[slim] Where's the servers for duffers wiki to be found?

2013-11-22 Thread donmacn

Hi there,
As my signature says, I've been using SB products for quite a while, and
love the concept. For me, it's been a pretty stable platform too
overall, probably because I don't tinker too much and work on the
principle of if it ain't broke

I currently run LMS on a HP PC. Not especially noisy, but not
particularly quiet either. My wife has this thing about devices being
left on, and pretty much runs a regime of switching the PC off when it's
not being used. Of course, to her that means no one sitting in front of
the monitor.. I think there's something to do with fire risk in her
thinking too. It would certainly be cheaper ($, �) to change her
thinking but, well.. maybe more expensive in the long-run.

So, to try and get round that one I've started to think about a fanless
server of some description - what I think would be described as a NAS
set-up. I could explain that this was designed to be 'always on'. To be
fair I'd like to think that it would also provide me with a more stable
long-term platform to run LMS and the SBs, because PCs die or choke up
eventually.

Finally, as the kids get older, I start to be able to play music more
again, and had wondered about re-ripping all the CDs as FLAC or some
other loss-less format. I did them all as MP3s first time round. I have
begun to consider a vortexbox appliance - a bit pricey, but it appears
that it would do the ripping, tagging and storage in one package, but
thought I'd look around first.

So... as someone who just about gets along with computers when they are
working OK, I thought I'd start my research here. I know a lot of folk
are using something like this. Rather than jump in with dumb forum
questions with no background info, I thought I'd research fanless
servers first. A google search threw up this link:
wiki.slimdevices.com/index.php/Beginners_Guide_To_Servers‎ but it
doesn't seem to work. I assume that's to do with the
Logitech/Slimdevices take over etc etc, but I thought the wiki might
still be alive somewhere? I thought I'd seen a post to that effect
somewhere on here, and tried searching the forums first before posting,
but couldn't find it again.

Thanks for any pointers to the wiki, or other good (basic!) sources of
info. I may come back with other questions about specific hardware,
compatibility, ease of use etc later on, but at this stage I'm just
starting out.

Ta

Donald



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Re: [slim] ANN: Orange Squeeze 1.3.0 released!

2013-11-22 Thread radish112

slartibartfast wrote: 
 One big advantage Squeezecommander  has over Orange Squeeze is the
 ability to play all tracks when viewing the list of album tracks. I
 know it is possible to change a preference in LMS to play one track or
 following tracks when selecting a track to play but having this set to
 play following tracks causes problems when creating playlists consisting
 of single tracks. Having an option to play the whole album from the
 track list would be a lot more intuitive for casual users than returning
 to the album list then long pressing before selecting play. Would it be
 possible to add this feature?
 
 Sent from my Nexus 7 using Tapatalk

Hi. 

I recently bought a Nexus 7 tablet and installed Orange Squeeze. The
apparent inability to play all tunes within an album, rather than
playing each tune in the playlist on a one-at-a-time basis, was bugging
me.

I don't know if I would have ever figured out how to a play an entire
album if I hadn't seen your post.

Did you stumble on this trick on your own, or is there an Orange
Squeeze tips and tricks web page or help file that I obviously haven't
stumbled on?

Thanks.



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Re: [slim] Where's the servers for duffers wiki to be found?

2013-11-22 Thread aubuti

The wiki site (http://wiki.slimdevices.com/) has been working until
recently. I suspect the current outage is temporary, but I guess it's
always possible they've pulled the plug. Keep checking and it will
probably come back up.

As for inexpensive solutions, what about using your PC's existing power
management software, combined with the excellent Server Power Control
(SPC) plugin? A typical application of SPC is to have it detect when
your SBs have been inactive for a certain period of time, and then put
the server into a low-power mode. It could be suspend (sleep),
hibernate, or complete shutdown. Then when you to listen again, SB's
wake-on-LAN feature will automatically wake-up the server. In my
experience, if the server is a suspend (sleep) state, it will be back up
and running within 2-3 seconds of receiving the WOL command. Waking up
from hibernation or complete shutdown takes longer. When my pc is in
suspend (sleep) mode it draw about 3 watts -- that's more than zero, but
a lot less than most people waste by forgetting to turn off lights (or
even using incandescent lights at all) or neglecting to clean the dust
bunnies from behind the fridge.

Note that for all but a few very special cases, WOL only works if the
server has a wired connection to the router. The SBs can send the WOL
packets via wireless, but most computers power down their wifi receivers
when in sleep/hibernate/shutdown.

Also note that NASs are not necessarily more energy efficient than a PC.
Some are and some aren't, and most are not fanless. If you want to get
new hardware, consider a small pc based on an Intel Atom CPU.



Nothing high-end, but music anywhere I want it, and it's '100% wind
powered' (http://www.cleancurrents.com/). 'MSI single-core Atom
mini-desktop'
(http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16856167032)
('Debian' (http://www.debian.org/) Squeeze 6.0.x) feeding: Living room:
'SB Touch'
(http://www.stereophile.com/mediaservers/logitech_squeezebox_touch_network_music_player/index.html)
 'NAD C325 BEE'
(http://nadelectronics.com/products/hifi-amplifiers/C-325BEE-Stereo-Integrated-Amplifier?products/hifi-amplifiers/C325BEE-Stereo-Integrated-Amplifier)
 'Vandersteen 1' (http://www.vandersteen.com/pages/1clit.html);
Kitchen/Dining: 'SB2'
(http://replay.waybackmachine.org/20050428023747/http://www.slimdevices.com/)
 'AudioSource Amp100'
(http://www.amazon.com/AudioSource-AMP-100-2-Channel-Bridgeable-Amplifier/dp/B00026BQJ6)
 2 pair of 'Polk RC60i'
(http://www.polkaudio.com/customaudio/rci/index.php?s=rc60i); Basement:
'SB2'
(http://replay.waybackmachine.org/20050428023747/http://www.slimdevices.com/)
 'JVC JA-S44'
(http://www.audiokarma.org/forums/showthread.php?t=204813)  'ESS
Tempest LS8'
(http://www.canuckaudiomart.com/details/205237-ess_tempest_ls_8_speakers/);
Bedroom: 'SB Radio'
(http://reviews.cnet.com/digital-audio-receivers-dars/logitech-squeezebox-radio-black/4505-6470_7-33770452.html);
Study: 'Squeezelite local player'
(http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?97046-Announce-Squeezelite-a-small-headless-squeezeplay-emulator-for-linux-(alsa-only)highlight=squeezelite)
 'Klipsch ProMedia 2.0'
(http://www.klipsch.com/promedia-ultra-2-0-computer-speaker-system);
Backyard deck: 'SB Receiver'
(http://wiki.slimdevices.com/index.php/Receiver)  'AudioSource Amp100'
(http://www.amazon.com/AudioSource-AMP-100-2-Channel-Bridgeable-Amplifier/dp/B00026BQJ6)
 'Polk Atrium 45'
(http://www.polkaudio.com/homeaudio/atrium/index.php#atrium45); Kid's
bedroom:  'Boom'
(http://wiki.slimdevices.com/index.php/Squeezebox_Boom); Roaming
controllers: Retina iPad with Squeezepad  iPeng, iPod touch with iPeng,
3 'SB Duet Controllers'
(http://wiki.slimdevices.com/index.php/Controller), various SB infrared
remotes, 'Nokia N800' (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nokia_N800); In the
bullpen (boxed up and ready to use if one of the above quits): 'SB3'
(http://replay.waybackmachine.org/20051210015952/http://slimdevices.com/)
and one more 'SB Receiver'
(http://wiki.slimdevices.com/index.php/Receiver)
http://www.last.fm/user/aubuti/

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Re: [slim] ANN: Orange Squeeze 1.3.0 released!

2013-11-22 Thread jimbobvfr400

radish112 wrote: 
 Hi. 
 
 I recently bought a Nexus 7 tablet and installed Orange Squeeze. The
 apparent inability to play all tunes within an album, rather than
 playing each tune in the playlist on a one-at-a-time basis, was bugging
 me.
 
 I don't know if I would have ever figured out how to a play an entire
 album if I hadn't seen your post.
 
 Did you stumble on this trick on your own, or is there an Orange
 Squeeze tips and tricks web page or help file that I obviously haven't
 stumbled on?
 
 Thanks.

You can change the tap action settings in the preferences which will
then play an album when tapping the first track. It does make it
extremely likely you'll lose a carefully crafted playlist you've spent a
while compiling. I find Squeeze Commander to have a much better
mechanism for this, although Orange Squeeze I'd superior in every other
respect.

Sent from my Ascend Y300 using Tapatalk





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Re: [slim] Where's the servers for duffers wiki to be found?

2013-11-22 Thread donmacn

Hi Aubuti,

I don't dare look behind the fridge!

I don't think it's really energy efficiency that's behind the 'switch
off' thing, probably we just both belong to a generation where
electrical and electronic devices weren't as as advanced or even safe as
they are now, and it bothers my wife more than it bothers me. But, as
the PC is wired to the router, then installing the plug in would
probably be easy enough, and does make sense. It would be a focus for a
discussion about leaving the PC switched on, and would save me the walk
through the house to the study to nudge the mouse when I want the system
to start-up so that I could play music!

I'm still attracted to the vortexbox because it seems to me like a
pretty good solution to the overall longevity/sustainability/FLAC
ripping and tagging process. I've a bit of money and time invested in
the whole SB thing now, and want to be able to nurse it along for as
long as I can. From the outside, and just reading their literature the
vortexbox seems like a solid package that would help with that, with
external (to the PC) mirrored storage etc. I don't doubt that I could
knit together an alternative hardware setup of external drives, using
the vortexbox software, dbpoweramp, tagging programmes etc, but
computers are a little bit beyond my comfort zone really.

But using the plug in for now would certainly allow me to make that
a medium to longer-term consideration, and allow me to put the cash to
one side gradually - for whatever solution I eventually opted for.

Thanks very much for the pointer.

Cheers

D



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Re: [slim] Rebuffering nightmare

2013-11-22 Thread fsoares

After years of joy, for a couple of months I have had this problem.
Music (wether streaming or local files) plays for two, or five, or even
twenty minutes - and then the Sqbox 3 cuts off, goes blank for a couple
of seconds and then automatically restarts, showing the Logitech logo,
etc., as if it had just been plugged in, and resets automatically, with
the screen finally showing whatever was playing - but stopped. If I then
press Play it resumes that radio station, or local file, it was playing
before cutting off.
Now the interesting facts: in happens with both ethernet and wireless
connections, and it happens if I take the Squeezebox to a friend's home
and connect to the internet through his network!!! So it happens
anywhere, frequently and randomly. Right now I am listening to The
Penthouse Radio and the last time I had to hit Play was 17 minutes ago
- I am expecting it to go down any minute now…
I wonder if it could have something to do with the Sqbox power supply?!
I run LMS v. 7.7.3 on a MacBook pro. But again, it happens also with my
squeezebox.com.



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Re: [slim] Where's the servers for duffers wiki to be found?

2013-11-22 Thread aubuti

Glad the pointer was helpful. I think a lot of the cost of the Vortexbox
Appliance (VBA) is associated with it being a works-out-of-the-box
solution, and from your self-described discomfort (or, shall we say,
lack of complete comfort) with computers that may be worth the extra
money. I actually enjoy tinkering with computers, and was able to buy
the same hardware as the VBA for only a little more than half the cost
of a VBA. 

A happy compromise for you could be to install the Vortexbox software
(which is free) on a PC. It replaces the PC's operating system, and is
easily managed from another computer or device. The ripping and tagging
tools are an integral part of the Vortexbox software, so you wouldn't
need to deal with separate dbpoweramp, tagging programmes, etc.



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Re: [slim] MusicIP Mixer server status

2013-11-22 Thread gbcox

Otto-Wilhelm wrote: 
 I love MusicIP as well and hope that the server becomes operative again.
 Anyone who is using MusicIP already should regularly backup the MusicIP
 database. New music added to the collection can also be analyzed by the
 local MusicIP software alone without relying on the server, which of
 course needs some time, depending on the processing power of the
 computer.

How do you analyze without the server.  I didn't see the option in
genpuid.  Thanks!



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Re: [slim] ANN: Orange Squeeze 1.3.0 released!

2013-11-22 Thread radish112

jimbobvfr400 wrote: 
 You can change the tap action settings in the preferences which will
 then play an album when tapping the first track. It does make it
 extremely likely you'll lose a carefully crafted playlist you've spent a
 while compiling. I find Squeeze Commander to have a much better
 mechanism for this, although Orange Squeeze I'd superior in every other
 respect.
 
 Sent from my Ascend Y300 using Tapatalk

Cool...done and done...many thanks



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Re: [slim] Rebuffering nightmare

2013-11-22 Thread Mnyb

fsoares wrote: 
 After years of joy, for a couple of months I have had this problem.
 Music (wether streaming or local files) plays for two, or five, or even
 twenty minutes - and then the Sqbox 3 cuts off, goes blank for a couple
 of seconds and then automatically restarts, showing the Logitech logo,
 etc., as if it had just been plugged in, and resets automatically, with
 the screen finally showing whatever was playing - but stopped. If I then
 press Play it resumes that radio station, or local file, it was playing
 before cutting off.
 Now the interesting facts: in happens with both ethernet and wireless
 connections, and it happens if I take the Squeezebox to a friend's home
 and connect to the internet through his network!!! So it happens
 anywhere, frequently and randomly. Right now I am listening to The
 Penthouse Radio and the last time I had to hit Play was 17 minutes ago
 - I am expecting it to go down any minute now…
 I wonder if it could have something to do with the Sqbox power supply?!
 I run LMS v. 7.7.3 on a MacBook pro. But again, it happens also with my
 squeezebox.com.

Yes it reboots ,so it either down to the power supply or the wifi card
in most situations ,but it could be something else but these two faults
are common .
SB3 is able to function without the wifi card so you could remove it .
Some people got lucky and only reseated the wifi card and regained
functionality .




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Bedroom/Office: Boom
Kitchen: Touch + powered Fostex PM0.4
Misc use: Radio (with battery)
iPad1 with iPengHD  SqueezePad
(in storage SB3, reciever ,controller )
server HP proliant micro server N36L with ClearOS Linux

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Re: [slim] Where's the servers for duffers wiki to be found?

2013-11-22 Thread JohnSwenson

For my main server I'm running vortexbox on a fitpc2, which is a very 
tiny, fanless atom based computer about the size of your hand, they use
a whopping 5 watts, this just stays on all the time. You can put a
standard 2.5 laptop drive inside, if you can fit your library on one
2.5 drive you don't need an external drive. 

The one problem is that it does not have an optical drive (it's smaller
than a CD!), I have to use an external USB optical drive to load the
software and do ripps. I just plug that in when I need it. 

If you have terabytes of songs the official vortexbox appliance is
probably a better solution. 

The fitpc2 is completely silent and really tiny, it is also very rugged,
it is designed as an industrial computer, so should last a long time.

John S.



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Re: [slim] Where's the servers for duffers wiki to be found?

2013-11-22 Thread reinholdk

Regarding the 'switch off' thing, I'm running LMS on a Windows PC
without the Server Power Control plugin (but I have no doubt that it's
great plugin). The PC fells into a big sleep if no SB device is playing
for a while (monitored by the 'Windows: Prevent System Standby' plugin)
and wakes up on WOL packets sent when the SB devices are turned back
on.

Regarding the ripping and tagging process, I'm running the Vortexbox
software in a virtual machine on my PC. Ripping and converting to flac 
mp3 is a no-brainer, but tagging usually needs some additional manual
work. Don't expect that tags will be perfect after the VB is finished
with it!

So I use Album Art Downloader if VB didn't find cover arts to my liking
and, of course, mp3tag to polish the tags.

Regarding the hardware, there's nothing wrong with using either a VB
appliance, a small PC like John is using or a standard PC. For NASes,
you have to be careful that it has enough cpu power, though.



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Re: [slim] Where's the servers for duffers wiki to be found?

2013-11-22 Thread Mnyb

reinholdk wrote: 
 but tagging usually needs some additional manual work. Don't expect that
 tags will be perfect after the VB is finished with it!
 
 So I use Album Art Downloader if VB didn't find cover arts to my liking
 and, of course, mp3tag to polish the tags.
 
 Regarding the hardware, there's nothing wrong with using either a VB
 appliance, a small PC like John is using or a standard PC. For NASes,
 you have to be careful that it has enough cpu power, though.

Yes thats the clincher , ime there is no just works automatic solution
for maintaining good tags in a music collection .
You cant rip files or buy files or steal files without needing to fiddle
a bit with them before putting them in the music library , regardles of
player or system .

CD rips or quite good comercial downloads or pirated stuff is a mess .

( I suppose iTunes music store is ok with metadata but they only sell
lossy so they are pre broken, not for me )




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Kitchen: Touch + powered Fostex PM0.4
Misc use: Radio (with battery)
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Re: [slim] MusicIP Mixer server status

2013-11-22 Thread Otto-Wilhelm

gbcox wrote: 
 How do you analyze without the server.  I didn't see the option in
 genpuid.  Thanks!

I am using MusicIP Mixer, as can be downloaded at
http://www.amplifindmusicservices.com/what/downloads.php

I use it not in a headless mode (if available) but with the normal
Windows user interface. The menue has unter Library the sub-item
Start Analysis.



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Re: [slim] Where's the servers for duffers wiki to be found?

2013-11-22 Thread w3wilkes

When you talk of re-ripping all your discs I would ask how they were
originally ripped? Was it high bitrate mp3 or was it low bit rate? The
reason I ask is I had also ripped my CD collection to mp3 (about 1,000
albums) using VBR highest bitrate / highest quality (LAME -v0 -q2). I
started talking to my son a few years back (who's a party kind of DJ)
and told him I was thinking of re-ripping all my CD's to FLAC. His only
comment was are you crazy? do you really think you'll be able to tell
any difference?. He said he uses high bitrate VBR MP3 exclusively for
his business. He challenged me to rip one of my favorite CD's to FLAC
and see if I could tell the difference between the FLAC and the MP3. I
really wanted to hear a difference, but honestly couldn't. Then along
comes Archimago in these forums and he puts up a challenge to the group.
You might find the thread interesting.
http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?98010-RESULTS-Blind-Test-MP3-vs-Lossless-out-now
After listening to my son, doing my own little test (not double blind,
but I think I was pretty objective) and then reading through that thread
over in the audiophile section I've come to the conclusion that I'd save
myself a couple of months worth of work by just sticking with high
quality MP3's. Funny, I've not had a single comment from anybody I know
about the quality of my recordings. I have had a couple of friends ask
about how I did all my music and then play it on the stereo though. 2
have since invested in SB and couldn't be happier!



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Re: [slim] Where's the servers for duffers wiki to be found?

2013-11-22 Thread Mnyb

There are more to it than soundquality , but I agree it's a lot of time
I've done it with my first 1000 CD's :) ouch.

Archival and transcoding its more future proof as lossles I only have
physical CD's of 1/3 of my collection.
When times moves forward and current lossles formats gets obsolete I can
just transcode without any soundquality  issue .
You can never transcode one lossy format to another lossy format ( or
the same lossy format ) without introducing artefacts .
And I hope you are aware of that lossy sound compression do discard data
forever its not like a zip file ,decoding you mp3 back to flac or WAV
would not restore the data it's gone forever ! ( you get a working flac
or WAV but that's the mp3 decoders best guess you have )

If you do mp3 do it at 320kbps with the lame encoder then you get the
best possible mp3 , many older encoders are not that good :/ If the file
where on lower rate and I had the cd I would rerip ASAP to flac . A
128kbps mp3 is not at all transparent on my system

I would also decode mp3 on the server ,you can dig out some old treads
about the mp3 decoder in the players , you can have audible artefacts in
SB3 or Touchs built in mp3 decoder with some music ( this one is real
not the audiophile fantasies about flac vs WAV ) . So it would be more
server load .

A server decoded 320kbps lame encoded mp3 is in most cases transpararent
on my system too and actually any system or listener with some rare
exceptions. You can always find some recordings that not do well in a
lossy decoder , but they are rare ,but in a big enough collection you
are bound to have some of them ( but you won't always know which one ).

That mp3 is probably ok is not good enough for me . I would be much
happier knowing that I archived and backed up my music in the best
possible way .

So I stick to rip my records to thier original spec CD's or DVDA if you
not yet ripped your CD's there is no argument for ripping to something
but else but lossles . You can always batch transcode to mp3's or AAC
from the lossles originals for your portable players .




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[slim] The WIKI is down

2013-11-22 Thread Mnyb

The wiki is down ! It's quite a resource to have hopefully it will be
back on track soon.

I've filed a bug report
http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=18059

That may not be entirely correct , I also wrote to webmaster about it .




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Re: [slim] I am leaving Logitech!

2013-11-22 Thread Michaelwagner

Kyle wrote: 
 I wonder if Sean has ever considered reacquiring his old company, as
 Michael Dell is trying to do on a much larger scale?  Would Logitech
 sell back to the original owners and allow them to take up where they
 left off?

I had the same thought. Dell succeeded. I wonder if Sean is even
interested.



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