Re: [slim] Wiki entry on "various artists" or Compilations

2008-12-09 Thread Phil Meyer
>> but *also* get a "Various Artists" item at the proper alphabetical place >> under "V". > >if you set TPE1 = Various Artists for ALL tracks, this is what i would >expect, b/c SC would think the band is named "Various Artists." I assume you meant "artist is named ...", not "band". If you have ART

Re: [slim] Wiki entry on "various artists" or Compilations

2008-12-07 Thread MrSinatra
wnshall;367677 Wrote: > Well that's interesting, because that's not what I'm seeing. I get a > "special" "Various Artists" at the top of each page, i'm guessing, so if i'm wrong tell me, but... i would guess stuff in there is for your files that have TPE1 mismatches, or artist mismatches if th

Re: [slim] Wiki entry on "various artists" or Compilations

2008-12-07 Thread wnshall
Philip Meyer;366928 Wrote: > > Ah, I think I was mistaken. I went to Browse Artists > V section, and > Various Artists was listed for me at the top. However, the "Various > Artists" entry is the special one that appears at the top of any Browse > Artists page. i.e. I don't have two "Various A

Re: [slim] Wiki entry on "various artists" or Compilations

2008-12-07 Thread MrSinatra
Philip Meyer;366928 Wrote: > >But they are not identical. The "Various Artists" that appears under > >"V" only contains compilations that *also* have artist="Various > >Artists". In my test case several compilation albums (eg with > >different track artists) did appear under the first VA item b

Re: [slim] Wiki entry on "various artists" or Compilations

2008-12-07 Thread MrSinatra
Philip Meyer;367129 Wrote: > I started to look through that list of bug reports; many are already > fixed, some have nothing to do with compilations. Some are > controversial. I added comments on a couple of them. > > In reality, there don't appear to be many bugs open about real > confirmed i

Re: [slim] Wiki entry on "various artists" or Compilations

2008-12-06 Thread Phil Meyer
I started to look through that list of bug reports; many are already fixed, some have nothing to do with compilations. Some are controversial. I added comments on a couple of them. In reality, there don't appear to be many bugs open about real confirmed issues with compilation tags. _

Re: [slim] Wiki entry on "various artists" or Compilations

2008-12-06 Thread Phil Meyer
>The downside is that ALBUMARTISTSORT is currently unsupported, so >unless you have another track in your collection with both ARTIST and >ARTISTSORT (but NOT ALBUMARTIST) defined for the particular artist, it >will sort wrong. Argh. > Yes, that is a little annoying. Same goes for Composer, Condu

Re: [slim] Wiki entry on "various artists" or Compilations

2008-12-06 Thread Phil Meyer
>Yes, I think you are right there. Interestingly enough, right now >there's a thread going on where people consider a bug the fact that >when artist has artist role in one album and composer role in other, >then both albums are visible from that artist regardless of 'include >composers in artists'

Re: [slim] Wiki entry on "various artists" or Compilations

2008-12-05 Thread slimkid
Philip Meyer;366962 Wrote: > > > ... > Essentially, when clicking on an artist link, I'd expect to always see > all albums by that aritst, not just the albums where the artist appears > with the contributing role selected. > ... > Yes, I think you are right there. Interestingly enough, right

Re: [slim] Wiki entry on "various artists" or Compilations

2008-12-05 Thread CatBus
Philip Meyer;366946 Wrote: > Perhaps an alternative solution to your situation would be to add Diana > Krall as an additional album artist for that one track No, you'd need to make Diana Krall the album artist for all tracks on the album. I run into this problem all the time in my collection an

Re: [slim] Wiki entry on "various artists" or Compilations

2008-12-05 Thread Phil Meyer
>Actually, there is even inconsistency in this behavior (if COMPILATION >is not set). Track artist can't see artist. Artist can see track artist >but only on the first level of browsing. If you keep drilling down or >follow the artist link further from the first level, then track >artist's albums a

Re: [slim] Wiki entry on "various artists" or Compilations

2008-12-05 Thread slimkid
Philip Meyer;366946 Wrote: > ... > Messing about with the content of the DB manually isn't a great idea! > Perhaps an alternative solution to your situation would be to add Diana > Krall as an additional album artist for that one track (I haven't tried > this, but I think in theory this would ma

Re: [slim] Wiki entry on "various artists" or Compilations

2008-12-05 Thread Phil Meyer
>The problem is that using ALBUMARTIST tag sort of puts track artist in >the back row. Manipulating COMPILATION tags on particular tracks >resolves it. It has nothing to do with the concept of compilation album >or any other concept. It just works and, if I'm not mistaken, that is >what the OP want

Re: [slim] Wiki entry on "various artists" or Compilations

2008-12-05 Thread Phil Meyer
>But they are not identical. The "Various Artists" that appears under >"V" only contains compilations that *also* have artist="Various >Artists". In my test case several compilation albums (eg with >different track artists) did appear under the first VA item but did not >appear under the VA item

Re: [slim] Wiki entry on "various artists" or Compilations

2008-12-05 Thread slimkid
Philip Meyer;366894 Wrote: > There is only a concept of a compilation album, not compilation tracks. > > It's the combination of songs on an album that defines if an album is a > compilation or not. > > Tags are always entered against songs (obviously!). Any compilation > tags on songs refer t

Re: [slim] Wiki entry on "various artists" or Compilations

2008-12-05 Thread wnshall
Philip Meyer;366905 Wrote: > >Essentially, the "Various Artists" item under v in the artist list is > >acting as a subset of the albums appearing in the "Various Artists" > >item at the top of the artist list. Does this seem like the right > >behavior? > > Yes, it sounds correct to me. > > The

Re: [slim] Wiki entry on "various artists" or Compilations

2008-12-05 Thread Phil Meyer
>Essentially, the "Various Artists" item under v in the artist list is >acting as a subset of the albums appearing in the "Various Artists" >item at the top of the artist list. Does this seem like the right >behavior? Yes, it sounds correct to me. The "Various Artists" special SC artist appears

Re: [slim] Wiki entry on "various artists" or Compilations

2008-12-05 Thread Phil Meyer
There is only a concept of a compilation album, not compilation tracks. It's the combination of songs on an album that defines if an album is a compilation or not. Tags are always entered against songs (obviously!). Any compilation tags on songs refer to the album, not the song, and similarly

Re: [slim] Wiki entry on "various artists" or Compilations

2008-12-05 Thread MrSinatra
i submitted a bug for that. http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=9523 some other important bugs around these issues: http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=9938 http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=9872 http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=9870 http://bugs.slimdevic

Re: [slim] Wiki entry on "various artists" or Compilations

2008-12-05 Thread wnshall
While investigating SC's handling of compilations I found the following quirky behavior. I have an album where every track has ARTIST="Various Artists" and COMPILATION is not set. I set "group compilations" on the settings page. When I browse to Genre> or Artists> I see "Various Artists" at the

Re: [slim] Wiki entry on "various artists" or Compilations

2008-12-05 Thread slimkid
wnshall;366509 Wrote: > > Q: does the presence of a second trackartist on a single track cause an > album to be identified as a compilation? For example, suppose on Album > YYY, track one has track artist=AAA and track two has track artist = > AAA; BBB (or track artist = AAA and track artist = B

Re: [slim] Wiki entry on "various artists" or Compilations

2008-12-04 Thread MrSinatra
be sure to post a link to the wiki page once you've done it, i'll definitely be interested to read it. one thing to be aware of tho, there are a LOT of bugs filed right now concerning these various things, and unfortunately the current wording of the options doesn't help. (i'm the one who sugges

Re: [slim] Wiki entry on "various artists" or Compilations

2008-12-04 Thread Phil Meyer
>SC always uses some “various artists” detection algorithm to identify >albums with mixed artists. If it detects different track artists on an >album it places that album under “Various Artists” (This name is >configurable) in the Genre and Artist menus. > Just to be clear, only when browing in Ar

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Re: [slim] Wiki entry on "various artists" or Compilations

2008-12-04 Thread CatBus
I'd go at it like this: The COMPILATION tag is used to determine whether an album is a compilation (various artists) or not. If the COMPILATION tag is not available, SqueezeCenter uses the following logic to guess whether or not an album is a compilation: If all of the tracks on an album share t

[slim] Wiki entry on "various artists" or Compilations

2008-12-04 Thread wnshall
I think the wiki could use an entry explaining SqueezeCenter’s handling of compilation albums. I’m willing to take a crack at it, but I don’t understand it well enough yet to do a reasonable job. I’d like to pose some questions here and hope that the answers allow me to craft a first draft of a