hmmm, so its NOT what i say, its HOW i say it, and I'M the one spewing
self important drivel into the thread?
hahahah, ANYWAY...
as i FULLY EXPECTED, the problem did come back, and low and behold, the
new solution fixed it. (guess i was right, huh?)
it wasn't my router, my wireless, my cat5,
more self-important drivel snipped
sigh
It's not what you say, it's how you say it.
You just don't get it, do you?
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Direct streaming: after 10-15 secs the SB starts playing and within 10
seconds it starts rebuffering
Proxied: within 2 seconds the SB starts playing, the buffers rise to
1.0 / 10.0 seconds within aprox 5 seconds after it starts playing
funny...
i was having the problem again until the new nightly w/this feature
was released. since i got it, the problem has submerged again...
but i fully expect it back come monday, as i think it is related to
number of users on the comcast ISP.
in any case, thx Andy for doing it, (altho i
why isn't the SB as robust a method?
Why can't you just shut up for a while? Say thanks and take a break.
Please.
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MrSinatra;175091 Wrote:
why isn't the SB-direct as robust a method?
Don't know, we need to look into it.
also, will there be (or is it even possible) to duplicate this feature
on SN?
No, SN is direct only.
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Michael Herger;175093 Wrote:
why isn't the SB as robust a method?
Why can't you just shut up for a while? Say thanks and take a break.
Please.
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andyg;175094 Wrote:
Don't know, we need to look into it.
No, SN is direct only.
thx again Andy.
i am interested to know why, would love to hear when you find out,
please let us know.
also, has SN always been direct only, or did it ever use to proxy?
the rub of course is that if SN can't
MrSinatra wrote:
Michael Herger;175093 Wrote:
why isn't the SB as robust a method?
Why can't you just shut up for a while? Say thanks and take a break.
Please.
you got some issues pallie, why don't you go kick your dog again?
I'm with Michael.
I, like many, are sick or your
look, YOU are the one posting with NO POINT in your post, other than to
attack me.
and my friend, YOU suffer from a misunderstanding on YOUR part.
to the people who have followed this or have this problem, they
understood what i wrote, it wasn't cryptic.
the problem is: a stuttering stream.
andyg;174518 Wrote:
Here's what I'm going to do: I will add a pref to 6.5.2 that allows you
to disable direct-streaming mode for mp3 streams. This will revert to
the pre-6.5 way of streaming that you all report works just fine. I
should have this in today so you can try tonight's nightly
jamullian
did you do the setting for your sb to always use ss as proxy?
it seems to work for me.. had a few buffer underruns on bassdrive, but
i think that's a bassedrive issue, as i didn't have it with groove
salad (listened to it for approx 3h) and pausenraum (the one i posted,
for about 1h)
chefgrill;174818 Wrote:
jamullian
did you do the setting for your sb to always use ss as proxy?
Yes I did. And see the update to my last post: after another restart of
SS. I appear to have a stable and rebufferable stream for now.
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Hi! I'm a brand new SB3-user (just gotten mine last monday). One of the
more important reasons for me to buy the SB3 was to listen to premium
DI.fm channels where I have a subscription - you guess what, I have the
same issues as described here. I am a software developer, but I have
never touched
Please try 6.5.2 and enable Proxied Streaming mode, and see if it
improves.
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andyg;174899 Wrote:
Please try 6.5.2 and enable Proxied Streaming mode, and see if it
improves.
Will do so, I'm installing the testing atm, looking at the package file
it should be 6.5.2. I'll try it tomorrow when I get home.
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Here's what I'm going to do: I will add a pref to 6.5.2 that allows you
to disable direct-streaming mode for mp3 streams. This will revert to
the pre-6.5 way of streaming that you all report works just fine. I
should have this in today so you can try tonight's nightly and see if
things improve.
thanks a lot andy
if you want i'll test what happens if i cold start the SB, and what
happens if i start another stream.
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OK guys, the feature has been added. Please let me know what you think.
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andyg;173685 Wrote:
Since you said it works for you on SqueezeNetwork, it's probably just a
file type problem in SlimServer. Make sure you have Windows Media -
Windows Media (built-in) checked under Server Settings - File Types.
Don't check any other Windows Media boxes.
No, that's the
I have, i think the same Problem...
If I'm listening to a stream (doesn't have to be anytime or any stream)
it somehow brakes. It's difficult to explain, it's like everything is
rumbled. After a few seconds SB is rebuffering, an it all starts
again.
foobar plays the streams with no problem.
the problem seems to be gone for the moment, so i cannot proof my idea
at the moment :-(
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imo, i think the reality is as you said, but for whatever reason, SD
does not want to admit or even for a moment consider, that what we are
saying is true.
i for one, will not purchase a second SB to prove it, but i am fairly
confident you have just done so. great experiment.
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Had it once again, problem exists, even if i restart the stream it'll
happen again... turned on my other sb, problem gone.
I have cable internet, as it is 11pm in Switzerland now, it seems like
there's not much load on the network.. maybe this has an impact.
@andyg
please tell me if you have
I'd be more interested in what the buffer fullness display shows as
you're listening to the stream, and what happens if you manually pause
the stream for, say, 30 seconds, to let it rebuffer. Is the station
WMA or MP3?
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I've had much the same problem over the past few months since version
6.5. I mostly listen to CBC Radio 2 in the morning. I've chased the
stream around in various forms including the http: link from CBC
Radio's links page and the mms:// link. Sometimes it works and
sometimes it doesn't. I had
Since you said it works for you on SqueezeNetwork, it's probably just a
file type problem in SlimServer. Make sure you have Windows Media -
Windows Media (built-in) checked under Server Settings - File Types.
Don't check any other Windows Media boxes.
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i was thinking along those lines for him too andy, i'll be curious to
see his reply...
however, assuming that ISN'T it, i would ask how long did you try the
SN?
my results were that sometimes SN would last a bit longer than the
local SS/SB setup. sometimes worse. very random.
also, have you
I used to have a similar problem,
Some shoutcast streams would work and some wouldn't
Some shoutcast streams would work and then low and behold it would stop
working.
what I noticed was that my network was dropping packets between my pc
and sb 2.
Btw, it's a wireless connection from pc to sb2
my MTU is 1492, whats yours?
(btw, some people in here are wired with the problem, fyi)
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I have heard nothing.
Incidentally, I'm also able to stream reliably using the Hex Radio app
on a Roku HD1000. It's a somewhat sparse interface, but works just
fine. Not unsurprisingly, Slim Roku, another app for the HD1000 but
which uses SlimServer as its head end, suffers from exactly the same
can u desribe your setup a bit please?
i know your SB is wired, but how exactly does your net work?
you get DL's off of a sat dish? what speeds do you get on DL?
and how do you upload, or send info back? via normal phone dial up?
sat? dsl?
also, who is your isp? and this is located
jamullian, any updates?
andyg;168442 Wrote:
Ah yes, satellite, this could certainly be the problem. Simulating a
poor network through a Linux virtual machine is actually something I've
done once before so that's a good idea. It will be quite interesting if
Winamp can survive such an
MrSinatra wrote:
andyg;168410 Wrote:
The only things I can think of that would cause the drop-off of audio
bandwidth are wireless problems, internet problems, problems with the
broadcaster, or an ISP that throttles the traffic. I think there is at
least one ISP (in the UK) that does this
Just my 2p worth.
andy's thought's that wireless might be the culprit is based on the
info you yourselves have given him.
i.e. In 6.2, the stream went to your slimserver and then on to the SB.
This, you say worked fine. Maybe there was some bit-rate limiting
happening here or, prior to WMA
I've read through this thread, and I've not seen this suggested
anywhere, so here's a thought...
Winamp is a software application that decodes a shoutcase stream, and
gives it to Windows to play. SlimServer has to direct the SB to
connect to the URL and play that, and it decodes in hardware (or
chris.mason;168550 Wrote:
How about using SoftSqueeze to listen to the shoutcase stream on the
same PC as winamp? Two software applications, decoding and handing the
sound off to Windows? If that works fine, it would perhaps indicate
that either this is a network issue between the SB
jamullian;168552 Wrote:
In my case, attempting to play on SoftSqueeze is no more successful than
with the SB3.
That is very interesting...it suggests to me that the problem is
definately NOT the network connection between your PC and SB or router
and SB.
Which version of SoftSqueeze did you
chris.mason;168555 Wrote:
This would suggest to me that the issue relates to the way the stream is
handled.
My point exactly.
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jamullian;168558 Wrote:
My point exactly.
Indeed. Could it be a buffer issue? Does winamp handle buffering
differently, use a bigger buffer? Is it at all relevant that Winamp
and Shoutcast and made by/run by the same company, Nullsoft?
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Jack Coates;168445 Wrote:
It's almost as if some streams come from farther across the Internet
than others, and have more network hops... nah, that's crazy talk.
Never mind.
i live 40minutes from the source of the stream. yet other streams (and
Robin Bowes;168528 Wrote:
I don't normally use Internet radio, but I thought I'd try it to see
if
it worked for me.
Shoutcast worked fine. I couldn't work out how to use the
shoutcast.com
URL [1] but using the IP address directly [2] worked fine. Also, many
other shoutcase stations
oreillymj;168539 Wrote:
Just my 2p worth.
andy's thought's that wireless might be the culprit is based on the
info you yourselves have given him.
if you look in this thread, you'll see andy say that in my case, it
doesn't seem to be my wireless.
and the OP isn't wireless.
Just a further bit of info.
From my Winamp.ini file
[Nullsoft MPEG Decoder]
miscopts=0
allow_sctitles=1
sctitle_format=1
http_buffersize=512
http_prebuffer=84
http_prebuffer_underrun=72
priority=2
8bit=0
downmix=0
downsample=0
max_bufsize_k=128
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chris.mason;168555 Wrote:
That is very interesting...it suggests to me that the problem is
definately NOT the network connection between your PC and SB or router
and SB.
Which version of SoftSqueeze did you use? I believe softsqueeze works
the same way as the SB does. This would suggest
Jack Coates;168576 Wrote:
They have these things called diagnostic tools you know. traceroute,
ping, and ethereal are almost everywhere, iptraf or bing would be
great if you're on *nix. Your hesitance to use them and post results
instead of SHOUTING a lot leads to my unwillingness to accept
MrSinatra;168622 Wrote:
the OP isn't wireless to begin with, but this still only strengthens his
point.
however, i have read that softsqueeze is NOT a perfect emulation of a
SB, in that some things are not the same and are not emulated.
therefore while it certainly strengthens the
don't get me wrong, its an EXCELLENT suggestion, one i'm glad you made,
and i agree, the results are very interesting.
its just been my exp that some certain people on here, (pom poms), will
point to ANY crack, regardless how negligible, to point away from the
precious SB.
whats so great about
i would guess you've read my posts and threads on this subject.
here are my conclusions:
IF someone can stream a station via winamp with no problems, then their
connection is GOOD ENOUGH TO DO SO! (sounds obvious, but sometimes
around here it needs stressed).
if winamp, (or whatever), has
Yes, I have seen your posts MrSinatra.
And I have tried going back - I think as far as far as 6.3, but I have
spent so much time messing with this that memory no longer serves, but
at least to versions that appeared to work in the past and do not now.
Whether SD must make their products,
so i take it when u went back it didn't fix it?
well, you might then want to try 6.2.x which i am POSITIVE did not have
problems tuning in streams, and which i am also positive did not send
the stream directly to the SB, (meaning thats what i've been
told/read).
i know it is a huge pita to
one other quick point...
the SB couldn't even handle a 32kbps stream, while winamp and even
multiple computers on my network could all play the 128kbps stream (via
winamp or wmp or whatever) simultaneously, np.
if SD can't handle a single 128, 96 or even 32kbps stream that other
solutions do
I think we've already been over this... the streams you claim don't
work, do in fact work fine for me and others. I have yet to find a
stream that works in Winamp and does not work on an SB, so I really
can't do any sort of debugging or anything.
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But if the broadband was the culprit, Winamp would not be able to keep
the stream playing either.
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I think we've already been over this... the streams you claim don't
work, do in fact work fine for me and others. I have yet to find a
stream that works in Winamp and does not work on an SB, so I really
can't do any sort of debugging or anything.
While you are lucky to
andyg;168378 Wrote:
But if the broadband was the culprit, Winamp would not be able to keep
the stream playing either.
Then, in the (paraphrased) words of Sherlock Holmes, the only possible
cause is the one remaining culprit, however improbable.
I am not a software author. I am however a
BTW, please don't just say something 'doesn't work' on the SB. Please
report what happens to the buffer level, and read/understand this FAQ
item:
http://faq.slimdevices.com/index.php?action=artikelcat=4id=236artlang=en
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Could be other things such as a wireless SB vs. a wired computer.
Anyway, until we can find a reproducible case where something works in
Winamp and fails in SB for everyone regardless of their internet or
network setup, we can't really make any progress on this issue.
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andyg;168391 Wrote:
BTW, please don't just say something 'doesn't work' on the SB. Please
report what happens to the buffer level, and read/understand this FAQ
item:
http://faq.slimdevices.com/index.php?action=artikelcat=4id=236artlang=en
I have read the FAQ thoroughly and have described
There are a number of ways in which the issue can arise - most often
the stream never starts (with an Error no items found in playlist
showing on the SB3) or at best it plays for a few seconds or minutes,
runs out of buffer and does not rebuffer.
There are 2 completely different issues
andyg;168400 Wrote:
There are 2 completely different issues here. The error about no
playlist items is related to a Shoutcast issue where their server gets
overloaded and can't return you a playlist. We don't need to talk
about this issue here. To avoid this problem you should find the
andyg;168370 Wrote:
I think we've already been over this... the streams you claim don't
work, do in fact work fine for me and others. I have yet to find a
stream that works in Winamp and does not work on an SB, so I really
can't do any sort of debugging or anything.
Andy,
i realize that
andyg;168390 Wrote:
Could be other things such as a wireless SB vs. a wired computer.
Anyway, until we can find a reproducible case where something works in
Winamp and fails in SB for everyone regardless of their internet or
network setup, we can't really make any progress on this issue.
jamullian;168402 Wrote:
OK, let's not talk about the fact that Winamp simply tries the next
stream in the list and the next until it finds one it can connect to.
Time elapsed till connect and playing can be as long as 60 seconds, but
once it plays it never drops. I'm currently playing
andyg;168410 Wrote:
The only things I can think of that would cause the drop-off of audio
bandwidth are wireless problems, internet problems, problems with the
broadcaster, or an ISP that throttles the traffic. I think there is at
least one ISP (in the UK) that does this for certain ports
Yeah, your wireless seems fine. You said your SB has been working fine
for a few weeks, so that's even stranger. I'm really at a loss for
ideas at this point.
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andyg;168410 Wrote:
This station tuned in right away for me, maybe 1 or 2 seconds. To avoid
the Shoutcast problems, enter that 205 URL directly in 'Tune In' or you
could use a SqueezeNetwork favorite.
Entering that 205 URL directly still gets me the no items found in
playlist msg
andyg;168418 Wrote:
Yeah, your wireless seems fine. You said your SB has been working fine
for a few weeks, so that's even stranger. I'm really at a loss for
ideas at this point.
it could be, (and i hope), that it was all a result of adelphia
clumsily switching over to comcast. thats my
MrSinatra;168431 Wrote:
i would create a test environment that simulated a flaky isp, and see
how well SD handled it. does the SD solution fail far easier then
winamp in the environment? try different collisions and other tcp
stuff, and combos of them.
i realize how difficult it is for
my wireless is at 100%, it sits 2.5 feet from my router, i have no
neighbors nearby and likely few if any of them have broadband, and i
play local music flawlessly.
and the OP stated quite clearly earlier in the thread that his setup is
totally wired.
why do u insist its probably the wireless
MrSinatra;168436 Wrote:
my wireless is at 100%, it sits 2.5 feet from my router, i have no
neighbors nearby and likely few if any of them have broadband, and i
play local music flawlessly.
and the OP stated quite clearly earlier in the thread that his setup is
totally wired.
why do u
if i'm defensive, its b/c i KNOW its not the wireless. this isn't the
first thread this has been gone over in, don't assume i haven't
tackled all the possibilities it was in my power to do so. probably
half my posts are on this topic.
fyi, it was only SOME streams that had the problem, not all
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if i'm defensive, its b/c i KNOW its not the wireless. this isn't the
first thread this has been gone over in, don't assume i haven't
tackled all the possibilities it was in my power to do so. probably
half my posts are on this topic.
fyi, it was
Ah yes, satellite, this could certainly be the problem. Simulating a
poor network through a Linux virtual machine is actually something I've
done once before so that's a good idea. It will be quite interesting if
Winamp can survive such an articifically poor network. I will give it a
try later
thx andy!
(and i'll forgo the sarcasm about how long its taken to get to this
point...) ;)
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Jack Coates;168445 Wrote:
It's almost as if some streams come from farther across the Internet
than others, and have more network hops... nah, that's crazy talk.
Never mind.
i live 40minutes from the source of the stream. yet other streams (and
all other streams are farther away from me
Hi,
Your problems with mp3 radio streams may well be caused by your
connection; even with DSL connections some ISP's use technology that is
incompatible with the Squeezebox. When I first received my S/B twelve
months ago I could happily play shoutcast streams all day long on 1meg
DSL connection
Dougal
Glad to see someone else has documented a similar issue.
And yes, I have tried unchecking mp3 in file types; all it achieved was
the inability to play files stored locally, it did nothing to improve
streaming.
I would not be in the least surprised if the complex system of proxies
and
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