Re: [slim] Future - no future!?

2007-11-22 Thread jeebers
JimC;244472 Wrote: We're working with all of the serious players in the area of internet-based music and can support the appropriate ones, once the Byzantine licensing structures in Europe are fixed. The CRB here in the U.S might be a pain, and may not fully grasp the value of internet

Re: [slim] Future - no future!?

2007-11-22 Thread moley6knipe
I bought my first SB3 a few months ago to replace a Netgear MP101, and I've just bought my second. I use iTunes/iPod, so when I set it up (6.5.3 at the time) I ticked use iTunes and after the scan it was good to go. Dead easy. I think the default options are good; if you use DHCP and all your

Re: [slim] Future - no future!?

2007-11-21 Thread morris_minor
JimC;244252 Wrote: And we're doing a LOT of work in the SqueezeNetwork area, so you'll see it continue to improve and evolve. -= Jim That's good to hear Jim, but I still think the levels of support for SB3 are crucial to its success in the wider marketplace. I'll shut up now! --

Re: [slim] Future - no future!?

2007-11-21 Thread jeebers
JimC;244252 Wrote: Actually, it is already far more than a world-band radio. It connects you to music services like Pandora, Rhapsody, Live365, RadioIO, and now Slacker Radio. It also allows you to store your personal music collection in an MP3tunes music locker*, for access whether or not

Re: [slim] Future - no future!?

2007-11-21 Thread ChrisNY
Has any thought been given to setting up a training/certification process to have some of the very knowledgable folks around here act as installation helpers? This would help those prospective customers that would like to go beyond the Squeezenetwork option but just don't have the requisitite

Re: [slim] Future - no future!?

2007-11-21 Thread JimC
jeebers;244298 Wrote: I know you already know this, and it's not meant as a dig, but Pandora, Rhapsody and Slacker are US-only, therefore meaningless to the rest of us. I understand the reasons why, and I know it's not Logitech / SD's fault, but I do hope that some of the SqueezeNetwork

Re: [slim] Future - no future!?

2007-11-21 Thread erland
I think the most of the current SqueezeBox owners fall in either of the following categories: - Computer geek - Audiophile Both these categories needs a computer at home and thus also likes to setup a local SlimServer. The audiophiles because the internet radio sound quality is't good enough and

Re: [slim] Future - no future!?

2007-11-20 Thread Paul_B
But the tarket market of the Squeezebox is for people who appreciate good quality music. If colour is the guiding principle for your buying decision and outways the sound then why are you spending so much money? Plenty of other products on the market are much cheaper versions (cos they only play

Re: [slim] Future - no future!?

2007-11-20 Thread Fifer
sd2100;243989 Wrote: I'm very sorry :-( but Mike your answer is the typical engineers answer. And that is not *god* enough. I don't think he ever claimed to be a deity. If the buying process is cancelled after a quick view at the black box it doesn't matter how good it performs sonically

Re: [slim] Future - no future!?

2007-11-20 Thread sd2100
cliveb;244020 Wrote: Perhaps the SB3 is in danger of attempting to address two markets and missing out on both. Exactly! It is to beautyful designed to be taken serious and to boring (all black) to be lifestile. -- sd2100

Re: [slim] Future - no future!?

2007-11-20 Thread cliveb
Fifer;243994 Wrote: I'm far from convinced that the lack of colour choices is a factor here. How many home audio components offer anything other than a very limited (or no) choice of colours? As a lifestyle product, maybe sd2100 has a point. But I don't regard myself as having the aesthetic

Re: [slim] Future - no future!?

2007-11-20 Thread Fifer
cliveb;244020 Wrote: As a serious audio component, the packaging just isn't right. The current cute styling makes it *look* like a lifestyle product, and a lot of people who are serious about sound quality will dismiss it for that reason. *If it were packaged in a more traditional 19 box it

Re: [slim] Future - no future!?

2007-11-20 Thread morris_minor
Fifer;244023 Wrote: Isn't it even more bizarre for people who are serious about audio to dismiss something on aesthetic considerations? Don't serious audio enthuisiasts make decisions based on sound quality rather than appearance? Why would a manufacturer restrict the versatility of

Re: [slim] Future - no future!?

2007-11-20 Thread cliveb
Fifer;244023 Wrote: Isn't it even more bizarre for people who are serious about audio to dismiss something on aesthetic considerations? Don't serious audio enthuisiasts make decisions based on sound quality rather than appearance? In principle, yes. But the world is full of cute lifestyle

Re: [slim] Future - no future!?

2007-11-20 Thread Fifer
cliveb;244031 Wrote: Therefore, when one is faced with something that looks like a lifestyle product, the psychological instinct is to start with an assumption that it's probably mainly form and not much function. It's just not possible to thoroughly research every option, so a lot of people

Re: [slim] Future - no future!?

2007-11-20 Thread Marc Sherman
morris_minor wrote: Us folks who've embraced the SB3 know what a quality device it is. But if you aren't too computer savvy, setting it up may be a problem. I wonder how many SB3s will be returned by customers who haven't persevered (or just couldn't be bothered) to get in running. It's not

Re: [slim] Future - no future!?

2007-11-20 Thread morris_minor
Marc Sherman;244048 Wrote: morris_minor wrote: Us folks who've embraced the SB3 know what a quality device it is. But if you aren't too computer savvy, setting it up may be a problem. I wonder how many SB3s will be returned by customers who haven't persevered (or just couldn't be

Re: [slim] Future - no future!?

2007-11-20 Thread JimC
morris_minor;244058 Wrote: Well, yes - if all you want is a World Band radio . . . and assuming our non-techy user even knows what a router is . . and can then set it up . . then it does Just Work :o) Actually, it is already far more than a world-band radio. It connects you to music

Re: [slim] Future - no future!?

2007-11-19 Thread sd2100
I've had my SB3 for just over a week and a must say - GREATE. The network was found very quikly and the SB3 was up and running within minuets. My concerns wasn't the hardware but the a little bit boring black looks compared to the fantastic sliver version! Looks sells whatever you might think. A

Re: [slim] Future - no future!?

2007-11-19 Thread Mark Lanctot
sd2100;243728 Wrote: If money isn't the main buying criteria - what would most women buy if you put a SB3 next to a Sonos? You know the answer. But Sonos isn't styled much differently. It's just a white box while the SB3 is black. In fact I believe the box is larger and less discreet. I'm

Re: [slim] Future - no future!?

2007-11-19 Thread sd2100
Mark Lanctot;243761 Wrote: But Sonos isn't styled much differently. It's just a white box while the SB3 is black. In fact I believe the box is larger and less discreet. I'm curious what you think of the SB2: http://wiki.slimdevices.com/index.cgi?HardwareComparison which was restyled

Re: [slim] Future - no future!?

2007-11-19 Thread slimkid
sd2100;243774 Wrote: .. Your analogy to the car market is quite good. European cars makers were very slow to install cupholders in the cars due to fact that no one in Europe used to drink and drive. But Americans wanted cupholders so the got them at last... That's very good example of how

Re: [slim] Future - no future!?

2007-11-19 Thread James_B
My fear is that SB will be seen as a lifestyle product, and even worse marketed as such! And it bothers me that they just needs to ad some colours and then could charge 5 - 10 $ extra, that would be pure profit + gain a lot more customers. IMHO it's very strange. A pink SB3 might not

Re: [slim] Future - no future!?

2007-11-19 Thread Fifer
James_B;243794 Wrote: A pink SB3 might not sound any better, but would it sound any worse? And if you are scared your favourite toy might become this month's must have high-street thing, you might want to think about why that is really an off putting prospect.. Perhaps he's concerned that

Re: [slim] Future - no future!?

2007-11-19 Thread Peter
sd2100 wrote: I've had my SB3 for just over a week and a must say - GREATE. The network was found very quikly and the SB3 was up and running within minuets. My concerns wasn't the hardware but the a little bit boring black looks compared to the fantastic sliver version! Looks sells whatever

Re: [slim] Future - no future!?

2007-11-19 Thread mvalera
sd2100;243774 Wrote: And it bothers me that they just needs to ad some colours and then could charge 5 - 10 $ extra, that would be pure profit + gain a lot more customers. IMHO it's very strange. I'll take mine in a paisley pattern... no, no wait... how about a nice tweed! Mike --

Re: [slim] Future - no future!?

2007-11-19 Thread funkstar
mvalera;243838 Wrote: I'll take mine in a paisley pattern... no, no wait... how about a nice tweed! Mike I vote for herring bone :) Joking aside, have you seen the graphics on the back of the new Zunes? Very cool! -- funkstar

Re: [slim] Future - no future!?

2007-11-19 Thread KoxxBoxx
Peter;243842 Wrote: I said it before: My favorite sound system would be invisible. No SB, no amp and no speakers in sight. With the Jive platform we're (slowly) getting there I think. Just the speakers left. I believe in the US in-wall speakers are popular. I haven't seen them here.

Re: [slim] Future - no future!?

2007-11-19 Thread Paul_B
For me there are three main things about the SB3 that justify the cost: 1 - Sound quality; a FLAC CD from my NAS is exactly the same quality on my stero as playing the CD mid-priced Hi-Fi CD player. 2 - The accessibility of my music; not just being lazy and getting a CD out the drawer but

Re: [slim] Future - no future!?

2007-11-18 Thread Mark Lanctot
So, let me get this straight - the SB3 has no future because it isn't available in gaudy colours? And here I thought Holland was the place for wacky tabaccy, but I guess it's Denmark... And yeah, those lifestyle products are typically all styling and no performance. No thanks on that one.

Re: [slim] Future - no future!?

2007-11-17 Thread sd2100
I totally forgot the usual suspects. Ipod and Tivoli Audio. Greate products (I believe they are market leaders in theire business area) and the products they sell all comes in a greate variety of colours. But, if SD wants to loose the battle, there isn't really much to do. Sad but true. --

Re: [slim] Future - no future!?

2007-11-17 Thread utowana
My wife looked at the first SB...a kludgey black and silver model My kludgey reference was a lame attempt at mild sarcasm. I also prefer the silver/black over the all black. The white was, well for other households. Back to the music. RadioIO Jazz is on right now...glad to have em back.

Re: [slim] Future - no future!?

2007-11-17 Thread bpa
Squeezebox in different colours - so 2005 http://web.archive.org/web/20050127014514/http://www.slimdevices.com/ -- bpa bpa's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1806 View this thread:

Re: [slim] Future - no future!?

2007-11-17 Thread iPhone
sd2100;243360 Wrote: I totally forgot the usual suspects. Ipod and Tivoli Audio. Greate products (I believe they are market leaders in theire business area) and the products they sell all comes in a greate variety of colours. But, if SD wants to loose the battle, there isn't really much to

Re: [slim] Future - no future!?

2007-11-17 Thread morris_minor
I think one of Logitech's problems is going to be educating the workforce of the stores that'll sell the SB to give proper advice and support to those attracted by the proposition but lacking the technical knowledge in computing terms to get it running. The Transporter's fine, since proper hi-fi

Re: [slim] Future - no future!?

2007-11-17 Thread Gibbo
When I was looking into getting a wireless music player, and then hence decided on a SB I went around a lot of stereo etc stores trying to find someone that had a demo model etc of something anything. The problem was as said above, no-one would really be able to set it up, they don't have

Re: [slim] Future - no future!?

2007-11-17 Thread tyler_durden
What is a life-style product? It conjures up visions of desperate consumers combing gadget magazines and Sharper-Image catalogs to find the latest over-priced junk that they must have in order to meet some advertising executive's definition of a complete life. Yuck. It sounds so slimy I want

Re: [slim] Future - no future!?

2007-11-17 Thread morris_minor
tyler_durden;243410 Wrote: What is a life-style product? It conjures up visions of desperate consumers combing gadget magazines and Sharper-Image catalogs to find the latest over-priced junk that they must have in order to meet some advertising executive's definition of a complete life.

Re: [slim] Future - no future!?

2007-11-16 Thread utowana
Ugh...Not even sure why I'm bothering to chime in, but I guess timing is everything. I just took delivery of my third SB3 and paired it with Audioengine 5's in my bedroom. Connected wirelessly two floors away from my router - after a 2 minute set up, including insertion of my WEP key. It suits

Re: [slim] Future - no future!?

2007-11-16 Thread Pat Farrell
utowana wrote: She doesn't care what color it is. She is listening to the music. its all about the music. The hardware is just to deliver music to our ears. ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com

Re: [slim] Future - no future!?

2007-11-16 Thread Peter
sd2100 wrote: Does sb3 has a future? I'm not sure.I think the problem with the sb3 is, that it doesn't know what it is! Is it a geek device or a life-stile product. The problem (as far as I see it) has become more obvious when logitech decided to ditch the white and silver versions (which by

Re: [slim] Future - no future!?

2007-11-16 Thread peejay
utowana;243307 Wrote: Ugh...Not even sure why I'm bothering to chime in, but I guess timing is everything. I just took delivery of my third SB3 and paired it with Audioengine 5's in my bedroom. Connected wirelessly two floors away from my router - after a 2 minute set up, including

Re: [slim] Future - no future!?

2007-11-16 Thread Peter
peejay wrote: utowana;243307 Wrote: Ugh...Not even sure why I'm bothering to chime in, but I guess timing is everything. I just took delivery of my third SB3 and paired it with Audioengine 5's in my bedroom. Connected wirelessly two floors away from my router - after a 2 minute set up,