Re: [slim] Why the focus on specialized NAS devices?

2007-08-12 Thread erland
jaysung;220222 Wrote: Why using a nas device? Well.: - the are scalable in terms of expanding storage needs - they feature easy to setup redundant disk arrays and thus data securityAgreed, if the most important thing is to get a scalable redundant solution for serving files, a NAS isn't

Re: [slim] Why the focus on specialized NAS devices?

2007-08-12 Thread egd
erland;220332 Wrote: As I have said earlier in another thread, my feel is that the optimal solution for SlimServer would be if someone sold a small pretty silent computer with pre-installed, pre-configured SlimServer. It could be something like a Mac Mini or a VIA EPIA based solution. Some

Re: [slim] Why the focus on specialized NAS devices?

2007-08-12 Thread jdh500
Agree, Purchased a cheap notebook computer for the task, I am thinking of atleast storing or my music + other stuff on a compact dedicated NAS box running 24/7. JDH. danm;219421 Wrote: Just curious. I took a spare, four year old Shuttle computer laying around. 1.6GHz processor, 2 gigs ram,

Re: [slim] Why the focus on specialized NAS devices?

2007-08-11 Thread jaysung
Why using a nas device? Well.: - the are scalable in terms of expanding storage needs - they are more stable than a full grown pc especially with windows on them - the have a simple web interface - they are based on open source software as slimserver itself and thus I can do more things with them

Re: [slim] Why the focus on specialized NAS devices?

2007-08-11 Thread badbob
I have a dual bay NAS, haven't installed Slimserver onto it (possible but could brick it) mainly used for data storage and videos. I can see why people wouldn't need a NAS, but for my needs, ease of use, quick startup, stable etc ideal as LAN mass storage. -- badbob

Re: [slim] Why the focus on specialized NAS devices?

2007-08-11 Thread Mark Lanctot
jaysung;220222 Wrote: - they are based on open source software as slimserver itself and thus I can do more things with them asterisk might be worth considering Really? Most of them are more closed than your average PC - you can't install anything on it and the manufacturer makes it very hard

Re: [slim] Why the focus on specialized NAS devices?

2007-08-11 Thread y360
You all seem to forget the most power efficient method of them all: Rhapsody, Pandora and Internet Radio via squeezenetwork The only use I see for slimserver is for upgrading the firmware every now and then -- y360

Re: [slim] Why the focus on specialized NAS devices?

2007-08-11 Thread Pellicle
You all seem to forget the most power efficient method of them all: Rhapsody, Pandora and Internet Radio via squeezenetwork The only use I see for slimserver is for upgrading the firmware every now and then Well many of us enjoy non compressed music which we own. I agree using steaming media

Re: [slim] Why the focus on specialized NAS devices?

2007-08-07 Thread mflint
danm;219421 Wrote: Just curious. I took a spare, four year old Shuttle computer laying around. 1.6GHz processor, 2 gigs ram, with two 160GB disks. It's low power, quiet, powerful, cheap, upgradable, and easy. Cheap, upgradeable and easy - yes. Low power and quiet? Well that depends what

Re: [slim] Why the focus on specialized NAS devices?

2007-08-07 Thread danm
I suppose. Sure the NSLU2 is a few dB quieter, but this sits in a corner so no big. Power wise it's surely a wash, this is off most of the time as we only get to listen to music in the evenings. A few dB and a few cents difference ... :) -- danm

Re: [slim] Why the focus on specialized NAS devices?

2007-08-07 Thread Mark Lanctot
Well, I'm glad someone said it. A NAS is -not- a PC. It is a specialized, single-purpose, stripped-down device. The manufacturers do not want end users installing software on it and will put significant barriers to stop this. The devices are usually supplied with the barest minimum of

Re: [slim] Why the focus on specialized NAS devices?

2007-08-07 Thread shermoid
there are other reasons people want to put slimserver on NAS devices. i have had a readynas 600 running slimserver for over 2 years now. despite some troubles i had upgrading to SS 6.5.1 (needed to write a perl script to rearrange many thousands of tracks into the way the software wanted them),

Re: [slim] Why the focus on specialized NAS devices?

2007-08-07 Thread bonze
Well in my case: - I didn't have a spare computer lying around, I have bits, but not a whole PC. - if I had, I wouldn't know how to install and setup Linux - I wouldn't know how to set it up as a standalone server. - I don't have the space in my office, the NAS sits on a shelf in the corner, next

Re: [slim] Why the focus on specialized NAS devices?

2007-08-07 Thread Bill Burns
Mark Lanctot wrote: An argument that frequently comes up is I don't want my computer on 24/7, it wastes power. People see the power supplies in PCs, 500W + these days, and assume the PC uses 100% of this power 24/7. This is not the case. I just plugged my server (music and mail) into a

Re: [slim] Why the focus on specialized NAS devices?

2007-08-07 Thread erland
Mark Lanctot;219487 Wrote: An argument that frequently comes up is I don't want my computer on 24/7, it wastes power. People see the power supplies in PCs, 500W + these days, and assume the PC uses 100% of this power 24/7. This is not the case. Sure, there have been some power-hungry

Re: [slim] Why the focus on specialized NAS devices?

2007-08-07 Thread mick_w
My little Mini-ITX server uses between 30 and 35W, really is quiet (only a laptop drive spinning when it's not serving music) and has more than enough power to run SlimServer (unlike my old LinkStation NAS). (See link in below for spec.) Mick -- mick_w

Re: [slim] Why the focus on specialized NAS devices?

2007-08-07 Thread Mark Lanctot
I can now monitor power usage through my new UPS. It's 1200 VA which should equal 1200 W through the definition of volt-amperes, but I think there's some efficiency loss. Anyway my Core 2 Duo E6600 with 2 GB of RAM (a monster of a SlimServer to be sure, but also my general-purpose desktop) is

Re: [slim] Why the focus on specialized NAS devices?

2007-08-07 Thread TiredLegs
The specifications on my Buffalo LinkStation NAS say it consumers a MAXIMUM of 17 watts. I have it configured to spin down its drive after an hour of inactivity, so perhaps it's using 10 watts or less most of the time. The thing is tiny, no bigger than most external disk drives. It's incredibly

Re: [slim] Why the focus on specialized NAS devices?

2007-08-07 Thread cliveb
mick_w;219505 Wrote: My little Mini-ITX server uses between 30 and 35W... I think what people need to appreciate is that on any low-power system like mini-ITX, Mac Mini, NAS, etc, the majority of the power consumption is due to the hard disk(s), and that's going to be the same regardless of the

Re: [slim] Why the focus on specialized NAS devices?

2007-08-07 Thread Bill Burns
mick_w wrote: My little Mini-ITX server uses between 30 and 35W, really is quiet (only a laptop drive spinning when it's not serving music) and has more than enough power to run SlimServer (unlike my old LinkStation NAS). (See link in below for spec.)

Re: [slim] Why the focus on specialized NAS devices?

2007-08-07 Thread shermoid
erland;219502 Wrote: Wouldn't a computer like the Mac Mini or similar be able to do all this as easy ? not really - i'd need, oh, 400-500GB of storage to hold all the music. so, that would entail a NAS or external device to the mac mini anyway. might as well not lug two boxes, but just one.

Re: [slim] Why the focus on specialized NAS devices?

2007-08-07 Thread ezkcdude
As long as one can fit his/her entire music directory on one hard drive, then coming up with solutions is easy. It's when your directory has to span multiple (physical) volumes, that you begin looking into RAID. At that point, many people will sooner shell out cash for a proven solution, rather

Re: [slim] Why the focus on specialized NAS devices?

2007-08-07 Thread mrfantasy
The Kuro Box HG has a 25 watt power supply, so that's all it can ever use. If the hard drive spins down it's probably less than 10. My Thecus N2100 has a 60 watt power supply. It has two hard drives and a beefier processor (although with the Debian install performance, especially floating

[slim] Why the focus on specialized NAS devices?

2007-08-06 Thread danm
Just curious. I took a spare, four year old Shuttle computer laying around. 1.6GHz processor, 2 gigs ram, with two 160GB disks. Nothing special, but this is the old Zen line which is very quiet (external brick power supply). Anyhow it's got windows on it, I installed SS and my music and it's

Re: [slim] Why the focus on specialized NAS devices?

2007-08-06 Thread haunyack
danm;219421 Wrote: Just curious. I took a spare, four year old Shuttle computer laying around. 1.6GHz processor, 2 gigs ram, with two 160GB disks. Nothing special, but this is the old Zen line which is very quiet (external brick power supply). Anyhow it's got windows on it, I installed

Re: [slim] Why the focus on specialized NAS devices?

2007-08-06 Thread danm
That's it - in the end it costs about the same to do a box (any toaster computer), and it's far easier = lazy. So why bother getting the specialized stuff? Maybe it's been a walk in the park, but I see lots of postings trying to get SS to work on these things. Hint - I think the answer is

Re: [slim] Why the focus on specialized NAS devices?

2007-08-06 Thread haunyack
danm;219423 Wrote: That's it - in the end it costs about the same to do a box (any toaster computer), and it's far easier = lazy. So why bother getting the specialized stuff? Maybe it's been a walk in the park, but I see lots of postings trying to get SS to work on these things. Hint