Re: [slim] Squeezebox vs. Apple TV - Give me some arguments for keeping my Squeezeboxes
I also think that if I'd only need one player where the main Hifi is, I would choose whatever there is available on the market (maybe even DLNA stuff). But in the meantime I own three Squeezebox Radios (Bedroom, Kitchen, Bathroom) and I couldn't replace them with Apple stuff anymore, because: well one needs knobs on the devices if there are in different Rooms. (For the same reason also Sonos lacks a lot for me). Also the Boom in the Kids Room is well used to turn on some music when he goes to bed - and I'm very happy, that I don't have to fiddle with some remote to do so (which would just lead to fights over the phone/tablet in the evening). (Sometimes I even enjoy just to put on some fairy tale in the morning remotely, to get 30min more sleep ;) - that wouldn't be possible with any device, that cannot turn on its own boxes). So in the end it all boils down to your environment, and for me Squeezeboxes big advantage over other systems is still their very good multiroom capability but also their form factor. -- bluegaspode Did you know: *'SqueezePlayer' (www.squeezeplayer.com)* will stream all your music to your Android device. Take your music everywhere! Remote Control + Streaming to your iPad? *'Squeezebox + iPad = SqueezePad ' (www.squeezepad.com)* Want to see a Weather Forecast on your Radio/Touch/Controller ? = why not try my 'Weather Forecast Applet' (http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=73827) Want to use the Headphones with your Controller ? = why not try my 'Headphone Switcher Applet' (http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=67139) bluegaspode's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=31651 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=94223 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Squeezebox vs. Apple TV - Give me some arguments for keeping my Squeezeboxes
-tm-;696825 Wrote: 2. It just works: Have you ever hestitated installing a new Squeezebox Server release? Waiting for other users on the forum reporting their experience? I have. I had troubles with some updates e.g. with sleep/wake functionality of the server. I took time to fix these. Not so with Apple TV. No maintenance. Nothing to fix. Nothing to configure. I never understand when people say that the Squeezebox system needs maintenance. I only have to fix the Squeezebox system when I messed it up myself, by installing 3rd part plug-ins, pre-release beta's or Windows fiddling. My first update on my iPad 2 had to be done twice. The first time it left the iPAD2 in an unusable state. Not a really good experience, is it? -tm-;696825 Wrote: 1. Sound quality: Apple TV sounds better then Squeezebox. I would have never guessed this. I have fairly good HiFi equipment. Most of my music is either in Apple Lossless (ALAC, which is like FLAC) or 320 CBR mp3 format. Apple TV is connected via HDMI. Squeezebox is connected via optical output. Squeezebox Server runs at highest audio settings. Friends confirmed the difference in audible pleasure. Apple TV sounds clearer, livelier, and has a broader stage for presenting the musicians and/ or sounds. This I just can't believe. It sounds like the demeanour exhibited by some people preferring the bad .mp3 over the better .flac, because that's the soundquality they have come to expect... However, maybe the HDMI on your system is better than the optical SPDIF. -- verypsb ::Please vote::: '::bug 1330:: New music should work on creation date' (http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1330) '::bug 2140:: Allow specification of SlimServer address by DNS Name' (http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2140) '::bug 9152:: SqueezeNetwork keep track of SqueezeCenter IP addresses' (http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=9152) '::bug 17542:: Albums not credited to Album Artist' (http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=17542) '::bug 17799:: Use a separator such as 'Also appears on' when viewing the albums by an artist' (http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=17799) 1x Boom, 1x Classic, 3x Controller, 2x Receiver, 1x Touch (Hoping for a Boom II Receiver II) verypsb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17295 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=94223 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Squeezebox vs. Apple TV - Give me some arguments for keeping my Squeezeboxes
bluegaspode;696848 Wrote: ...Squeezeboxes big advantage over other systems is still their very good multiroom capability but also their form factor. If only Logitech would understand this too... They don't if you look at their marketing. -- verypsb ::Please vote::: '::bug 1330:: New music should work on creation date' (http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1330) '::bug 2140:: Allow specification of SlimServer address by DNS Name' (http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2140) '::bug 9152:: SqueezeNetwork keep track of SqueezeCenter IP addresses' (http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=9152) '::bug 17542:: Albums not credited to Album Artist' (http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=17542) '::bug 17799:: Use a separator such as 'Also appears on' when viewing the albums by an artist' (http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=17799) 1x Boom, 1x Classic, 3x Controller, 2x Receiver, 1x Touch (Hoping for a Boom II Receiver II) verypsb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17295 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=94223 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Squeezebox vs. Apple TV - Give me some arguments for keeping my Squeezeboxes
One big advantage with Squeezebox is LMS. It's the best music server software out there. (No, I'm not kidding) I like to keep everything in one location. Easy to maintain and easy to control. AirPlay works for casual listening but thats it. Other advantages is Display on the player. IR (Harmony, one remote to rule them all). Plugins. And it's so stable that it's almost boring. -- bernt 'LastFM' (http://www.last.fm/user/ottovonkopp/) SB3, SB BOOM - Vortexbox@HP SFF iPod Touch\iPeng bernt's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1342 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=94223 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Squeezebox vs. Apple TV - Give me some arguments for keeping my Squeezeboxes
All -TM- would have to add to his set-up is one or two Airport Express base stations (to which you can attach speakers) in order to get multi-room capability. With software available to set up your NAS as an iTunes server, you would also solve the issue of having to have the iMac running in order to use AppleTV or these base stations. Especially if you can use the Apple remote app to control this server. My set-up is becoming more and more Apple too. The reason is simple. Apple creates an eco-system. The more parts of your digital entertainment you integrate into the Apple ecosystem, the easier life becomes. -- AnthonioBEL AnthonioBEL's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=51023 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=94223 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Squeezebox vs. Apple TV - Give me some arguments for keeping my Squeezeboxes
bernt;696854 Wrote: One big advantage with Squeezebox is LMS. It's the best music server software out there. (No, I'm not kidding) I like to keep everything in one location. Easy to maintain and easy to control. I actually agree with the above. My problem is that I have a large music library, but I also have an immense movie and tv-programme library. This means iTunes is easier to control it all. Right now I use LMS for all my music-listening needs, but need to switch to iTunes for movies or tv programmes. I'll probably end up at a juncture soon. Either LMS will get very improved DLNA capabilities, Or, I would go the Apple route as described in my previous post. At the end of the day, it makes sense to have one software-package control all your digital media, whatever form it may take. I find it annoying to have to use both LMS AND iTunes. What will probably happen eventually, that I'll go the complete Apple route for my own media, and use the Squeezebox ecosystem for my son and his media -- AnthonioBEL AnthonioBEL's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=51023 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=94223 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Squeezebox vs. Apple TV - Give me some arguments for keeping my Squeezeboxes
-tm-;696825 Wrote: 1. Sound quality: Apple TV sounds better then Squeezebox. I would have never guessed this. I have fairly good HiFi equipment. Most of my music is either in Apple Lossless (ALAC, which is like FLAC) or 320 CBR mp3 format. Apple TV is connected via HDMI. Squeezebox is connected via optical output. Squeezebox Server runs at highest audio settings. Friends confirmed the difference in audible pleasure. Apple TV sounds clearer, livelier, and has a broader stage for presenting the musicians and/ or sounds. So both the Squeezebox and the Apple TV do nothing to the sound as the digital processing is done by your receiver... How then can it be that they sound different??? 2. It just works: Have you ever hestitated installing a new Squeezebox Server release? Waiting for other users on the forum reporting their experience? I have. I had troubles with some updates e.g. with sleep/wake functionality of the server. I took time to fix these. Not so with Apple TV. No maintenance. Nothing to fix. Nothing to configure. Probably it has something to do with really knowing what you're doing and not assuming you know and therefore pushing every button you can find without really thinking: Do/Should I need/alter this or not?. Never had a problem with my squeezebox and squeezeboxserver except for some issues regarding weird characters in filenames... 3. My focus is on listening and enjoying music again: At first sight the possibilities of Apple TV are limited compared to Squeezebox. But do not underestimate the power of iTunes. Smart playlists are wonderful. And even Genius has evolved. However, the most important point is that the lack of endless configuration options is benefitial. You really learn how to use your equipment well. How to use iTunes DJ and the free Remote iOS app. It becomes transparent and what remains is only the music and you. I am primary attracted to music and not to technical configuration and this attraction is satisfied much more by Apple TV. I just hate iTunes, it's a bloated piece of crap software, totally unflexible and only adheres to 1 standard: the Apple standard... I do not know how Apple does it, but streaming rarely affects battery power. I just streamed a 2h HD movie and it took only 2% of battery power. That's simple: your iPhone isn't streaming: It just told your Apple TV at what address it should look for the stream and the Apple TV did the rest. -- servies There are 10 kinds of people in the world - those who understand binary and those who don't. servies's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9496 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=94223 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Squeezebox vs. Apple TV - Give me some arguments for keeping my Squeezeboxes
AnthonioBEL;696856 Wrote: At the end of the day, it makes sense to have one software-package control all your digital media, whatever form it may take. Why? The use cases are very different (listen to music anywhere vs. in front if the TV; view one movie every evening vs. 20 tracks/hour; you watch a movie once a year or so vs. listening to the same music over and over again,), the devices you listen on are different, too, so why do you need to use the same software. The server hardware can still be the same as can be the remote control. -- pippin --- see iPeng, the Squeezebox iPhone remote and *New: iPeng for iPad*, at penguinlovesmusic.com pippin's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13777 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=94223 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Squeezebox vs. Apple TV - Give me some arguments for keeping my Squeezeboxes
servies;696857 Wrote: So both the Squeezebox and the Apple TV do nothing to the sound as the digital processing is done by your receiver... How then can it be that they sound different??? I'm not 100% sure, but Apple might apply some compression. It's the same thing as a lot of people preferring mp3 sound as long as they don't know it's mp3. Also: maybe there were volume differences, especially if the SB was not set to 100%. -- pippin --- see iPeng, the Squeezebox iPhone remote and *New: iPeng for iPad*, at penguinlovesmusic.com pippin's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13777 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=94223 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Squeezebox vs. Apple TV - Give me some arguments for keeping my Squeezeboxes
I find it makes sense (for me) not so much because of the final use (Listening vs viewing) but browsing... For me it's the difference between having to go to one shop to buy/rent movies, then walk up the street for another shop to buy/borrow books, and then walk to yet another shop to buy a music CD versus walking into a superstore/library that has all three... It's a matter of convenience. I like the fact that with iTunes, all my streaming media is in the one library with the one interface. Don't get me wrong. If or when DLNA capability is improved, then that function could just as easily be performed by LMS. -- AnthonioBEL AnthonioBEL's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=51023 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=94223 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Squeezebox vs. Apple TV - Give me some arguments for keeping my Squeezeboxes
But do you find the Apple remote to be so much different than the SB Apps? Maybe you've been using the wrong ones :D -- pippin --- see iPeng, the Squeezebox iPhone remote and *New: iPeng for iPad*, at penguinlovesmusic.com pippin's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13777 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=94223 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Squeezebox vs. Apple TV - Give me some arguments for keeping my Squeezeboxes
Haha, no, not much different. Again, it's whether you'd have to use two different remote apps to access different types of media vs just the one accessing all your media. -- AnthonioBEL AnthonioBEL's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=51023 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=94223 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Squeezebox vs. Apple TV - Give me some arguments for keeping my Squeezeboxes
Apple TV outputs stereo audio at 16bit 48K on hdmi and toslink outs. This is independent of file type. Not really good enough Dave -- DaveWr DaveWr's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9331 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=94223 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Squeezebox vs. Apple TV - Give me some arguments for keeping my Squeezeboxes
DaveWr;696864 Wrote: Apple TV outputs stereo audio at 16bit 48K on hdmi and toslink outs. This is independent of file type. Not really good enough Dave If we are to believe the article + discussion posted here: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=93990 it would be good enough. No? -- AnthonioBEL AnthonioBEL's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=51023 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=94223 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Squeezebox vs. Apple TV - Give me some arguments for keeping my Squeezeboxes
AnthonioBEL;696865 Wrote: If we are to believe the article + discussion posted here: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=93990 it would be good enough. No? I also believe that 44.1k 16 bit audio is adequate for music distribution. But I don't however believe that taking a well made file at 44.1k sampling rate and up-sampling it to a non multiple like 48k is benign without great care. Dave -- DaveWr DaveWr's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9331 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=94223 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Squeezebox vs. Apple TV - Give me some arguments for keeping my Squeezeboxes
DaveWr;696866 Wrote: I also believe that 44.1k 16 bit audio is adequate for music distribution. But I don't however believe that taking a well made file at 44.1k sampling rate and up-sampling it to a non multiple like 48k is benign without great care. I don't necessarily expect Apple to do a good job. Dave Even if I had no other issues, if apple TV upsamples my 44.1/16 files to 48k, this would be a deal breaker. -- garym *Location 1:* VB Appliance 6TB (1.10) LMS 7.7.1 Transporter, Touch, Boom, Radio w/Battery (all ethernet except Radio) *Location 2:* VB Appliance 3TB (2.0) LMS 7.7.1 Touch Benchmark DAC I, Boom, Radio w/Battery (all ethernet except Radio) *Office:* Win7(64) LMS 7.7.1 SqueezePlay Retired: SB3, Duet Receiver Controllers: iPhone (iPeng), iPad (iPengHD SqueezePad), CONTROLLER, or SqueezePlay 7.7 on Win7(64) laptop Ripping (FLAC) - dbpoweramp, Additional Tagging - mp3tag garym's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17325 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=94223 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Squeezebox vs. Apple TV - Give me some arguments for keeping my Squeezeboxes
garym;696872 Wrote: Even if I had no other issues, if apple TV upsamples my 44.1/16 files to 48k, this would be a deal breaker. +! yes is it not the same with the airports . And wonder how the volume works then ? Of the op can hear the difference that would prove that something is not rigth . op thinks it sound better but it not uncommon to confuse different and better, or actually not prefer the best as in most correct rendering -- Mnyb Main hifi: Touch + CIA PS +MeridianG68J MeridianHD621 MeridianG98DH 2 x MeridianDSP5200 MeridianDSP5200HC 2 xMeridianDSP3100 +Rel Stadium 3 sub. Bedroom/Office: Boom Kitchen: Touch + powered Fostex PM0.4 Misc use: Radio (with battery) iPad1 with iPengHD SqueezePad (in storage SB3, reciever ,controller ) http://people.xiph.org/~xiphmont/demo/neil-young.html Mnyb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4143 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=94223 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Squeezebox vs. Apple TV - Give me some arguments for keeping my Squeezeboxes
garym;696872 Wrote: Even if I had no other issues, if apple TV upsamples my 44.1/16 files to 48k, this would be a deal breaker. And here is JA discovering somebody else doing it badly (Roku): http://www.stereophile.com/content/roku-soundbridge-m1001-network-music-player-measurements Dave -- DaveWr DaveWr's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9331 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=94223 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Squeezebox vs. Apple TV - Give me some arguments for keeping my Squeezeboxes
DaveWr;696881 Wrote: And here is JA discovering somebody else doing it badly (Roku): http://www.stereophile.com/content/roku-soundbridge-m1001-network-music-player-measurements Dave yep, key quote from end: A Roku spokesperson on the Web forum stated that though this design decision makes passing 44.1kHz sources through untouched impossible...we've used a very high quality sample-scaling routine in an effort to make the resampling as good as possible and it should be inaudible. Yes, the SoundBridge does use Analog Devices' respected Blackfin DSP chip, but my experience has been that converting data with a sampling rate of 44.1kHz to one with a 48kHz rate is difficult to do with sufficient precision. It looks as if the Roku's automatic but, in my opinion, unnecessary conversion to 48kHz compromises the audio data's noise floor by introducing mathematical artifacts that I would be surprised wouldn't be audible. Add that corruption of its digital output to its underperforming DAC and analog circuitry, and you can see why I was disappointed by the Roku SoundBridge M1001. -- garym *Location 1:* VB Appliance 6TB (1.10) LMS 7.7.1 Transporter, Touch, Boom, Radio w/Battery (all ethernet except Radio) *Location 2:* VB Appliance 3TB (2.0) LMS 7.7.1 Touch Benchmark DAC I, Boom, Radio w/Battery (all ethernet except Radio) *Office:* Win7(64) LMS 7.7.1 SqueezePlay Retired: SB3, Duet Receiver Controllers: iPhone (iPeng), iPad (iPengHD SqueezePad), CONTROLLER, or SqueezePlay 7.7 on Win7(64) laptop Ripping (FLAC) - dbpoweramp, Additional Tagging - mp3tag garym's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17325 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=94223 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Squeezebox vs. Apple TV - Give me some arguments for keeping my Squeezeboxes
You are using Apple TV to play music and you've decided what song you want to hear next: how do you accomplish this without interrupting the current song? -- pski real stereo doesn't just wake the neighbors, it -enrages- them.. It is truly the Golden Age of Wireless pski's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15574 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=94223 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Squeezebox vs. Apple TV - Give me some arguments for keeping my Squeezeboxes
Your are now using Apple TV exclusively. You are out-of-town at a friend's house and you want to play some of your CD's and you don't subscribe to Match but you have an Apple TV with you. How do you play your music remotely? -- pski real stereo doesn't just wake the neighbors, it -enrages- them.. It is truly the Golden Age of Wireless pski's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15574 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=94223 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Squeezebox vs. Apple TV - Give me some arguments for keeping my Squeezeboxes
garym;696872 Wrote: Even if I had no other issues, if apple TV upsamples my 44.1/16 files to 48k, this would be a deal breaker. I believe that was a typo, all Apple devices usually only do 16/44.1, not 16/48 -- pippin --- see iPeng, the Squeezebox iPhone remote and *New: iPeng for iPad*, at penguinlovesmusic.com pippin's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13777 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=94223 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Squeezebox vs. Apple TV - Give me some arguments for keeping my Squeezeboxes
pski;696886 Wrote: You are using Apple TV to play music and you've decided what song you want to hear next: how do you accomplish this without interrupting the current song? You -can- achieve this, if: - you are streaming from you iPhone/iPad to the Apple TV - you are using one of the third party apps that plays from the local iTunes library but allows on the go playlist creation Admittedly that isn't how I'd want to manage my music playback, which is why I have Squeezeboxes ;) -- andynormancx Yes, it will. Yes, all of them. Yes, SoftSqueeze as well. What ? I SAID ALL OF THEM ! andynormancx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17417 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=94223 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Squeezebox vs. Apple TV - Give me some arguments for keeping my Squeezeboxes
pippin;696890 Wrote: I believe that was a typo, all Apple devices usually only do 16/44.1, not 16/48 Not true Apple TV2 and Apple TV3 only output stereo audio at 16bit 48k. Totally different to Airport Express. Check Apple support. Or try plugging in a DAC! Dave -- DaveWr DaveWr's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9331 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=94223 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Squeezebox vs. Apple TV - Give me some arguments for keeping my Squeezeboxes
DaveWr;696892 Wrote: Not true Apple TV2 and Apple TV3 only output stereo audio at 16bit 48k. Totally different to Airport Express. Check Apple support. Or try plugging in a DAC! Dave Oh wow. In this case they really do a lot of sample rate transformation. AirPlay, at least when streaming from an iOS device (iPhone/iPad/iPod) streams 16/44.1, that's the only format iOS devices support internally and I don't believe (again: don't know; I know the only works with 16/44.1 internally thing) they are upsampling on the device so the AppleTV would do that. It makes a lot of sense for a video device to use 48kHz since all the DVD/... formats use that but it means they do modify the sound a lot. And what does this tell us: my theory above holds: artifacts sound good to some people :) -- pippin --- see iPeng, the Squeezebox iPhone remote and *New: iPeng for iPad*, at penguinlovesmusic.com pippin's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13777 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=94223 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Squeezebox vs. Apple TV - Give me some arguments for keeping my Squeezeboxes
pippin;696895 Wrote: Oh wow. In this case they really do a lot of sample rate transformation. AirPlay, at least when streaming from an iOS device (iPhone/iPad/iPod) streams 16/44.1, that's the only format iOS devices support internally and I don't believe (again: don't know; I know the only works with 16/44.1 internally thing) they are upsampling on the device so the AppleTV would do that. It makes a lot of sense for a video device to use 48kHz since all the DVD/... formats use that but it means they do modify the sound a lot. And what does this tell us: my theory above holds: artifacts sound good to some people :) Absolutely, it also makes sense from a cost point of view. No DAC, no extra crystals, after all it is a TV Box. Dave -- DaveWr DaveWr's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9331 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=94223 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Squeezebox vs. Apple TV - Give me some arguments for keeping my Squeezeboxes
pski;696887 Wrote: Your are now using Apple TV exclusively. You are out-of-town at a friend's house and you want to play some of your CD's and you don't subscribe to Match but you have an Apple TV with you. How do you play your music remotely? You'd use similar wizardry you would have to use to to play your music remotely on a Squeezebox (Touch + usb-stick/hdd excluded). Surely the average user has not set their LMS up so they can stream their own music remotely? -- AnthonioBEL AnthonioBEL's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=51023 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=94223 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] What should be in the next version of SqueezePad ?
A poll associated with this post was created, to vote and see the results, please visit http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=80575 Question: Whats your highest priority ? - More images of your music collection - Playlist management - Syncing Players Variation A - Syncing Players Variation B - MySqueezebox.com Integration - TrackStat Ratings - Caching of Album + Artist Lists - Album Art Only Screen - Better Search - Something else - Please do the poll with different options ! nathan_h;566475 Wrote: After living with the app some more i am finding the menu structure to be a little strange. ... I would also suggest improved user interface. I find myself adding songs to playlists feeling a bit of dread, since one wrong touch means the active plalist will get wiped out. Make no mistake buttons would help. In my opinion, the current apply pressure on song/album until options pop up is error prone and unintuitive. -- pablolie ...pablo Server: MiniITX build w/Intel DH61DL i3-2100T - Ubuntu 11.04 - SBS 7.6.1 Sources: SB3 (3), SB Boom (3), Touch (1), Duet (1), Radio (1), Accuphase DP65v CD (used as DAC for SB3 mostly) Amplifiers: Accuphase E306v - Creek OBH21/22 Loudspeakers: Ceeroy 3-way tower (tuned) - Audioengine 5/S8 - Acoustic Energy Aego M Headphones: Grado SR-1 pablolie's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3816 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=80575 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] SiriusXM on a Squeezebox
how did you get the app to work in Canada i signed up for Online+ yesterday (added it to my acct) and now want to use it with my Squeezebox, but i can't login to the app can't find anyplace to change my password or acct name either (has email address)? mark -- mkaye mkaye's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=19195 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=90946 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
[slim] New user trying to add URL and cannot locate save icon
Feel foolish for even having to post this but I am attempting to add a URL to my SB and am following the steps provided by Logitech but can't find the save icon that I am supposed to click on to save my URL to the playlist. Any help would be most appreciated! -- egonmarietta egonmarietta's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=55066 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=94227 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] New user trying to add URL and cannot locate save icon
It'S at the bottom right in the web interface -- pippin --- see iPeng, the Squeezebox iPhone remote and *New: iPeng for iPad*, at penguinlovesmusic.com pippin's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13777 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=94227 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Discrete shuffle mode in Default.map?
Can anyone help me out with this? Thanks. -- cncb cncb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=8501 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=93693 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Gapless playback on iPad. Possible?
I'm using ipeng on my iPad 3 and loving it! The only drawback is gapless playback. I see squuezepad says it allows gapless playbackwhenstreaming to an iPad. Can any users confirm that it will do so for FLAC files? -- jclyle jclyle's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=11752 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=94228 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Gapless playback on iPad. Possible?
FYI I don't use playlists. Will it preload the next track in an album based on track number? -- jclyle jclyle's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=11752 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=94228 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Squeezebox vs. Apple TV - Give me some arguments for keeping my Squeezeboxes
I have been using iTunes for years but would never go to Apple TV or Airport Express instead of using my Squeezeboxes and LMS. Why? The Apple devices, using the digital outs to my DACs, sound like crap. The Squeezebox Classics and Touch that I use sound as good as my CDs in a good player. The OP is not really an audiophile type listener as he admits he doesn't even insist on streaming lossless files. If MP3's sound OK to you, I'm sure Apple devices are fine. Also, my stereo systems are in different rooms from my TV so that is a nonstarter as well. Apple TV is cool for streaming movies but that is all--IMO. As a music player it is merely adequate--like listening to an iPod in your car. -- sc53 Living Room ~ Touch Benchmark DAC Audio Research CA-2 ProAc D15 Bedroom ~ Boom Kitchen ~ SB3 NAD 747 ATC SCM 12 Listening Room ~ SB3 Electrocompaniet ECD 1 DAC or North Star USB DAC32 BAT VK32SE BAT VK55SE monoblocks Genesis 500 sc53's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=8690 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=94223 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Gapless playback on iPad. Possible?
Will come with the next update in iPeng for iPad, too, which hopefully will show up end of this week or early next week in the App Store. It's been waiting for review for a while, see the iPeng support thread for details on the delay. It will support gapless and synchronization. -- pippin --- see iPeng, the Squeezebox iPhone remote and *New: iPeng for iPad*, at penguinlovesmusic.com pippin's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13777 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=94228 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Gapless playback on iPad. Possible?
pippin;696940 Wrote: Will come with the next update in iPeng for iPad, too, which hopefully will show up end of this week or early next week in the App Store. It's been waiting for review for a while, see the iPeng support thread for details on the delay. It will support gapless and synchronization. Great to hear! Will it do gapless for FLAC? -- jclyle jclyle's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=11752 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=94228 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Gapless playback on iPad. Possible?
jclyle;696941 Wrote: Great to hear! Will it do gapless for FLAC? Yes, it will also do gapless between different formats. And it works with some streaming services, too, although they have almost no gapless material and even edit some albums that are originally gapless as of my experience. -- pippin --- see iPeng, the Squeezebox iPhone remote and *New: iPeng for iPad*, at penguinlovesmusic.com pippin's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13777 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=94228 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Gapless playback on iPad. Possible?
jclyle;696936 Wrote: I'm using ipeng on my iPad 3 and loving it! The only drawback is gapless playback. I see squuezepad says it allows gapless playbackwhenstreaming to an iPad. Can any users confirm that it will do so for FLAC files? SqueezePad supports gapless playback for all formats since the day the playback was released (Xmas '10) . This includes FLAC of course. -- bluegaspode Did you know: *'SqueezePlayer' (www.squeezeplayer.com)* will stream all your music to your Android device. Take your music everywhere! Remote Control + Streaming to your iPad? *'Squeezebox + iPad = SqueezePad ' (www.squeezepad.com)* Want to see a Weather Forecast on your Radio/Touch/Controller ? = why not try my 'Weather Forecast Applet' (http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=73827) Want to use the Headphones with your Controller ? = why not try my 'Headphone Switcher Applet' (http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=67139) bluegaspode's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=31651 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=94228 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Remote control for Touch turns on Transporter and computer
piperpilot12w;696842 Wrote: It appears the disabled remote settings on the Transporter only take effect when LMS is active. Before LMS is started, Transporter registers signals from the remote. Once LMS is active, the remote doesn't have any effect. That makes sense, because disabling the remote is an LMS setting. In other words, the Transporter's IR receiver is always active. But LMS only does anything with the commands received by the IR remote if the remote is enabled. Like all of the SBs prior to the Touch or Radio, the Transporter is a slim client, and by itself doesn't know what to do with commands received via the IR remote. It just passes it to the server, which then tells it what to do -- even something as simple as volume up/down. -- aubuti aubuti's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2074 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=94012 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Squeezebox vs. Apple TV - Give me some arguments for keeping my Squeezeboxes
AnthonioBEL;696900 Wrote: Surely the average user has not set their LMS up so they can stream their own music remotely? You did not answer the question. I asked How? not Why not? Your i holds 600GB of music and can play flac ? To be fair, most of my library is lossless m4a P -- pski real stereo doesn't just wake the neighbors, it -enrages- them.. It is truly the Golden Age of Wireless pski's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15574 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=94223 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Squeezebox vs. Apple TV - Give me some arguments for keeping my Squeezeboxes
andynormancx;696891 Wrote: You -can- achieve this, if: - you are streaming from you iPhone/iPad to the Apple TV - you are using one of the third party apps that plays from the local iTunes library but allows on the go playlist creation Admittedly that isn't how I'd want to manage my music playback, which is why I have Squeezeboxes ;) You also anticipate 1TB i. If my stuff fit on an APPLE device, I'd still be using the 'boxen. P -- pski real stereo doesn't just wake the neighbors, it -enrages- them.. It is truly the Golden Age of Wireless pski's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15574 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=94223 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] What should be in the next version of SqueezePad ?
A poll associated with this post was created, to vote and see the results, please visit http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=80575 Question: Whats your highest priority ? - More images of your music collection - Playlist management - Syncing Players Variation A - Syncing Players Variation B - MySqueezebox.com Integration - TrackStat Ratings - Caching of Album + Artist Lists - Album Art Only Screen - Better Search - Something else - Please do the poll with different options ! pablolie;696902 Wrote: I would also suggest improved user interface. I find myself adding songs to playlists feeling a bit of dread, since one wrong touch means the active plalist will get wiped out. Make no mistake buttons would help. In my opinion, the current apply pressure on song/album until options pop up is error prone and unintuitive. This is already part of SqueezePad. Just enter the settings screen with the small button on the bottom right. There you will find the playlist modification mode settings which you can set to - always ask (my preferred one) - always add to end (quite useful for creating playlists) - always add next (quite useful at parties) - always replace playlist (the default - as with real Squeezeboxes) -- bluegaspode Did you know: *'SqueezePlayer' (www.squeezeplayer.com)* will stream all your music to your Android device. Take your music everywhere! Remote Control + Streaming to your iPad? *'Squeezebox + iPad = SqueezePad ' (www.squeezepad.com)* Want to see a Weather Forecast on your Radio/Touch/Controller ? = why not try my 'Weather Forecast Applet' (http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=73827) Want to use the Headphones with your Controller ? = why not try my 'Headphone Switcher Applet' (http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=67139) bluegaspode's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=31651 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=80575 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] SiriusXM on a Squeezebox
mkaye;696908 Wrote: how did you get the app to work in Canada i signed up for Online+ yesterday (added it to my acct) and now want to use it with my Squeezebox, but i can't login to the app can't find anyplace to change my password or acct name either (has email address)? mark Read my post, 2nd one. -- Jeff Flowerday Jeff Flowerday's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15883 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=90946 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Squeezebox Touch + Napster Album Covers
I am having the same problem. It was working, now I am getting nothing. I was going to wait unto the 27th, then see if it corrected itself. David -- Dribble Dribble's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=30805 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=94058 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Gapless playback on iPad. Possible?
bluegaspode;696974 Wrote: SqueezePad supports gapless playback for all formats since the day the playback was released (Xmas '10) . This includes FLAC of course. Does it allow playback on iPhone too? -- jclyle jclyle's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=11752 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=94228 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Gapless playback on iPad. Possible?
jclyle;696993 Wrote: Does it allow playback on iPhone too? It's purely an iPad App -- pippin --- see iPeng, the Squeezebox iPhone remote and *New: iPeng for iPad*, at penguinlovesmusic.com pippin's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13777 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=94228 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Squeezebox vs. Apple TV - Give me some arguments for keeping my Squeezeboxes
I find this thread very timely. I have a Boom in a bedroom, a Classic connected to a stereo in my office, and a Duet in my family room. Love them all. However, I have ordered the new Apple TV with hopes of it replacing my Duet. My reasons to move forward are that I have finally given up waiting for Apple to support flac, so I am duplicating my flac library to Apple Lossless so it is friendly with all the Apple stuff I have accumulated (3 iPhones, iPad, etc). Since I will now have an Apple Lossless library, I see no reason than to use it (unless the audio is poor). In looking at the specs, I read that the ATV supports up to 24-bit/48khz. This is the same as the Duet (note that the SBT supports up to 96khz). I currently use the coaxial out of the Duet and will use the optical out of the ATV, so I will be using the same DAC. -- GreenGrass 1 Duet | 1 Boom | 1 Slim SB3 Main: Vandersteen 2Ce/VCC-2/VCC-1/VSM-1 + Outlaw 990 LFM-1 + Oppo BDP-93 + Bryston Amps + Duet Office: Klipsch Heresy + Bryston BP-20 3B-ST + Adcom Tuner + SB3 Server: iMac GreenGrass's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=29191 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=94223 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Gapless playback on iPad. Possible?
jclyle;696993 Wrote: Does it allow playback on iPhone too? No, but iPengHD also does not run on iPhone. Playback on iPhone is possible with iPeng or SqueezeCast which are both sold separately. -- bluegaspode Did you know: *'SqueezePlayer' (www.squeezeplayer.com)* will stream all your music to your Android device. Take your music everywhere! Remote Control + Streaming to your iPad? *'Squeezebox + iPad = SqueezePad ' (www.squeezepad.com)* Want to see a Weather Forecast on your Radio/Touch/Controller ? = why not try my 'Weather Forecast Applet' (http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=73827) Want to use the Headphones with your Controller ? = why not try my 'Headphone Switcher Applet' (http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=67139) bluegaspode's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=31651 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=94228 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
