Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Note the LocationTech badge is not showing correctly

2017-08-19 Thread Markus Neteler 
Dear all,

FWIW:
Helmut it also part of OSGeo's do-ocracy, being this years one of the
main GSoC admins with all the related work, being active project
contributor (see the related project ML) and more. Just FYI...

Kind regards,
Markus
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Note the LocationTech badge is not showing correctly

2017-08-18 Thread Marc Vloemans 
Dear Maria,

I hope you can extend your advice also to Helmut.

Kind regards,
Marc Vloemans


> Op 18 aug. 2017 om 20:26 heeft Maria Antonia Brovelli 
> <maria.brove...@polimi.it> het volgende geschreven:
> 
> Dear Ian
> Please I kindly ask you to moderate your tone.  I know that you have been 
> doing  a lot and all of us we warmly thank you. But please consider that also 
> many other people have been putting a lot of energies in OSGeo. Helmut is one 
> of these people.
> Probably you don't know him but this is just because the community is large 
> and there are people committed on different projects.
> Thanks a lot for helping having a discussion frank and,  at the the time, 
> kind. 
> Cheers
> Maria 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Sent from my Samsung device
> 
> 
>  Original message 
> From: Ian Turton <ijtur...@gmail.com> 
> Date: 18/08/2017 15:46 (GMT-05:00) 
> To: Jeffrey Johnson <ortel...@gmail.com> 
> Cc: OSGeo Discussions <discuss@lists.osgeo.org>, Helmut Kudrnovsky 
> <hel...@web.de> 
> Subject: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Note the LocationTech badge is not showing 
> correctly 
> 
> When we met up in Chicago to set up OSGEO the desire was to be as inclusive 
> as possible. I donate alot of time to OSGEO when I could be doing something 
> fun like coding and I'm getting fed up with charter members popping up on the 
> mailing lists and complaining about stuff that they haven't done anything 
> about. 
> 
> I want people to come to the OSGEO website to find out about any and all open 
> source spatial software, if this worries you then please work to make your 
> software better rather than trying to avoid the competition or go and set up 
> another website that matches your dreams of how the world should be. 
> 
> Ian 
> 
> On 18 Aug 2017 14:47, "Jeffrey Johnson" <ortel...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Just for clarity and background. We announced the project form on discuss and 
> imported the results/submissions of that form. There hasn't been any process 
> other than that up to now. 
> 
> For the record, I'm very much in favor of a "big tent" approach. If a 
> software had an OSI approved license and deals with geospatial data, I 
> believe it should have "some" place on our site. This is the approach that 
> FOSS4G takes and I believe it is very successful for that very reason. 
> 
> I think we can pretty easily establish a set of criteria that can be used to 
> make this determination. Whatever approach we take, we should be very clear 
> what the criteria are.
> 
> Glad to be having this discussion. 
> 
> Jeff
> 
>> On Fri, Aug 18, 2017 at 11:43 Massimiliano Cannata 
>> <massimiliano.cann...@supsi.ch> wrote:
>> And istSOS :-)
>> 
>> Il 18 ago 2017 5:25 PM, "Sandro Santilli" <s...@kbt.io> ha scritto:
>>> On Thu, Aug 17, 2017 at 09:19:52PM +0200, Helmut Kudrnovsky wrote:
>>> 
>>> > Will locationtech also promote OSGeo projects?
>>> 
>>> This is an interesting question, especially as LocationTech is
>>> against GPL-licensed projects (like GRASS, QGIS, PostGIS)
>>> 
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Note the LocationTech badge is not showing correctly

2017-08-18 Thread Maria Antonia Brovelli 
Dear Ian
Please I kindly ask you to moderate your tone.  I know that you have been doing 
 a lot and all of us we warmly thank you. But please consider that also many 
other people have been putting a lot of energies in OSGeo. Helmut is one of 
these people.
Probably you don't know him but this is just because the community is large and 
there are people committed on different projects.
Thanks a lot for helping having a discussion frank and,  at the the time, kind.
Cheers
Maria





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 Original message 
From: Ian Turton <ijtur...@gmail.com>
Date: 18/08/2017 15:46 (GMT-05:00)
To: Jeffrey Johnson <ortel...@gmail.com>
Cc: OSGeo Discussions <discuss@lists.osgeo.org>, Helmut Kudrnovsky 
<hel...@web.de>
Subject: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Note the LocationTech badge is not showing 
correctly

When we met up in Chicago to set up OSGEO the desire was to be as inclusive as 
possible. I donate alot of time to OSGEO when I could be doing something fun 
like coding and I'm getting fed up with charter members popping up on the 
mailing lists and complaining about stuff that they haven't done anything about.

I want people to come to the OSGEO website to find out about any and all open 
source spatial software, if this worries you then please work to make your 
software better rather than trying to avoid the competition or go and set up 
another website that matches your dreams of how the world should be.

Ian

On 18 Aug 2017 14:47, "Jeffrey Johnson" 
<ortel...@gmail.com<mailto:ortel...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Just for clarity and background. We announced the project form on discuss and 
imported the results/submissions of that form. There hasn't been any process 
other than that up to now.

For the record, I'm very much in favor of a "big tent" approach. If a software 
had an OSI approved license and deals with geospatial data, I believe it should 
have "some" place on our site. This is the approach that FOSS4G takes and I 
believe it is very successful for that very reason.

I think we can pretty easily establish a set of criteria that can be used to 
make this determination. Whatever approach we take, we should be very clear 
what the criteria are.

Glad to be having this discussion.

Jeff

On Fri, Aug 18, 2017 at 11:43 Massimiliano Cannata 
<massimiliano.cann...@supsi.ch<mailto:massimiliano.cann...@supsi.ch>> wrote:
And istSOS :-)

Il 18 ago 2017 5:25 PM, "Sandro Santilli" <s...@kbt.io<mailto:s...@kbt.io>> ha 
scritto:
On Thu, Aug 17, 2017 at 09:19:52PM +0200, Helmut Kudrnovsky wrote:

> Will locationtech also promote OSGeo projects?

This is an interesting question, especially as LocationTech is
against GPL-licensed projects (like GRASS, QGIS, PostGIS)

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Note the LocationTech badge is not showing correctly

2017-08-18 Thread Ian Turton 
When we met up in Chicago to set up OSGEO the desire was to be as inclusive
as possible. I donate alot of time to OSGEO when I could be doing something
fun like coding and I'm getting fed up with charter members popping up on
the mailing lists and complaining about stuff that they haven't done
anything about.

I want people to come to the OSGEO website to find out about any and all
open source spatial software, if this worries you then please work to make
your software better rather than trying to avoid the competition or go and
set up another website that matches your dreams of how the world should be.

Ian

On 18 Aug 2017 14:47, "Jeffrey Johnson"  wrote:

Just for clarity and background. We announced the project form on discuss
and imported the results/submissions of that form. There hasn't been any
process other than that up to now.

For the record, I'm very much in favor of a "big tent" approach. If a
software had an OSI approved license and deals with geospatial data, I
believe it should have "some" place on our site. This is the approach that
FOSS4G takes and I believe it is very successful for that very reason.

I think we can pretty easily establish a set of criteria that can be used
to make this determination. Whatever approach we take, we should be very
clear what the criteria are.

Glad to be having this discussion.

Jeff

On Fri, Aug 18, 2017 at 11:43 Massimiliano Cannata <
massimiliano.cann...@supsi.ch> wrote:

> And istSOS :-)
>
> Il 18 ago 2017 5:25 PM, "Sandro Santilli"  ha scritto:
>
>> On Thu, Aug 17, 2017 at 09:19:52PM +0200, Helmut Kudrnovsky wrote:
>>
>> > Will locationtech also promote OSGeo projects?
>>
>> This is an interesting question, especially as LocationTech is
>> against GPL-licensed projects (like GRASS, QGIS, PostGIS)
>>
>> --strk;
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Note the LocationTech badge is not showing correctly

2017-08-18 Thread Jeffrey Johnson 
Just for clarity and background. We announced the project form on discuss
and imported the results/submissions of that form. There hasn't been any
process other than that up to now.

For the record, I'm very much in favor of a "big tent" approach. If a
software had an OSI approved license and deals with geospatial data, I
believe it should have "some" place on our site. This is the approach that
FOSS4G takes and I believe it is very successful for that very reason.

I think we can pretty easily establish a set of criteria that can be used
to make this determination. Whatever approach we take, we should be very
clear what the criteria are.

Glad to be having this discussion.

Jeff

On Fri, Aug 18, 2017 at 11:43 Massimiliano Cannata <
massimiliano.cann...@supsi.ch> wrote:

> And istSOS :-)
>
> Il 18 ago 2017 5:25 PM, "Sandro Santilli"  ha scritto:
>
>> On Thu, Aug 17, 2017 at 09:19:52PM +0200, Helmut Kudrnovsky wrote:
>>
>> > Will locationtech also promote OSGeo projects?
>>
>> This is an interesting question, especially as LocationTech is
>> against GPL-licensed projects (like GRASS, QGIS, PostGIS)
>>
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Note the LocationTech badge is not showing correctly

2017-08-18 Thread Massimiliano Cannata 
And istSOS :-)

Il 18 ago 2017 5:25 PM, "Sandro Santilli"  ha scritto:

> On Thu, Aug 17, 2017 at 09:19:52PM +0200, Helmut Kudrnovsky wrote:
>
> > Will locationtech also promote OSGeo projects?
>
> This is an interesting question, especially as LocationTech is
> against GPL-licensed projects (like GRASS, QGIS, PostGIS)
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Note the LocationTech badge is not showing correctly

2017-08-18 Thread Sandro Santilli 
On Thu, Aug 17, 2017 at 09:19:52PM +0200, Helmut Kudrnovsky wrote:

> Will locationtech also promote OSGeo projects?

This is an interesting question, especially as LocationTech is
against GPL-licensed projects (like GRASS, QGIS, PostGIS)

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Note the LocationTech badge is not showing correctly

2017-08-18 Thread Venkatesh Raghavan 

Hi Helmut and Maxi,

Thanks for expressing your concerns about listing
of projects and badges on the beta website as a
part of the OSGeo "website/rebranding" initiative.

As mentioned by Helena, earlier on this thread, the
listing of projects and display of project badges on the beta website
is an ongoing open discussion which requires valuable
inputs and insights such as those expressed in your
earlier mails.

I must put on record that I was not aware when/where/how
the matter of listing of projects in the beta website was discussed
and decided. Perhaps this was done in some of the committee
meetings that I could not participate. It is impossible for me to
attend various committee meetings due to time constraints.
Now that you have brought up you concerns in the OSGeo-discuss
list, look forward to having a broader discussion and strive to formulate
clear rules and procedures for listing projects on the OSGeo website.

I would also like to express many thanks to all involved in
creating our brand new website. I feel that the next appropriate
steps would be;

a) Migrate relevant and up-to-date contents form our existing website to
our new beta website

b) Discuss about the new stuff that we may wish to add and
formulate clear procedure and rules for doing the same

c) Add new stuff after step b) above

I also like the proposal of "freezing period" that Maxi suggested in a
related thread [1]. I suggest that discuss and decide on this matter after
we recover from the FOSS4G-Boston conference-lag (I am yet to get over my
FOSS4G-Europe conference lag!).

Best

Venka

[1] https://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/discuss/2017-August/035438.html


On 2017/08/18 6:23, Massimiliano Cannata wrote:

Someone would answer that is a do-ocracy :-)

Apart from this, I also share the same concerns of Helmut and would like to
have a clear rule/strategy on this...

Best
Maxi

Il 17 ago 2017 9:19 PM, "Helmut Kudrnovsky"  ha scritto:


(Taken from https://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/discuss/2017-August/
035453.html)

"Note the LocationTech badge is not not showing correctly"

now I am, as an OSGeo charter member, really really confused about this.

What I'm really missing here is an open discussion and decision making how
we, as an organisation OSGeo, going forward to promote projects from other
organisations.

What is the added value for OSGeo to promote locationtech projects? Will
locationtech also promote OSGeo projects? Why not promote projects from any
other org? Who will decide which project or other org will be promoted?

Too many open questions without any sound background for me as an OSGeo
charter member.

Kind regards
Helmut
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Note the LocationTech badge is not showing correctly

2017-08-17 Thread Massimiliano Cannata 
Someone would answer that is a do-ocracy :-)

Apart from this, I also share the same concerns of Helmut and would like to
have a clear rule/strategy on this...

Best
Maxi

Il 17 ago 2017 9:19 PM, "Helmut Kudrnovsky"  ha scritto:

> (Taken from https://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/discuss/2017-August/
> 035453.html)
>
> "Note the LocationTech badge is not not showing correctly"
>
> now I am, as an OSGeo charter member, really really confused about this.
>
> What I'm really missing here is an open discussion and decision making how
> we, as an organisation OSGeo, going forward to promote projects from other
> organisations.
>
> What is the added value for OSGeo to promote locationtech projects? Will
> locationtech also promote OSGeo projects? Why not promote projects from any
> other org? Who will decide which project or other org will be promoted?
>
> Too many open questions without any sound background for me as an OSGeo
> charter member.
>
> Kind regards
> Helmut
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Note the LocationTech badge is not showing correctly

2017-08-17 Thread Helena Mitasova 
Helmut

- this is the open discussion that we are having, so please keep letting us
know your concerns - they are not ignored and you are not alone. We need
the input from the community to make the decisions on what is presented at
the OSGeo web site and how.

Thanks a lot for your reviews and comments, rest assured they will be taken
into account,

Helena

On Thu, Aug 17, 2017 at 3:19 PM, Helmut Kudrnovsky  wrote:

> (Taken from https://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/discuss/2017-August/
> 035453.html)
>
> "Note the LocationTech badge is not not showing correctly"
>
> now I am, as an OSGeo charter member, really really confused about this.
>
> What I'm really missing here is an open discussion and decision making how
> we, as an organisation OSGeo, going forward to promote projects from other
> organisations.
>
> What is the added value for OSGeo to promote locationtech projects? Will
> locationtech also promote OSGeo projects? Why not promote projects from any
> other org? Who will decide which project or other org will be promoted?
>
> Too many open questions without any sound background for me as an OSGeo
> charter member.
>
> Kind regards
> Helmut
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[OSGeo-Discuss] Note the LocationTech badge is not showing correctly

2017-08-17 Thread Helmut Kudrnovsky 
(Taken from https://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/discuss/2017-August/035453.html)

"Note the LocationTech badge is not not showing correctly"

now I am, as an OSGeo charter member, really really confused about this. 

What I'm really missing here is an open discussion and decision making how we, 
as an organisation OSGeo, going forward to promote projects from other 
organisations. 

What is the added value for OSGeo to promote locationtech projects? Will 
locationtech also promote OSGeo projects? Why not promote projects from any 
other org? Who will decide which project or other org will be promoted? 

Too many open questions without any sound background for me as an OSGeo charter 
member. 

Kind regards 
Helmut
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