Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Old Bugs
Would it be useful if I made a list in the wiki of bugs with X number votes or more? Then someone more familiar with the go-oo features and the LibO codebase can perhaps check some off that list that are already implemented. The remaining list might provide a nice starting point for some LibO developers to reexamine things that might have been passed over in the OOo community for whatever reason. On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 9:38 PM, NoOp wrote: > On 11/02/2010 08:28 AM, T. J. Brumfield wrote: > > There were several old, often commented on, and often requested bug fixes > > and features that didn't receive much attention or weren't resolved with > OOo > > over the years. > > > > For those who may not be aware of the reasons for the shift/fork, or for > > those who don't care about politics with software, resolving some of > these > > old bugs might be a reason for users to switch over to LibreOffice. > > > > For instance, the bug/feature request with the most votes for OOo is a > SVG > > import filter. go-oo implemented that feature. I assume LibreOffice will > > include that patch. > > > > Here is an eight year old bug/feature request with over 300 votes. > > > > http://qa.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=3959 > > Here is one high on my list: > http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=79720 > [Protect Document but allow input field entry - MS Word to OOo] > they duped it to: > http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=33737 > [Allow for in-place editing of input field (turn off pop-up)] > but I highly recommend reading 79720 before wandering off to 33737 as > 79720 is not a duplicate of 33737 but they are closely related. Also > note the 'go-oo' comments... > > > > > > -- > Unsubscribe instructions: Email to > discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org > Posting guidelines: http://netmeister.org/news/learn2quote.html > Archive: http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ > *** All posts to this list are publicly archived *** > > -- "I'm questioning my education Rewind and what does it show? Could be, the truth it becomes you I'm a seed, wondering why it grows" -- Pearl Jam, Education -- Unsubscribe instructions: Email to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines: http://netmeister.org/news/learn2quote.html Archive: http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived ***
[tdf-discuss] Re: Old Bugs
Le 2010-11-04 23:02, T. J. Brumfield a écrit : Would it be useful if I made a list in the wiki of bugs with X number votes or more? Then someone more familiar with the go-oo features and the LibO codebase can perhaps check some off that list that are already implemented. The remaining list might provide a nice starting point for some LibO developers to reexamine things that might have been passed over in the OOo community for whatever reason. On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 9:38 PM, NoOp wrote: Are you hoping for them to do something on this version? If so, apparently, the next beta or rc is going to be announced very soon. Marc -- Unsubscribe instructions: Email to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines: http://netmeister.org/news/learn2quote.html Archive: http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived ***
[tdf-discuss] Re: Old Bugs
On 11/02/2010 08:28 AM, T. J. Brumfield wrote: > There were several old, often commented on, and often requested bug fixes > and features that didn't receive much attention or weren't resolved with OOo > over the years. > > For those who may not be aware of the reasons for the shift/fork, or for > those who don't care about politics with software, resolving some of these > old bugs might be a reason for users to switch over to LibreOffice. > > For instance, the bug/feature request with the most votes for OOo is a SVG > import filter. go-oo implemented that feature. I assume LibreOffice will > include that patch. > > Here is an eight year old bug/feature request with over 300 votes. > > http://qa.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=3959 Here is one high on my list: http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=79720 [Protect Document but allow input field entry - MS Word to OOo] they duped it to: http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=33737 [Allow for in-place editing of input field (turn off pop-up)] but I highly recommend reading 79720 before wandering off to 33737 as 79720 is not a duplicate of 33737 but they are closely related. Also note the 'go-oo' comments... -- Unsubscribe instructions: Email to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines: http://netmeister.org/news/learn2quote.html Archive: http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived ***
[tdf-discuss] Re: Old Bugs
Le 2010-11-04 03:26, Marc Paré a écrit : Hi everyone: I have submitted it as a feature request. You can add to this if you want. The more we chatter about this the more they will look into it. https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=31386 Cheers Marc -- Unsubscribe instructions: Email to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines: http://netmeister.org/news/learn2quote.html Archive: http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Old Bugs
On Thu, 04 Nov 2010 13:32:54 +0100, Peter Rodwell wrote: > Then the Web site needs updating. It still says: "Be advised that the > current beta might replace your OpenOffice.org installation." Not anymore, thanks for the heads up. Sebastian -- Unsubscribe instructions: Email to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines: http://netmeister.org/news/learn2quote.html Archive: http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Old Bugs
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 11/4/2010 8:25 AM, Peter Rodwell wrote: > I've noticed a slight delay (< 1 second) the first time it's called; after > that it pops up instantly. This with Win 7 Ultimate on my 4-core Dell > workhorse. It's significantly longer--several seconds--on my more modest Win XP box running at 2.4 gHz on a P4 processor. I'd hazard a guess that my box is more typical. > As I mentioned in my reply to Marc's posting, the advanced features > could be hidden, to be opened with an "Advanced" button. "Pretty" certainly > is an important aspect that's lacking in it right now. No argument from me on either point! - -- Steven Shelton -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iD8DBQFM0rR9XUonIzCvpdMRAi3wAKCeEpAoi8dOn9ZpbvjauuoEqf9WlACeNIQ8 tM6FOTq24Wl/Dvt3iYvaZNo= =0jE/ -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Unsubscribe instructions: Email to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines: http://netmeister.org/news/learn2quote.html Archive: http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Old Bugs
On Thu, 4 Nov 2010 14:11:02 +0100, RGB ES wrote: > As far as I can see, it is all on OOo macro language: if you install > the extension and look at Tools -> Macro -> Organize macros -> > LibreOffice basic you will find all about it. DOH, I should have found that out myself. That is phantastic. +1 for getting that in :). Who has already filed a bug for it? Sebastian -- Unsubscribe instructions: Email to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines: http://netmeister.org/news/learn2quote.html Archive: http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Old Bugs
As far as I can see, it is all on OOo macro language: if you install the extension and look at Tools -> Macro -> Organize macros -> LibreOffice basic you will find all about it. 2010/11/4 Sebastian Spaeth : > On Thu, 04 Nov 2010 08:01:47 -0400, Charles Marcus wrote: >> +10 - Find/Replace was a frustrating exercise for me until I found this >> extension many months ago. It absolutely should *replace* the current >> implementation. > > 1) Could someone please identify the source? It seems LGPG license but > when going to that homepage my Russian isn't good enough to actually see > some source code. > > 2) which language is the thing done in? Is it more Java or some other > language? > > Sebastian > > -- > Unsubscribe instructions: Email to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org > Posting guidelines: http://netmeister.org/news/learn2quote.html > Archive: http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ > *** All posts to this list are publicly archived *** > > -- Unsubscribe instructions: Email to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines: http://netmeister.org/news/learn2quote.html Archive: http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Old Bugs
On Thu, 04 Nov 2010 08:01:47 -0400, Charles Marcus wrote: > +10 - Find/Replace was a frustrating exercise for me until I found this > extension many months ago. It absolutely should *replace* the current > implementation. 1) Could someone please identify the source? It seems LGPG license but when going to that homepage my Russian isn't good enough to actually see some source code. 2) which language is the thing done in? Is it more Java or some other language? Sebastian -- Unsubscribe instructions: Email to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines: http://netmeister.org/news/learn2quote.html Archive: http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Old Bugs
Quoting Steven Shelton: I'm reluctant to download the beta since the Web site says it will overwrite my existing Oo and I don't have an available spare machine at the moment. I'll see if I can free up one and try it. I am not sure if this is still the case. Maybe someone else can comment on this? I thought it was fixed in Beta2. This is fixed in Beta 2. Then the Web site needs updating. It still says: "Be advised that the current beta might replace your OpenOffice.org installation." However, LibO crashes constantly on my Windows XP box. I tried to use it for a bit to test it, and the crashes were so frequent it was entirely unusable. I finally downloaded it to my standby machine (I *never* install beta versions of anything on my main box), with Win 7 Home Premium. Seems to run OK but I haven't had time to do anything meaningful with it yet. P. -- Unsubscribe instructions: Email to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines: http://netmeister.org/news/learn2quote.html Archive: http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Old Bugs
Quoting Steven Shelton: This is also a pretty much standard extension for all of my installs, but, to be honest, I don't know if average users would like it or hate it. For one, it seems to take forever to come up with you call for it with a hot key. I've noticed a slight delay (< 1 second) the first time it's called; after that it pops up instantly. This with Win 7 Ultimate on my 4-core Dell workhorse. For another, the search dialog may be intimidating for entry-level users. And it's not very pretty. The latter I don't care about terribly much in my daily use, but I think that if you want the application to be seen as a professional level app, "pretty" is an important part of that. As I mentioned in my reply to Marc's posting, the advanced features could be hidden, to be opened with an "Advanced" button. "Pretty" certainly is an important aspect that's lacking in it right now. P. -- Unsubscribe instructions: Email to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines: http://netmeister.org/news/learn2quote.html Archive: http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Old Bugs
On Thu, 04 Nov 2010 08:14:50 -0400, Steven Shelton wrote: > However, LibO crashes constantly on my Windows XP box. I tried to use > it for a bit to test it, and the crashes were so frequent it was > entirely unusable. Frames with captions by any chance? In that case you will like beta3. Sebastian -- Unsubscribe instructions: Email to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines: http://netmeister.org/news/learn2quote.html Archive: http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Old Bugs
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 11/2/2010 2:28 PM, Marc Paré wrote: >> I'm reluctant to download the beta since the Web site says it >> will overwrite my existing Oo and I don't have an available >> spare machine at the moment. I'll see if I can free up one and >> try it. > > I am not sure if this is still the case. Maybe someone else can > comment on this? I thought it was fixed in Beta2. This is fixed in Beta 2. However, LibO crashes constantly on my Windows XP box. I tried to use it for a bit to test it, and the crashes were so frequent it was entirely unusable. - -- Steven Shelton Deputy Undersecretary for Made-up Titles -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAkzSo7oACgkQO+AD2HqgRoCKNQCfZBT7URbKzXTJA5o+aomrg6iV HLwAoMzsetSNzhAw6DkvrGhYw8le1TLV =L//5 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Unsubscribe instructions: Email to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines: http://netmeister.org/news/learn2quote.html Archive: http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Old Bugs
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 11/4/2010 3:26 AM, Marc Paré wrote: > So, for everyone, do you think that we could submit this as a > feature request and if it were adopted, would it have a negative > impact on the new or casual user's use of the search function? This is also a pretty much standard extension for all of my installs, but, to be honest, I don't know if average users would like it or hate it. For one, it seems to take forever to come up with you call for it with a hot key. For another, the search dialog may be intimidating for entry-level users. And it's not very pretty. The latter I don't care about terribly much in my daily use, but I think that if you want the application to be seen as a professional level app, "pretty" is an important part of that. - -- Steven Shelton Deputy Undersecretary for Made-up Titles -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAkzSoxMACgkQO+AD2HqgRoAfsgCgyt4uKr0vHqyjMLki1Eo/x5jd CaIAoI3F5oOClidbmApT697nRjp7Oj8R =Mg/4 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Unsubscribe instructions: Email to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines: http://netmeister.org/news/learn2quote.html Archive: http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Old Bugs
Quoting Marc Paré: So, for everyone, do you think that we could submit this as a feature request and if it were adopted, would it have a negative impact on the new or casual user's use of the search function? I think it certainly should be a permanent feature. I don't think new or casual users would find it offputting even though many of the features might be overkill for them. One possibility would be to hide all but the simplest features and provide an "Advanced" (or similar) button that would reveal them (and make it sticky so that once you've chosen "Advanced" it always appears whenever you hit Ctrl-F). P. -- Unsubscribe instructions: Email to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines: http://netmeister.org/news/learn2quote.html Archive: http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Old Bugs
On 2010-11-03 5:33 PM, Marc Paré wrote: > Le 2010-11-03 17:11, Peter Rodwell a écrit : >> Quoting Graham Lauder: >>> There is an extension which is pretty much a compulsory install on any >>> OOo instance l use and it does what you ask here. >>> >>> http://extensions.services.openoffice.org/en/search/node/altsearch >> Thanks! It does indeed do what I want (and a lot more). Now if I can >> just figure out how to open that when I hit Ctrl-F instead of opening >> the standard Find & Replace... > Are you really satisfied with this extension? If yes, maybe we could > submit is as feature request as a permanent part of the code. +10 - Find/Replace was a frustrating exercise for me until I found this extension many months ago. It absolutely should *replace* the current implementation. -- Best regards, Charles -- Unsubscribe instructions: Email to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines: http://netmeister.org/news/learn2quote.html Archive: http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived ***
[tdf-discuss] Re: Old Bugs
Le 2010-11-03 21:20, TomW a écrit : On 2010-11-03 17:11, Peter Rodwell wrote: Quoting Graham Lauder: There is an extension which is pretty much a compulsory install on any OOo instance l use and it does what you ask here. http://extensions.services.openoffice.org/en/search/node/altsearch Thanks! It does indeed do what I want (and a lot more). Now if I can just figure out how to open that when I hit Ctrl-F instead of opening the standard Find & Replace... P. Good Morning, Good Day, or Good Evening: To use Ctrl F as the shortcut for 'Alternate dialog Find & Replace for Writer', do the following: Open 'Alternate dialog Find & Replace for Writer' Click on 'Batch >>', the Batch Manager Click on 'Key Shortcuts' In the top dropdown box, select 'Altsearch - dialog'. At the bottom of the dialog, assign the new shortcut: Ctrl F. Hope this helps. It does work for me Tom Thanks Tom. So, for everyone, do you think that we could submit this as a feature request and if it were adopted, would it have a negative impact on the new or casual user's use of the search function? Marc -- Unsubscribe instructions: Email to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines: http://netmeister.org/news/learn2quote.html Archive: http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Old Bugs
On Thursday 04 Nov 2010 10:33:43 Marc Paré wrote: > Le 2010-11-03 17:11, Peter Rodwell a écrit : > > Quoting Graham Lauder: > >> There is an extension which is pretty much a compulsory install on any > >> OOo > >> instance l use and it does what you ask here. > >> > >> http://extensions.services.openoffice.org/en/search/node/altsearch > > > > Thanks! It does indeed do what I want (and a lot more). Now if I can > > just figure out how to open that when I hit Ctrl-F instead of opening > > the standard Find & Replace... > > > > P. > > Are you really satisfied with this extension? If yes, maybe we could > submit is as feature request as a permanent part of the code I'm never without it, it's brilliant. Standard install with all my clients that are heavy writer users. > > Graham, how well known is this extension? I wonder if it is well know in > the power user camp. Maybe Michel could chime in on this one too. 100,000+ downloads this year, so it's reasonably well known amongst Writer power users l suspect, certainly my clients like it a lot and the template changer as well... > > Marc Cheers GL -- Graham Lauder, OpenOffice.org MarCon (Marketing Contact) NZ OpenOffice.org Migration and training Consultant. INGOTs Assessor Trainer (International Grades in Open Technologies) -- Unsubscribe instructions: Email to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines: http://netmeister.org/news/learn2quote.html Archive: http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Old Bugs
Le 2010-11-03 17:33, Marc Paré a écrit : Le 2010-11-03 17:11, Peter Rodwell a écrit : Quoting Graham Lauder: There is an extension which is pretty much a compulsory install on any OOo instance l use and it does what you ask here. http://extensions.services.openoffice.org/en/search/node/altsearch Thanks! It does indeed do what I want (and a lot more). Now if I can just figure out how to open that when I hit Ctrl-F instead of opening the standard Find & Replace... P. Are you really satisfied with this extension? If yes, maybe we could submit is as feature request as a permanent part of the code. Graham, how well known is this extension? I wonder if it is well know in the power user camp. Maybe Michel could chime in on this one too. Marc I have it and use it fairly often. Control-F would indeed be wonderful. -- Michel Gagnon Montréal (Québec, Canada) -- http://mgagnon.net -- Unsubscribe instructions: Email to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines: http://netmeister.org/news/learn2quote.html Archive: http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived ***
[tdf-discuss] Re: Old Bugs
Le 2010-11-03 17:11, Peter Rodwell a écrit : Quoting Graham Lauder: There is an extension which is pretty much a compulsory install on any OOo instance l use and it does what you ask here. http://extensions.services.openoffice.org/en/search/node/altsearch Thanks! It does indeed do what I want (and a lot more). Now if I can just figure out how to open that when I hit Ctrl-F instead of opening the standard Find & Replace... P. Are you really satisfied with this extension? If yes, maybe we could submit is as feature request as a permanent part of the code. Graham, how well known is this extension? I wonder if it is well know in the power user camp. Maybe Michel could chime in on this one too. Marc -- Unsubscribe instructions: Email to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines: http://netmeister.org/news/learn2quote.html Archive: http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Old Bugs
On Tue, 02 Nov 2010, Peter Rodwell wrote: > I answered a posting from Ernst W. Winter: > > > Yes sounds good. How did the city of Munich change 14,000 PC to > > OOo? > > with a somewhat cursory "I don't know" but the question piqued my > interest. A few minutes' Googling came up with the answer: It > didn't. > > Reports (e.g., at > http://blog.worldlabel.com/2009/limux-where-the-munich-linux-revolution-is-today.html) > show that only 80% of the city's 14,000 PCs will have been changed > to open source by 2012 - that's EIGHT YEARS after the project was > given the green light. > Yes I know of it from the original German at Heise Online. It mentions also that many others have changed and are in the process of changing including the Federal Government. > To be fair, Oo was only a small part of the changeover, which correct, the reason was also: Schießl explains that free software certainly "Does not mean free as in free beer." Instead, open source offers programmers the advantage of improving the software and expanding additional applications without having to get permission from a specific company. This advantage also carries weight with other municipal governments. That is why the cities of Mannheim, Schwäbisch Hall and Treuchtlingen in Bavaria are moving at least partially to free software. > involved an upfront cost of ?13 million for LiMux, a special > version of Linux. The council says that's ?2 million MORE than it > would have cost to upgrade from Windows NT4 to XP, but their point > wasn't short-term financial saving -- they were more concerned > about being tied to a single supplier. > I do know many that have changed the "OS" including Security companies and if you look closer here in Eurpe Governments even pay for Open Source developement. I have been involved in the 90'ies with many changes of OS away from M$ and there are companies that state openly that they have already gone away from M$ and still have a small portion of that software. They are only waiting that they can replace that too. What are Corporations going to do if even Governments moving away from M$? Or even IBM are supporting Linux. > While a city council can apparently afford to spend this time and > taxpayer's money changing to open source, no corporate CFO would > even consider it. > Yes this sounds maybe silly, but then they don't have a noose around their neck with being tied to a company and can develope what they need for their own ends. OOo might have been a help and a step in making that move. Maybe I haven't explained myself as I got too exited to hear that the OOo is having a new start after Oracle took over Sun, you can see what happen when such companies take over. I believe in OpenSource and can see what happen, even if Corporations don't or can't see that. For me and others OpenSource has done more and achieved more then any Corporation. I still see it as THE future. Using Freebsd with some 20,00 apps and I can run Linux Binaries as well have a Virtualbox to run WIN as well having zfs filesytem, what could a Corporation want more to be independent? Sorr again, I just got carried away I will restrain myself. But I cross my fingers, wish good luck and all success to the developers of the new Offic Suite. I have pointed many friends in that direction adn business to what I know of. Keep up the good work you guys ... -- "FreeBSD pioneers - every day a new installation" Linux: Where do you want to go tomorrow? BSD: Are you guys coming, or what? FreeBSD provides a "Gates-free PC" -- Unsubscribe instructions: Email to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines: http://netmeister.org/news/learn2quote.html Archive: http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Old Bugs
On Tue, 2010-11-02 at 22:09 +0100, Peter Rodwell wrote: > I answered a posting from Ernst W. Winter: > > > Yes sounds good. How did the city of Munich change 14,000 PC to OOo? > > with a somewhat cursory "I don't know" but the question piqued my interest. > A few minutes' Googling came up with the answer: It didn't. > > Reports (e.g., at > http://blog.worldlabel.com/2009/limux-where-the-munich-linux-revolution-is-today.html) > show that only 80% of the city's 14,000 PCs will have been changed to open > source by > 2012 - that's EIGHT YEARS after the project was given the green light. > > To be fair, Oo was only a small part of the changeover, which involved an > upfront > cost of €13 million for LiMux, a special version of Linux. The council says > that's > €2 million MORE than it would have cost to upgrade from Windows NT4 to XP, > but their point wasn't short-term financial saving -- they were more > concerned about > being tied to a single supplier. > > While a city council can apparently afford to spend this time and taxpayer's > money > changing to open source, no corporate CFO would even consider it. Some have done. Ernie Ball Guitar strings is one famous case. We are small but we did it :-) So I'd say few rather than no CFOs. But we know all that anyway. Personally, I'm quite happy for Windows to act as a giant magnet pulling all the malware away from my company :-). I just checked an e-mail attachment supposedly sent from DHL. .exe file so some Windows malware or other. Do we really want that stuff targeting Linux any sooner than necessary? :-) -- Ian Ofqual Accredited IT Qualifications A new approach to assessment for learning www.theINGOTs.org - 01827 305940 You have received this email from the following company: The Learning Machine Limited, Reg Office, 36 Ashby Road, Tamworth, Staffordshire, B79 8AQ. Reg No: 05560797, Registered in England and Wales. -- Unsubscribe instructions: Email to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines: http://netmeister.org/news/learn2quote.html Archive: http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Old Bugs
I answered a posting from Ernst W. Winter: Yes sounds good. How did the city of Munich change 14,000 PC to OOo? with a somewhat cursory "I don't know" but the question piqued my interest. A few minutes' Googling came up with the answer: It didn't. Reports (e.g., at http://blog.worldlabel.com/2009/limux-where-the-munich-linux-revolution-is-today.html) show that only 80% of the city's 14,000 PCs will have been changed to open source by 2012 - that's EIGHT YEARS after the project was given the green light. To be fair, Oo was only a small part of the changeover, which involved an upfront cost of €13 million for LiMux, a special version of Linux. The council says that's €2 million MORE than it would have cost to upgrade from Windows NT4 to XP, but their point wasn't short-term financial saving -- they were more concerned about being tied to a single supplier. While a city council can apparently afford to spend this time and taxpayer's money changing to open source, no corporate CFO would even consider it. P. -- Unsubscribe instructions: Email to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines: http://netmeister.org/news/learn2quote.html Archive: http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Old Bugs
Quoting Marc Paré: I understand that perfectly well. I am a teacher and school boards are comparable to major corporations, I sit on an IT committee (software acquisition) and we talk often about migration. But, the question of IT support for OS and software is a large issue. They are more and more interested in the financial savings though. I think that this will eventually lead them to migration, the $$$ is just too attractive. The difference is of course that public authorities don't have to make a profit while corporations do. Corporations also tend to think short term, so an immediate retraining cost is more important than possible long term savings. On the other hand, financial savings are likely to be a major impetus for public authorities as their belts are increasingly tightened. P. -- Unsubscribe instructions: Email to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines: http://netmeister.org/news/learn2quote.html Archive: http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Old Bugs
The discussion of why companies should or can't migrate away from MS Office or proprietary document formats is a bit off-topic. I'm also assuming most of us have had this discussion at length before as well. I'm assuming if you're on this list that you are in favor of open software and open standards and have been frustrated at why others aren't as apt to adopt them. More on topic however, I think if we can focus efforts on improving LibO to be the best product, then more people would be willing to switch to it. Here is a query that will show 198 open issues/bugs/feature requests that have at least 25 votes: http://qa.openoffice.org/issues/buglist.cgi?Submit+query=Submit+query&issue_type=DEFECT&issue_type=ENHANCEMENT&issue_type=FEATURE&issue_type=PATCH&issue_status=UNCONFIRMED&issue_status=NEW&issue_status=STARTED&issue_status=REOPENED&issue_status=VERIFIED&email1=&emailtype1=exact&emailassigned_to1=1&email2=&emailtype2=exact&emailreporter2=1&issueidtype=include&issue_id=&changedin=&votes=25&chfieldfrom=&chfieldto=&chfieldvalue=&short_desc=&short_desc_type=allwords&long_desc=&long_desc_type=allwords&issue_file_loc=&issue_file_loc_type=fulltext&status_whiteboard=&status_whiteboard_type=fulltext&keywords=&keywords_type=anytokens&field0-0-0=noop&type0-0-0=noop&value0-0-0=&cmdtype=doit&order=Reuse+same+sort+as+last+time I believe some of these are addressed in the go-oo patches, and thusly LibO today. Looking at that list, which popular existing issues/bugs/feature requests that people have voted for repeatedly do you think that LibO should focus on? Does LibO have its own wiki or bug tracker? I'm not a developer, but I could compose a list in a wiki, or open matching bugs in a LibO bug tracker. I imagine that tackling some popular but unresolved issues, and some of the easy hacks (low hanging fruit) mentioned earlier in this thread might serve two purposes. It could attract new developers and also create some clear visible advantages to the LibO codebase over the OOo codebase. -- T. J. On Tue, Nov 2, 2010 at 2:55 PM, Peter Rodwell wrote: > Quoting Ernst W. Winter: > > Yes sounds good. How did the city of Munich change 14,000 PC to OOo? >> > > Since I'm in Spain and not in Munich, I have no idea. > > I do think where there is a willing there will be a way. If Govermnet >> Authorities can change, why can't a corporation change. >> > > Public authorities don't have to make a profit. Corporations do. The > changes we are discussing here cost money. > > Is it what >> people decide or the company? >> > > The company, of course. > > besides I don't believe that all employees are stupid or lazy when it >> comes to learningt something new. >> > > Nobody is saying they are. But re-training still takes time. > > P. > > > > -- > Unsubscribe instructions: Email to > discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org > Posting guidelines: http://netmeister.org/news/learn2quote.html > Archive: http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ > *** All posts to this list are publicly archived *** > > -- Unsubscribe instructions: Email to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines: http://netmeister.org/news/learn2quote.html Archive: http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Old Bugs
Quoting Ernst W. Winter: Yes sounds good. How did the city of Munich change 14,000 PC to OOo? Since I'm in Spain and not in Munich, I have no idea. I do think where there is a willing there will be a way. If Govermnet Authorities can change, why can't a corporation change. Public authorities don't have to make a profit. Corporations do. The changes we are discussing here cost money. Is it what people decide or the company? The company, of course. besides I don't believe that all employees are stupid or lazy when it comes to learningt something new. Nobody is saying they are. But re-training still takes time. P. -- Unsubscribe instructions: Email to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines: http://netmeister.org/news/learn2quote.html Archive: http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived ***
[tdf-discuss] Re: Old Bugs
Le 2010-11-02 14:53, Peter Rodwell a écrit : Quoting Marc Paré: And yes, MSO format conversions are not 100% and where there are power users like Peter, it may be difficult to rationalize using LibO when his customers are unwilling to adopt an ODF format which would simply work. There is always the option for Peter to propose a change in office suite to his clients and suggest that a free migration to LibO would save them quite a bit in expenditures and would still provide them with the same functionality as MSO but using the ODF formats instead. My clients are mostly major corporations who don't tend to welcome IT strategy suggestions from their suppliers! Sure, they're aware of OO and open source in general but they're not planning to change anytime soon. This is not because they've been brainwashed by MS; it's mostly because they can't afford (financially and timewise) the risk of having to re-train thousands of users with the productivity drop that this would involve. P. I understand that perfectly well. I am a teacher and school boards are comparable to major corporations, I sit on an IT committee (software acquisition) and we talk often about migration. But, the question of IT support for OS and software is a large issue. They are more and more interested in the financial savings though. I think that this will eventually lead them to migration, the $$$ is just too attractive. Marc -- Unsubscribe instructions: Email to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines: http://netmeister.org/news/learn2quote.html Archive: http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived ***
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Quoting Frank Esposito: mostly because they can't afford (financially and timewise) the risk of having to re-train thousands of users with the productivity drop that this would involve I have to say, if that was the case, then no one would have upped to 2007/2010. The last company I worked for who upgraded spent millions on training and roll-out costs. From talking to them, it's precisely because they were bitten when they moved from Office 2003 to 2007 that they're reluctant to make any further moves, for the time being at least. I just don't think corporations, especially the bigger ones trust "free" software yet. This is also true, although I've found a surprising number of IT professionals who are aware of, trust and are enthusiastic about open source software at a personal level. It's higher up where the problems lie, especially after the 2003 to 2007 conversion costs. P. -- Unsubscribe instructions: Email to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines: http://netmeister.org/news/learn2quote.html Archive: http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Old Bugs
On Tue, 02 Nov 2010, Peter Rodwell wrote: > Quoting Marc Paré: > > > And yes, MSO format conversions are not 100% and where there are > > power users like Peter, it may be difficult to rationalize using > > LibO when his customers are unwilling to adopt an ODF format > > which would simply work. There is always the option for Peter to > > propose a change in office suite to his clients and suggest that > > a free migration to LibO would save them quite a bit in > > expenditures and would still provide them with the same > > functionality as MSO but using the ODF formats instead. > > My clients are mostly major corporations who don't tend to welcome > IT strategy suggestions from their suppliers! Sure, they're aware > of OO and open source in general but they're not planning to change > anytime soon. This is not because they've been brainwashed by MS; > it's mostly because they can't afford (financially and timewise) > the risk of having to re-train thousands of users with the > productivity drop that this would involve. > Yes sounds good. How did the city of Munich change 14,000 PC to OOo? I do think where there is a willing there will be a way. If Govermnet Authorities can change, why can't a corporation change. Is it what people decide or the company? After all the employees would have to retrain or learn or loose their job, not body is irreplacable. I have heard often enough talk about big Corporations and all that and yet see the world change to the point where no force was used, besides I don't believe that all employees are stupid or lazy when it comes to learningt something new. I am retired and so don't have to listen too all such talk. One thing I have seen that many here in Europe changed to OOo, not only that it was free but it also was more stable and usable then M$ Office. What about the Open Source and all that is going on. I doubt that it can be closed down, and remember years agao when it started and all the big guns smiled and thought it was just some silly nerd event. I use LaTeX and vi or vim. My usage of a Office Suite is limited, but again on the other hand I deal with many that have taken to OOo and use it and I find it was something wothwile for people wiht little budgets as well havin cleaner sofrtware to boot with. M$ is not the allmighty anynore by a long shot. Also does anyone listen ot "enduser"? I thin that is where there is a big black hole too. Sorry, but this is my 2c worth as a enduser. Ernst -- () ascii ribbon campaign - against html e-mail /\ www.asciiribbon.org - against proprietary attachments < ascii ribbon campaign - stop html mail - www.asciiribbon.org -- Unsubscribe instructions: Email to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines: http://netmeister.org/news/learn2quote.html Archive: http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Old Bugs
> mostly because they can't afford (financially and timewise) the risk of > having to re-train thousands of users with the productivity drop that this > would involve > I have to say, if that was the case, then no one would have upped to 2007/2010. The last company I worked for who upgraded spent millions on training and roll-out costs. I just don't think corporations, especially the bigger ones trust "free" software yet. -fe -- Unsubscribe instructions: Email to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines: http://netmeister.org/news/learn2quote.html Archive: http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Old Bugs
Quoting Marc Paré: And yes, MSO format conversions are not 100% and where there are power users like Peter, it may be difficult to rationalize using LibO when his customers are unwilling to adopt an ODF format which would simply work. There is always the option for Peter to propose a change in office suite to his clients and suggest that a free migration to LibO would save them quite a bit in expenditures and would still provide them with the same functionality as MSO but using the ODF formats instead. My clients are mostly major corporations who don't tend to welcome IT strategy suggestions from their suppliers! Sure, they're aware of OO and open source in general but they're not planning to change anytime soon. This is not because they've been brainwashed by MS; it's mostly because they can't afford (financially and timewise) the risk of having to re-train thousands of users with the productivity drop that this would involve. P. -- Unsubscribe instructions: Email to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines: http://netmeister.org/news/learn2quote.html Archive: http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived ***
[tdf-discuss] Re: Old Bugs
Le 2010-11-02 14:17, Peter Rodwell a écrit : Hi Marc: We would need an example of an incompatible file for us to see and examine. Could you provide us with an example? I can't supply any of the files since they are the property of my clients and I'm bound by some very strict non-disclosure agreements (they have the right to tear my balls off and sell my wife into slavery, or wording to that effect). If I can find time I'll try and duplicate it, but I'm really busy right now. It was nothing major, something involving graphics within tables, if I remember rightly. Thanks for the reply and offer to send in a file when you have time. It would be nice just to have a look at it, even if the import is unfixable at this time. Maybe someone could chime in on this one? If not, could you, Pete, please check to see if the latest LibO Beta2 still has this problem. If so, maybe we could have a dev look into it for a fix or at least move it up a bit on their list of bugs for repairs. I'm reluctant to download the beta since the Web site says it will overwrite my existing Oo and I don't have an available spare machine at the moment. I'll see if I can free up one and try it. Peter. I am not sure if this is still the case. Maybe someone else can comment on this? I thought it was fixed in Beta2. Marc -- Unsubscribe instructions: Email to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines: http://netmeister.org/news/learn2quote.html Archive: http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Old Bugs
On Tue, 02 Nov 2010, Marc Par wrote: [snip shortened stuff] > Good points Frank and we also have to consider that Italo, our > marketing guru, now says that in some European countries, OOo/LigO > commands 20% market share and that ODF adoption is on the rise and > is quite established. > Well I think it is hogher than that or een twice as much with 00o as I can assure you here in Germany many local AUthorities are using it already, even that they don't often put it in the open. One example was when the city of Munich changed from M$ to Linux in terms of OS, then Balmer rushed to save it and offfered some millions less in licensing fees, of course with the treat that there are still some patents that M$ has on it all that garbage. But in the end they still changed to Linusx and that was some thousend machines. Yes, you should look more into Europe with it as even the EU is using as standard OOo and supportin it. I'm only a "enduser" and use FreeBSD, hendce I'm interested when it will appear in the ports collection there. I don't use OOo much, mainly for cconversio of M$ *doc if I get them. > The lack of ODF adoption in N.Amer. needs to be addressed by all > groups employing ODF standards. We all need to promote its use > where ever it goes, even down to the single player such as Peter. > Undestandable, but I guess that Europe would be a better chance. > And yes, MSO format conversions are not 100% and where there are > power users like Peter, it may be difficult to rationalize using > LibO when his customers are unwilling to adopt an ODF format which > would simply work. Well I have often recieved these days more ODF formats then anything else as even many friends use it and also at their workplace. Ernst -- () ascii ribbon campaign - against html e-mail /\ www.asciiribbon.org - against proprietary attachments < ascii ribbon campaign - stop html mail - www.asciiribbon.org -- Unsubscribe instructions: Email to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines: http://netmeister.org/news/learn2quote.html Archive: http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived ***
[tdf-discuss] Re: Old Bugs
Le 2010-11-02 13:57, Robert Derman a écrit : Peter Rodwell wrote: I have only today joined this discussion so I don't know whether this has already been discussed or not. There are two reasons why I have just paid money to upgrade to Office 2010 instead of switching to OO/LO: 1. Complete file compatibility. I frequently handle documents with very complex formatting. These come from my clients, all of whom use MS Office. I translate and edit the documents and return them. They *must* retain 100% of the original formatting. So far this has not been the case with Oo. 2. Search and replace. I work with large documents, often 400+ pages. As I'm translating, I usually come across a word or phrase that I know will be repeated throughout the document so I search and replace it to avoid having to type it continuously. I do this *dozens* of times a day. MS Word leaves me where I was when I did the S/R so that I can continue working. Oo leaves me at the point of the last replace so I have to manually go back to where I was. I know of many people for whom this is a dealbreaker -- they won't move to Oo/LO until this is fixed. Just my €0.02 worth. Peter. This needs to be fixed/changed also with the spell checker. it always leaves the cursor at the beginning of the last sentence where any word was corrected, instead the cursor should be left where it was before the spell check was run. Thanks for the note Robert. Are the devs aware that these two problems match? It seems like such a trivial problem, but I can see, even in my profession, as a teacher, that it would be quite annoying to lose your place in a larger document. Not to mention an academic losing his place in a thesis or research project etc. Marc -- Unsubscribe instructions: Email to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines: http://netmeister.org/news/learn2quote.html Archive: http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived ***
[tdf-discuss] Re: Old Bugs
Le 2010-11-02 12:42, Cor Nouws a écrit : 2. Search and replace. I work with large documents, often 400+ pages. As I'm translating, I usually come across a word or phrase that I know will be repeated throughout the document so I search and replace it to avoid having to type it continuously. I do this *dozens* of times a day. MS Word leaves me where I was when I did the S/R so that I can continue working. Oo leaves me at the point of the last replace so I have to manually go back to where I was. I know of many people for whom this is a dealbreaker -- they won't move to Oo/LO until this is fixed. OK, that is easy to handle with a trick as user, but possibly also an relative easy fix (1)? Kind regards, Cor 1) http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Easy_Hacks Hi Cor. If there is a known trick fix to this, I wonder why is there not a permanent fix for it in the actual code? Marc -- Unsubscribe instructions: Email to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines: http://netmeister.org/news/learn2quote.html Archive: http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Old Bugs
Hi Marc: We would need an example of an incompatible file for us to see and examine. Could you provide us with an example? I can't supply any of the files since they are the property of my clients and I'm bound by some very strict non-disclosure agreements (they have the right to tear my balls off and sell my wife into slavery, or wording to that effect). If I can find time I'll try and duplicate it, but I'm really busy right now. It was nothing major, something involving graphics within tables, if I remember rightly. Maybe someone could chime in on this one? If not, could you, Pete, please check to see if the latest LibO Beta2 still has this problem. If so, maybe we could have a dev look into it for a fix or at least move it up a bit on their list of bugs for repairs. I'm reluctant to download the beta since the Web site says it will overwrite my existing Oo and I don't have an available spare machine at the moment. I'll see if I can free up one and try it. Peter. -- Unsubscribe instructions: Email to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines: http://netmeister.org/news/learn2quote.html Archive: http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived ***
[tdf-discuss] Re: Old Bugs
Le 2010-11-02 12:05, Frank Esposito a écrit : The point of the MSO-to-ODF and ODF-to-MSO converters not working 100% and being a deal-breaker has been raised several times already. But I am not sure as to what is being done as far as development. I think the devs are just trying to clean up the existing code, work in long awaited patches and stabilize for the 3.3 release right now. But for the future, if LO is going to battle for market share with MSO, (which the world currently uses now), the converters will have to be fixed. There are two sides, Side one is that Microsoft does not follow standards and ODF does so we should just make LO work to standards. Side two is we should play Microsoft's game until we take their game away from them. I see two priorities for long-term growth: File compatibility should be a priority, in the very least opening and saving MSO files with full compatibility ODF adoption should also be a priority, the more LO can get the world to use ODF instead of Microsft, the more people will use Libre/Open Office and the more likely the chance Microsoft will have to fix their non-standards compliant, broken file format. just my thoughts Good points Frank and we also have to consider that Italo, our marketing guru, now says that in some European countries, OOo/LigO commands 20% market share and that ODF adoption is on the rise and is quite established. The lack of ODF adoption in N.Amer. needs to be addressed by all groups employing ODF standards. We all need to promote its use where ever it goes, even down to the single player such as Peter. And yes, MSO format conversions are not 100% and where there are power users like Peter, it may be difficult to rationalize using LibO when his customers are unwilling to adopt an ODF format which would simply work. There is always the option for Peter to propose a change in office suite to his clients and suggest that a free migration to LibO would save them quite a bit in expenditures and would still provide them with the same functionality as MSO but using the ODF formats instead. In my opinion, I imagine the devs are trying as best they can to gain 100% file compatibility but it is all of MSO's interests to not let it gain such compatibility. Cat and mouse game. Marc -- Unsubscribe instructions: Email to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines: http://netmeister.org/news/learn2quote.html Archive: http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Old Bugs
Hi Marc: As in all public mailists, just ignore the negative comments. Robert does not speak for people who are interested in fixing problems or concerns of users. Thanks! I've been around mail lists long enough to recognise the type. Just ignore him. Which is exactly what I plan to do. Peter. -- Unsubscribe instructions: Email to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines: http://netmeister.org/news/learn2quote.html Archive: http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived ***
[tdf-discuss] Re: Old Bugs
Le 2010-11-02 11:48, Peter Rodwell a écrit : I have only today joined this discussion so I don't know whether this has already been discussed or not. There are two reasons why I have just paid money to upgrade to Office 2010 instead of switching to OO/LO: 1. Complete file compatibility. I frequently handle documents with very complex formatting. These come from my clients, all of whom use MS Office. I translate and edit the documents and return them. They *must* retain 100% of the original formatting. So far this has not been the case with Oo. 2. Search and replace. I work with large documents, often 400+ pages. As I'm translating, I usually come across a word or phrase that I know will be repeated throughout the document so I search and replace it to avoid having to type it continuously. I do this *dozens* of times a day. MS Word leaves me where I was when I did the S/R so that I can continue working. Oo leaves me at the point of the last replace so I have to manually go back to where I was. I know of many people for whom this is a dealbreaker -- they won't move to Oo/LO until this is fixed. Just my €0.02 worth. Peter. Hi Peter: Nice of you to even come back to the mailist to help out. As this is a community we all share in helping out with making the distro better. We would need an example of an incompatible file for us to see and examine. Could you provide us with an example? Thanks for the note on search and replace. I imagine that documentation team members would have run into this problem. Maybe someone could chime in on this one? If not, could you, Pete, please check to see if the latest LibO Beta2 still has this problem. If so, maybe we could have a dev look into it for a fix or at least move it up a bit on their list of bugs for repairs. Thanks for your input. We welcome any criticism or bug contributions. Marc -- Unsubscribe instructions: Email to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines: http://netmeister.org/news/learn2quote.html Archive: http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived ***
[tdf-discuss] Re: Old Bugs
Le 2010-11-02 11:53, Robert Parker a écrit : On Tue, Nov 2, 2010 at 10:48 PM, Peter Rodwell wrote: I have only today joined this discussion so I don't know whether this has already been discussed or not. There are two reasons why I have just paid money to upgrade to Office 2010 instead of switching to OO/LO: Did Microsoft pay you to promote their agenda here? Not appreciated. Please be helpful in your response. If not, then please do not post these comments. They are unnecessary. Marc -- Unsubscribe instructions: Email to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines: http://netmeister.org/news/learn2quote.html Archive: http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived ***
[tdf-discuss] Re: Old Bugs
Le 2010-11-02 11:48, Peter Rodwell a écrit : I have only today joined this discussion so I don't know whether this has already been discussed or not. There are two reasons why I have just paid money to upgrade to Office 2010 instead of switching to OO/LO: 1. Complete file compatibility. I frequently handle documents with very complex formatting. These come from my clients, all of whom use MS Office. I translate and edit the documents and return them. They *must* retain 100% of the original formatting. So far this has not been the case with Oo. 2. Search and replace. I work with large documents, often 400+ pages. As I'm translating, I usually come across a word or phrase that I know will be repeated throughout the document so I search and replace it to avoid having to type it continuously. I do this *dozens* of times a day. MS Word leaves me where I was when I did the S/R so that I can continue working. Oo leaves me at the point of the last replace so I have to manually go back to where I was. I know of many people for whom this is a dealbreaker -- they won't move to Oo/LO until this is fixed. Just my €0.02 worth. Peter. Hi Peter: As in all public mailists, just ignore the negative comments. Robert does not speak for people who are interested in fixing problems or concerns of users. Just ignore him. Marc -- Unsubscribe instructions: Email to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines: http://netmeister.org/news/learn2quote.html Archive: http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived ***
