Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] GDAL and Java on Windows (and FileGDB too)

2019-02-20 Thread Andrea Aime
On Wed, Feb 20, 2019 at 6:43 PM Even Rouault 
wrote:

> Not sure if that would solve your issues though.
>

Yes sir, it does! Thank you!

Now, if only there was a handy installer for this stuff too! :-p

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] OSGeo LinkedIn Page and PlanetOSGeo Twitter account was created

2018-11-15 Thread Andrea Aime
On Wed, Nov 14, 2018 at 8:03 PM Jody Garnett  wrote:

> Reaching beyond LinkedIn (which is somewhat regional)
>

This notion that linkedin was somewhat regional surprised me, but then
found this article
about it... and it's indeed regional, I'm just living in one of the
countries and sectors
where it's normal enough to use it :-D

https://media.thinknum.com/articles/tracking-linkedins-growth-from-american-icon-to-global-player/

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] [Board] How to retire membership status?

2018-06-22 Thread Andrea Aime
On Fri, Jun 22, 2018 at 11:51 AM, María Arias de Reyna 
wrote:

> I think this email, cited by Sara Safavi, from Marc Vloemans [1] is just
>> unbelievable and thus unacceptable to this community.
>>
> Personally I agree with you that it was an uncomfortable situation easy to
> misinterpret. I wasn't comfortable either reading it. (me, the person, not
> the board)
>

Agreed, I was neither.


> The thing is, we still have this "assume good intent" clause on the CoC
> that makes it kind of useless on the gray area.
>

I would suggest revising the CoC then, otherwise all the talk about
supporting diversity is kind of done in vain imho

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] FOSS4G 2018 sponsorship

2018-02-25 Thread Andrea Aime
On Sun, Feb 25, 2018 at 3:54 PM, Dan Little 
wrote:

> You are the only one, and serving a very limited perspective.
>

I also feel a bit uncomfortable having ESRI sponsor the conference, but I
can see the other side as well.
You should probably run statistics before stating something as harshly as
you did, that's not the OSGeo way.

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Costly FOSS4Gs

2017-10-18 Thread Andrea Aime
On Wed, Oct 18, 2017 at 8:39 AM, Bruce Bannerman <
bruce.bannerman.os...@gmail.com> wrote:

> When you look at the costs associated with a person attending a typical
> international FOSS4G event, the actual conference fees a small amount of
> the actual cost.
>
> Consider airfares, transportation, accomodation, meals, lost wages etc.
> There is nothing that an LOC can do about these individual costs.
>

Ah hem, nothing that the LOC can do once the conference site is chosen, but
something that OSGeo can do when assigning the location and timing.
And I believe that is happening, if I'm not wrong for the first time the
LOC needs to provide expected cost of airfare and accommodation as part
of their proposal, which will make people consider carefully that aspect
too.

Another aspect that was not cited but that I heard in conversations and
believe is important, it's that it is really hard to compress
the cost of a large conference: the LOC needs a place that can host 1000
people, and that can give internet to this many people,
that places forces the catering package on you (I've been told by several
conference chairs there no way to dodge that) and the
two together make up for a large amount of the cost.

So, besides some exceptions (think FOSDEM) it seems the only way to setup a
cheaper conference is to make a smaller
one that can be hosted at a university or in a smaller conference center.
Hence the focus on the local conferences.
I believe the threshold is at around 500 people, larger than that one is
hung on the costly options.

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Proposal for the listing of projects in our new web site

2017-08-22 Thread Andrea Aime
On Tue, Aug 22, 2017 at 10:26 AM, Polimi  wrote:

> 1) in my opinion the size matters and it is not in se something negative
> to be a small startup or company instead of a big one. Anyway, as JeffJ
> said, if somebody is alienated we can skip it. We have just to better
> discuss this 'if'.
>

Just sharing my two cents...

>From a project/community standpoint one wants to put front and center the
people, companies and
organizations that are the lifeblood of the community, those that are
contributing code, documentation,
advocating and helping users. Personally I'd keep it as a primary
classifier, failing to do so might divert
financial resources from the parts of the community that deserve and need
it the most.

>From the standpoint of an organization looking for a provider, size may
also be important, a larger company
typically has a better financial footing (mandatory in certain types of
contracts), and possibly a more diversified experience
among its ranks. Also, it might happen that the customer is looking for a
certain experience with the provider
(e.g, matching or getting closer to its own size, or looking for the more
industrial vs the more "boutique"
approach).
So... what about reporting the size of the company among the other
information, even if it is
not the primary classifier? The size could be reported as classes to lessen
the chore of maintaing such
information (e.g, "1-5", "5-20", "20-50", "50+", just thinking out loud
here)

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Where to hire a FOSS4G freelane developer?

2017-05-11 Thread Andrea Aime
Some projects also keep an up to date list of commercial providers, for
example:
http://geoserver.org/support/
https://www.qgis.org/en/site/forusers/commercial_support.html

Cheers
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On Thu, May 11, 2017 at 3:58 PM, Luigi Pirelli  wrote:

> job list is a good start point but it does not cove many osgeo devs...
> I would suggest to ask directly in the dev list of the project touched
> by your requirements. the CV is usually the commit history or dev list
> activity.
>
> regards
> Luigi Pirelli
>
> 
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> * GitHub: https://github.com/luipir
> * Mastering QGIS 2nd Edition:
> * https://www.packtpub.com/big-data-and-business-
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> 
> **
>
>
> On 11 May 2017 at 14:57, Jeff McKenna 
> wrote:
> > Luís another good resource is the OSGeo "jobs" mailing list, where
> > opportunities are posted:  subscribe at
> > https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/jobs
> >
> > -jeff
> >
> >
> > --
> > Jeff McKenna
> > President Emeritus, OSGeo Foundation
> > http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Jeff_McKenna
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On 2017-05-11 9:35 AM, Luí­s Moreira de Sousa wrote:
> >>
> >> Hi everyone,
> >>
> >> Is there any resource within the OSGeo cosmos to help hiring freelance
> >> developers from our community? For instance, an index of folk certified
> >> by Arnulf?
> >>
> >> A quick web search only comes up with general freelance websites.
> >>
> >> Thank you.
> >>
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> >> Im Grund 6
> >> CH-8600 Dübendorf
> >> Switzerland
> >>
> >> Phone: +41 (0)79 812 62 65
> >> Email: luis.de.so...@protonmail.ch <mailto:luis.de.so...@protonmail.ch>
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] [OSGeo-Edu] Web cartography, SLD

2016-12-13 Thread Andrea Aime
On Tue, Dec 13, 2016 at 2:30 PM, Olivier Ertz 
wrote:

> Right! seems the link to my old sample data is missing. I will try to find
> them back and tell you.
>
> Yep, would be interesting to test with the latest GeoServer.
>
> Especially I remember that I had some difficulties to use the MarkIndex
> capability of SE with deegree3 (see discussion http://osgeo-org.1560.x6.
> nabble.com/SE-Styling-MarkIndex-glyph-index-td5022210.html). No idea how
> GeoServer does implement what the SE spec describes about this MarkIndex
> (at the time of writing the tutorial, I finally decided to remove the
> Markindex example from it).
>

MarkIndex was indeed not implemented until a few months ago. It is right
now implemented only for TTF fonts, in order to support
QGIS font based symbols export (I believe you'll find it in 2.10.x, but I'm
not 100% sure, going by memory here).

The specification does not really say which symbol sets should support
markIndex, or does it? All I can find is:

"The alternative to a WellKnownName is an external mark format. The
MarkIndex
allows an individual mark in a mark archive to be selected. An example
format for an
external mark achive would be a TrueType font file, with MarkIndex being
used to
select an individual glyph from that file."

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] [OSGeo-Edu] Web cartography, SLD

2016-12-09 Thread Andrea Aime
On Fri, Dec 9, 2016 at 7:03 PM, Olivier Ertz 
wrote:

> Like GeoServer, deegree3 is a WMS/SLD OGC reference implementation, but in
> 2013, it was also compliant with Symbology Encoding 1.1 (SE) which is part
> of the replacement of the deprecated SLD 1.0. Moreover SE1.1 does offer few
> new capabilities, especially transformation functions (interpolate, recode,
> categorize).
>

GeoServer also provides incomplete support for SE 1.1, and full support for
the transformation functions, but they are so seldomly used in combination
that I cannot be sure they would be handled properly.

I was hoping to find an example ready to customize in the tutorial you're
linking, but could not see it (I could also not find a full
style to just cut/paste, is it by any chance available along with the
sample data? I'd be curious to try that map out on a recent GeoServer).

The main missing point in GeoServer SE support is raster symbolizer, the
vector symbolization should mostly work.
Hopefully it's going to get better with the interest the user community is
showing for style export between
QGIS and GeoServer (and for once, that will make for a use case meant for
SE/SLD, that is, machine generation of the
styles as opposed to manual editing).

Cheers
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] [Election 2016] Board nomination for Vasile Craciunescu

2016-09-20 Thread Andrea Aime
+1 here too  :-)

Cheers
Andrea

On Tue, Sep 20, 2016 at 11:15 AM, Silvia Franceschi <
silvia.frances...@gmail.com> wrote:

> +1 for Valile also from me!
>
> He is very active in involve people making things easily access.
>
> Regards
>
> Silvia
>
>
> On Tue, Sep 20, 2016 at 10:52 AM, andrea antonello <
> andrea.antone...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I absolutely support Vasile's nomination.
>>
>> Vasile is a member of the community that is able to put a huge
>> positive energy in Osgeo.
>>
>> Glad to hear he stands for nomination,
>> Best regards,
>> Andrea
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Sep 13, 2016 at 10:38 PM, Jorge Sanz  wrote:
>> > Forwarding Vasile Crăciunescu's nomination for the Board of Directors by
>> > Gérald Fenoy.
>> >
>> > All the best
>> >
>> > --
>> > Jorge Sanz
>> > CRO 2016
>> >
>> > -- Mensaje reenviado --
>> > De: "Fenoy Gerald" 
>> > Fecha: 13 sept. 2016 15:55
>> > Asunto: Board nomination for Vasile Craciunescu
>> > Para: "Vasile Craciunescu" 
>> > Cc:
>> >
>> >> Dear Cro,
>> >> please find bellow the nomination for Vasile for this year election of
>> >> OSGeo Board of Director.
>> >>
>> >> I would like to nominate Vasile Craciunescu for this year election.
>> Vasile
>> >> is a researcher at Romanian National Meteorological Administration, he
>> is
>> >> organizing conferences and workshops using the OSGeo technology and is
>> a
>> >> convinced and convincing FOSS4G promoter. He is very active in the
>> Romanian
>> >> community, he is one of the founder of the OSGeo romanian local
>> chapter and
>> >> always bring many members to the FOSS4G, to both local and
>> international
>> >> editions. Vasile was one of the pioneer, with Jachym, of the
>> FoSS4G-Europe
>> >> conferences after he had organized the second edition the FOSS4G-CEE
>> in his
>> >> country in Bucharest. He has taken responsibilities in many technical
>> tasks
>> >> for the board to accomplish his task and to facilitate the work of
>> every
>> >> board members. He has a good experience in working and leading research
>> >> projects, he is the Romanian representative in Copernicus User Forum
>> (the
>> >> European Earth observation programme) and the representative of Meteo
>> >> Romania at OGC.
>> >>
>> >> Vasile has proven his dedication to OSGeo over the year and, by
>> competing
>> >> again, he is proving, one more time, his dedication to the foundation.
>> >>
>> >> Vasile is a community leader and as such should be part of the Board of
>> >> Director.
>> >>
>> >> All the best,
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Gérald Fenoy
>> >> http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/User:Djay
>> >>
>> >
>> > ___
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>> > Discuss@lists.osgeo.org
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] [Election 2016] Board Nomination for Massimiliano Cannata

2016-09-20 Thread Andrea Aime
+1 here too :-)

Cheers
Andrea

On Tue, Sep 20, 2016 at 11:09 AM, Silvia Franceschi <
silvia.frances...@gmail.com> wrote:

> I also support Massimiliano's nomination for his strong work in developing
> open source application for environmental management which will be a key
> issue for the next years.
>
> Regards
>
> Silvia
>
> On Tue, Sep 20, 2016 at 10:47 AM, andrea antonello <
> andrea.antone...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I strongly support Massimiliano's nomination and am glad he stands for it.
>> I think his attention for both the academic and business side of
>> things is a great asset for our community.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Andrea Antonello
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Sep 9, 2016 at 9:40 PM, Jorge Sanz  wrote:
>> > Find below Massimiliano Cannata nomination to the Board of Directors by
>> > Gérald Fenoy.
>> >
>> > Best
>> > Jorge
>> > CRO 2016
>> >
>> > -- Mensaje reenviado --
>> > De: "Fenoy Gerald" 
>> > Fecha: 9 sept. 2016 15:39
>> > Asunto: Board nomination
>> > Para: "Vasile Craciunescu" 
>> > Cc:
>> >
>> >> Dear Cro,
>> >> please find bellow my nomination.
>> >>
>> >> Hello OSGeo community,
>> >> I would like to nominate Massimiliano Cannata aka "Maxi" from
>> Switzerland
>> >> as board member.
>> >>
>> >> Maxi is the leader of the geomatic division from the institute of Earth
>> >> Sciences SUPSI. I had the pleasure of working with Maxi on the OSGeo
>> board
>> >> and greatly admire his dedication to the OSGeo community, logical
>> approach
>> >> and a keen knack of getting things done. He is deeply involved in
>> OSGeo and
>> >> FOSS4G at various level and is always willing to help and provide his
>> >> relevant input on so many different topics, which sounds very
>> important for
>> >> a board member. He has proved his dedication to OSGeo during his term
>> by
>> >> being always constructive in the discussion and taking part of various
>> >> committees, such as the United Nations committee for which he is now
>> the
>> >> co-chair. He is also involved in various projects at various level, the
>> >> first which come to my mind is the istSOS project that he is leading
>> with
>> >> his team and his growing community, a workshop for istSOS is handled
>> every
>> >> year for at least 3 years during the FOSS4G. He is also involved in the
>> >> ZOO-Project PSC since 2010 and was in the GRASS PSC from 2006 to 2016.
>> His
>> >> amazing knowledge about how things works in OSGeo or should work for
>> the
>> >> better, his dedication and his capability to work and discuss openly
>> with
>> >> different kind of people prove that he is a real asset for the OSGeo
>> board.
>> >>
>> >> His personal OSGeo wiki page can be found here [1]
>> >>
>> >> Best regards,
>> >>
>> >> [1] https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Massimiliano_Cannata
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Gérald Fenoy
>> >> http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/User:Djay
>> >>
>> >
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] [Election 2016] Board Nomination for Maria Brovelli

2016-09-10 Thread Andrea Aime
Yes please!

Cheers
Andrea

On Fri, Sep 9, 2016 at 12:08 PM, Jorge Sanz  wrote:

> Forwarding Maria Brovelli nomination to the board of directors by
> Helena Mitasova
>
> Best,
> Jorge
> CRO 2016
>
>
>
> -- Forwarded message --
> From: Helena Mitasova 
> Date: 9 September 2016 at 05:07
> Subject: nomination of Maria Brovelli
> To: c...@osgeo.org
> Cc: Maria Antonia Brovelli 
>
>
> Maria Brovelli
> maria.brove...@polimi.it
> Italy
>
> I would like to nominate Professor Maria Brovelli for the board of
> directors.
> She is very well know in the community for her passion for open source
> software and open data,
> leader of numerous initiatives, including the latest outreach to United
> Nations,
> hosting FOSS4G Europe in 2015 and organizing several open source and
> open data sessions
> at the ISPRS congres in Prague in 2016.
> Her leadership and contributions to OSGeo were recognized by Sol Katz
> award in 2015
> and she is on the advisory board and one of the regional directors of
> GeoForAll initiative.
> She advised many students who made significant contributions to
> several OSGeo projects
> including GRASS GIS and understands both the community building and
> the software development issues.
> I feel strongly that she will be able to take on the challenging tasks
> and often complex
> decision making that comes with the the board of directors membership
> given her experience as
> Vice Rector for the Como Campus of Politecnico di Milano. See her page
> for more information
> https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/User:Maria
>
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] GeoServer 2.9.0 Released

2016-05-31 Thread Andrea Aime
Hi Faustin,
we are running GeoServer 2.9.0 on Java 8 exclusively, and if you want to
play with it, there is also
a demo server at http://demo.geo-solutions.it/geoserver/web/ that's running
2.9.x (the daily nightly build
of that series) on Java 8.

Do you have any logs reporting error messages?
Did you have a previous version of GeoServer working, or is it the first
time you try it?

Cheers
Andrea

PS: this discussion might be better suited for the geoserver-users list,
this one has many people
that might not be interested in it


On Tue, May 31, 2016 at 12:39 PM, Faustin Gashakamba <
fgashaka...@arcosnetwork.org> wrote:

> Hello Jody,
>
> I have had no luck in running GeoServer under Java 8. I keep seeing on the
> website that it is compatible but that’s not the case with me.
>
> For instance, I just downloaded the WAR file of this new release and put
> in Tomcat and restarted but it doesn’t run.
>
> I have other webapps in my Tomcat installation and they run fine. Any clue
> on what’s going on?
>
> My java below:
>
>
>
> PS C:\Web\Tomcat\bin> java -version
>
> java version "1.8.0_91"
>
> Java(TM) SE Runtime Environment (build 1.8.0_91-b14)
>
> Java HotSpot(TM) 64-Bit Server VM (build 25.91-b14, mixed mode)
>
> PS C:\Web\Tomcat\bin>
>
>
>
> Your help will be much appreciated.
>
>
>
> Faustin
>
>
>
> *From:* Discuss [mailto:discuss-boun...@lists.osgeo.org] *On Behalf Of *Jody
> Garnett
> *Sent:* 31 May 2016 00:42
> *To:* OSGeo Discussions 
> *Subject:* [OSGeo-Discuss] GeoServer 2.9.0 Released
>
>
>
> The GeoServer team is happy to announce the release of GeoServer 2.9.0:
>
>- http://geoserver.org/release/2.9.0/
>
> This is the new stable release suitable for use in production. This
> release *requires the use of Java 8*.
>
>
>
> Important updates:
>
>- Web admin application layer, preview, global settings, image
>processing and raster access screens have been updated.
>- User guide has been restructured for ease of navigation and to
>reduce duplication
>- The REST API can now be used to manage icons, fonts and
>configuration files and report on the status of installed components.
>- Internally this release features Wicket 7 and Spring 4 and the
>latest JAI-Ext library.
>- Layer bounds can now be generated from spatial reference systems
>extent
>- Styles can now be configured with a custom legend.
>- For more details please see the blog post
><http://blog.geoserver.org/2016/05/30/geoserver-2-9-0-released/> and
>release notes  (2.9.0
>
> <https://osgeo-org.atlassian.net/secure/ReleaseNote.jspa?projectId=1&version=13003>
>|RC1
>
> <https://osgeo-org.atlassian.net/secure/ReleaseNote.jspa?projectId=1&version=12502>
>|beta2
>
> <https://osgeo-org.atlassian.net/secure/ReleaseNote.jspa?projectId=1&version=12700>
>|beta
>
> <https://osgeo-org.atlassian.net/secure/ReleaseNote.jspa?projectId=1&version=12100>
>|M0
>
> <https://osgeo-org.atlassian.net/secure/ReleaseNote.jspa?projectId=1&version=11401>
>)
>
> Thanks to Jody and Devon (from Boundless) for publishing this release.
> This release was delayed for two months due to incompatibility with Java 8.
> Thanks for the dedicated testing a fix support from Andrea, Alessandro,
> Alex, Ben, Brad, Jukka, Niels, Torben and others during this long release
> cycle. Special thanks to sponsors of the Wicket 7 upgrade
> <https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/GeoServer_Code_Sprint_2016> sprint: OSGeo
> <http://www.osgeo.org/>, Boundless <http://boundlessgeo.com/>, Vivid
> Solutions <http://www.vividsolutions.com/>, How 2 Map
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Does rasdaman CE solve an open source geospatial problem?

2016-05-21 Thread Andrea Aime
On Sat, May 21, 2016 at 2:36 PM, Andrea Aime 
wrote:

> On Sat, May 21, 2016 at 2:06 PM, Cameron Shorter <
> cameron.shor...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I'd be interested to hear opinions of others in the field as to whether
>> Rasdaman community version is of value for real-world production systems by
>> itself.
>>
>
> I guess that would depend on the needs of the production system itself,
> and I'm not sure the OSGeo inclusion should be
> based on how capable the software is... in short, I'd stay away from this
> criteria.
>

Thinking about it, I believe this one needs some clarification. What I'm
trying to say is that Rasdaman CE should be evaluated
for it own merits and selected based on them, instead of being compared
with its commercial brother and rejected because
we find it lacking in the comparison.
Most projects graduated years ago with a lot less functionality that they
have today, we should be more concerned by
how useful the project is today and how well it can grow in the future.

I also stress that whether or not "open core" projects are natural members
of OSGeo, or not, is a separate topic, but at the
same time very important one. There is a lot of articles about "open core"
to read on the internet... I've tried to search "Open
core is good" on Google to give it a "positive" slant, I cannot really say
the result of the search agree on... positive :-p
It could just well be that the proponents have not spent enough time
writing about its benefits.

Cheers
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Does rasdaman CE solve an open source geospatial problem?

2016-05-21 Thread Andrea Aime
On Sat, May 21, 2016 at 2:06 PM, Cameron Shorter 
wrote:

> I'd be interested to hear opinions of others in the field as to whether
> Rasdaman community version is of value for real-world production systems by
> itself.
>

I guess that would depend on the needs of the production system itself, and
I'm not sure the OSGeo inclusion should be
based on how capable the software is... in short, I'd stay away from this
criteria.

However I believe this discussion raise an important point, it does not
make sense to talk about Rasdaman without qualification,
it makes sense to talk about Rasdaman CE and Rasdaman Enterprise, any
discussion about the abilities of the software,
benchmarks and the like, should be properly qualified by the version of it.

I agree OSGeo should be mostly concerned about the CE version, and how open
it actually is.
Like, if someone develops an extension to it that mimics some of the
enterprise functionality, will it be welcomed in the project?
That is the most important aspect, the "open core" model has a clear
tendency to keep the core version limited to
show better value in the paid for version, but the community around the
core version should not be pressured to stay away
from improvements that would hurt the money making brother of it.

While we are on the topic, there are also gray areas in which this model
tends to fall into, which can ruffle some feathers as well.
Say someone develops an improvement for the core version that is
competitive, to some level, with some functionality of the enterprise
version,
and the company decides to "donate" the equivalent code because it's better
developed, better tested, faster, more scalable
and so on.
This tends to hurt feelings on both sides, the community developer may feel
walked over, his/her code dumped in the thrash,
the company may feel like it's been held hostage of some ransom, by having
to donate its superior code over the
lower quality one offered by the community (of course, it could be the case
that the community offers something better,
but if that point is reached, the death bell is probably starting to sing
for the open core approach).

To some extend that's unavoidable I'm afraid, but I believe that OSGeo
should at least be concerned that the
community version is treated like a full open source project and everybody
feels empowered to pitch into it according
to their needs and abilities.

Then there is another topic of discussion, which is whether OSGeo agrees
with a dual licensing model to start with,
given the obvious tension that it generates between a open community and
the company benefiting from it.
Peter cites the need to make a honest living doing open source, and the
open core module as a way to reach that objective.
As a long time open source developer involved in single licence software I
never felt like I was underpaid or
mistreated, even when I have clear vision of companies making money off
work that sometimes I did over holidays...
I simply knew what I was getting myself into, and what the consequences of
an open license are.
That said, I do appreciate that people want to get an honest living and
work in open source at the same time, it's
simply too good of an opportunity to miss.

Cheers
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] [Incubator] Should OSGeo accept "benevolent dictator" projects into OSGeo?

2016-05-02 Thread Andrea Aime
On Sun, May 1, 2016 at 9:44 AM, Cameron Shorter 
wrote:

> OSGeo discuss, OSGeo incubation, OSGeo board,
>
> I'm hoping the greater OSGeo community will consider and comment on this
> question:
>
> Should OSGeo accept a "benevolent dictator" [1] governance model for
> incubating projects?
>
> -0 from me, Cameron Shorter.
>

Hi Cameron,
I've been thinking about this one for a while, allowing benevolent
dictatorships as graduated
OSGeo projects looks like a significant departure from what OSGeo has been
so far.

As such, I'm wondering if the decision should not be made by consulting
directly all charter members,
to check if today's OSGeo is in agreement with such a direction?
A list discussion on list is good to allow pros and cons to be discussed,
but tends to favor the more
vocal people, leaving the "general opinion" largely unknown.

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] [Board] Funding code Sprints

2016-03-06 Thread Andrea Aime
On Sun, Mar 6, 2016 at 3:18 PM, Hogan, Patrick (ARC-PX) <
patrick.ho...@nasa.gov> wrote:

> It appears to me that even these more-substantial-than-hackathons sprints
> do not reflect the typical work environment for code development. I will
> suggest that requires more of the 'deep thought' Leonardo approach versus
> the more intuitive 'just start chiseling' of a Michelangelo.
>

Patrick, it seems to be you imagining a work environment that's quite
different from the one a software developer in a company doing consulting
(typical open source setup) has.

My normal work environment requires me to work for 2-5 different customers
a day spanning from training, spec-ing and designing new
modules/applications, meetings, and actual development, along with
answering questions from my colleagues on other activities, often unrelated
to the ones that I'm in charge of.
During a typical open source code sprint I'm focused on a single activity
all day instead.

To be clear, I'm not complaining, if my daily work was single activity I'd
walk away out of boredom, what keeps the typical code sprint
engaging is also that we normally take on activity that seem hard to fit in
the allowed time, and thus require some
extras in terms of concentration and inventiveness to actually get
completed :-p

I'd say the recipe for a typical successful open source code sprint is:
* Several developers in the same room, that are normally working from
remote in different time zones
* An ambitious objective (not so large/difficult that it's impossible to
complete, but enough that you cannot relax and finish it anyways)
* Typically, full day experience (e.g., we have lunch and dinner together
too)
* Coffee... lots of it :-p

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] OSGeo guidelines for code hosting ?

2015-10-18 Thread Andrea Aime
On Sun, Oct 18, 2015 at 12:08 PM, Sandro Santilli  wrote:

> How does that diagram counts contributors ?
>
> With SVN it's very unlikely that a bot can recognize contributors
> other than the committers, while with GIT it's easier to make the
> actual contributor visible to a machine (being there an "author"
> field in addition to the "committer" field).
>

Indeed, it counts the committers, and it's true that it can be skewed,
but I assure you the overall effect is negligible.

Before pull requests we used to add a "patch by xyz" in the commit
message to give credit to the actual author. I looked at the year right
before the github switch, there are 4 commits like that in total (I searched
for just "by" to make sure not to skip stuff written with slight
differences).

If I look at the last year and ask for a contributor count I get:

> git shortlog -nsu --since "one year ago" | wc -l
84

Github tells me there are 34 developers with direct commit access, but I
checked
who made a commit in the last year. we are down to only 24 people.
Sometimes devs commit from another computer and
they don't have their mail setup, which makes for a two lines in that
statistic,
one with the username, one with the mail
e.g. in that list we have for example Mauro listed twice (and so is mine):
27  Mauro Bartolomeoli
24  mbarto

So that reduces the number of actual unique contributorsq a bit, let's say
down to 75-80...
it's still 50 random people contributing to GeoServer without commit access
in the last year, or, in other words, 10 times more external contributions
compared to before the switch to Github.

The thing is, we still have patches in the bug tracker that are a few years
old, and they will likely never be merged: when they came in they probably
were either dirty, or core devs were too busy, and after a few months
applying them becomes rather challenging, so there they stay: the merge
barrier
was too high, too domanding on the core devs.

With the current pull request mechanism we have a much improved ability
to handle contributions, in part because people are reminded of the
contribution rules the moment they make the pull request, in part because
the build servers inform the submitter about a problem in the pull request
rather quickly,
but also because we can comment in a more social way about the pull
request (before reviewing the patch was a one man job), and also because
they
are always nicely grouped and in front of our eyes at every PSC meeting
(we check the pull request queue like that every two weeks, to see
if there is anything that merits special attention).


>
> I'm not trying to negate the possible benefits in terms of number
> of contributors, but I'd be careful about the correctess of available
> data.
>
> > There is another benefit of moving to Github, which is build checks on
> pull
> > requests,
>
> Yes, this is something we unfortunately lost on OSGeo.
> We used to have buildbot running to that extent, but lack of volunteers
> made that experience come to an end.
>

Mind, here I'm talking about a special integration, not the normal
continuous build for commits that are integrated, but a custom build for the
pull request, which tells you whether or not merging that pull request
will break the build (to clarify, by build I mean both compiling and running
all automated tests save for OGC CITE compliance ones).

The pull request build status, along with an indication if the patch is
mergeable, and possibly an indication
of whether the test coverage went up or down, is a huge time saver.
If a review of the patch is satisfying, the build give us the green, we can
literally
just press the merge button, thank the contributor, and move on with our
work/live,
instead of spending time trying to apply while the code moved, build, go
back and forth
with the committer in a rather inefficient way (and manually run
build/tests every damn time), and so on.

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] OSGeo guidelines for code hosting ?

2015-10-17 Thread Andrea Aime
Hi,
just wanted to chime in saying that if OSGeo starts setting said guidelines,
it should also have some benefits comparison so that projects can
see what they might not get by avoiding Github.

In particular, looking at GeoServer experience from the switch, it's rather
evident we got more people contributing right the moment we did the
switch, here is the contributors per month diagram, the red line
is the date we switched from svn to GitHub:

[image: Inline image 1]


Most of this is due to two factors:
- availability of pull requests (which I believe you can get with other
tools too)
- critical mass on the platform (which arguably you will not get an a OsGeo
hosting)

There is however a downside of that, most of these contributions are "one
time gigs",
people help addressing the particular pitfall concerning them and then they
move on:
github did not change the number of core developers, it just increased a
lot the
number of other contributors.

There is another benefit of moving to Github, which is build checks on pull
requests,
we now have Travis (Linux, OSX) building all pull requests and running the
test suite against
them, so we instantly know if the change breaks tests or not, and we
planning on adding
test coverage checks (Coveralls, already used by OpenLayers for example)
and Windows builds
(already used by MapServer for example).

This kind of automation is also rather beneficial to filter our bad
contributions... which is
the dark side of lower contribution barrier, core devs have to spend quite
some time evaluating
pull requests... but ending up with a long queue of them gives a bad
impression about the project
openness. So yeah, another bit to consider I guess, is the project ready to
take on them?

So I'm not saying "everybody move to github" but I believe the above
should be
part of the many considerations made when evaluating a move to a different
version control.

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] OSGeo is becoming irrelevant. Here's why. Let's fix it.

2015-09-25 Thread Andrea Aime
On Sat, Sep 26, 2015 at 12:12 AM, Milo van der Linden 
wrote:

> Being a "don't talk, act" member since 2008, entrepreneur and former
> chairman of a couple of local initiatives, I strongly agree.
>
> Seeing all the "empty talkers" from my country run for charter membership
> and still not having geoserver, which is the most mature open geospatial
> product I can think of pas incubation made me completely lose interest in
> OSGeo.
>

Hi Milo,
to be completely honest, I cannot put an ounce of blame on OSGeo for
GeoServer not graduating quickly, the goals were there and were clear and
GeoServer was basically satisfying all but one of them from day one:
unfortunately we failed to execute on the IP review, which is a manual,
long, boring task, mostly because we were too busy with other stuff.
Eventually Jody managed to wrangle volunteers at a code sprint, got every
single file checked/fixed/reported, and voilà, shortly after we passed
graduation.

Other foundations have a dedicated team to do IP reviews, but those are
paid staff, not sure OSGeo can afford that... on the other side, every
project with a large code base will have a hard time putting aside the time
to go though every single file to check for IP violations.

Just my 2 (euro) cents ;-)

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Maven repository is down

2015-08-17 Thread Andrea Aime
On Mon, Aug 17, 2015 at 5:28 PM, Petar Tahchiev 
wrote:

> Hello,
>
> you maven repository is down :(
>
> http://download.osgeo.org/webdav/geotools/
>
> I wonder why are all the artifacts not synced with the maven central -
> it's uptime is really good, and I don't have to specify extra repositories
> in my build.
>

Getting them there is sometimes time consuming (we don't have the people
time to do it) and for some it's just impossible (e.g., JAI).
We also issue several MB worth of releases once a month, not sure if
central has policy against large and frequent releases,
and we would need to find a mechanism that avoids making releases more time
consuming.

If you want to help synching what's possible to maven central, you're more
than welcomed to so, many would appreciate
that work :-)

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Discussion on statement : avoiding slang. Was: Drafting a Diversity statement for the foundation (call for input)

2015-03-29 Thread Andrea Aime
On Sun, Mar 29, 2015 at 9:40 PM, Cameron Shorter 
wrote:

> Thanks all for the feedback.
> So my question is:
> 1. Should our Code of Conduct/Diversity statement mention that we have a
> multilingual community?
>

I believe it's still a good idea.


>
> 2. What should we recommend that all, and especially native speakers do to
> make our community welcoming to non-native speakers?


I'd suggest, just a reminder that the level of written English can vary a
lot, ranging from cases where the lack of fluency is
evident, to cases where the sentence seems just too direct/rude, so
generally speaking, it's a good idea to try and be patient
and understanding.

Sometimes I wish there was a guide of typical expectations/orientations
varying culture by culture, to try
and understand better where people are coming from and put what they say in
context (this example
 might be wrong or just a silly generalizations, but just to give you an
idea, I've heard
Japanese normally won't say no in a conversation, you have to figure it
out, and other cultures surely
have their "surprising" traits as well).

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Discussion on statement : avoiding slang. Was: Drafting a Diversity statement for the foundation (call for input)

2015-03-29 Thread Andrea Aime
On Sun, Mar 29, 2015 at 11:05 AM, Massimiliano Cannata <
massimiliano.cann...@supsi.ch> wrote:

> Hi all, Madi,
> The only issue with multilingual community to consider is that sometime
> non native language may express not perfectly and their words could be
> misunderstood.  So I would suggest to include to native to be patient and
> open versus non native language...
>
Indeed... especially since the simplest first forms of expression one
learns are the most direct ones, so most sentences end up sounding like
orders/direct complaints, lacking the nuances that would make them sound
more polite

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Projects mailing lists

2014-10-10 Thread Andrea Aime
Hi,
went to do it, but it seems that Jody also updated the GeoServer ones
already?
Or at least, someone did :-)

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> Filled in details for GeoTools
>
> Jody Garnett
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> On Wed, Oct 8, 2014 at 4:47 PM, Jachym Cepicky 
> wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I would like to ask all our OSGeo projects contact points, to join the
>> projects mailing list [1], so we have one single contact point for all
>> projects.
>>
>> I would also like to ask projects chairs/contact points, to update the
>> wiki [2] with your e-mail address, as described in my previous mail
>> [3] and let me know (preferably in response to this mail), that you've
>> done this. Please, let me know (preferably in response to this mail),
>> that you have done so.
>>
>> Some of you already did (thank you! and sorry, if you have to read
>> this message one more time)
>>
>> We just want to make sure, there is up-to-date link between OSGeo and
>> it's projects
>>
>> Thank you.
>>
>> Jachym - Secretary
>>
>> [1] http://lists.osgeo.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/projects
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] [Election 2014] Nomination for Silvia Franceschi

2014-07-28 Thread Andrea Aime
On Sun, Jul 27, 2014 at 9:33 AM, Jorge Sanz  wrote:

> Forwarding Silvia Franceschi nomination by Venka
>

Yes please! +1

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] [Election 2014] Nomination for Andrea Antonello

2014-07-24 Thread Andrea Aime
And another +1 for yet another one I thought was a charter member already
:-)

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> Forwarding Andrea Antonello nomination by Luca Delucchi
>
> Best
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> -- Forwarded message --
> From: Luca Delucchi
> Date: 2014-07-24 8:44 GMT+02:00
> Subject: Andrea Antonello nomination
> To: c...@osgeo.org
>
> I would like to nominate Andrea Antonello as Charter Member.
> He is long time contributor to several OSGeo Java project.
>
> http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/OSGeo_Advocate#Andrea_Antonello
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] [Election 2014] Nomination for Jukka Rahkonen

2014-07-24 Thread Andrea Aime
What, Jukka is not yet charter member???
Of course +1

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> Forwarding Jukka nomination by Even Rouault
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> -- Forwarded message --
> From: Even Rouault
> Date: 2014-07-21 20:35 GMT+02:00
> Subject: OSGeo Charter Member Nomination:  Jukka Rahkonen
> To: c...@osgeo.org
> Cc: Jukka Rahkonen
>
>
> Dear OSGeo community,
>
> I'd like to nominate Jukka Rahkonen, from Finland, for OSGeo charter
> membership.
>
> Jukka is one of the few people who belong to several PSCs of our OSGeo
> projects, namely Geoserver since 2012 and GDAL since 2013 (and among the
> very
> few to make the bridge between the Java and C/C++ tribes !)
>
> As far as GDAL is concerned, Jukka is one of our most active power users
> since
> many years. You've probably noticed him many times answering to questions
> from
> other users on the mailing list, testing bleeding edge trunk or doing
> precise
> bug reports. It was a pleasure for me to finally meet him in person at
> Nottingham last year.
>
> Jukka is also involved into other OSGeo (or related) communities such as
> MapServer, TinyOWS or Spatialite, which gives him a quite broad vision in
> the
> geospatial field.
>
> Jukka also maintains Finnish translations for OpenJUMP and Kosmo GIS and
> has
> given a workshop on GeoPackage in the Finnish OSGeo seminar this year.
>
> Even
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Nomination for Milan Antonovic

2014-07-22 Thread Andrea Aime
On Tue, Jul 22, 2014 at 1:02 PM, Venkatesh Raghavan <
ragha...@media.osaka-cu.ac.jp> wrote:

>  On 2014/07/22 19:52, Massimiliano Cannata wrote:
>
> I would like to nominate Milan Antonovic for OSGeo charter membership.
>
>  I second this nomination.
> Milan is a regular at international and regions FOSS4G events
> and I did not realize that he was not CM as yet.
>

Same here, seconding the nomination

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Membership fee (was: Proposed process for selecting OSGeo charter members)

2014-07-02 Thread Andrea Aime
stions.
> >
> > I think that all people who have commented in that thread have not
> necessarily
> > agreed if membership fees would be something in addition to the
> nomination and
> > election processs, or if it would replace it.
> >
> > If we switch to a paid membership, one would likely have to identify the
> > benefits brought by being a member. Voting rights for the board would
> probably
> > not a big enough benefit. In the AAG example quoted by Paul, there are
> several
> > benefits associated: access to journals, reduced prices to
> > publications/meetings, etc... That would mean that there is a commitment
> of
> > OSGeo to provide the advertized benefits, and thus the question on how to
> > guarantee this commitment would arise : volunteers effort, or paid
> > staff/contractors ?
> > Interestingly one of the benefit of AAG membership is access to "AAG
> specialty
> > groups" whose equivalent in OSGeo would probably be our mailing lists.
> So would
> > we want to restrict access to those to non members ? Mateusz also
> mentionned
> > that bills have to be paid to maintain some OSGeo servers, like svn.
> Would we
> > want to restrict access to those servers only to the folks who have paid
> the
> > membership fee ? Probably not.
> >
> > We have only mentionned individual members, but would we want to extend
> to
> > corportate members as well ?
> >
> > From my perspective, OSGeo Charter membership is a recognition for the
> > accomplishments of an individual to support OSGeo values and missions,
> and thus
> > gets a right to define its steering through board election. Perhaps we
> at a
> > community sometimes fail to welcome people who would deserve it, because
> they
> > are a bit outside of our usual networks to be nominated (or because
> people are
> > not confortable enough to do public nominations, perhaps for language or
> > cultural reasons), or because we reach the yearly quota for new members.
> That's
> > certainly a pitty if folks feel excluded whereas I think we generally
> try to be
> > rather inclusive.
> >
> > One thing to keep in mind is that if we translate into money the value
> of the
> > accomplishments of OSGeo Charter members, I'm pretty sure that in 99.99%
> of the
> > cases that translates to much more than USD 70. You can probably add one
> or two
> > zeros to that figure. So asking them for a fee, in addition to their
> other forms
> > of contribution, would seem a bit awkward, although I can understand that
> > contribution in term of money rather than time is sometimes more useful.
> So I
> > wouldn't object to paying a membership fee.
> >
> > But IMHO the main question is : do we need membership fees to sustain
> OSGeo ?
> > Aren't surplus funds generated by FOSS4G sufficient for that (although I
> can
> > understand that Howard's fear that FOSS4G organization by volunteers
> might not
> > be a sustainable model) ? Or perhaps we would need more funds to be able
> to do
> > more things ?
> >
> > OSGeo is perhaps rather different from other organizations in the
> geomatics
> > field in the way it manages its membership, but is it more a strength or
> a
> > weakness ?
> >
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[OSGeo-Discuss] Java GIS developers: a new open source project to speed-up map rendering

2014-02-03 Thread Andrea Aime
Hi,
I wanted to point out some new work being developed in open source
to speed up Java map drawing, the Marlin renderer:
https://github.com/bourgesl/marlin-renderer

The renderer is an improved version of the Pisces renderer found in the
OpenJDK
builds, which provides significant speed up over Pisces, and significant
scalability
benefits over Ductus, the closed source rasterizer included in the Oracle
JDK binary builds.

I believe this to be of interest of anyone running/developing Java GIS
applications
against OpenJDK, and of anyone doing multi-threaded map rendering against
any
JDK (examples coming to mind, DeeGree and uDig).

So, I invite you to give it a spin and report back, we also have
a mailing list to share experiences and coordinate development here:
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/marlin-renderer

Here are some benchmark results for the specific case of GeoServer to wet
your appetite:
http://geo-solutions.blogspot.it/2014/02/geoserver-improved-scalability.html

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[OSGeo-Discuss] What happened to planet.osgeo.org?

2013-11-24 Thread Andrea Aime
Hi,
is it just me, or the blog aggregator at planet.osgeo.org has been down for
a few days now?
http://planet.osgeo.org/

Wondering what's happening? I haven't seen announcements of it being taken
down, or
moved.

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Inaugural webinar of ”Open Geospatial Science & Applications” webinar series on 18th October

2013-10-18 Thread Andrea Aime
On Fri, Oct 18, 2013 at 3:21 PM, Miles Fidelman
wrote:

> Lluís Vicens wrote:
>
>> On 18/10/13 15:05, Norman Vine wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> On Oct 18, 2013, at 8:57 AM, Margherita Di Leo <
>>> dileomargher...@gmail.com 
>>> <mailto:dileomargherita@gmail.**com>>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>  Hi!
>>>>
>>>> looks like the system requirements for the platform chosen for the
>>>> webinar do not support Linux.. I just received the confirmation email with
>>>> the specs. I mean, are you kidding?
>>>>
>>>>
> Work-arounds (or lack thereof) aside - the "are you kidding" comment still
> applies.  Just as a not, webex DOES support Linux.
>

Mind,
I do work on a Ubuntu 64 bit and use webex daily. While desktop sharing and
chat works, audio support is broken, not usable at all.
I have to use skypeout to call into the phone support webex provides to
actually be able to talk... and sometimes the meeting
does not have this option at all, at which point, I'm forced to start up
windows.

I'm not implying this is everybody situation, but it would cut out somebody
for sure. Just try a search on the internet:
https://www.google.it/search?q=webex+audio+not+working&oq=webex+audio+not+working&aqs=chrome..69i57j0l3.3219j0j1&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8#q=webex+ubuntu+audio+not+working

There is a number of (usually complex) workarounds, none of which worked
for me.

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] FOSS4G-NA videos and slides

2013-07-21 Thread Andrea Aime
On Mon, Jun 24, 2013 at 2:51 PM, Andrea Aime
wrote:

> On Mon, Jun 24, 2013 at 2:43 PM, David Fawcett wrote:
>
>> I will get them up this week.
>>
>
Hi David,
any news?  FOSS4G 2013 is almost upon us, but I'm still keen to have a look
at some of the
FOSS4G NA presentation slides :-)

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[OSGeo-Discuss] FOSS4G workshop contacts

2013-07-19 Thread Andrea Aime
Hi,
I'd like to ask details about the FOSS4G 2013 workshops organization,
machines and the like, but it seems I don't have the right contacts.

Do you know who I could bother to ask about those details?

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] FOSS4G workshop contacts

2013-07-19 Thread Andrea Aime
On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 6:14 PM, Andrea Aime
wrote:

>
>> Contact emails are here:
>>
>>  http://2013.foss4g.org/about-foss4g/contact/
>>
>> and in the absence of a specific workshop contact, use the 'info'
>> mailing address. That goes to a small bunch of us who will make sure
>> the workshop organiser gets it.
>>
>
> Thanks a lot for the prompt response
>

Hmm... I've sent a mail to the info address, but it seems nobody will be
there
until July 24th (got an auto responder saying so).
Oh well, I've tried...

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] FOSS4G workshop contacts

2013-07-19 Thread Andrea Aime
On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 6:03 PM, Barry Rowlingson <
b.rowling...@lancaster.ac.uk> wrote:

> On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 4:52 PM, Andrea Aime
>  wrote:
> > Hi,
> > I'd like to ask details about the FOSS4G 2013 workshops organization,
> > machines and the like, but it seems I don't have the right contacts.
> >
> > Do you know who I could bother to ask about those details?
>
> Contact emails are here:
>
>  http://2013.foss4g.org/about-foss4g/contact/
>
> and in the absence of a specific workshop contact, use the 'info'
> mailing address. That goes to a small bunch of us who will make sure
> the workshop organiser gets it.
>

Thanks a lot for the prompt response


>
>  It might well be time to set up a workshop mailing list. Actually...
> OSGeo has a conference-workshop mailing list:
>
> http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/conference-workshops
>
>  which has been dead since Sept 2011.
>

Yeah, it would be nice, I believe several people would be interested and
may probably reduce the load on your side, in terms of avoiding to answer
the same questions over and over

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Nomination of Peter Baumann

2013-07-16 Thread Andrea Aime
On Tue, Jul 16, 2013 at 1:23 PM, Fenoy Gerald wrote:

> Hello,
> it is an honor for me to nominate Peter Baumann [1] as OSGeo Charter
> Member.
>
> I suppose that everybody know Peter Bauman first for the amazing work he
> make at OGC and on rasdaman project which is currently in the OSGeo
> Incubation Process. Peter mixes between research and business, he is
> professor at Jacobs University Bremen and also the founder and CEO of
> rasdaman GmbH. Peter is very active as an OGC member and in general in real
> life he is what I would call a "passionate community guy", always open to
> discussion, sharing his view / ideas and trying to find ways to make OSGeo
> projects collaborating with each other. Peter Baumann was one of the
> Keynote speakers at the FOSS4G-CEE this year as our president was.
>
> I think that Peter can be a real asset for OSGeo for promoting OSGeo with
> the passion, knowledge and relevance which characterize himself.
>

I second the nomination too

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Nomination for Alessandro Furieri

2013-07-11 Thread Andrea Aime
On Tue, Jul 9, 2013 at 10:31 PM, Markus Neteler  wrote:

> It is my honor to nominate Alessandro Furieri as OSGeo Charter Member.
>
>
Seconded :)

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] nomination for Just van den Broecke

2013-07-09 Thread Andrea Aime
Seconding Just nomination, well deserved.

Cheers
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On Tue, Jul 9, 2013 at 11:07 AM, Bart van den Eijnden wrote:

> I'd like to nominate Just van den Broecke for Osgeo charter membership.
> Just has invested a lot of his time in getting the Dutch language chapter
> of Osgeo set up recently (see http://osgeo.nl) .
>
> He has worked with a lot of the OsGeo software projects and has also
> developed tools in the open source domain on top of this such as Heron
> Mapping Components (http://heron-mc.org) and Streaming ETL (
> http://www.stetl.org/en/latest/).
>
> In 2012 he organised the Osgeo track at the GeoSpatial World Forum (GWF)
> and he is a regular visitor to FOSS4G and the Bolsena hacking event as well
>
> Best regards,
> Bart
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] FOSS4G-NA videos and slides

2013-06-24 Thread Andrea Aime
On Mon, Jun 24, 2013 at 2:43 PM, David Fawcett wrote:

> I will get them up this week.
>

Nice, thanks for the update

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] FOSS4G-NA videos and slides

2013-06-24 Thread Andrea Aime
On Wed, Jun 5, 2013 at 4:41 PM, David William Bitner
wrote:

> We are working at pulling the slides we can gather together. If you search
> for foss4gna on Twitter, you can find many folks who have already posted
> their slides on their own.
>

Hi David,
any progress since last mail? (June 4th)
I'm sure there is a large amount of people that would be interested in
having a look at the slides around here :-)

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] report OSGeo track at GWF 2013

2013-05-17 Thread Andrea Aime
On Fri, May 17, 2013 at 9:52 AM, Paul van Genuchten <
paul.vangenuch...@geocat.net> wrote:

>  Hi list at the 2013 edition of Geospatial World Forum held in Rotterdam
> 13-16 may 2013 OSGeo cohosted a seminar on Open Source (
> http://geospatialworldforum.org/2013/open_pr.htm). This document shortly
> describes the key points raised in each presentation.
>

Thanks for the nice summary, quite informative for those that could not
attend!

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] FOSS4G 2013 Nottingham Update

2013-05-10 Thread Andrea Aime
On Fri, May 10, 2013 at 9:00 AM, Barry Rowlingson <
b.rowling...@lancaster.ac.uk> wrote:

> The balance looks quite good to me, where there is duplication it
> seems to be different aspects of the same project - Postgis Intro and
> Postgis 3d have different audiences, for example. Its possible that
> other projects weren't represented in the proposals which would
> explain their absence. There are a few workshops from OpenGeo, but if
> you go to their website and see how much they charge for commercial
> training, you might see this as us giving people the opportunity to
> get some great training cheaply from some great trainers.
>

Danger danger, if this was truly the criteria we'd all be publishing some
training
page with high prices just to increase our credibility around workshop
selection
time :-p

I think I get what you mean, but the above statement can be easily
misinterpreted :-)

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Would you be concerned if the "GeoServices REST API" became an OGC standard?

2013-05-06 Thread Andrea Aime
All,
I've followed this thread with interest, thanks for the insightful
discussion.

If I can spare my 2 cents, is that the OGC specifications are complex
enough already, with differences in behavior in the various versions, that
adding another set of competing standards is just going to increase
confusion quite a bit, diluting the OGC position as a "reference" for
standards to a point of no return.
Several of the ideas in the REST GeoServices are good, yes, there is demand
for REST geoservices, and yes, JSON is popular, yet, especially from the
point of view of someone that participates to open source communities, it's
sort of unbelievable that someone can come and impose something to be a
standard as-is, no questions asked.
It's ok for it to be a starting point, but to be something that is embraced
at large it should be allowed to be pruned and modified to everybody's
satisfaction.

Also, I'm not sure here, but not building on top of the existing standards
it will likely introduce new terminology, making it harder to talk about
the services in a way that makes people understand each other. Adding a
REST service on top of existing standards, such as WFS (as a new network
binding) and GeoJSON would likely lower this risk significantly.

About implementing it or not, I cannot speak for the GeoServer PSC, but we
are normally open and pragmatic, so I doubt that if someone comes up with
an implementation of the ESRI GeoServervices API we'd refuse it, and if it
gets enough traction, it might well enter the core functionality. It's more
about someone contributing the code, and the overall user community showing
appreciation for it, than making a political statement.

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] OGC compliance of WMS client

2013-04-22 Thread Andrea Aime
On Mon, Apr 22, 2013 at 11:35 AM, Sebastian Goerke wrote:

> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
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> Hi,
>
> yes Andrea, but in my opinion it is not forbidden to have additional
> support for the other alternative. You have to implement the case
> sensitive KVP but it is not forbidden to implement the other additionally.
>

That's a grey area in the spec indeed. There are CITE tests checking that
the key
is treated as case insensitive, but I don't remember one checking for case
sensitive
values.

It would be interesting to see if there is anything in the WMS client CITE
test suite?
Was it made public, by the way?

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] OGC compliance of WMS client

2013-04-22 Thread Andrea Aime
2013/4/22 Marco Lechner - FOSSGIS e.V. 

> Hi,
>
> is a WMS-Client using "REQUEST=getcapabilities" instead of
> "REQUEST=GetCapabilities" still in compliance with OGC standard
> (VERSION1.1.1 as well as 1.3.0)? I don't think so, but I'm unsure.
>
>
My understanding is that it's not. All OGC KVP protocols are based on the
following
(stated in the common ows spec):
"the key is case insensitive, the value is case sensitive"

So, something like ReQueSt=GetCapabilities is valid, but
request=getcapabilities is not

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Happy birthday OSGeo!

2013-02-04 Thread Andrea Aime
On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 4:36 PM, Jeff McKenna
wrote:

> Here are some interesting OSGeo stats pulled today:
>
> - 195 mailing lists
> - unique mailing list subscribers: 19160
> - osgeo.org: 30487 unique visitors for month of January
> - wiki.osgeo.org: 2720 pages, 12550 users, 17M views
> - 1,350,000 google hits for "osgeo"
>
> Happy birthday everyone!
>

Just one quick comment... wow! :-)

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] pycsw Receives OGC Compliance Certification and Reference Implementation Status

2013-01-15 Thread Andrea Aime
On Mon, Jan 14, 2013 at 9:57 PM, Angelos Tzotsos wrote:

> 14 January 2013
>
> The pycsw development team is happy to announce that pycsw 1.4.0 is now
> certified OGC Compliant for OGC CSW 2.0.2 [1], and passes all 103 CITE
> tests.
>
> As well, pycsw is now an official OGC Reference Implementation. A
> demonstration instance of the reference implementation is available at
> http://demo.pycsw.org.
>

Congratulations :-)

Wondering, what steps did you follow to have pycsw also become a reference
implementation?
I thought the RI where chosen only while developing the CITE tests for a
particular standard, but the CSW 2.0.2 tests
have been out for a while

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] OpenLayers WMS OSM is LonLat in water?

2012-10-10 Thread Andrea Aime
On Wed, Oct 10, 2012 at 8:26 PM, izzybitsie  wrote:

> Hi,
> could someone let me know how I could find out if a chosen LonLat is in
> water?  I looked at the GetFeatureInfo example, but it only applies to
> Tasmania map.  I have not been able to  find a worldwide map to use
> GetFeatureInfo assuming this is the right way to go.
>

Among the OGC services, I guess using a WFS GetFeature with a query of
type "point intersection" against a layer that has precise shorelines, and
returning
only the hits as opposed to the records, would be better.

You could load data from Natural Earth, or if that is not precise enough,
use
the global high resolution shoreline dataset.

By the name of the layer I assume you're using GeoServer.
A request that would get you the result you want might be (mind, not
tested, and using some GeoServer
specific extensions for easier filtering):

http://host/geoserver/wfs?service=WFS&version=1.1.0&request=GetFeature&resultType=hits&CQL_FILTER=INTERSECTS(the_geom,
POINT(lat, lon))

Mind, since the above is using WFS 1.1 the coordinates will have to be
entered in lat/lon order, whilst the_geom is the name of the geometry
attribute for shapefiles in GeoServer, if you are loading into a database
check what is the actual geometry column name there)

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Sol Katz Award Nomination procedure (was Nomination for Venkatesh Raghavan)

2012-09-18 Thread Andrea Aime
On Tue, Sep 18, 2012 at 7:38 PM, Daniel Morissette  wrote:

> While I am all for openness in general, I share Howard's concerns in this
> specific case and think we should continue with private nominations.
>

Agreed (for what is worth). It would be sad if we started seeing sorts of
"mass voting" against
a nomination thread, mostly because it would look a lot like a political
election
(my idea of the Soul Katz Award is that OSGeo is looking for an excellence
which is
not necessarily the one of just being popular, thought of course
strong commitment
in the community has that "side effect")

However... maybe someone should push the OSGeo community to send private
nominations more?
I have no idea, no raw data, but in the years I have had the impression
that the
importance of nomination period could be stressed more, thus getting more
nominations and as a result a better sampling from the community.

Just rambling here, don't take me too seriously :-p

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] New charter members!

2012-07-09 Thread Andrea Aime
On Mon, Jul 9, 2012 at 6:19 PM, Michael P. Gerlek  wrote:
> We received 22 nominations for the 2012 Charter Members. There were 20 
> membership positions available, but the board acted over the weekend to 
> increase that number to 22.
>
> Therefore, on behalf of the OSGeo Board and the entire OSGeo community, I am 
> pleased to welcome the following people as OSGeo Charter Members for 2012:

Woot!


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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Functional Testing of GIS applications (Automated Testing)

2012-02-25 Thread Andrea Aime
On Wed, Feb 22, 2012 at 5:12 AM, AbSharma  wrote:

> Hello,
>
> I'm developing a GIS application using GeoServer, Openlayers, and SQL
> Server
> at the back-end. I tried to look for resources to write Automated Tests for
> functional testing of the application. I will describe an example scenario:
>

OGC compliance suites are examples of functional tests, they assume the
server has a given data set ready to be served, make requests, check the
results for a set of conditions that must be met.

However, all the tests suites rely on tests that are not visual, the WMS one
is the only one that has a few visual tests and it actually asks the human
running the test to compare the images.

If you have exemplars of how a map should look like you can use
pdiff (perceptual diff) to compare the expected image with the one actually
returned. I believe MapServer automated tests are done that way.

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[OSGeo-Discuss] GeoTools 2.7.3 released

2011-10-07 Thread Andrea Aime
The GeoTools community is pleased to announce the availability of
GeoTools 2.7.3 for download from source forge:
* Sources: 
http://sourceforge.net/projects/geotools/files/GeoTools%202.7%20Releases/2.7.3/geotools-2.7.3-project.zip/download
* Binaries: 
http://sourceforge.net/projects/geotools/files/GeoTools%202.7%20Releases/2.7.3/geotools-2.7.3-bin.zip/download
* Welcome guide:
http://sourceforge.net/projects/geotools/files/GeoTools%202.7%20Releases/2.7.3/geotools-2.7.3-welcome.zip/download
* User guide: 
http://sourceforge.net/projects/geotools/files/GeoTools%202.7%20Releases/2.7.3/geotools-2.7.3-userguide.zip/download
* Javadocs: 
http://sourceforge.net/projects/geotools/files/GeoTools%202.7%20Releases/2.7.3/geotools-2.7.3-doc.zip/download

If you are using Maven this release is deployed to our OSGeo Maven
Repository: For more information on setting up your project with Maven
see the Quickstart at
http://docs.geotools.org/stable/userguide/quickstart.html (also
included in the welcome documentation pack above).

This is a maintenance release focused on quality made conjunction with
GeoServer 2.1.2.

With stable releases there is always a larger pool of people making
contributions to thank. While it may not sound as exciting as listing
the latest cool new features; it is this work on Quality that makes
the GeoTools library a trusted success.
* Rudi Hochmeister was kind enough to sort out connection pool
handling for ArcSDE datastore.
* Serhat Gulcicek has worked on the number of domain types the PostGIS
DataStore can handle
* Gabriel Roldan has been working a bit of WFSDataStore and has the
honour of fixing the oldest bug of this release (GEOT-465 first
requested 2005).
* Gabriel has also been working the WMS client code allowing to better
handle custom attributes advertised in the server capabilities
document.
* Jan De Moerloose has figured out a very tricky fix for the handling
of patch patterns across tile borders.
* Fernando González Cortés has fixed the handling of null shapefile records.
* Andrea has optimised the recode, categorise and interpolate
functions (which are heavily used when creating good custom styles)
And 75 more in the GeoTools 2.7.3 Release Notes
(http://jira.codehaus.org/secure/ReleaseNote.jspa?projectId=10270&version=17442)

Finally thanks to GeoSolutions for putting this release out

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Re: [Geoserver-devel] [OSGeo-Discuss] 39 out of 43 excellent project overview docs, ready for the OSGeo-Live DVD - 3 days left

2010-07-31 Thread Andrea Aime

Ian Turton ha scritto:

Just to let people know that I've agreed to write some GeoServer docs
for the liveDVD - unless someone else jumps in and beats me to it.


Ian, many, many thanks :-)

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] 5 Star OSGeo project maturity rating

2010-06-05 Thread Andrea Aime

Cameron Shorter ha scritto:
For the OSGeo LiveDVD and OSGeo marketing material, I propose we use a 5 
star maturity rating. This is because it is too difficult to explain in 
a couple of words, the difference between: "Graduated", "In Incubation", 
"Stable", "Beta"
Again, I'm interested to hear comments on whether I have defined a good 
rating system, before we set it in stone.


A rating system, imho, should take into consideration multiple vectors:
- does the project have a long history?
- how big is the developers community (e.g. number of active committers
  in the last year)
- what are the steps taken to keep the code base quality high (unit
  tests, nightly builds, code reviews, and so on)
- how diversified is the developer community (are all developers 
affiliated to a single entity, or distributed among many? What is the

  bus factor in terms of companies)
- how live the development is (e.g., number of commits/changed files/
  size of the diff between today and one year ago)
- how big is the user community (e.g., nummber of subscribers to
  the users list)
- does it have user documentation
- does it have developer documentation
- does it have stable/frequent releases
- has it been awarded OSGEO project status, is it in incubation?

These  (and others) could be assigned some score, and then you could
sum them and get to an overall score.
Some elements could have a weight higher than others to accomodate
for relative importance (e.g., part of OSGEO could be weighted higher
than the other items).

Just my 2 cents

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] GetFeatureInfo Filter

2010-05-14 Thread Andrea Aime

Miranda Mauricio ha scritto:

Hi people!

Quick question... is it possible to filter a getfeatureinfo request with a 
cql_filter parameter or something like that?


In GeoServer it is possible, but we're talking about a custom extension
here, cql_filters are not part of the standard WMS protocol.

For example, here is a WMS query that will return all US states starting 
with an M (filter is STATE_NAME LIKE 'M%')


http://demo.opengeo.org/geoserver/wms?HEIGHT=330&WIDTH=780&LAYERS=topp%3Astates&STYLES=&SRS=EPSG%3A4326&FORMAT=image%2Fpng&SERVICE=WMS&VERSION=1.1.1&REQUEST=GetMap&EXCEPTIONS=application%2Fvnd.ogc.se_inimage&CQL_FILTER=STATE_NAME%20LIKE%20%27M%25%27&BBOX=-139.84813671875,18.549615234375,-51.85286328125,55.778384765625

And then we can do a GetFeatureInfo over Kansas, and if
you don't add the filter, you get back the usual HTML table:

http://demo.opengeo.org/geoserver/wms?REQUEST=GetFeatureInfo&EXCEPTIONS=application%2Fvnd.ogc.se_xml&BBOX=-139.848137%2C18.549615%2C-51.852863%2C55.778385&X=363&Y=148&INFO_FORMAT=text%2Fhtml&QUERY_LAYERS=topp%3Astates&FEATURE_COUNT=50&Layers=topp%3Astates&Styles=&Srs=EPSG%3A4326&WIDTH=780&HEIGHT=330&format=image%2Fpng

but if you add the filter, you get back nothing as Kansas does not 
satisfy it:


http://demo.opengeo.org/geoserver/wms?REQUEST=GetFeatureInfo&EXCEPTIONS=application%2Fvnd.ogc.se_xml&BBOX=-139.848137%2C18.549615%2C-51.852863%2C55.778385&X=363&Y=148&INFO_FORMAT=text%2Fhtml&QUERY_LAYERS=topp%3Astates&FEATURE_COUNT=50&Layers=topp%3Astates&Styles=&Srs=EPSG%3A4326&WIDTH=780&HEIGHT=330&format=image%2Fpng&CQL_FILTER=STATE_NAME%20LIKE%20%27M%25%27

As I said, all of this is GeoServer specific. Other server might have
different ways of providing a similar functionality

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Demo WMS server

2010-05-11 Thread Andrea Aime

Jochen Topf ha scritto:

I am just working on a piece of Open Source software that can access WMS
servers. I'd like to have some kind of demo server that could be configured
in the software by default so that people have a working configuration
directly after install which makes it easier for them to get going. The
server doesn't have to do much, just deliver a simple world map or so.

I looked around a bit for suitable demo servers, but didn't find any. It
should be something with a reasonable chance that it will be around for a
while.

I could imagine that other people have the same problem. How about having
such a WMS server on a OSGeo host somewhere? I don't expect a huge amount
of load on such a server, its just for demo and not for actual use, really.

What do you think about this? I don't have access to any OSGeo hosts, but
would be willing to help with the setup.


Anyways, back on topic, if you want you can use
http://demo.opengeo.org/geoserver
and in particular:
http://demo.opengeo.org/geoserver/ows?service=wms&version=1.1.1&request=GetCapabilities
(the server provides also WFS and WCS services, with a few layers
WFS-T editable)

The set of layers is still a bit messy but I'm planning to publish
at least the ThematicMapping.org country layer and maybe later during
the month the natural earth dataset.


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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Demo WMS server

2010-05-11 Thread Andrea Aime

Jason Birch ha scritto:

Works for me.

Do you have a corporate firewall?  Checkpoint was killing our external 
WMS requests until we turned off an over-aggressive filter.


Nope, working from home, from Italy, using one of the biggest ISP,
so direct connection to the net. The IP is dynamic too, and that
WMS server always responded the same way to me.

If I ssh into a server located in the US I get a proper response instead.
That's why I guessed there might be some kind of country based
control or something like that. Maybe the set of addresses my ISP
gives me entered a black list... who knows.

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Demo WMS server

2010-05-11 Thread Andrea Aime

Stefan Steiniger ha scritto:

how about this one:

http://wms.jpl.nasa.gov/wms.cgi


Am I the only one getting a 403 when trying to access that server?

http://wms.jpl.nasa.gov/wms.cgi?REQUEST=GetCapabilities&SERVICE=WMS

Is that server somehow deciding not to serve european hosts or something
like that?

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] open source polygon cluster aggregation algorithm?

2010-05-06 Thread Andrea Aime

G. Allegri ha scritto:

I'm looking for an algorithm to do polygon cluster aggregation,
similar to the ArcInfo "Aggregate Polygon" [1].
I know about GEOS "Cascaded Union", but I need two more features:

1 - clustering of polygons that fall within a a certain threshold
distance from each other
2 - mantain orthogonality, i.e. the original angles/shapes


I don't know of any such implementation, but it looks somewhat
similar to the computation of a concave hull:

http://ubicomp.algoritmi.uminho.pt/local/concavehull.html
http://stackoverflow.com/questions/83593/is-there-an-efficient-algorithm-to-generate-a-2d-concave-hull

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Any thoughts on the potential for using Seadragon as a map browsing interface?

2010-04-27 Thread Andrea Aime

Landon Blake ha scritto:
I’m not a web developer, but it seemed like the tech could be used for 
browsing high-resolution map images.


 


http://www.seadragon.com/


Does not work at all on my Ubuntu 64 bit. Sigh...

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] are there any unpaid developers?

2010-04-19 Thread Andrea Aime

Ian Turton ha scritto:

One of my students was asking today about the open source development
process (with special reference to geospatial projects). One question
I'm left with is are there any OSGEO developers who are doing this
just for the fun and fame? I know that a lot of us have fun developing
but everyone I could think of (GeoTools, GeoServer, uDig) gets paid to
have that fun.


My first few years of Geotools were completely unpaid: wake up at 5,
worth though the weekends, to get it to work enough for my students
at the uni to use (so in a sense there was a "work" purpose, but
I was barely paid just for the hours spent in the classroom and nobody
pushed for them use an open source library).

Today I'm paid to work on GeoTools/GeoServer, but I still put in
weekends time so there is still an unpaid portion.
I don't think it can really go away: paid stuff is directed by
company/customer needs /plans, on the spare time you do what you feel
is good/necessary/fun instead.
I don't believe you can really be "involved" if you don't have
that kind of passion, yes, one can just "work" in an OS project,
but it's not really the same thing as real involvement.

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] How to use DXF and GeoTools?

2010-02-22 Thread Andrea Aime

Roy Braam wrote:

Hello Landon,

We created a dxf datastore for geotools but didn't submitted it to the 
geotools project yet. Because it's not fully tested. Perhaps this is a 
good moment to submit it? If you ask the same question on the geotools 
list (bcc to me) i'll answer with a link to the source download. Perhaps 
it will be added to the geotools project then.


Roy,
in GeoTools we have this concept of unsupported modules, they are
there so that people can work on them with a public svn and get other
people interested in them.
Of course to make the module supported it has to be covered with
unit tests, but that is not a requirement for unsupported ones.
Let's discuss this on the GeoTools-dev list? :-)

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Comparison

2010-02-18 Thread Andrea Aime

Mateusz Loskot ha scritto:

Stefan Steiniger wrote:

same for me - I stumbled over this page after a hint from Markus - and
nobody ever asked us to have a look over it or send an email.


Stefan,

Please try to understand what Rafal says.
It was intentional and it was part of the idea of the evaluation
made in frame of the CASCADOSS project.

There is no point in making outraged debate if this idea was right or not,
as it would be a never-ending story.
It would be better to consider it as a software benchmark.
It is not possible to create a benchmark that is completely and
fully objective and makes happiness and peace in every corner of all geeky
mindship.
Every study makes particular assumptions, so CASCADOSS study does.

The point is to review current status and make it better.


Checking open source software against its documentation is like 
evaluating commercial software against the help you can get on

community driven forums (if there are any).

Anyways, I agree this discussion would not take us anywhere
and I won't comment any further.

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Comparison

2010-02-18 Thread Andrea Aime

Rafal Wawer ha scritto:

Hi Jovi,
For a start you can take a look at the evaluation results of CASCADOSS 
project - you will find there also other types of FOSS4G software too.
http://www.cascadoss.eu/en/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=16&Itemid=16 
<http://www.cascadoss.eu/en/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=16&Itemid=16>
 
The evaluation is a bit out of date - valid for early 2008, but the 
evaluation method itself may provide the clues how to look at  and 
compare FOSS4G software projects.


I am wondering if the GeoServer report was submitted to the GeoServer
community for double checking? I've noticed a few errors in the report
(even for beginning 2008).
For example we had in-build testing since spring 2007, the project
was already more than 5 years old in 2008 and so on.

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] WCS/WMS accuracy tests?

2009-12-09 Thread Andrea Aime

Steven M. Ottens wrote:

Hi all,

I've finished my tests. The conclusion: Geoserver has a bug which
offsets all the results by half a pixel, this is a known issue with
the definition of the location of a pixel. Added to this there’s the
no-data border which appears with non-native, non-multiple requests.
I presume that will be gone once the pixel issue is resolved.


Ah hem, are you sure it's correct to call it a bug?
My impression is that we are respecting the OGC specs to the letter and
that, as it often happens, the real world is actually working
differently, but I need to double check with Simone that dealt with
this issue more in detail

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[OSGeo-Discuss] Re: [Incubator] Request for OSGeo projects logos

2009-11-26 Thread Andrea Aime

Arnulf Christl ha scritto:

OSGeo Project Leads (incubating and graduated),
please make sure that you upload your logos in high quality SVG format
to the OSGeo Marketing SVN repository, please create a sub folder with
the name of your project:
http://svn.osgeo.org/osgeo/marketing/logo/projects/


Arnulf, for GeoServer we don't have an SVG version of the logos, have
to check if the designer has them in any vector format.
What I can offer at the moment is a 1000x234 TIFF image prepared for 
printing (1.5 MB).


Would that be ok anyways?

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] OSGeo barriers to entry

2009-11-17 Thread Andrea Aime

Landon Blake ha scritto:

Andrea,

You wrote: "This tells me the project has lots of contributors, lots of
people that have a stake on it, a big enough user base that the
possibility of funding is no more a pipe dream but a solid reality.
Such a project by its very nature will tend to attract more people that
can find funding to work on the project itself."

I'm curious about how we get a project to the point you describe. That
seems to be an even greater challenge.


If there was a recipe we would not see that many failed open source 
projects ;-)


However someone wrote a book to help:
http://producingoss.com/

Mind, the book will save people from obvious mistakes, and our course
you need technical talent too, but past that, imho  the personalities of
the people involved (treating a project as a pile of code instead as a
group of people is another common mistake imho), dedication, good timing
and even just luck are really playing the difference between success and 
failure.


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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] OSGeo barriers to entry

2009-11-17 Thread Andrea Aime

Frank Warmerdam ha scritto:

Certainly all of the above tend to apply to many people contributing
to OSGeo projects.  Certainly the bulk of my work on GDAL, and MapServer
is client funded.  I know that most of the contributors to GDAL and
MapServer have at least some of their time funded.  Likewise many of
the other projects though my knowledge gets thinner on some of them.

I think one challenge is to get people who have funded time to work on
specific features into broader involvement with the projects and
OSGeo in general.


I believe the idea that OSGEO projects contributor tend to be paid
to work on the project itself is the result the very selection
criteria to become an OSGEO project:
- mature project
- established user base
- a formal governance model

This tells me the project has lots of contributors, lots of people
that have a stake on it, a big enough user base that the possibility
of funding is no more a pipe dream but a solid reality.
Such a project by its very nature will tend to attract more people
that can find funding to work on the project itself.

Also, being estabilshed, it will have some barriers to entry in terms
of the code base size and complexity itself, and QA processes that
will make it harder to just look at the project for a weekend, cook up
something, give it back and disappear.

I guess one of the challenges for projects in OSGEO is exactly that:
how do we create easy contribution opportunities that can be tackled
with limited effort by people interested in contributing a weekend
and/or just get a little involved in the community?

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] code sprint before or after the conference

2009-10-23 Thread Andrea Aime

Bart van den Eijnden (OSGIS) ha scritto:

Hi list,

today I was at the code sprint in Sydney, and after a whole week of 
conference with the associated beers and late nights, nothing much 
productive came out of me unfortunately, which was to be expected.


So for next year in Barcelona, I would really appreciate it if the code 
sprint code would be *before* the conference starts.


How do other people feel about this?


I have the impression the developers that are also giving presentations
or workshops will spend the sprint on conference related stuff ;-)
I for one have been able to make something today, but I wouldn't
have been able to participate at all before the conference.

Hard to get all people working no matter what the date chosen is I 
guess, you'll loose someone anyways I guess we can try to guess

what option provides the least damage? Maybe we can ask people
around what option they would have preferred.

My money is on the sprint after, since I usually have workshops
and presentations to care for. But that is just me. You'd prefer
to have it before.
What about the others?

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] WMS Performance Shootout presentation/results

2009-10-23 Thread Andrea Aime

Craig Miller ha scritto:
I agree wholeheartedly.  It looks like the bottleneck was the database.  
I’ve been privy to some MapServer tests done by testing teams over 
several months and the result there was always deploying the data with 
long update cycles to the middle tier disks instead of using the 
database.  Only then could the performance of the actual map servers be 
evaluated.  Performance shootouts/testing take time to do correctly as 
each run teaches you more and more about how your deployment 
architecture affects the results.


Actually running the benchmarks it looked the CPU was the bottleneck,
we had 25% cpu load in the single test (so 100% of the one CPU
used by that test, out of the 4 available) and during the higher loads
the CPU usage was jumping between 80% and 100% (so almost all 4 cpu
maxed out).

The database server was hardly using more than 25-30% of its CPU
and the network shouldn't have played the bottleneck either (past
experience suggests it takes a tilecache to actually turn a 100Mbit
line into a bottlenek), thought we don't have numbers for that

During the benchmark I had very little time to run profilers, but
the few times I've tried in GeoServer the time seemed to be splitted
quite equally between data fetching, actual drawing, and output
image encoding... which is kind of the worst thing you can get out
of a profile run, since it does not point to any culprit.

Getting a profile out of MapServer is surely going to be interesting,
the codebase is smaller and there is no garbage collection going on
so the results should be clearer. Looking forward to see those results :-)

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] WMS Performance Shootout at FOSS4G 2009

2009-10-09 Thread Andrea Aime

Bob Basques ha scritto:

All,

The reason i asked about the stability of the WMS links in the wiki, was 
I was thinking about setting up a GeoMoose interface for the WMS calls 
for each layer, combining that with Firebug would give some good real 
(world network speed) information metrics for users, either during 
and/or after the compitition, BTW, how much/many of the services will 
stay inplace after the fact?  Might be useful during the thing as well.


The network connection to those servers is capped to something like
30-50KBytes/s, you won't get anything out of that.
Also please don't run any sequence of tests over them since:
- if anybody is running test benchmarks you'll skew the results
- our ssh consoles will be mostly stuck as you make requests since
  you'll be eating away all bandwidth

Please people, be patient until the conference is done

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] WMS Performance Shootout at FOSS4G 2009

2009-10-09 Thread Andrea Aime

Bob Basques ha scritto:

All,

Is there a list of the tests administered?   I would be interested in 
the rendering speed of differently sized images and where the sweet spot 
is for a particular engine in size vs rendering speed.  I did find the 
description of source data.  Also any thing related to reprojection of 
rasters on the fly?


The size of the images is randomized but "big" (in the 1024x768 
ballpark). There is no raster reprojection.

We won't change the tests definitions at this point, our current
problem is to reduce the amount of results we'll present (we have
too many already), but we hope to turn this exercise into a "classic"
that might be run even other times during the year (this one is
just a personal idea) so

Are the Live Benchmarks links going to be the same for the duration of 
the competition?


We want to keep a low profile and not divulge results up until the
presentation, so no, no links :-)

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Symbology/styles exchange

2009-01-06 Thread Andrea Aime

Jody Garnett ha scritto:
Could we start with a simple content management system (or wiki that 
supports attachments?)


The thing is, that's already there, and it's not working all that
great for what I can see.
The elements I listed in a previous mail (per item discussion,
peer evaluation, categories and the like) seem like the
turning point that makes the user community going.
Put another way, have you ever heard of a wiki style site
that collects KDE apps? Maybe it was tried out, but what's
really working out there is the http://www.kde-apps.org/ format
instead.

I've tried to contact those guys but I got no response so
far so... it seems I won't be able to just leverage their
platform after all :(

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Symbology/styles exchange

2008-12-29 Thread Andrea Aime

Moskovitz, Bob ha scritto:

It would be great if geological symbols that can be found in 
http://pubs.usgs.gov/tm/2006/11A02 can be considered.


Well, no matter what the technical solution
adopted is going to be, the key is that the
site contents should be totally user driven,
much alike wikipedia, not a set of symbols
chosen by a committee.

So the question about a symbol set being
"considered" would not really stand up,
if you'd care to point people to them
you'd just have to register to the site and
add a pointer to them or upload the symbols
directly there if the license allows it.

I know this would eventually mean some
bad content gets into the site, and
that's why peer ranking and item
related discussions are important,
if enough people get interested in the
site (if we reach a critical mass) then
good content will stand up by itself.

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Symbology/styles exchange

2008-12-27 Thread Andrea Aime

Lorenzo Becchi ha scritto:



Andrea Aime wrote:
...

Well, personally I don't have much time, but the idea is engaging.
What I would like to see in such a platform is:
- easy to get into it. Register and contribute
- have some focus on the contribution license, it is important
  that whoever shares decides how others can reuse his work
- peer review (voting system)
- comments, possibly treaded -> a discussion on each contribution
- forum, where people can discuss map making more in general
- visual, everything we talk about (style, symbols, softwares, data)
  should be accompained by at least one screenshot, the screenshot
  should appear in all listings
- categorized, so that if I'm interested in symbols I know where
  to go... maybe we more than one way to categorize stuff,
  think point symbols vs fills but also geology vs road maps



AFAIK, with a little customization (or maybe not) of Wordpress [1] you 
can do them all.


Doh, interesting, and I thought it was for blog posts only...
do you have some reference in mind, like one or more
example sites I can look at?
Do you know any site made with wordpress that has this
kde-looks ability to show the most interesting items by
category with a screenshot, title and short description?
(the visual component is key to such a site).

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Symbology/styles exchange

2008-12-27 Thread Andrea Aime

RAVI KUMAR ha scritto:

Hi,
symbology is of particular significance for Geologists. Orientation (Rotation) of symbols and labelling through attribute table are essential. 
OpenJUMP user list has made great contribution towards this. Wish to know if any other Open GIS has similar resources.


Any software using SLD should be able to rotate symbols,
at least point ones. GeoServer does for example, I think
MapServer does too.

But maybe you're not referring to simple points? Can you
provide more details?

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Symbology/styles exchange

2008-12-27 Thread Andrea Aime

Olivier ERTZ ha scritto:

Hi,
while you read my little answer, just imagine a big smile on my face, 
because what you describe in your call is something that really 
motivates me. I was currently doing a kind of same investigation, and 
Osmarender, Kosmos, MassGIS Wiki on SLD, ... could all be added to your 
starting list, and I came to the same conclusions : having a symbology 
and styling platform to share would be great, and I sign up with two 
hands. So, I'm ready to help in building a wiki page to write the 
specification of such a platform. 


Well, personally I don't have much time, but the idea is engaging.
What I would like to see in such a platform is:
- easy to get into it. Register and contribute
- have some focus on the contribution license, it is important
  that whoever shares decides how others can reuse his work
- peer review (voting system)
- comments, possibly treaded -> a discussion on each contribution
- forum, where people can discuss map making more in general
- visual, everything we talk about (style, symbols, softwares, data)
  should be accompained by at least one screenshot, the screenshot
  should appear in all listings
- categorized, so that if I'm interested in symbols I know where
  to go... maybe we more than one way to categorize stuff,
  think point symbols vs fills but also geology vs road maps

The kde-looks.org plaftorm seems to offer all of the above with
little/no effort. If there is no dedicated team to build a new
site going to that platform seems a good way to test out the
concept with little investment.
The one thing I don't like much about kde-looks.org platform
is that I don't understand well its licensing issues, if any,
and the fact that a map styling site would be better owned
by OSGEO.

But in the end, I'd prefer to see one site with some chance
of success despite some issues, that a lengthly discussion
about tools, people that want to make them up with different
technologies, and end up with nothing done because all the
energy is lost in discussion, if you know what I mean.

I'm more of looking for technologies that provide all
of the above (or most of the above) out of the box and see
what comes out by comparing them.

Of course, OSGeo_map_symbol_set is 
then to be taken in consideration, and for sure people who wrote this 
wiki page will feel concerned...


I don't believe there should be any concern... the page can
get its representation in a such a community based site, or
be an alternative to it.

Cheers
Andrea

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[OSGeo-Discuss] Symbology/styles exchange

2008-12-26 Thread Andrea Aime

Hi,
lately I was looking around for places where
sample map styles, sample map symbols, and
public discussions (forums/ml) about the topic
of map making on web/desktop platforms.

I've found something around, like the MapServer
symbology exchange, or the italian OSGEO chapter
site collecting some free SVG symbols.
And some discussions as well, but sprinkled over
various mailing list as part of a different main
topic.
The scenario is somewhat discouraging, and I was
thinking of ways to improve the situation,
have more users exchange, discuss and participate
in a community of electonic map makers.

What I have in mind is a platform like
gnome-look.org allowing everyone to post and
share their work, organize it in categories,
have other people vote and comment/discuss
Examples:
- map symbols
- map styles, be it SLD, mapfiles, mapnik config file,
  ESRI projects  (why not?)
- data itself, be it real downloadable data, or
  pointers to sites where the data is available

Here are some user stories I have in mind for such
a site:
- a user has made a map is proud of. He posts
  on the site a screenshot of the map, the style
  used to create it, and the license under which
  the style is distributed. Other people can comment,
  eventually show how the same map can be created
  using a different GIS system
- maybe the above map contains self made symbols
  (SVG, TTF, MapServer symbols, ...) that can be
  published in a map symbol sharing area of the
  same site
- the same map is done using some data, maybe the
  data can be shared, or the map has been produced
  over some well known free data set. This would
  help others make the same map with another
  system, or take the initial map and propose
  variations/improvements on top of it

Adding a forum where people can discuss about map
making would be good as well.
This would be in competition with the various support
forums of the existing projects, so it has to provide
something more than the existing ml do not provide.
What that is, is comparisons between different
products, approaches to make maps: that would break
the user communities silos and stimulate some lively
exchange on the merits of each platform
(yeah that may degenerate sometimes,
but I believe most of the times it would be healthy
and very interesting for users and developers alike).

How to pull something like this off? Well, it would
be nice if gnome-look (as the site code) was open source,
thought as of now I haven't found any indication of
the code being available. The forum could be the
usual php-bb or something like that.
Maybe the above are not 100% suited to the task
at hand, but it would be an easy start to see if
the idea has merit and can pull togheter a community
of users.
Does anybody have suggestions on existing software
platforms that could be used to put togheter such
a site?

Soo... wondering what other people think about this?
I would be willing to put some of my time on this,
but I'm already quite busy with other stuff
in GeoServer/GeoTools land so I'm wondering if there
is anybody else interested in such a thing?

Cheers
Andrea

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] FOSS4G2008 conference materials

2008-11-02 Thread Andrea Aime

Gavin Fleming ha scritto:

Perfect timing Eduardo

There was a permissions bug on the FOSS4G website hosted by OSGeo that
was fixed only last week. Many presentations have since been uploaded
and we hope to have all of them available soon, along with some of the
materials from workshops and labs.


Hi Gavin,
thanks a lot for the work, I'm definitely looking forward to read about
all the interesting presentations that I've missed (busy schedule,
could not be everywhere ;) ).

I was looking in this page
http://conference.osgeo.org/index.php/foss4g/2008/schedConf/presentations
and I see materials for, say, 3 presentations only?
When you say uploaded I should not read "published", or am I just 
looking in the wrong place?


Cheers
Andrea

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Time window request on OGC protocol?

2008-09-26 Thread Andrea Aime

Domenico Febbo ha scritto:

Hi all,
maybe it is a very newbies' question:

I need to implement a Web Service based on GML that accept a XML request
with two main things consist of:
1) WGS84 coordinates for a geographical area
2) the timeframe (start time and stop time) used to query to the geodatabase
historical data.

It was very usefull (for me) to implement a web service over the WFS
protocol or other OGC standard protol,
but I didin't found a clear solution.


WFS does not have a TIME parameter like WMS has, yet you can just
publish the time attributes as part of your feature type, and
create an OGC filter in your WFS request to filter upon them.
For the details, I suggest you have a look at the WFS 1.0 specification
and at the Filter 1.0 specification (available at the OGC site),
they are a dry read but should allow you to setup the request you're
looking for.

Cheers
Andrea
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Re: Origins Of OpenJUMP

2008-01-05 Thread Andrea Aime

Richard Greenwood ha scritto:

Landon,

Thanks for taking the time to provide the detailed background on on
the Jump family tree. Seems to me like the Java 'tribe' is a bit more
fractured than the C 'tribe'.


I guess it can't be helped... the C tribe has usually one way of doing
things, that is, keep everything very simple and straight. The language
being quite unforgiving, you have no room for fancy implementations.
The same unforgiveness pushes people togheter: writing a working 
implementation (one that does the job without segfaults) it's hard,

so the idea of redoing stuff in a way you like better is probably
considered completely foolish.

Or maybe it's just my narrow view of the subject coming from a Java
programmer that escaped C because it was just too darn hard to
code using C tools ;)

Cheers
Andrea
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Re: [postgis-users] A bit off topic, but FOSS GIS clients...

2008-01-02 Thread Andrea Aime

Paul Ramsey ha scritto:
You are thinking the developers are working for you, the user, but they 
aren't. They are working for themselves and their employers, and they 
have perfectly good reasons to keep working on what they want to work 
on.  You, the freeloading user, are incidental to the process.


I wouldn't be able to say it better. We open source developers do 
develop for the pleasure of developing in the first place. To

"scratch an itch" they say. User come after that.
This is not to say they are irrelevant, on the contrary.
They provide feedback, useful insights, ideas, and not less
important, a good user base is good for your karma
and your pride too.
Despite that, user must first and foremost understand they are not
the driver. Pleasure in development, discovery, exploration,
sharing experiences with other developers and so on, that's
the driver.
Merging with another community? It may work, provided the fun does
not go away. If there is a split chance of turning that into a
boring work, the merger likeliness is absolutely zero.

Cheers
Andrea
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