is that if you register then no ads, IIRC. The other visitors that follow links from the lo website don't have that enabled, thus they do see the ads. Yup that is the rub. So bottom line is: If you want to have your forum listed on the LO webpage, you must not have ads, neither textual nor graphcial (sponsored by is OK). That is my POV. Bottom line - I think that is too stringent, but it is a close call IMO. Thanks Drew -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] Question about proposing the creation of a new format
On Mon, 2011-04-25 at 09:39 +0200, Italo Vignoli wrote: On 04/25/2011 08:59 AM, todd rme wrote: Sounds like latex Apart from discussions on the characteristics of the file format, ebooks are definitely outside the scope of The Document Foundation. Hello Italo, As far as LibreOffice being a display client for ebooks, I would agree it is not in scope. However, should LibreOffice have support for producing documents targeted to eReaders? I don't know maybe, probably. Thanks Drew -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] Question about proposing the creation of a new format
On Mon, 2011-04-25 at 11:17 +0200, CaStarCo wrote: 2011/4/25 Italo Vignoli italo.vign...@gmail.com On 04/25/2011 08:59 AM, todd rme wrote: Sounds like latex Apart from discussions on the characteristics of the file format, ebooks are definitely outside the scope of The Document Foundation. There are already several organizations working around ebooks, and taking care of the related problems. snip Wich organizations? I think that if we have to trust that these organizations will innovate we are going to wait a very long time. I know that I am not a guru and not and expert, but I think that this work is not impossible.. then, why the actual ebooks are that set of static crap? why it's so difficult to make technic books for ebook readers? the usage of semantic data is restricted in a very poor set of cases... and the standard format EPUB is very Spartan. snip I was writting to the OpenDocument Foundation Close - but not quite - this is a list for The Document Foundation. The OpenDocument standard is overseen by a different organization, OASIS - http://www.oasis-open.org/ because i thought it was a little more than LibreOffice... It's only LibreOffice? I hope that it will be eventually. Thanks Drew Jensen -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Forums... again
On Mon, 2011-04-25 at 12:27 +0200, Christian Lohmaier wrote: Hi Drew, *, On Mon, Apr 25, 2011 at 11:05 AM, drew d...@baseanswers.com wrote: On Mon, 2011-04-25 at 10:44 +0200, Christian Lohmaier wrote: On Mon, Apr 25, 2011 at 5:38 AM, Augustine Souza aesouza2...@gmail.com wrote: [...] In general I would like to see the ads limited and focused, but out right banned in favor of a donate button - I don't see the difference, do you really think that a donate button means that the money doesn't go to the owner or that they will stop taking donations as soon as the cost is covered. Howdy, I do see a difference, Fair enough. It is not about that they get money, it is /how/ the money is collected. Also fair enough. It is the impression that the user will get. Clicking a donate button is a voluntary choice by the user clicking that button. Being presented/forced to view an advertisement is not an optional thing. Was not the user forced to view the donate advertisement, that is what it is after all, an advertisement. The user of a display ad is not forced to click on it. A user could user an ad blocker to keep themselves from being 'insulted' by the advertisement (I assume as I do not use one), but if I understand correctly this would not turn off the donate advertisement. (I'm not really sure on that.) What would you do with the forum at http://lo-portal.de In or Out? I wonder why this can not be clear - (did you forget to turn off your adblocker?) Again, I don't use one, so I see all those ads. It is a definite Out. it has animated, blinking banner-style adds. That's just annoying and way too much. The adds are at the top, at the left, at the right, at the bottom. That's way too much. So bottom line is: If you want to have your forum listed on the LO webpage, you must not have ads, neither textual nor graphcial (sponsored by is OK). That is my POV. Bottom line - I think that is too stringent, but it is a close call IMO. Not really. Either you want to support the project, by donating your server or your time, or you want to get revenue by having ads. After all setting up a forum is not rocket science, @Hagar, guys - I'm done. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [steering-discuss] SC call recording from CW 16 online
On Fri, 2011-04-22 at 13:28 +0200, Florian Effenberger wrote: Hello, the SC call recording from calendar week 16 is online at http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/TDF/Steering_Committee_Meetings#Minutes_2011-04-21 Hello Florian Thanks for seeing to this for everyones benefit. There seems to be a problem with the last two meeting recordings however, each after download is 16.01 K in size. Neither is recognized by any player I possess. I would appreciate it if you wouldn't mind checking that, when you have a chance. Best wishes, Drew -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/steering-discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] using information from OOo lists for LibO marketing? (was: Fwd: [users] Licensing Details)
On Fri, 2011-04-22 at 10:52 +0200, James Wilde wrote: snip I've come to the conclusion that there is no way I can write the intended message on the OOo list without breaching Bernhard's desire not to rile former colleagues. snip However, one thing I do think is extremely interesting is that no-one has yet answered the OPs message on the list, Hi James, If I may - you intention for being connected to both projects I take it, is to support both projects, yes? Then why not simply respond to him on the OpenOffice.org mail list and answer his question as asked - from the OpenOffice.org perspective? Thanks Drew -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[tdf-discuss] The fast evolving shape of documents
Hi, Just thought I'd pass along a reference to this article: http://drdobbs.com/tools/229400040 As is often the case some of the comments to the article are quite interesting also: (for those that don't subscribe the mag) The key item is that the historical use of static monochromatic text is no longer necessary. It is technically possible for documents to in- clude animation, multiple colors, and even three dimensions. Since software applications are dynamic and fast moving, I should think that animated software design methods would improve software quality and reliability. Ordinary news documents and journals could also expand by includ- ing some animated segments. This already occurs with some of the ads that pop up when you access journals, but I'm speaking of editorial content and not extraneous marketing material. —Capers Jones To make electronic forms of documents an adequate, perhaps superior replacement for printed documents, we need three levels of independ- ent abstractions for documents: the document itself, how the docu- ment is rendered on a particular media or device, and the markup for that document. A document should be able to be rendered through a transformation that is a function of a device and display parameters. This leads to the notion that page numbers simply are not ideal for electronic documents. Also, I’d like the markup to reference, but be separate from, the book. I want my markup to be durable, but one thing that this could also give us is multiple markups for the same doc- ument. Of course, this markup needs to be rendered also. So, the pipeline is Document-Document+Markup-Display Device. Markup also needs to go back from Display-Control to portable markup. —Geoffrey Pascoe As a Content Manager and Knowledge Management system consultant for the same software company, I’m still amazed at how we hold on to the “book” paradigm when it comes to documentation. This includes our product documentation group. —Michael Boor A little something to chew over perhaps. Best wishes, Drew -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] Fwd: [users] Licensing Details
On Thu, 2011-04-21 at 19:05 +0200, M Henri Day wrote: 2011/4/21 James Wilde james.wi...@sunde-wilde.com Just got this message in my inbox. I wonder if sending him a note about LibO would be considered to be in breach of the comprehensive warning at the bottom. //James Begin forwarded message: From: SAEED AHMED saeed.ah...@3i-infotech.com Date: April 20, 2011 15:34:31 GMT+02:00 To: us...@openoffice.org us...@openoffice.org Subject: [users] Licensing Details Reply-To: us...@openoffice.org Hi, We are working and quoting for an upcoming a government opportunity, which intent to supply around 500 desktops. The suggested operating system would be Windows 7, and we would like to propose open office as an Office Suite for all the 500 desktops. Request to share the details on licensing in case of any. The Following components need to imply. 1. Full version and Perpetual use by client 2. Patches and Support till the product is supported by Openoffice.Org Looking forward to hear from you. Thanks and Regards, Syed Saeed Ahmed, Senior Manager - IT Services and eGovernance, 3i Infotech Ltd. Tel.Direct: + 91 22 39814534 | Mobile : + 91 9967014782 | Email: saeed.ah...@3i-infotech.com | www.3i-infotech.com * 3i Infotech wins the WorldBlu List of Most Democratic Workplaces 2010 Award * To file your Tax Returns just in minutes all you need is you Visit www.taxsmile.com India's Premier tax filing portal. This e-mail message may contain confidential,proprietary or legally privileged information. It should not be used by anyone who is not the original intended recipient. If you have erroneously received this message, please delete it immediately and notify the sender. The recipient acknowledges that 3i Infotech or its subsidiaries and associated companies,(collectively 3i Infotech), are unable to exercise control or ensure or guarantee the integrity of/over the contents of the information contained in e-mail transmissions and further acknowledges that any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender and no binding nature of the message shall be implied or assumed unless the sender does so expressly with due authority of 3i Infotech. Before opening any attachments please check them for viruses and defects. Well, James, as I read that last paragraph above, Mr Ahmed requests those who have «erroneously received» his posting to notify him in that event. Thus I presume you are within your rights to contact him whether or no your receipt of the posting can be considered erroneous. As the paragraph does not explicitly prohibit mentioning LibO in sucjh a notification, I also presume that you would be within your rights to do so. The above, of course, with the caveat that I am hardly an expert in Indian, Singaporean, Thai, Malaysian, or UK legal practices Henri That's all well and good - but - contacting him is simply _wrong_ IMO. He asked a question on the OpenOffice.org users list, not LibreOffice. To forward such a message here was wrong and such actions should NOT be tolerated. Sincerely, Drew Jensen -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] Fwd: [users] Licensing Details
On Thu, 2011-04-21 at 22:40 +0200, M Henri Day wrote: 2011/4/21 drew d...@baseanswers.com On Thu, 2011-04-21 at 19:05 +0200, M Henri Day wrote: 2011/4/21 James Wilde james.wi...@sunde-wilde.com Just got this message in my inbox. I wonder if sending him a note about LibO would be considered to be in breach of the comprehensive warning at the bottom. //James Begin forwarded message: From: SAEED AHMED saeed.ah...@3i-infotech.com Date: April 20, 2011 15:34:31 GMT+02:00 To: us...@openoffice.org us...@openoffice.org Subject: [users] Licensing Details Reply-To: us...@openoffice.org Hi, receipt of the posting can be considered erroneous. As the paragraph does not explicitly prohibit mentioning LibO in sucjh a notification, I also presume that you would be within your rights to do so. The above, of course, with the caveat that I am hardly an expert in Indian, Singaporean, Thai, Malaysian, or UK legal practices Henri That's all well and good - but - contacting him is simply _wrong_ IMO. He asked a question on the OpenOffice.org users list, not LibreOffice. To forward such a message here was wrong and such actions should NOT be tolerated. Sincerely, Drew Jensen «It is not best that we should all think alike; it is a *difference of opinion* that *makes horse races*.» Hi Henri Sorry, I have to disagree. If James truly believes it is appropriate to respond to a query of this nature, made on the OpenOffice.org mailing list, with a recommendation to use a different application then he should (must) be willing to do so in the open, on that mailing list. Sincerely, Drew Jensen -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] North American Community Inaugural Meeting
On Tue, 2011-04-19 at 22:52 -0400, Fabián Rodríguez wrote: On 04/17/2011 02:08 PM, drew wrote: Hi folks, I would like to ask the members of the LibreOffice community residing in North America for a few minutes of your time. First - to please take ~six minutes of your time in order to watch the video found here: http://www.facebook.com/v/1840388402746 Hi Drew, Can this video be posted elsewhere so it's not exclusively on Facebook in Flash ? I'll gladly help putting it on archive.org if you point me to its source. Cheers, Fabian -- LibreOffice questions ? Des questions sur LibreOffice ? Preguntas acerca de LibreOffice ? Ask LibreOffice: http://libreoffice.shapado.com/ ~ Fabián Rodríguez http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/User:MagicFab http://www.archive.org/details/AnnounceInauguralMeetingOfLibreofficeNorthAmericanCommunity *smile*...obviously will need a better naming scheme.. Thanks Drew -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Forums... again
On Mon, 2011-04-18 at 20:15 -0400, Jason Corfman wrote: From my perspective, there are two major OpenOffice.org forums, and if you ask me, right now, neither are very good alternatives. The first is http://user.services.openoffice.org/en/forum. While it is a community forum, it was set up back in 2007 on (then) Sun servers, which are currently controlled by Oracle. Considering last week's announcement from Oracle about turning OpenOffice.org over to the community, you have to wonder how long Oracle will allow that forum to be hosted on their servers, and if it gets booted off, where will it go? Hi Jason, I think that is precisely what prompted Ricardo to venture over here and ask the question he did - he and some of others where looking to reach out and see if this group might be willing to step in if that happened - It didn't go so well. so - If you think that neither of the OO.o forums are good alternatives what would you suggest? Also - There is already ancillary forums going up that are LibreOffice specific, or at least carry the LibO name, two are German language only (one straight phpBB and one a Joomla mod) and one multi language (a Drupal mod), including English and German for that matter, so three German language web forums already . Thanks Drew Jensen -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[tdf-discuss] North American Community Inaugural Meeting
Hi folks, I would like to ask the members of the LibreOffice community residing in North America for a few minutes of your time. First - to please take ~six minutes of your time in order to watch the video found here: http://www.facebook.com/v/1840388402746 and to consider the proposals made in it. The Doodle poll mentioned in the video can be found here: http://doodle.com/76xtkw3m42793zqq A wiki page has been started (rather lame at the moment but will be fleshed out over the next few days) here: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/North-American-Community Coordination efforts are primarily happening on the US Marketing mailing list. http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/US-Marketing-f1717244.html Thanks, in advance, for you time and consideration, Drew Jensen -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] North American Community Inaugural Meeting
Way to go! Thank you for setting this up. Thanks Charles, but this chick is far from hatched still. //drew -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: How to pronounce the name (again, sorry)
On Wed, 2011-03-30 at 09:45 -0400, Charles Marcus wrote: Can we please stop with all of this nonsense about how to pronounce the name? +1 Best wishes, Drew -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [steering-discuss] Trademark Policy - Final?
On Thu, 2011-03-03 at 22:49 +0100, Charles-H. Schulz wrote: er... almost. We're voting/fixing the latest bugs. Hello Charles, Well I'll just have to be patient then...*smile*..I must admit there was one interesting, to me anyway, late edit, which I didn't expect. It would be great if you could give a high sign when the actual vote is finished. Thanks very much, Drew Jensen -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/steering-discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [steering-discuss] Approval of our Trademark Policy
On Fri, 2011-03-04 at 00:12 +0100, Christoph Noack wrote: Hi Charles, hi all! LOGO POLICY I've overhauled the logo policy, although the naming of some items seems still to be strange (I'd like to have some shorter names like: TDF Logo, Community Logo - or something like that). http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Logo_Policy Hi, Well which is it - is the community logo w/registered trademark, mark or not? - it is both ways on the wiki page above - PNG w/out any mark, SVG with 'registered trademark, while on the trademark policy page it seems that maybe it is just a tm that is appropriate at this time. Thanks so much, in advance Drew Jensen -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/steering-discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Help with telling the story Re: [tdf-discuss] Accessibility: What's the story?
On Wed, 2011-02-16 at 17:30 +, Michael Meeks wrote: Hi Joanie, On Wed, 2011-02-16 at 16:24 +0100, Cor Nouws wrote: * Is there an active a11y team and/or developers focused on a11y issues in LibreOffice? Sure there are people with a focus on this. I am not sure if we actually can speak of 'a team'. Quite - whether there is a team at OO.o is a similar question ;-) there are people who can help fix problems. From ORCA's perspective, I created the design, prototype, and ~50% of the existing atk bridge in vcl; so I wouldn't fret that we are skill-less in this area :-) Furthermore, it is far easier to work on LibreOffice process-wise to get fixes in, so I anticipate (over time) a better accessibility experience; and of course we welcome patches (on the dev list). Hi, If I may change the subject here for a moment. When lasted I noted any comment on the OO.o lists with regard to the IAccessibilty code coming from IBM, IIRC, the comment was that it was 'not yet integrated' - I don't know if that is still true. From LibreOffice stand point, I am not sure I have heard what the plan is, would that integration be merged here? (if the answer is still don't know till we see it - that's a valid answer) I remember watching the session on accessibility at the last OOoConn and I know there was a MS rep there, as I remember you had some small interaction. I'm don't know then if your (the dev teams) thoughts are to look for the integration coming via OO.o/IBM or if you are looking at going a different route. Please don't feel you need to respond directly - if there are some references already (other emails, blogs) it would be great if anyone could point in the direction of those. This next period there are number of shows in the US and the question of accessibility is treated quite directly in this area. I was thinking of trying to create a small reference piece for the booth staff at the shows with some information on this subject (within this next 2 weeks - to make the first show): LIbreOffice support for accessibility technologies (current and future) [or something similar] I'm starting with the assumption that anything relating to OO.o 3.3 would be correct also for Libo 3.3 - correct assumption? Beyond that - I'm not asking for a direct response here to this email, but if that assumption is not correct, or there are actual plans for a different direction for integration it would be much appreciated if anyone could direct some links my way, I will read and assemble a smaller flyer type piece, then ask folks to review it. Thanks for your time, Drew -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
[tdf-discuss] Looking for two people to act as sponsors of US TDF/LibreOffice fund raising event
Hi, I was thinking about fund raising for the TDF, given we will be at a big event coming up in the USA, well over a thousand Linux enthusiasts and I dare say many, in only 12 days, it is no surprise. Many LibreOffice supports and well wishers will be in that crowed, I would say. Here is an idea then: We hold a raffle at the show. For what - for a poster. Here is scaled down image: (coincidentally making a nice desktop background on many monitors_ http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:Scale_poster-lax_lnd-1680x1050.png The poster would be 36 x 24 and mounted. Suitable for framing. It will be prominently displayed in the LbreOffice booth at the Southern California Linux Expo We sell raffle tickets of $1.00 each for the one and only copy of this poster. _All_ proceeds go to the TDF fund raising drive. Well, what do you think? What I am looking for then are two persons. One would sponsor the production cost (Exact price delivered with direct email to me) I am quite certain your donation will be multiplied! I am absolutely convinced that it would generate a few hundred dollars, rather easily. The second person - I am looking for someone that will pledge to match the amount raised at the show. It's that simple. Thank you for your time, your consideration on this issue and your contribution. Sincerely, Drew Jensen -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Looking for ONE person ( was: Re: [tdf-discuss] Looking for two people to act as sponsors of US TDF/LibreOffice fund raising event )
On Sun, 2011-02-13 at 10:20 -0500, drew wrote: Hi, I was thinking about fund raising for the TDF, given we will be at a big event coming up in the USA, well over a thousand Linux enthusiasts and I dare say many, in only 12 days, it is no surprise. Many LibreOffice supports and well wishers will be in that crowed, I would say. Here is an idea then: We hold a raffle at the show. For what - for a poster. Here is scaled down image: (coincidentally making a nice desktop background on many monitors_ http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:Scale_poster-lax_lnd-1680x1050.png The poster would be 36 x 24 and mounted. Suitable for framing. It will be prominently displayed in the LbreOffice booth at the Southern California Linux Expo We sell raffle tickets of $1.00 each for the one and only copy of this poster. _All_ proceeds go to the TDF fund raising drive. Well, what do you think? What I am looking for then are two persons. One would sponsor the production cost (Exact price delivered with direct email to me) Greetings, We _have_ a sponsor for the production cost - and in the finest tradition of our Puritan roots here in the states, an anonymous one at that. SO - Still looking for someone willing to pledge to match the monies collected at the show. I am quite certain your donation will be multiplied! I am absolutely convinced that it would generate a few hundred dollars, rather easily. The second person - I am looking for someone that will pledge to match the amount raised at the show. It's that simple. This is a very important role here - having a match grant _will_ increase the number of donations, raffle entries. You will also be donating the most cash from your pocket! (at least I sure hope so :-) Perhaps you are willing to match up to only a certain amount, that is fine IMO - let's talk about that. So - who is out there? Yup I'm talking to my fellow citizens in the US, we have a good vehicle to contribute here..going...going Thank you for your time, your consideration on this issue and your contribution. Sincerely, Drew Jensen -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: Looking for ONE person ( was: Re: [tdf-discuss] Looking for two people to act as sponsors of US TDF/LibreOffice fund raising event )
On Sun, 2011-02-13 at 12:59 -0500, adept techlists - kazar wrote: not in the position to fill the role of pledge-matching but just wanted to say this is a great idea. good luck! Howdy kazar Thanks I think this has potential for sure, an announcement on the SCaLE Facebook site, with the picture of the poster, in just a bit here perhaps a tweet or two and who knows. I think we will do very well. Which to recap. The TDF/LibreOffice booth will raffle off a singular piece of art work, in the form of a professionally produced full color, treated and mounted poster: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/cgi_img_auth.php/e/e9/Scale_poster-lax_lnd-1680x1050.png in the LibreOffice booth, #4, at SCaLE from Feb 25th - 27th. We are looking for a person, or persons (?), to make a pledge to match the amount collected at the show, or some portion of this amount. The full proceeds will be donated to TDF founding fees. Thank you, Drew Jensen -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: Looking for ONE person ( was: Re: [tdf-discuss] Looking for two people to act as sponsors of US TDF/LibreOffice fund raising event )
On Sun, 2011-02-13 at 13:40 -0500, Benjamin Horst wrote: Hello, On Feb 13, 2011, at 1:28 PM, drew wrote: I think this has potential for sure, an announcement on the SCaLE Facebook site, with the picture of the poster, in just a bit here perhaps a tweet or two and who knows. I think we will do very well. Which to recap. The TDF/LibreOffice booth will raffle off a singular piece of art work, in the form of a professionally produced full color, treated and mounted poster: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/cgi_img_auth.php/e/e9/Scale_poster-lax_lnd-1680x1050.png in the LibreOffice booth, #4, at SCaLE from Feb 25th - 27th. We are looking for a person, or persons (?), to make a pledge to match the amount collected at the show, or some portion of this amount. The full proceeds will be donated to TDF founding fees. This really is a great idea, Drew! We might want a company to be the one to match donations. I know WorldLabel.com has been a good and very generous member of the community, perhaps they could assist? I've also reached out to another company I know who I think might be interested. I'll keep you posted. Hola Ben. Brilliant - can I leave both, and it sounds like perhaps other, of those contacts to you? Also - we need a blog on this - it needs to explain, in brief, the use of the funds - likely that is already written on the wiki page Florian put up - a shot of the poster art, links to the show... That would be most useful in solicitation emails to business owners and corporate reps, I would think. Anyone with a hankering for this and access to the main blog, as that would have the most impact IMO? //drew -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
[tdf-discuss] Indiana Linux Fest - March 25th - 27th
Howdy, Looking for anyone that might be willing to help out with a TDF/LibreOffice table at the first annual Indiana Linuxfest[1]. It appears that we may have someone giving a presentation about TDF/LibreOffice also, but at this lacking folks to staff a table. If you are interested please come by the US Marketing list[2] Thanks //drew [1]http://www.indianalinux.org/cms/ [2]mailto:market...@us.libreoffice.org -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
[tdf-discuss] 恭禧發財
The year of the Rabbit is upon us, So go do what rabbit's do! Which is . tell all their friends about LibreOffice! 长寿 Drew -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: [tdf-discuss] 恭禧發財
On Thu, 2011-02-03 at 17:37 +0100, yahoo-pier_andreit wrote: Il 03/02/2011 16:10, M Henri Day ha scritto: 2011/2/3 drew d...@baseanswers.com The year of the Rabbit is upon us, So go do what rabbit's do! Which is . tell all their friends about LibreOffice! 长寿 Drew *祝 新春快乐 ！ *Henri (*戴安理*) whoat are you talking about?:-) Hola, العرض جناح المكتب متعدد اللغات..* ابتسامة * LibreOffice - The premiere multilingual office suite..*smile* Adios, Drew The merry prankster Walk like an Egyptian - fearlessly! -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] SCALE
On Thu, 2011-02-03 at 18:51 +0100, Italo Vignoli wrote: On 2/3/11 6:29 PM, drew wrote: BTW, Jeff, myself and hopefully Andy will be at the Southern California Linux Expo - Feb 25th - 27th ..stop by the LibreOffice booth and say hello if you are in the area. Hi Drew, what about a short note to the US press reminding that you will be there? Just a selected few that have covered the LibreOffice announcement. Hi Italo, Sounds good - if you would like I could draft it, with the help of the guys on the US list, then send to you direct email for final editing and dissemination? I am working on a personal blog post right now about this and should publish that later this evening, also. Grazie, Drew -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: [tdf-discuss] 恭禧發財
मुझे आश्चर्य है अगर हिन्दू खरगोश का साल भी मनाते हैं I don't know very much about Hindu culture, maybe, perhaps someone will come along an let us know. This is one of the greatest joys of my time with the old OO.o and this project, the chance to interact with folks from around the world. It is so easy, particularly in my country, to fall into the trap of believing that one stands at the center of the world, while the truth is simply that there is no center. Only the place one is currently standing. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: [tdf-discuss] 恭禧發財
On Thu, 2011-02-03 at 20:42 +0100, James Wilde wrote: :-))) 'ntepreoccupa' nun s'offennemo, e mica c'ho o so si mo http://translate.google.com/# te po da 'na mano :- You win, Pier. Couldn't sort that one out. :) I think it is something along the lines of: No offense taken and none intended But could be wildly mistaken. //drew (and what is up with all the repeating re:[tdf-discuss] tags) -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
