Re: [slim] Another high end, wireless music option: BO A9
Nick_G wrote: a triumph of style over substance. Jeez, I don't get you guys here. BOs style is (part of) its substance. If its not your cup of tea, move on! If its some kind of ideological or political or other issue, I suggest you take it in a forum where such topics are discussed. bhaagensen's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7418 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97662 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Another high end, wireless music option: BO A9
Recoveryone wrote: I would not call it Highend from an audio stand point, . :) back to the ol' definition... From what I understand its a fine design. Actively driven with digital x-overs, powerful class D-amp and good driver specs. I wouldnt diregard it bearing in mind its inherent limitations. And no - BO is not my cup of tea either, but I have no problems seeing its qualities and while it isnt the top of the pops in fidelity, they certainly have made good-sounding systems. bhaagensen's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7418 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97662 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] iPeng, your iPhone Squeezebox Remote, gets even better with version 2.0!
Pippin - on my 3GS the albumcovers (in the new view- mode) appears quite pixelated, especially when zoomed into. are you aware of this? bhaagensen's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7418 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96749 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] iPeng, your iPhone Squeezebox Remote, gets even better with version 2.0!
The 2.04 update is really cool - thanks! iPeng vs. Controllere. iPeng - no doubt if its going to be a dedicated device. bhaagensen's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7418 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96749 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Moving on...
SlimChances wrote: I really can't fath om why people would want to destroy the experience of being away from civilization and in nature by bringing technology with them. I realize most of you don't understand my view point and say it can just be turned off. Maybe I don't understand, because you haven't written anything which actually *explains* your point - the why's and how's? Only given variation of the same negative *effect* - which essentially is that: the present now can't be enjoyed if one has access to a smart phone! Thats simply not true. Anyhow, while there certainly are interesting aspects to this discussion, its also sort of irrelevant. My kid has been playing with iPhone since two and her kindergarden have iPads and stuff - and its like this many places. Smart phones and such are as natural as a kettle of water to them. I'm convinced they won't be worse off than any other generation before them. bhaagensen's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7418 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96877 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Moving on...
But wether or not to act on the incoming or initiate outgoing is, when all comes to all, *always* your choice. bhaagensen's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7418 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96877 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Moving on...
SlimChances wrote: When I want to get away from technology I want to get away from it not just turn it off Sure - each to his/her own :) But thats different from how I read your previous posts which [to me] conveyed that the devices inherently and on their own are a hindrance to other experiences. bhaagensen's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7418 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96877 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Moving on...
The problem of disturbance free forest walks is often easily solved through a combination sparse antenna coverage and lousy transceivers in modern smart phones :) bhaagensen's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7418 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96877 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Moving on...
I'm with you with the tech. nature tracking :) But, ModelCitizen wrote: * To identify mushrooms sounds risky to me, unless you already really well know your way around mushrooms? bhaagensen's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7418 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96877 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Moving on...
Oh, and several other things such that your home is left without a music-system when your phone=you is not available for music-playback :) bhaagensen's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7418 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96877 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Moving on...
Also Im not reading you clear when you on one hand say you understand Logitech for leaving a product one can get for free, and on the other hand say that there *is* a market (for Sonos and such) to take over? bhaagensen's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7418 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96877 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Moving on...
Yes, I think I'm with you. Though I think you are overlooking one important aspect the Squeezebox-brand [had...]. Namely a unique status as a high-fidelity, high-quality, feature rich (almost complete), very reasonably priced streaming solution. Even with todays plethora of offerings, the competition isn't quite there yet. Some such as Naim, Linn and the big high-fi names are much more expensive, mainstream high-fi is not there yet as far as features and quality, Sonos is still low-res, etc. Squeezebox have (had) its foot solidly planted in the music/tech/high-fi communities - people where using Touches as sources in major $$$ systems and *everyone* agreed that they where that good - or one would at least, as the saying goes in high-fi, have to spend major $$$ to achieve better. The Boom/Radio where, for many, nice system-completing additions for streaming to the toilet and such places. As I said I dont think any other brand had such a good standing. Its all shattered and laying on the floor now though bhaagensen's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7418 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96877 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Moving on...
Future proof consumer electronics investments are perhaps best thought of as a lottery - it happens that they pay dividends as well as not. bhaagensen's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7418 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96877 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] How does Apple AirPlay compare to SqueezeBox in functionality?
iTunes Match supports ALAC. Airplay is LAN-only (for all intents and purposes) All Apple devices (Macs/iDevice/Apple TV/AE) all have digital outs (in some form). Streaming e.g. ALAC with Airplay and using digital outs *should* be bitperfect. bhaagensen's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7418 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96726 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] How does Apple AirPlay compare to SqueezeBox in functionality?
As far as Apple TV vs. SB goes, here are some personal specifics, divided into stuff one is good at and the other one not, and vice versa. Pro AE: - Fits perfectly into an Apple ecosystem including their cloud-services. - Streaming all kinds of sounds, videos and pictures from all kinds of Apple devices, is a breeze. This is important since most video- and music-services have apps or clients for said devices. This in addition to all other more random youtube, etc. content, one can pull of the big net. - Best-effort-kind-of-good SQ by using digital outputs into DACs etc (though opinions vary as to whether its bit perfect). This means that I think the quality is pretty good - wether or not its actually The Best Possible, is not that important - nor is it optimised with this in mind. - The way I use and think of it is, as as a means of getting a better viewing/listening experience than on the smaller device. Pro SB: - Bitperfect - High-res - WAN-streaming (without cloud-subscritions) - I can 100% manage my own library the old fashion way - no cloud stuff etc. - When up and running - its independent of computers/iDevices/etc. Its just good old high-fi with a thingy that happens to source over the network. So I use both as I believe they (in the present state) serve the same, but different purposes :) bhaagensen's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7418 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96726 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] iPeng, your iPhone Squeezebox Remote, gets even better with version 2.0!
garym: glad to see I'm not alone - at least in this thread. Lyrics is among my most used features - I've used it prior to the 2.0 upgrade, which makes it orders of magnitudes more useful. I'd claim its one of the few features which are truly new and only possible to implement in apps such as iPeng - most everything else is little more than cooking another bowl of soup off old bones. [OK, the app-stuff in iPeng is of the same caliber, but by far not as well integrated] bhaagensen's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7418 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96749 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] iPeng, your iPhone Squeezebox Remote, gets even better with version 2.0!
Yeah - not saying the lyrics nor the implementation is impossible to improve - its just so much better than it ever was. pippin has explained why the former is hard and for the latter I can see a point in that folks playing e.g. mostly instrumental music [classical etc] wouldn't have any use of it. But then why not just ignore that screen? Maybe the wrapping should be removed such that one doesn't get disoriented... bhaagensen's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7418 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96749 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] How does Apple AirPlay compare to SqueezeBox in functionality?
qirex wrote: the scenario of unlocking my phone, switching apps and then being able to do those basic operations is unacceptable. Thats not necessary when Airplaying using an iOS device. Volume is accessible through the hardware controls and basic controls accessible on the lock-screen (as in iPeng also). I think any app supporting Airplay must work like this... bhaagensen's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7418 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96726 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] iPeng, your iPhone Squeezebox Remote, gets even better with version 2.0!
pippin wrote: You need to enable preserve connection since you have to keep the App running or you can't control it. Suggestion: Could the preserve connection setting be reworked such that the setting only takes effect if the player (status) is on? If the player is off, it would make sense if iPeng dropped the connection [as usual] - this way one could avoid draining the battery if nothing is playing anyway...? I couldn't really figure out wether or not it actually works like this currently - I obviously think not... bhaagensen's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7418 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96749 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] iPeng, your iPhone Squeezebox Remote, gets even better with version 2.0!
Hi, been playing a bit with 2.0 and its really good! I really, really, really appreciate the new integrated lyrics feature! Also the way playback controls are now integrated in the browser part of iPeng is brilliant - very functional indeed. The design is also improved IMO - making the improvements worth a 2.0 major upgrade. Some parts are still a bit irky, but we'll get to that later. Thanks for the upgrade - long live the Squeezebox!!! :) bhaagensen's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7418 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96749 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] iPeng, your iPhone Squeezebox Remote, gets even better with version 2.0!
pippin wrote: Now that we've got lock-screen access that might no longer be required. Are the lock-screen controls supposed to work when using iPeng as a remote only [and not player]? They don't for me (and I thought due to the system-control integration being kind of a hack...) The album/track/etc info is there and sometimes even the cover, but none of the controls work. One more thing. I thought I saw something in the teaser thread about the cover size on the now playing screen being an option - I can't find it? Edit: Just to be clear - the controls work when iPeng is used as a player. Edit2: Using iOS 6 on a 3GS bhaagensen's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7418 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96749 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] How does Apple AirPlay compare to SqueezeBox in functionality?
With Airplay you will be able to relay/stream anything your Mac or iDevice can play. For what it does, I think its pretty good. bhaagensen's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7418 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96726 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] iPeng 2.0 Teaser Thread
pippin wrote: But since nobody asked, yet, it doesn't seem as important with the redesign, it used to be one of the most commonly asked questions in the past... I know, I know - must be coverflow...? Would still be a sweet addition :) bhaagensen's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7418 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96679 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Logitech finally redesigned their web site
Re: Horizontal scrolling. A bit usless now with only two models left in the lineup:) bhaagensen's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7418 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=95381 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Bad room size
What are the walls and ceiling made of? Even though you've covered the 80% of the floor, the rooms seems rather naked - a lot of hard surfaces. Try locating where the echoing is worst - clap hands and move about and install damping accordingly. If thats not enough, you have a good ceiling height, so it should be possible to install absorbers in the ceiling. Consider that you're lucky with no/little bass problems. Echoing from mid/high frequency reflections are easy to handle. bhaagensen's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7418 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=95218 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] listen to 'Guardian.co.uk' streaming Springsteen?
Atlantic;691618 Wrote: The UK's Guardian newspaper is streaming Bruce Springsteen's current album, through Soundcloud (I think). Thanks for the heads up. There is a Soundcloud plugin for the Squeezebox - check the plugins section in settings. Other than that, yesterdays track seems to be removed and todays' not up yet? -- bhaagensen bhaagensen's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7418 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=93695 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Logitech Airplay Speaker
DaveWr;690479 Wrote: Linn DS devices do it. Software only update. They have no special chips as they pre-date Airplay. Indeed a year ago they said they wouldn't support it. http://mafipulation.org/blagoblig/2011/04/08#shairport Well - as pr. andyg's post, Shairport is 3rd party and I suppose not at all endorsed by Apple. Its in your link - So I took it apart (I still have scars from opening the glued case!), dumped the ROM, and reverse engineered the keys out of it. Actually someone did some work on getting it working with the SB - I tried, but could never get it to work reliably. -- bhaagensen bhaagensen's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7418 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=93207 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Logitech Airplay Speaker
erland;690066 Wrote: But do you need the same device handle it ? Yes Ideally I'd prefer not to double the efforts of my SBs with an extra ATV/AE for each of my setups. Technicalities and all other issues aside [real as they may be], what Airplay does is something many are going to look for. From a user pov I think its rather good. But certainly not brilliant in any way. As I wrote earlier - my ideal world would contain an open server/client-architecture for sound systems implemented at the OS level on Win/Mac/Linux. Pulseaudio anyone? As for me, I'll resist for as long as I can - for audio, a simple 30$ Bluetooth receiver gets you most of the it (short on fidelity) and albeit in a more generic way - though the ATVs/AEs are going to look tempting every single day! -- bhaagensen bhaagensen's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7418 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=93207 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Logitech Airplay Speaker
andyg;690510 Wrote: And now you see why we cannot include it... Yes of course its not happening officially and with Shairport. But I know far from enough to understand why it so definitely could not be made/negotiated/licensed to happen in a future SB device? -- bhaagensen bhaagensen's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7418 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=93207 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Logitech Airplay Speaker
pippin;690524 Wrote: Yes, I believe. And similar addons exist for the SB, too. Are you sure its 3rd party - its prominently featuret on the official pages and no mention of 3rf party: http://news.linn.co.uk/news/2011/12/songcast-shares-it-all.php Btw. do you have the SB (shairport based) version reliably working? -- bhaagensen bhaagensen's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7418 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=93207 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Logitech Airplay Speaker
Sorry about a late reply... erland;688275 Wrote: So which system/company do you feel have a more promising future over the next 5 years so you would be prepared to put your money on it ? Don't know :) erland;688275 Wrote: The offerings from Apple certainly have their limitations at the moment, especially for advanced users or users with specific needs (like people that want HiFi quality), but as mentioned previously in the thread, most people don't care about these kind of features. So if I would mention companies that have the biggest potential to take over the market, Apple would be pretty high on that list, they would be in the top. Reason being that they have it all: - They have the backend music store - They are focused at usability and ease to use - They are able to produce high quality hardware in high quantities - They are inventive They will of course not manage to keep their high momentum in the long run, but if we look for the next 5 year period I honestly can't mention anyone else that looks more promising. However, things are likely going to change over time, we just don't know in what direction it will move and which company that will lead the change. I don't disagree as such, but I do not find it hard to argue against either. For the first two points - take e.g. Spotify. They deliver content and accompanying software for most platforms - and its easy to use. Right, they do not have a own hardware. But then there is Android. The number of Android based phones and tablets is growing and non-negligeble. And of course Windows 8-based units (due in 1/2 yrs) - if you believe Microsoft can ever do a comeback, this would be another threat. So I certainly don't mean Apple disappearing, but that there is room, and a likelihood, that the field will have other players, also in the next 5-yr period. In the longer run - who knows... Some (I think Arcam, Electroncompagninet, Audiolab), are selling DACs with a wireless interface to the computer sound-driver. Personally I hope this (at the moment specialized market/feature) will drive the development of a server/client architecture for sound-systems at the OS level. Kind of like Airplay at the OS level. Whats the status of Pulseaudio by the way? -- bhaagensen bhaagensen's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7418 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=93207 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Logitech Airplay Speaker
maggior;689973 Wrote: kids with an iPod or iPad that want to listen over speakers in their room, college kids looking to do the same, etc. Though I guess that limited audience is pretty large :-). The DK goverment has a goal of getting some 80 percent of the population through college, so that's a good start for Apple then :) But seriously. I love the SB for its advanced functionality, but I could certainly make use of easily being able to redirect the sounds from my fruits to the stereo. British hi-fi's such as Naim and Linn will certainly not switch to Airplay-only, but at the same time users are demanding Airplay as additional functionality and Linn already delivered and Naim promise to do within months. -- bhaagensen bhaagensen's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7418 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=93207 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Logitech Airplay Speaker
I agree things are looking fruity at the moment, but I think you are all assuming that Apple manages to maintain their [unrealistically?] high momentum in the long run - iPhone/iMac/Macbook/iPad/iPod. Though tempting, looking at the tech landscape, its not a horse I would put my own actual money on, over the run of, say, the next 5 years. Would you really? -- bhaagensen bhaagensen's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7418 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=93207 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Logitech Airplay Speaker
gruntwolla;686207 Wrote: . Looking at the manual, it is clearly aimed at owners of ios devices. For those people, LMS would just be a confusing distraction, so as it isn't mentioned, it won't be there. Though the ultimate conclusion may be right, I think you are overlooking the fact that many are using the very iPods, iPhones, and iPads to control LMS... -- bhaagensen bhaagensen's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7418 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=93207 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] feature suggestion: In-browser player
mfaine, I think it would be good if there was such a feature - it adds value to the whole experience. However I think time has caught up with the concept - 4 years ago I would have said YES. Nowadays there are too many other options for this to be worthwhile, I think. -- bhaagensen bhaagensen's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7418 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=92391 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Treble distortion
One thing to try is resetting the Xilinx. Dona search for the procedure - its something like holding 1 on the remote while plugging the device in. Fixed a similar problem with my SB3 once. -- bhaagensen bhaagensen's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7418 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=92130 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Transporter Problem
I've got both (SB3) - and in my experience the TP is more prone to issues when (un)powered. Id planned/hoped to keep it for many years, so please update the thread with any information you may receive. -- bhaagensen bhaagensen's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7418 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91408 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Transporter Problem
There is also a factory reset procedure which ones solved a similar problem for me. Cant remember the procedure, but I found it on the Logitech support pages. -- bhaagensen bhaagensen's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7418 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91408 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Apple's ALAC now open source!
Mnyb;665835 Wrote: But the fact remain no native ALAC for SB3 SB3 reciever or Boom is possible. (well it is possible if you throw out something else, like encryption for some services... ) AFAIR the ip3k-products have native support for a zillion funny codecs. I strongly suggest/hope Logitech could consider ditching some for the benefit of adding native ALAC! Seems much more useful, although I realize dropping support is bound to generate complaints for those (few???) who depend on them -- bhaagensen bhaagensen's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7418 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91185 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Apple's ALAC now open source!
sebp;666391 Wrote: - try removing FLAC support and I would force you eating an iPad So ? ;-) Send me (a working) one, and I shall - you'll just have to trust that I actually do ! My memory was off - I thought there were native support for more esoteric codecs. I wouldn't mind losing wma, but it would create havoc for the few who are using this thing called Internet radio :) Guess I'll have to turn to the Apple forums advocating Flac-support in iOS/OSX -- bhaagensen bhaagensen's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7418 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91185 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Good Squeezebox Server box (Atom D510) - Anyone want to buy?
Probably not interested, but whereabouts are you based. -- bhaagensen bhaagensen's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7418 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91247 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Squeezebox 3 and FLAC - 24bit96Khz or not?
Streaming to SB3 is downsampled to 24/48. -- bhaagensen bhaagensen's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7418 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=86015 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] 44.1 shows on DAC
AFAIK, that depends on whether its downsampling a 88 or 96kHz file. -- bhaagensen bhaagensen's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7418 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=85633 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] What happened to Inguz?
Its still possible to use Inguz. -- bhaagensen bhaagensen's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7418 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=85162 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Logitech Transporter issue
TheLastMan;602161 Wrote: I didn't know the Transporter had an issue with magnetism on the control knob. It must be significant if it was thought to be worth introducing a degaussing coil. I don't think the issue is more significant than in other such force-feedback systems? Its commonly used, at least. -- bhaagensen bhaagensen's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7418 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=84738 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Logitech Transporter issue
Btw. what version are you running? There where some improvements introduced at some point. But its a long time ago, so unless you are running a very old version, you probably have the fix. It can't be 100% eliminated. -- bhaagensen bhaagensen's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7418 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=84738 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Logitech Transporter issue
No, you're running the latest release - including the improvements made a long time ago [in this area]. Are we positively sure this is the cause? Try putting your ear close to the TP itself, and listen. As you say, hard to describe - but it should be distinguishable mechanical. If you're never heard it before now, its because you haven't noticed. It will run the degaussing-procedure from time to time - e.g. always on startup (but also at other times, I believe. Normally, it shouldn't do it continuously. -- bhaagensen bhaagensen's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7418 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=84738 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Fixed buffer?
I'd say it *is* fixed - but not user settable though. Parts of the delay is probably difficult to predict as it is related to networking. -- bhaagensen bhaagensen's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7418 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=84616 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Biography and Album Review: Problems connecting to All Music
+1 x :) -- bhaagensen bhaagensen's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7418 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=83160 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Sonos Wireless Dock
ericj;586159 Wrote: I suspect it uses airplay to stream, and is of limited quality, BUT, I suspect for many the convenience factor will be significant. I understood that they where using digital only in original resolution? -- bhaagensen bhaagensen's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7418 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=82988 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] iPhone Squeezebox control
+1 for iPeng -- bhaagensen bhaagensen's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7418 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=82273 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] SqueezeBox Classic and obsolescence
peterw;576232 Wrote: ...they're currently working on some user interface code improvements that target Boom/Classic/Transporter Interestring. Do you have a few more details on what these improvements are? -- bhaagensen bhaagensen's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7418 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=81961 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] recommendations for powered speakers with classic
socistep;570075 Wrote: One minor irritant I have with them is that they don't have a remote control for volume but they were probably designed more for being on a desk Nor do the AE's - if that is an issue. Normally, the Squeezebox's volume control should suffice, I guess. -- bhaagensen bhaagensen's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7418 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=81298 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Where are your CDs?
EdPell;561136 Wrote: I suppose they're put away somewhere - what have you stored them in? Do you often have to access them for one reason or another such as to load your vehicle's CD player? I've had them on remote storage for a couple of years and I've been happy with that. Though, I would have loved if space allowed to have them properly stored and easily accessible at home. Although most information can be found on the interweb, its just so much nicer to sit with the physical booklet while listening. -- bhaagensen bhaagensen's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7418 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=80369 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Using squeezebox v3 as an airport express
pvm4;568150 Wrote: The reason I'd like to go that route rather than using the squeezebox UI is that I have an iphone and there's a remote app that allows me to control itunes from my iphone. The SqueezeboxServer and Squeezebox can also be controlled using iPeng on the iPhone. No need for iTunes. -- bhaagensen bhaagensen's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7418 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=81094 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] SB html5 audio elements
I think I see the point - but I'm not sure how big of a difference it makes as of today. Squeezebox'es, and in particular the server, uses dedicated API's for accessing services such as Last.fm, Rhapsody, Pandora, etc. And the issues of A/V sync would still be there. -- bhaagensen bhaagensen's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7418 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=80885 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] SB html5 audio elements
Its somewhat possible to stream any sound the computer produces through its soundcard using the waveinput plugin. But you generally won't get A/V sync for things such as Youtube. -- bhaagensen bhaagensen's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7418 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=80885 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Squeezebox server upgrades on Unix or please give us a static link to download
A static link to the latest build or version would be nice, but http://downloads.slimdevices.com/nightly/ works perfectly fine in browsers such as lynx, links and such. Unless you are doing (scripted) automatic downloads/updates or other advanced things, this should solve your issues. -- bhaagensen bhaagensen's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7418 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=80375 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Active battery powered speakers?
plympton;560723 Wrote: Not sure how they sound, but Griffin makes some interesting stuff. Li-Ion speakers - might trade some sound quality for and huge increase in convenience. http://cgi.ebay.com/Griffin-Technology-Evolve-wireless-ipod-speaker-system-/170509842232?cmd=ViewItempt=Other_MP3_Player_Accessorieshash=item27b32db738#ht_8241wt_1082 Thanks. I'm sure these are much better soundq-wise, than what I ended up with (see next post). -- bhaagensen bhaagensen's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7418 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=80252 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Active battery powered speakers?
Hi all, thanks for all the answers. I've decided on one of the suggestions - the Altec Lansing Orbit. I'm reasonably satisfied. Its very portable - slightly bigger than what will fit in a normal-sized pocket. It runs on three AAA-batteries. Soundwise, its much better than the iPhone's builtin speaker and a bit better than an average laptop - in terms of quality as well as loudness. No special apple-dock, but connects via mini-jack. I did also listen to another similar speaker: http://www.retrevo.com/s/Cygnett-CY-3-BBR-Speakers-review-manual/id/23495dj082/t/1-2/ Its slightly smaller than the Orbit - it fits in a pocket (kind of). Uses a builtin non-replacable battery which is charged via a USB-connector. Sound is similar to the Orbit, but a bit brighter. At max-volume it sounds a bit better than the Orbit. Perhaps because it doesn't try to put out quite the same amount of bass as the Orbit - which on the other hand, at high volumes becomes extremely distorted in the bass. Anyway. I'm ready for the road :) -- bhaagensen bhaagensen's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7418 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=80252 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Active battery powered speakers?
Soulkeeper;560357 Wrote: Better sound quality may also be possible, but personally I haven't seen (heard) anything better in the Radio's price/size class. Slightly discouraging - but please do come with specific (brand/models) suggestions if something crosses someones mind. Soulkeeper;560357 Wrote: Remember the Radio has a bi-amped speaker, and a DSP which is probably quite optimally programmed to fit the acoustics of the physical box it's in. The sound is not bad at all, for such a small device. The Radio is not dissimilar to the Boom in this regard. Have a look at the 'Boom's white paper' (http://wiki.slimdevices.com/uploads/a/ad/Logitech_Squeezebox_Boom_Audio_Design.pdf). I was slightly disappointed by the sound of the Boom - I probably shouldn't have read the whitepaper before hearing it for the 1. time - expectations where probably too high. Though I would be happy with some powered speakers with the sound-q of the Boom if they where significantly cheaper. -- bhaagensen bhaagensen's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7418 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=80252 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Active battery powered speakers?
TiredLegs;560212 Wrote: There a lots of options for portable iPhone/iPod speaker systems. Thanks for the 'google'-words. While I've seen many iPhone/iPod-speakers, I simply wasn't aware that so many of them where also battery powered. In fact so many, that the problem is finding some which sound reasonable. I suspect the sound-q to vary greatly among models/brands. I hope someone has some specific suggestions which I could check out. I'll take a tour locally, but its also likely that buying online could get me a better deal - provided I know what to look for :) -- bhaagensen bhaagensen's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7418 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=80252 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Art Deco Squeezebox Project [Photos]
garym;560293 Wrote: very cool! Indeed -- bhaagensen bhaagensen's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7418 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=80168 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Active battery powered speakers?
simbo;560476 Wrote: The 'Altec Lansing iMT237 Orbit' (http://www.alteclansing.com/imt237-orbit-ultra-portable-music-speaker%20for-phones.html) seems to be getting good reviews at the moment, like this one in 'The Register' (http://www.reghardware.com/2010/06/28/ten_essential_travel_speakers/page5.html). And it's cheap (£15). Looks quite promising. Most reviews seeem very favourable - conidering price and size. I'll have a gloser look at them - thanks. -- bhaagensen bhaagensen's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7418 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=80252 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Active battery powered speakers?
TiredLegs;560212 Wrote: There a lots of options for portable iPhone/iPod speaker systems. What's your price range? And how does your plan involve Squeezeboxes? Cheap as can be done while: maintaining a sound-q much better than the iPhone and preferably also better than that of an average laptop and being portable enough for traveling locally and perhaps even non-locally (though not necessarily hiking). Until iPeng gains playback capability this system is maintained independently of the Squeezebox'es. I'm relying on the iPhone 3G capability for network connection while away. When/if iPeng can be used as a player I'll simply switch over. Shouldn't have any implications as far as this purchase goes. -- bhaagensen bhaagensen's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7418 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=80252 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Active battery powered speakers?
Soulkeeper;560237 Wrote: Buy a Squeezebox Radio and a battery if you can get your hands on it. The Radio can be used as an active speaker. There's even a cable bundled, so you can connect your iPhone to it. I had considered that - but thought/hoped that it would be possible to trade the rather advanced features of the Radio for something with better sound-q and lower price. Its a good idea though. -- bhaagensen bhaagensen's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7418 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=80252 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Active battery powered speakers?
Hi all, looking for cheap speakers as in subj. They also need to be fairly small/light, as I plan to use them as portable speakers for an iPhone - i.e. they must be equipped with a suitable analouge input-option. Any hints appreciated as I don't know of any alternatives. TIA, Bjørn -- bhaagensen bhaagensen's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7418 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=80252 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Where does the SB Duet find NRK shows?
steinarb;554537 Wrote: bhaagensen bhaagensen.4cfzfz1276343641 (AT) no-mx (DOT) forums.slimdevices.com: Afaik they use radiotime and their index. If you find anything missing or wrong you can visit www.radiotime.com and contact them directly. Thanx. I couldn't figure out how to add new shows, only new stations. But I've sent them an email and asked. I see. I have only noticed that they encourage users to provide station/channel/show-info - but I'm not familiar with the details of the actual process of doing so. Not sure to what extent they index individual shows - it looks like mostly stations/channels. But I'll guess you'll learn in due time. -- bhaagensen bhaagensen's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7418 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=79611 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Where does the SB Duet find NRK shows?
Afaik they use radiotime and their index. If you find anything missing or wrong you can visit www.radiotime.com and contact them directly. Bjørn -- bhaagensen bhaagensen's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7418 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=79611 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Transporter Bitrate Question
Its probably because wav by default is streamed as flac. To change: Go to Settings Advanced Filetypes and look up the setting for WAV. Then disable all but the PCM (builtin) entry. -- bhaagensen bhaagensen's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7418 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=79308 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] SB3 display dead. Logitech won't repair it... Even for a fee...
Ford Freak;550566 Wrote: I called support to see if they would be able to fix it. They said no because it isn't under warranty anymore. WTF!!! Has anybody else had this problem? The only thing he could do was offer 50% off a new product. I'm with you on being bummed that they can't fix it. But serisouly. Did they offer you a 50% discount on a new product because they couldn't fix a product that is out of warranty??? That sounds like too good a deal to be true... -- bhaagensen bhaagensen's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7418 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=79138 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] What product you'd like to see next
Full/better support for WAN streaming, in particular to mobile devices. Seriously, this is going to make life so much easier for me and many others, and its getting more and more feasible for each passing day. Its doable now by various workarounds, hacks, and such. But imagine a fully Squeeze-integrated, plug'n play solution giving access to ones entire library on the go. :):) Full support for WAN streaming to Squeeze*-devices is almost there, but a few improvements are needed security-wise. In particular encrypted authentication. Mobile devices, which is really the main point, is more difficult. Firstly, what devices to support. One alternative is to make their own 3G enabled version of the Controller. This probably is too complicated, as it would likely require data-plans, and what not. The second choice would be to develop clients for a few wisely chosen clients. Android and iPhone spring to mind :) Don't know whether its an option, but it would be cool if pippin and the other iPhone/Android-guys could be given resources to fully implement this. I have a dream, and this is it :) -- bhaagensen bhaagensen's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7418 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=78465 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] All this talk of low-power Atom . . . plugs that pretend to be computers . . .
Well, longer battery life, lower thermal signature and other feauteres desirable in small portable devices, could might as well be the main motivation for spending resources on Atom processors. -- bhaagensen bhaagensen's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7418 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77885 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Integration with DropBox
It just occurred to me, that this is a brilliant idea. Obviously, Dropbox is very nice being natively multiplatform (MAC, PC, Linux, Iphone, Blackberry, Android?) , webaccessible, general, extremely easy to use, free (limited), and I think fairly widespread. It would make portability a no-brainer and fulfills most all basic usability criterieas. But the really cool thing, is that it would also solve a problem that is old and well-known, and which I posted a query to yesterday: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=76487 I.e. temporarily adding music to be played on Squeezeboxes. Will you file an enhancement request in bugzilla. Otherwise I'll do it. People, VOTE for this!!! -- bhaagensen bhaagensen's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7418 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=76495 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Squeezeplay for Mac?
bobkoure;518550 Wrote: There's a build of squeezeslave for OSX. See this 'thread' (http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=63966). I believe the OP meant the jive-based Squeezeplay which is currently not available AFAIKS. I think there are some build-problems - see the development forum. That said, I do have a version running, which I think I downloaded from the nightly builds when the builds where working. If you need it, PM me. -- bhaagensen bhaagensen's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7418 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=75432 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Sonos is better than Squeezebox in Denmark...
JeffHart;518299 Wrote: After a pause she looked at the both of us and said But aren't they fattening?? She must also have memories of the incidence: two foreigners in white shirts and ties working for a company making pastries :) -- bhaagensen bhaagensen's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7418 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=75341 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Sonos is better than Squeezebox in Denmark...
pski;517726 Wrote: Does Sonos allow over-the-internet streaming to remote hardware? P I don't really know, but afaik they use upnp for accessing music on the external network and also need a single ethernet connection. With suitable port-forwarding etc. I see no reason this should/could not work. Perhaps others know for sure. -- bhaagensen bhaagensen's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7418 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=75341 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Sonos is better than Squeezebox in Denmark...
Justme;517707 Wrote: This point interests me, though I'm not entirely sure I understand exactly what he was saying here. I should emphasise that I don't really recall exactly what his issues where. The incentiment was that it is too complicated to be easy :S Not complicated as in incomprehensible, but rather as in 'this requires many user operations'. E.g. suppose you have three players already connected to local and remote servers and you do not know which is connected where. The goal is to have the three players play some given three tracks on given players. This takes quite some button pushing and wheel spinning to accomplish on the Duet - can't argue that. In addition is the whole challenge of understanding this eco-system of servers and players to begin with. Again not impossible for most, but you need to be willing to bother in a non-trivial way. The show is available online - albeit in danish of course... -- bhaagensen bhaagensen's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7418 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=75341 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Sonos is better than Squeezebox in Denmark...
slate;517786 Wrote: For your entertainment http://www.dr.dk/dr2/soeinding About the drifting with multiple players - There is no doubt that he (Sonne) is an iSheap and as such his music would not be in FLAC, but rather ALAC/MP3. But why should the music format have an affect?! yes if a non-native format the server will have to convert; but that is hopefully only done once before streaming. so?! Not sure about the status of ALAC, but mp3 should work. Synch seems to work fine for most. I guess he was just unlucky. IMO he could have mentioned something like this instead of only relying on his own experience. -- bhaagensen bhaagensen's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7418 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=75341 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Sonos is better than Squeezebox in Denmark...
Kuben72;517950 Wrote: IMO he nailed the biggest problem of SB on the dot: The way to accomplish synchronisation between 2 or more players is too difficult. Without the use of Eric Koldingers Synchronizer-plugin it is beyond what a standard user can figure out. Or iPeng which is very good at this - but of course requires iPhone/Touch. But you're right. Before I got this I almost never used synch - too cumbersome (and I don't really need it that bad) -- bhaagensen bhaagensen's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7418 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=75341 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Itunes Genius how can I have it in my sueezebox
Its possible. Search the forums for 'musicip'. Its not trivial to set up - but not impossible either. Again, search forum. -- bhaagensen bhaagensen's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7418 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=75367 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Sonos is better than Squeezebox in Denmark...
Aslak3;517971 Wrote: I don't agree with this this? Sync is straightforward both from the SBS interface and from the SB itself. At least with 2 players as I've never had the opportunity to sync 2 SB. Its cumbersome, for a number of reasons: - Syncing 2 is fiddly, as others have pointed out. - There is no clear clues as to what the semantics is. Is sync, 'to' or 'from', or... The only way to know is to learn by doing and memorize it. - When a sync group is set up, you still have to remember which one is the 'to', when you want to change tracks etc. - Volume is either absolutely synced, or not at all. iPeng allows for arbitrary level sync while maintaining easy access to individual volumes. - If players are connected to different sources, be it SqueezeboxServers, or Squeezenetwork, even more footwork is required. Agreed, this is not impossible, but it is unnecessarily complicated. -- bhaagensen bhaagensen's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7418 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=75341 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Sonos is better than Squeezebox in Denmark...
pski;518008 Wrote: At any rate, sync in itself wouldn't prompt me to pay double for Sonos. p Me netiher. I'm just saying I sympathise with the POV. Especially after trying this on Sonos and getting used to iPeng. -- bhaagensen bhaagensen's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7418 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=75341 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Sonos is better than Squeezebox in Denmark...
Hi, The Danish national radio and television network, DR, just featured a review/comparison of Sonos vs. Squeezebox in their gadget-review program So Ein Ding. In conclusion the Squeezebox got 4 stars and Sonos 5 (out of max. 6). As for the Squeezeboxe's, he featured the Duet, Radio, and Boom. Basically the main objections towards Squeezebox was: - Multiroom functionality was deemed unconditionally cumbersome using the Controller. He did mention that iPeng improved on this, but also remarked that it is a 3rd party app. Apparently he did have some issues with synch drifting. - Setup, while not overly diffecult, still more so than with Sonos. - User interface, e.g. Controller, is fiddly. - Mysqueezebox.com/Squeezeboxserver - The combination of multiple sources and the point made on how multiple devices are used made him conclude that this entire X * Y number of combinations is cumbersome. - Lots of bloat: Too many settings, facebook, etc. Sonos was mainly critisised on two points: - No podcast streaming. - Price. Bear in mind this was a show on the national network, which means one can only assume where little technical knowledge on the audience. I must say I agree with him though. Its kind of a shame because the nationally broadcasted show is quite popular and will probably mean that Squeezebox will remain viewed upon as the choice for nerds who enjoy technology for the sake of technology, and Sonos for those who just want a streamer that works out of the box. -- bhaagensen bhaagensen's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7418 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=75341 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Sonos is better than Squeezebox in Denmark...
maggior;517680 Wrote: I wonder what version of squeezecenter he was using and what kinds of files (mp3 vs. FLAC). I'm running 7.3.3 and sync multiple players playing FLAC files for hours on end with no trouble or issues with drift. He didn't say, but he had the Radio, so that implies a reasonably recent version. maggior;517680 Wrote: ...or have a large amount of disposable income available. The Sonos system is too expensive to me as well as for others I suspect. Yes, it's too bad the squeezebox didn't have a better showing, but it wasn't totally panned based on what you said. Sometimes any publicity is good publicity. Certainly, and the rating - 4 vs. 5 - reflects that. Its just that when there are only two contestants, there is no such thing as a (good) second place - winner and looser. That said, the reason he had only those two on show, was that they are the best available offers of that type to begin with. -- bhaagensen bhaagensen's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7418 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=75341 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Squeezebox Classic (SB3) distorts on max. vol.
Hi, my SB3 has recently started to distort really bad when the volume is turned high up. I have NO idea why. Here are the relevant facts (that I can think of): -No transcoding, crossfading etc. -Distortion occurs on flac and mp3. -Duet and TP on same network does not do this. -Started to occur recently. -Speakers/amp sounds fine if SB3 volume is at e.g. 70 and I turn up the amp I tried recording the distortion on my internal laptop mic. Not good. But I uploaded it anyway. The first 15 sec. showcases the distortion, the last part, how it should sound. http://dl.dropbox.com/u/110443/Lydoptagelse%203.mp3 Advice highly appreciated. Bjørn -- bhaagensen bhaagensen's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7418 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=75011 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Squeezebox Classic (SB3) distorts on max. vol.
Mnyb: That seems to have done the job. Thanks. I should have thought of this; seems almost like the unsolvable problems are the best ones, because those are the ones the infamous 'xilnix'-reset often takes care of :) -- bhaagensen bhaagensen's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7418 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=75011 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Dropping support for previous hardware ?
So 7.5 embedded aka. TinySC will not support SLIMp3 nor SB1. The wiki-page says that 7.5 embedded will eventually be merged with the mainline code. Does that imply that SLIMp3/SB1 support will be dropped as of that version? -- bhaagensen bhaagensen's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7418 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=74847 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Dropping support for previous hardware ?
aubuti: I missed that... somehow. Thanks. -- bhaagensen bhaagensen's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7418 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=74847 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] The competition is catching up and some surpassing Squeezebox...fast!
pablolie;510951 Wrote: so i think the basic architecture of some systems is flawed by trying to be some sort of new appliance that replicates functionality that is available elsewhere, and includes areas of expertise that are alien to audio vendors (why on earth should they design a better computer than established computer vendors)? Sorry, but I don't think this argument holds water. It is assuming everyone can be bothered to: buy, own, maintain, pay for, allocate space for, have some remote interest in - a server. I doubt that is the case for the general public - at least not to an extent where it makes sense to rule out the option. -- bhaagensen bhaagensen's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7418 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=74510 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] The competition is catching up and some surpassing Squeezebox...fast!
aubuti: Indeed, and I somewhat agree with you in that there, for all practical intents and purposes, currently are several market-segments for these things. However at the end of the day I don't think they are that different. I'm a computer scientist, and I do have a server doing various things. But I must admit that I would happily bin it if I could get the job done by plug'n play devices. Though this is not going to happen tomorrow, there is no reason it can/will not become reality in the forseeable future. Of course, this excludes the segment of those that likes tinkering for the sake of tinkering. But there are plenty offerings for those already. IMO. -- bhaagensen bhaagensen's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7418 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=74510 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] The competition is catching up and some surpassing Squeezebox...fast!
autopilot;510633 Wrote: Other than Squeezebox, the only other systems worth buying are Sonos, Linn and maybe Naim. The latter two concentrate on audio quality, they dont seem interested in multi-room, decent UI design or online services etc. Which is fair enough if thats the area they work in. As far as Naim goes, I think you are wrong in some of those assumption. Have you heard of NaimNet? http://www.naimnet.com/ -- bhaagensen bhaagensen's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7418 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=74510 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] TCP/IP and S/PDIF protocols
TCP/IP as a replacement for S/PDIF is IMO not going to happen in forseeable future. If you want a solution to the jitter problem by protocol, have a look at asynchronous USB which some claim is gaining some popularity. -- bhaagensen bhaagensen's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7418 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=74341 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Transporter Vs Naim DAC with Duet
ASenna04;508855 Wrote: Thanks all for your comments. So if I do go the Naim DAC route (seems likely), then I might replace the duet with the Touch. You value sound-quality, hence choose the alternative with the best (for you) price/performance ratio, the Touch. That't not complicated :) Or if you want the very best from the two worlds, keep your TP as a digital source if funds allow. Both makes much sense to me. There is another aspect which seems to escape many. As you said, many seem to be of the opinion that the CDX2-2 is a better sounding transport than say a CD5XS. Fine. Suppose you accept that. Its at a truly high cost, but still... At the same time many (the same?) including Naim officially I think, argue that the HDX sounds better because it provides better data reading (rips) as it doesn't have to be done under the same almost-realtime restrictions as a cd-transport. For all intents and purposes I don't think the HDX does much else than EAC or dpPoweramp. Hence by using the Squeezebox as a transport you would get better source material to start with. Whether this would make up for whatever the CDX2-2 could improve on the transport side I have no idea, but this must be accounted for if you want to follow these arguments. Anyway, we need to try for ourselves I think. -- bhaagensen bhaagensen's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7418 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=74249 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Transporter Vs Naim DAC with Duet
ASenna04;508451 Wrote: bhaagensen, You make important points here. If the DAC does indeed render all reasonable quality digital sources equal, then why would Naim market to sell it with the new CDX2-2 (with S/PDIF) when a CD5XS would be sufficient? ASenna04 Just because its there doesn't mean it must be used cf. eg. RCA connectors on most new Naim gear. It could simply be a measure towards interoperatibiliby in general. But I agree its a good question. As for your original question I'm fairly sure you would prefer the DAC over the TP, all else being equal. The Naim sound is distinctively lively (or musical or whatever one prefers to call it) compared to the rather neutral TP. Hence the DAC is likely to provide better system synergy - or in plain words, a more complete Naim-sound. This was thoroughly confirmed for me when I tested the TP and the CD5x. Mind you, I also think that at this level, we are talking in subtle differences where the end-result depends equally much on caring for details all the way through the replay chain including room accoustics. But you knew that :) -- bhaagensen bhaagensen's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7418 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=74249 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Transporter Vs Naim DAC with Duet
I agree. As for my reference to the listening test of the TP versus the Naim CD5x I am not implying the latter is superior by any notion of absolute measure. I should also emphasise that I suspect the Naim DAC is better than the TP in the context of a Naim system, in case it was not clear. -- bhaagensen bhaagensen's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7418 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=74249 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Transporter Vs Naim DAC with Duet
ModelCitizen;508529 Wrote: Funny, I find at the is level it's very hard to quantify the audible difference at all. For me the hard part is getting grips on what it is that is good, bad, or doesn't matter (that much). Also, many of the quality-measures one can listen for appear, for all intents and purposes, to be contradictory. -- bhaagensen bhaagensen's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7418 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=74249 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Transporter Vs Naim DAC with Duet
Is it called reclocking? The idea used by Naim is really simple and elegant - the only downside being that it doesn't really warrant a fancy naim :) Buffering in a 'time-independet' way, really describes well all they are doing. Anyway. Its up to everyone to trust in what is written or not, but the whitepaper quite well describes the design of the DAC. Personally I find it highly unlikely that Naim would publish a whitepaper in the name of the designers with false claims regarding the technical implementations used in the DAC. As for the OP's question I have not yet heard the DAC. I will do so in a bit more than one weeks time. Though this time not directly against the TP. I did however very recently have a chance to compare the TP directly against a CD5x. I wrote a longish report on a Danish forum, but the short story is that the TP does not quite cut it against a CD5x. Initial reports regarding the merits of the DAC relative to Naim's own line of cd-players may at this time be influenced by initial excitement, but still I expect the DAC to perform at least as well as a CD5x - whence the answer to your question follows... -- bhaagensen bhaagensen's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7418 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=74249 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Transporter Vs Naim DAC with Duet
ASenna04;508100 Wrote: I think that will make the Transporter and Duet sound the same. If they do then the only advantage Transporter has is High Resolution music files. Indeed. And on the Naim-forum I've in fact been posing the challenge that the DAC should render all reasonable quality digital sources equal. Obviously being in the world of hi-fi and audiophiles, this is met with... lets say some skepticism. Anyway, as long as I haven't heard the DAC myself I can't really argue that some claims audible differences between transports. If however it turns out to be in line with my own observation, I'm really eager to investigate how this can happen. The Naim DAC is, I would say, by design rather than by clever algorithms jitter free (as far as spdif introduced jitter goes) given reasonable assumptions. -- bhaagensen bhaagensen's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7418 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=74249 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Transporter Vs Naim DAC with Duet
Also I belive TP-user 'davebk' has one on order. So perhaps look out for new postings from that side. -- bhaagensen bhaagensen's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7418 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=74249 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
