Re: [slim] Comically Fumbled Squeezebox Replacement Thread - Would you be interested?
Whilst it does sound all very intriguing, it is what it is and people will need to move on from this. These kind of things do invariably happen. All we can do is hope that the fall-out for those involved is kept to a minimum. For those wondering about others entering the market, do note that there are a number of distros currently based on LMS and of those quite a few Vortexbox-based hardware providers out there already. None of these appear to be getting sued and the world of squeezebox still seems far from a dead end. We're also still quietly tinkering away with our own box.. due later this year. Whilst we will be paying particular attention to any licensing issues, it's still less of a minefield than using other solutions as the majority of components are covered by GPL. I don't really it stopping us or anyone else. So, in the immortal words of the Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy - Don't Panic! mintaudio's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=59106 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=103054 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Comically Fumbled Squeezebox Replacement Thread - Would you be interested?
erland wrote: I'm reasonably sure that Logitech isn't involved in any legal action related to the old dead project, so don't consider Logitech to be the bad guy regarding all this. Skickat från min iPhone med Tapatalk Absent any actual information, one can only speculate. But if Logitech was not involved, then it would seem to be good PR for them to say so on this forum. Guido F. MUSIC ROOM: Marantz TT 15S1, Virtuoso Wood CartridgeART ADCVinyl Studio Vortexbox ApplianceDLink BridgeEthernetSqueezebox Touch/EDOBenchmark DAC2 D DSPeaker Antimode Dual Core DRC/EQ/Preamp+CIA PSMusic Reference RM-200 Mk II amp Martin Logan SL3 speakers REL T1 Sub BEDROOM: Squeezebox Touch (analog out)Little Dot Mk III ampAKG K701 headphones Sony D100 ampPSB alpha B1 speakers TREADMILL: FiiO X3 Digital Music PlayerAKG K550 headphones guidof's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=40448 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=103054 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Comically Fumbled Squeezebox Replacement Thread - Would you be interested?
Pascal Hibon wrote: Common man, just let it go. The people involved who have asked to drop this discussion will have a very good reason. To continue nagging about it will not help and for sure you want get any further answers due to the reasons already mentioned several times by those involved. Move on and let it rest. I'm not nagging anyone. I'd just like to think that the idea of a community Squeezebox player is still possible. And if not, I'd like to know why not. Speculative or not. I don't give a damn if the guy with the supposed legal issues never posts again in these forums. That's his decision, but the don't talk about it angle is pure bullshit. JJZolx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=103054 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Comically Fumbled Squeezebox Replacement Thread - Would you be interested?
JJZolx wrote: More assumptions and speculation, just like those voiced by the previous poster. How can you know the important lesson unless you know the issues that were (or weren't) dealt with? If you don't think Logitech was involved, then why would you think the name was an issue? That makes no sense. Common man, just let it go. The people involved who have asked to drop this discussion will have a very good reason. To continue nagging about it will not help and for sure you want get any further answers due to the reasons already mentioned several times by those involved. Move on and let it rest. 'M-DAC' (http://www.audiolab.co.uk/M-DAC%20Series.aspx?lang=En) - 'Cambridge Audio Azur 840E' (http://www.cambridgeaudio.com/products/azur-840e-pre-amplifier) - 'Focal MP1200' (http://www.mp1200.co.nf/) - 'Focal Electra 1028 Be' (http://www.focal.com/en/electra-1000-be-2/209-electra-1028-be-3544053695099.html) 1 x SB3, 1 x SB Boom, 1 x SB Radio and 2 x SB Touch - all wireless 1 x Wandboard Dual behind the bedroom ceiling 1 x Wandboard Dual for 'msqueeze' (http://www.msqueeze.co.nf/index.html) project 1 x Wandboard Quad (will eventually become my LMS server) ReadyNAS NVX running LMS 7.8.1. - 1402661598 iPeng 7 on iPhone. SqueezePad iPeng 7 on iPad. http://www.last.fm/user/phibon Pascal Hibon's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7969 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=103054 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Sirius message. Why?
just wondering if there's any work being done to fix the SXM plugin- i'm not sure i'm comfortable with the path outlined here. still getting timeouts after a minute or so. -- 4 TB Drobo--FW 800--mac mini--Ethernet Transporter-- Wireworld Eclipse 6 coax--Meridian G61 G61-- Nordost Red Dawn--Primare 30.3 Primare--Ocos--Vienna Acoustics Beethoven/Maestro netchord's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=21002 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=102774 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Comically Fumbled Squeezebox Replacement Thread - Would you be interested?
guidof wrote: Absent any actual information, one can only speculate. But if Logitech was not involved, then it would seem to be good PR for them to say so on this forum. You are assuming that anyone from Logitech other than Michael has even looked at this forum over the last two years. I believe that assumption is wrong. To the contrary, I'd be willing to bet that nobody who matters in issues like this at Logitech is even aware of this whole discussion. And I agree all that crying out loud might cause is that this might change and that would be a bad thing for everyone. I just imaging people writing angry mails to Logitech management about some purported behavior they have never even heard of based on information brought forward in this thread... Want this forum to be shut down? That's probably the best way to make sure it is... --- learn more about iPeng, the iPhone and iPad remote for the Squeezebox and Logitech UE Smart Radio as well as iPeng Party, the free Party-App, at penguinlovesmusic.com *New: iPeng 8, the Universal App for iOS 7 and iOS 8* pippin's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13777 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=103054 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Comically Fumbled Squeezebox Replacement Thread - Would you be interested?
pippin wrote: You are assuming that anyone from Logitech other than Michael has even looked at this forum over the last two years. I believe that assumption is wrong. To the contrary, I'd be willing to bet that nobody who matters in issues like this at Logitech is even aware of this whole discussion. And I agree all that crying out loud might cause is that this might change and that would be a bad thing for everyone. I just imaging people writing angry mails to Logitech management about some purported behavior they have never even heard of based on information brought forward in this thread... Want this forum to be shut down? That's probably the best way to make sure it is... Indeed, again from experience, as a Senior design engineer at currently Dell but for 22-years at IBM, big companies NEVER deny anything. Why? Because it is very hard for them to be accurate about what they are denying. Do they know for a fact none of their employees participated in the thing they are denying? For the most part no and once you go beyond a couple of hundred it's to difficult and time consuming to be sure(*1). While an employee may feel they can comment or be involved in something as an individual, if a company denies something, you and the law would asume they mean it and the denial covered all their employees. This post wasn't specifically aimed at the topic of this post, just an explanation of why what was proposed won't happen. *1. At least as of 2013, Logitech had 9,000 employees. --- http://about.me/markcathcart Running a ReadyNAS NVX LMS Server, Logitech Media Server Version: 7.9.0 - 1423154751; Squeezebox Touch, Boom, Radio devices. Also using Squeezeplay on Windows 7 and Windows 8.1 cathcam's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=43414 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=103054 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Comically Fumbled Squeezebox Replacement Thread - Would you be interested?
JJZolx wrote:
I'd just like to think that the idea of a community Squeezebox player is
still possible. And if not, I'd like to know why not. Speculative or
not.
A community based Squeezebox player is possible but it needs to be
organized under a company or some individual needs to be prepare to risk
legal actions as an individual (not recommended). We should respect the
wishes of the leaders of the previous now dead project and make sure to
use new threads and new project name for any new effort.
If anyone wants to do something and think they have the necessary
skills, please send me a mail or PM and we can see if there is a
potential to organize something. I don't want any mail/PM from people
who just want the final product but doesn't have the necessary technical
skills to do the work.
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Re: [slim] Comically Fumbled Squeezebox Replacement Thread - Would you be interested?
guidof wrote:
Absent any actual information, one can only speculate. But if Logitech
was not involved, then it would seem to be good PR for them to say so on
this forum.
This is a community forum, there have never been much official posts
from Logitech here, the most official posts you will see are those from
mherger, who has already said that he don't think Logitech is involved.
If you want me to speculate, the reason to not use the name of the old
dead project is just to avoid further legal actions towards the previous
members of that project, but this is just speculation.
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Re: [slim] Comically Fumbled Squeezebox Replacement Thread - Would you be interested?
castalla wrote: Are you wearing a 'disgruntled costume' in your avatar??!!! Ha ha. (Ask the SNL's father). Guido F. , not S. MUSIC ROOM: Marantz TT 15S1, Virtuoso Wood CartridgeART ADCVinyl Studio Vortexbox ApplianceDLink BridgeEthernetSqueezebox Touch/EDOBenchmark DAC2 D DSPeaker Antimode Dual Core DRC/EQ/Preamp+CIA PSMusic Reference RM-200 Mk II amp Martin Logan SL3 speakers REL T1 Sub BEDROOM: Squeezebox Touch (analog out)Little Dot Mk III ampAKG K701 headphones Sony D100 ampPSB alpha B1 speakers TREADMILL: FiiO X3 Digital Music PlayerAKG K550 headphones guidof's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=40448 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=103054 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Comically Fumbled Squeezebox Replacement Thread - Would you be interested?
pippin wrote: You are assuming that anyone from Logitech other than Michael has even looked at this forum over the last two years. I believe that assumption is wrong. To the contrary, I'd be willing to bet that nobody who matters in issues like this at Logitech is even aware of this whole discussion. ... Even if Michael is the only Logitech employee that has ever looked at this forum, that makes it at least one Logitech person who is aware of this discussion. It's not a discussion that looks like good PR for Logitech, no matter how large the company and how small the number of potentially disgruntled costumes. Guido F. MUSIC ROOM: Marantz TT 15S1, Virtuoso Wood CartridgeART ADCVinyl Studio Vortexbox ApplianceDLink BridgeEthernetSqueezebox Touch/EDOBenchmark DAC2 D DSPeaker Antimode Dual Core DRC/EQ/Preamp+CIA PSMusic Reference RM-200 Mk II amp Martin Logan SL3 speakers REL T1 Sub BEDROOM: Squeezebox Touch (analog out)Little Dot Mk III ampAKG K701 headphones Sony D100 ampPSB alpha B1 speakers TREADMILL: FiiO X3 Digital Music PlayerAKG K550 headphones guidof's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=40448 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=103054 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Comically Fumbled Squeezebox Replacement Thread - Would you be interested?
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Re: [slim] Comically Fumbled Squeezebox Replacement Thread - Would you be interested?
guidof wrote: Even if Michael is the only Logitech employee that has ever looked at this forum, that makes it at least one Logitech person who is aware of this discussion. It's not a discussion that looks particularly like good PR for Logitech, no matter how large the company and how small the number of potentially disgruntled costumers. Guido F. Are you wearing a 'disgruntled costume' in your avatar??!!! Touch - Muse M50 EX TPA3123 T-Amp Mini - Acoustics Q10 speakers Logitech Radio Logitech UE Smart Radio Raspberry Pi + Squeezeplug LMS + Squeezelite - Logitech Mini Boombox speaker (mothballed) Cubieboard + Debian 7 + LMS 7.8.1 + Squeezelite - Soundwave SW100 bluetooth speaker O2 Joggler + SqpOS + Aune X2 T-amp + Mordaunt Short ms-3.40 speakers IBOX + Debian 7 + LMS 7.8.1 + Squeezelite - Soundwave SW100 bluetooth speaker Squeeze2upnp - Sonos Play1 Vistron internet radio (Reciva) castalla's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15624 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=103054 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Comically Fumbled Squeezebox Replacement Thread - Would you be interested?
Those of you not involved in product design and delivery won't understand how complex a world it is these days. At almost every turn there is some form of consideration that you need legal and licensing agreement with, Just because you can build something from already available components, hardware or software doesn't mean that once built, you can then sell the end result. Just because, for example, you can buy a cheap DAC from a supplier in China, doesn't mean they have the license and the rights to sell it to you to include in another product. In the open source software arena, just because you can get Linux, Apache, Angular JS and a dozen other components which you can build into an application stack, doesn't then mean you can just call it open source and resell it with no consequences. Getting a product to market now, even as a community project has all sorts of risks, costs and due diligence. Thats why you see so many go to crowd funding. One of my current favorites due to ship anytime is the Dash Wireless headphones(*1), they raised over $3-million. I hope they've taken all the required steps, otherwise all their time, effort, design and IP could come to nothing when a company comes calling to tell you that the software, hardware or algorithm in your product violates their distribution, or worse patent. So, I have no idea what happened in this instance, but can tell folks that have never produced a product for sale, community, commodity or otherwise, there is much more to it than you'd imagine, and then there are people, their egos and feelings *1 https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/hellobragi/the-dash-wireless-smart-in-ear-headphones --- http://about.me/markcathcart Running a ReadyNAS NVX LMS Server, Logitech Media Server Version: 7.9.0 - 1423154751; Squeezebox Touch, Boom, Radio devices. Also using Squeezeplay on Windows 7 and Windows 8.1 cathcam's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=43414 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=103054 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Comically Fumbled Squeezebox Replacement Thread - Would you be interested?
The people/person who were initially involved in discussing this project here have asked that the discussion stop. Many of us would like to know about the status of the project and why the request for the cessation of discussion. There is nothing wrong with being curious, but after a bit it should just stop. If there at some point happen to be further developments perhaps they will become evident through a different venue than this forum. I would assume that anyone who had a vested interest in the project through either time or money have the means to discuss it outside this forum if they choose to do so. I am beginning to think that the folks who continually bring up this topic have a motive other than learning more about a potential new product. I do not mean to offend but that is what it has become to appear to me. The title of this thread has become real from the perspective that the continued discussion is comical. dasmueller's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=38035 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=103054 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
