agillis wrote:
A non networked music player does not interest me but a music store
filled with studio masters in FLAC format does. If they can get licenses
to good masters and the ability to release them as FLAC that will be
huge. The Pono music store will be the best part.
Not sure why
Julf wrote:
Not sure why they would do any better than hdtracks, qobuz and the
others...
Good point. early interviews on Pono indicated that the record labels
were on board to produce high res, better (re)mastered versions of
albums to provide to Pono. And at that point it seemed that Pono
garym wrote:
Not that there is anything wrong with 16/44.1, but it seems to be a
ripoff to sell hires files with no transparency regarding their source.
I agree - nothing wrong with 16/44.1, but not very keen to pay a premium
just to get a lot of empty space in the file...
To try to judge
A non networked music player does not interest me but a music store
filled with studio masters in FLAC format does. If they can get licenses
to good masters and the ability to release them as FLAC that will be
huge. The Pono music store will be the best part.
rip, tag, get cover art
All you
Nonreality wrote:
Many people don't even know that there is better than mp3.
Oh but they do know. They just don't care.
Music consumption has changed a lot the last years. The people who enjoy
quality music on their high quality music sets are a dying breath.
The new generation is fine with
Mnyb wrote:
You can and do hear the difference between good and bad masters and
recordings .
So the interesting part is how Pono will run their music store would
they just accept files as is from their sources or will they do some
decent quality controll ?
I could not have said
Pascal Hibon wrote:
I could not have said it any better.
I seriously doubt that Neil and his team would have all bad recordings
re-recorded. I don't think this would be financially possible for a
company such a Pono to survive.
Not exactly re-recorded but track down a good master , from
Mnyb wrote:
Not exactly re-recorded but track down a good master , from the original
studio lests say done before some exec telled them that it was to weak
and had to be louder ;)
Sure, that works if the recording itself is of good quality. That is
unfortunately not necessary true for all
Pascal Hibon wrote:
Sure, that works if the recording itself is of good quality. That is
unfortunately not necessary true for all recordings out there.
Dynamic compression is not the only bad thing that happens during the
creation of an album.
Not at all numerous reasons , there migth not
Mnyb wrote:
the pricing is going to be higher because I get the random noise in
classic/old recordings spread on more bits ?
I love the open, airy sound of all those empty bits!
To try to judge the real from the false will always be hard. In this
fast-growing art of 'high fidelity' the
This showed up today.
http://www.engadget.com/2014/04/07/neil-young-on-pono-interview/
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Mnyb wrote:
We need more lossles music stores .
agree. And after slogging through Neil's rants on digital music quality
in his book, I would have really hoped that the Pono music store would
have quality control over its digital files (unlike HDTracks). On the
other hand, I am quite pleased
Nonreality wrote:
You mean he needs to do what you want and only what you want, regardless
if he feels he's doing something good to help music quality.
You missed the point.
Who is interested in listening to high quality music on a portable
player? The biggest portable audio listeners
If one whants high qulity portable for some reason there are already
products for that .
Lets see if pono lives up tp price and performance then for that niche ,
they have not pulished any decent spec's wichh in itself is fishy in
pov.
Pascal Hibon wrote:
You missed the point.
Who is interested in listening to high quality music on a portable
player? The biggest portable audio listeners today are not interested
in such thing and there are already plenty of those products on the
market. The majority of these people are
Nonreality wrote:
You miss my point. He can't change everything that's wrong with music
formats and he has chosen this way to try to introduce people to a
better format.
There is nothing wrong with 44.1/16 (apart from not giving the record
labels enough revenue).
To try to judge the real
Lets see what Pono tries to sell us. I wouldn't wonder if it is
exatctly the same stuff you get on HDtracks, Quboz and alike.
I still don't believe Mr. Young does all this for the love in better
sound. It is more about getting a part as big as possible of the growing
HiRes sales.
And indeed his
Julf wrote:
There is nothing wrong with 44.1/16 (apart from not giving the record
labels enough revenue).
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SlimChances wrote:
+1
Sorta of like the movie studios attempt to sell everyone on HD 3D Smart
TVs. DVD quality is fine ; I'd rather see a good story then a HD one
that is poorly done. Similarly rather listen to my collection of Classic
Rock recorded CD quality (FLAC)then much of the new
Mnyb wrote:
Na not really i can definitely see a difference between bluray and dvd
, having a 65 hdtv .
But you cant hear the difference between 16/44.1 and 24/192k it's not
humanly possible regardless of ears or equipment .
.
Yes you probably can tell the difference but my point was
Pascal Hibon wrote:
I don't understand the Pono product. It just seems like yet another
portable music player. There are plenty of portable music players around
who are able to play lossless music formats.
If this is about quality, then why a portable player and why not a
streamer that you
pippin wrote:
And, well, nobody buys iPods anymore.
That is nobody compared to what Apple used to sell. To some other
company like Pono there are a ton of sales. So there is some potential
there. I don't like using my phone for music and use a Classic for
listening. It has pretty good quality
RonM wrote:
So this is a portable device, intended to provide portable music? I'd
like to see the earbuds/headphones that go with it. iPods and such are
typically used as mobile devices, useful for listening to music on the
go. Anything that is going to capitalize on high-grade sound
If Neil Young is behind it, it must be good right ? That is what some
folks are thinking out there. Probably upgrading from their 8-track
player.
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Mnyb wrote:
The interesting part is the built in music store , but there is really
not much info on that ?
The most burning question would i be able to easilly use these files
outside the silly better mp3 player ? they sort of dont get it, this
is like Fords faster horses ('If I had
cliveb wrote:
It would appear that the Pono ecosystem basically mirrors the
iPod/iTunes/iTunes store model. Nothing new there. What *is* new are the
following:
1. The player costs $399. This is a joke, right?
2. The player has a triangular form factor that makes it inconvenient to
slip
aubuti wrote:
1) Setting aside for the moment pippin's key observation that nobody
buys iPods any more, that's the same price as a 64GB iPod touch, which
has half the capacity and no option for swapping out microSD card.
2) True, although I suppose it depends on the pocket. A coat pocket or
Pascal Hibon wrote:
I don't understand the Pono product. It just seems like yet another
portable music player. There are plenty of portable music players around
who are able to play lossless music formats.
If this is about quality, then why a portable player and why not a
streamer that you
I'll bet it's really nice, with Ayre collaborating on it and with an ESS
Sabre 9018 DAC chip in it...
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I don't understand the Pono product. It just seems like yet another
portable music player. There are plenty of portable music players around
who are able to play lossless music formats.
If this is about quality, then why a portable player and why not a
streamer that you can hook up to your
It would appear that the Pono ecosystem basically mirrors the
iPod/iTunes/iTunes store model. Nothing new there. What *is* new are the
following:
1. The player costs $399. This is a joke, right?
2. The player has a triangular form factor that makes it inconvenient to
slip in a pocket.
And, well, nobody buys iPods anymore.
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cliveb wrote:
It would appear that the Pono ecosystem basically mirrors the
iPod/iTunes/iTunes store model. Nothing new there. What *is* new are the
following:
1. The player costs $399. This is a joke, right?
2. The player has a triangular form factor that makes it inconvenient to
slip
But people buying an iPod touch (the few of them who still do) usually
don't do so because they want a music player but they want a cheap and
small mini-tablet to run Apps on. iOS and the touch screen are the
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aubuti wrote:
1) Setting aside for the moment pippin's key observation that nobody
buys iPods any more, that's the same price as a 64GB iPod touch, which
has half the capacity and no option for swapping out microSD card.
The iPod also works with fewer formats.
I haven't seen the issue of
pippin wrote:
But people buying an iPod touch (the few of them who still do) usually
don't do so because they want a music player but they want a cheap and
small mini-tablet to run Apps on. iOS and the touch screen are the
killer features, not music playing.
No doubt. But if you want a music
So this is a portable device, intended to provide portable music? I'd
like to see the earbuds/headphones that go with it. iPods and such are
typically used as mobile devices, useful for listening to music on the
go. Anything that is going to capitalize on high-grade sound needs a
high-grade
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kesey wrote:
Have a look at www.ponomusic.com
Neil Young launched his funding round on Kickstarter yesterday March
11th, and there are already 5000+ backers who have kicked in $1.6
million. The PonoPlayer is scheduled to launch in October next. The
video is well worth a watch on
The interesting part is the built in music store , but there is really
not much info on that ?
The most burning question would i be able to easilly use these files
outside the silly better mp3 player ? they sort of dont get it, this
is like Fords faster horses ('If I had asked people what they
Mnyb wrote:
EDIT: you can buy the music ! :) I would sure try out the store if it
works better than HD tracks.
And I seem to remember Neil Young had something against DSD/SACD, so I
guess the stuff will be all-multibit.
To try to judge the real from the false will always be hard. In this
Julf wrote:
And I seem to remember Neil Young had something against DSD/SACD, so I
guess the stuff will be all-multibit (a good thing, in my personal
opinion).
I asked some questions to the pono team ,basically if you can sign up
without the player and if they are going to have quality
Julf wrote:
And I seem to remember Neil Young had something against DSD/SACD, so I
guess the stuff will be all-multibit (a good thing, in my personal
opinion).
+1 in most modern equipment the music is going to be processed anyway by
room eq or subwoofer fillters etc or by digital crossovers
Mnyb wrote:
The interesting part is the built in music store , but there is really
not much info on that ?
The most burning question would i be able to easilly use these files
outside the silly better mp3 player ? they sort of dont get it, this
is like Fords faster horses ('If I had
bakker_be wrote:
The Pono file format is said to be FLAC, so I guess DRM and the like are
pretty much non-existant
Code:
Is PonoMusic a new audio format? What about PonoMusic quality?
No. We want to be very clear that PonoMusic is not a new audio file
It has 128 GB of storage but I do not see any way to connect it to a
local server for larger libraries. If that is the case it would be very
limited. Also no streaming. Looks like a glorified portable MP3 player
that plays a few other formats
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