Re: [slim] Can iPeng or Squeezepad integrate/control MOG or Spotify?

2014-01-26 Thread RioTubes

So the NAD D7050 arrived and I've got it working a few ways:

- with the iPad Air plugged into the D7050 Dock via stock lightning
connector. LMS is installed on a win7 PC. This is the only way that I've
been able to play 24/96 material (at least I'm hearing the tracks; I
don't know if it's down sampling)

- using DLNA I'm controlling playback via JRemote on my iPad with a win7
PC with JRiver installed to manage the music library. This has been the
most convenient method, but it doesn't want to play 24/96 material.

Now for my question related to iPeng-player. I bought this in-app
purchase but can't find it in the iPeng app or LMS. Where do I find it,
and how do I configure it? Ultimately, I want to use the iPad as the
player so that I can stream tracks to the D7050 which is capable of
AirPlay.



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Re: [slim] Can iPeng or Squeezepad integrate/control MOG or Spotify?

2014-01-26 Thread pippin

RioTubes wrote: 
 
 - with the iPad Air plugged into the D7050 Dock via stock lightning
 connector. LMS is installed on a win7 PC. This is the only way that I've
 been able to play 24/96 material (at least I'm hearing the tracks; I
 don't know if it's down sampling)
 
What do you use as a player, if it's not iPeng?

 
 Now for my question related to iPeng-player. I bought this in-app
 purchase but can't find it in the iPeng app or LMS. Where do I find it,
 and how do I configure it? Ultimately, I want to use the iPad as the
 player so that I can stream tracks to the D7050 which is capable of
 AirPlay.
When you are connected to your LMS in iPeng it should show up as a
player in the list of players. The one you get when tapping the player
name (or no player found message) at the bottom left in iPeng 7.

Or do I misunderstand your question?



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Re: [slim] Can iPeng or Squeezepad integrate/control MOG or Spotify?

2014-01-26 Thread RioTubes

pippin wrote: 
 What do you use as a player, if it's not iPeng?

Sorry, I'm using iPeng when using the iPad Dock. I inadvertently left
that out of the description.


pippin wrote: 
 When you are connected to your LMS in iPeng it should show up as a
 player in the list of players. The one you get when tapping the player
 name (or no player found message) at the bottom left in iPeng 7.
 
 Or do I misunderstand your question?

What I didn't realize was that I needed to tap the AirPlay button on the
iPad volume panel to get music to play on the NAD instead of the iPad. I
got it working using iPeng (streaming to the NAD D7050 using AirPlay)!
Yet, it wants to skip forward 2 tracks midway through a song (about 30
secs into the track). Recall that LMS and my music library are 100 feet
away on a win7 PC. It seems to play all the way through the 2nd track
once it skips, but this happened on 4 of 5 albums and select a track.



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Re: [slim] Can iPeng or Squeezepad integrate/control MOG or Spotify?

2014-01-26 Thread pippin

RioTubes wrote: 
 
 What I didn't realize was that I needed to tap the AirPlay button on the
 iPad volume panel to get music to play on the NAD instead of the iPad.
 
Ah. It's connected through AirPlay?
 
 I got it working using iPeng (streaming to the NAD D7050 using AirPlay)!
 Yet, it wants to skip forward 2 tracks midway through a song (about 30
 secs into the track). Recall that LMS and my music library are 100 feet
 away on a win7 PC. It seems to play all the way through the 2nd track
 once it skips, but this happened on 4 of 5 albums and select a track.
Hm. All of that bridged through WiFi? That could cause quite a bit of
network congestion.
If both the PC and the NAD are connected through WiFi then you are
having no less than FOUR lossless streams (PC-router, router-iPad,
iPad-router (AirPlay), router-NAD) going through WiFi and if that
network has to cross a long range then it will probably also take a bit
of a hit through weak reception.



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Re: [slim] Can iPeng or Squeezepad integrate/control MOG or Spotify?

2014-01-26 Thread RioTubes

pippin wrote: 
 Ah. It's connected through AirPlay?
 
 Hm. All of that bridged through WiFi? That could cause quite a bit of
 network congestion.
 If both the PC and the NAD are connected through WiFi then you are
 having no fewer than FOUR lossless streams (PC-router, router-iPad,
 iPad-router (AirPlay), router-NAD (AirPlay)) going through WiFi and if
 that network has to cross a long range then it will probably also take a
 bit of a hit through weak reception.

Yes, I'm amazed it even works! I will probably end up hard wiring the
NAD back to the router. The PC is connected to the router via Ethernet
which are only a few feet apart, but the NAD is a good 100 feet away.
Thanks for your help!



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Re: [slim] Can iPeng or Squeezepad integrate/control MOG or Spotify?

2014-01-20 Thread RioTubes

pippin wrote: 
 
 iPeng can play 24/96, and it will also output 24/96 through USB if (and
 that's a big if) your dock supports it.
 

Thanks, this is what I was after.

One other Q. My understanding is that iPad Air (iOS 7) does not support
AptX Bluetooth. Is hardware required, or does iPeng 7 Player support
AptX? Ultimately, I plan to stream to my iPad Air from server via
LMS/iPeng and then stream from iPad to receiver via AirPlay and/or aptX
(the receiver supports both). 

Regarding the exchange above regarding the dock, my understanding is
that my receiver (NAD D 7050) is capable of 24/96 via its USB dock
(type A USB connector) from iPad Air.



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Re: [slim] Can iPeng or Squeezepad integrate/control MOG or Spotify?

2014-01-20 Thread pippin

RioTubes wrote: 
 My understanding is that iPad Air (iOS 7) does not support AptX
 Bluetooth. Is hardware required, or does iPeng 7 Player support AptX?
 
Neither. The Bluetooth stack needs to support the codec. Apps can't
change Apple's Bluetooth stack so if iPad doesn't support the codec, you
can't use it.

 
 Ultimately, I plan to stream to my iPad Air from server via LMS/iPeng
 and then stream from iPad to receiver via AirPlay and/or aptX (the
 receiver supports both). 
 
Don't know about AptX but please be aware that AirPlay only supports
16/48 so if you use AirPlay, iOS will downsample your stream to that
(the 16 bit don't hurt as much as with other transmissions because
volume will be sent separately). The stream uses lossless ALAC.

 
 Regarding the exchange above regarding the dock, my understanding is
 that my receiver (NAD D 7050) is capable of 24/96 via its USB dock
 (type A USB connector) from iPad Air.
Well, the iPad doesn't have a USB port so you need a Lightning-to-USB
adaptor. Also, the iPad has to act as a USB host. Lightning generally
supports that but whether your DAC is compatible is something I don't
know. AFAIK the DAC needs to be part of Apple's MFI program for that.

With the old iPads you could use the CCK but I am not sure that will
still work to full resolution (it might, I just don't know) since you
would put up quite an adapter stack (Lightning-30-Pin-USB).



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Re: [slim] Can iPeng or Squeezepad integrate/control MOG or Spotify?

2014-01-20 Thread RioTubes

pippin wrote: 
 AirPlay only supports 16/48 so if you use AirPlay, iOS will downsample
 your stream to that (the 16 bit don't hurt as much as with other
 transmissions because volume will be sent separately). The stream uses
 lossless ALAC.

OK, most of my library is 16/44 so this will work.

pippin wrote: 
 
 Well, the iPad doesn't have a USB port so you need a Lightning-to-USB
 adaptor. Also, the iPad has to act as a USB host. Lightning generally
 supports that but whether your DAC is compatible is something I don't
 know. AFAIK the DAC needs to be part of Apple's MFI program for that.

The manual says applicable for direct playback of iOS device only. 
Using applicable Apple USB connector, connect your device to this
input. I just assumed that the lightning cable will work since it has a
USB connector on one end.



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Re: [slim] Can iPeng or Squeezepad integrate/control MOG or Spotify?

2014-01-20 Thread pippin

Hm, that does at least definitely sound like they are part of the MFI
program.
How old is the device?



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Re: [slim] Can iPeng or Squeezepad integrate/control MOG or Spotify?

2014-01-20 Thread Mnyb

Ok if AirPlay only support 16/48 what does it do with 16/44.1 content ?




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Re: [slim] Can iPeng or Squeezepad integrate/control MOG or Spotify?

2014-01-20 Thread pippin

16/48 is the maximum, everything having higher sample rates will get
downsampled.
16/44.1 will be left as it is.

That said If your AirPlay receiver is an AppleTV which only has an
HDMI output which only supports 16/48, the 44.1 material will obviously
get upsampled by the AppleTV.



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Re: [slim] Can iPeng or Squeezepad integrate/control MOG or Spotify?

2014-01-20 Thread RioTubes

The NAD D 7050 came out this past summer 2013. Although it's on back
order, I think the iDevice dock will be one way to stream 24/96. It also
is UPnP compliant. But the UPnP controllers are no iPeng! So I will use
iPeng with AirPlay or the dock for 16/44 material, which is 99% of my
library.



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Re: [slim] Can iPeng or Squeezepad integrate/control MOG or Spotify?

2014-01-18 Thread RioTubes

Can iPeng 7 Player (in app purchase) using iPad Air stream 24/48 or
24/96 using iPad usb cable to a 24/96 capable receiver with iDevice dock
source input?



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Re: [slim] Can iPeng or Squeezepad integrate/control MOG or Spotify?

2014-01-18 Thread pippin

What do you mean by input?
Both play 24/96, I can't tell what SqueezePad actually outputs but iPent
will also output 24/96 through USB if (and that's a big if) your dock
supports it.

With old iPads you had to use the Camera Connection Kit for this, with
new ones you need CCK or a dock that natively supports the Lightning
connector. I've seen a few (Zeppelin Air seem to be one, for example)
recently but they are still pretty rare.

Old docks will make the iPad (not iPeng) downsample the audio to 24/48.



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Re: [slim] Can iPeng or Squeezepad integrate/control MOG or Spotify?

2013-12-31 Thread RioTubes

pippin wrote: 
 Yes, that works (with both Apps). The one thing that does NOT work is
 saving stuff as Spotify playlists but you can have mixed playlists with
 music from all kinds of music and save them in Logitech Media Server for
 later use.
 
 You can queue up albums and songs just as you like.
 
 If you asked this question on facebook, too, then the additional answer
 would be that yes, also streaming on from the iPad through AirPlay will
 work. The only limitations are that
 
 a) The playback functionality is an additional In-App-Purchase (in both
 iPeng and SqueezePad)
 b) For Spotify you will need the 3rd Party Spotify plugin for LMS. It
 can be installed through Settings-Plugins in the LMS web interface
 and has a long support thread here under 3rd party software.
 
 Also, don't expect magic if it comes to synchronization with
 Squeezeboxes if you use AirPlay. It's gotten better in iPeng since we
 included automatic latency compensation but as of my experience it's
 still not good enough to run two different devices in the same room. It
 might be OK in different rooms, though.
 
 If you want to know more about iPeng 7 then have a look at this thread,
 too
 http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?100478-Leak-iOS-7
 
 Or, of course, my blog
 http://penguinlovesmusic.de/twitter-discuss-it-all/

So I am in AppStore, and wondering which version to download for use
with iPad: iPeng for iPad or iPeng 7?

I don't have any SB units running at this time. 
I plan to use iPeng-player via in-app purchase and try to stream to the
NAD D7050 via aptX, AirPlay or docked iPad (if wireless does not work
well).

Thanks for the feedback



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Re: [slim] Can iPeng or Squeezepad integrate/control MOG or Spotify?

2013-12-31 Thread Steve Baumgarten
I believe iPeng 7 is a universal app, so if you're running iOS 7 that's the way 
to go. It's great as a controller and even better when you add the in-app 
playback to turn it into a full fledged Squeezebox player.  

SBB

 On Dec 31, 2013, at 2:41 PM, RioTubes 
 riotubes.678...@no-mx.forums.slimdevices.com wrote:
 
 
 pippin wrote: 
 Yes, that works (with both Apps). The one thing that does NOT work is
 saving stuff as Spotify playlists but you can have mixed playlists with
 music from all kinds of music and save them in Logitech Media Server for
 later use.
 
 You can queue up albums and songs just as you like.
 
 If you asked this question on facebook, too, then the additional answer
 would be that yes, also streaming on from the iPad through AirPlay will
 work. The only limitations are that
 
 a) The playback functionality is an additional In-App-Purchase (in both
 iPeng and SqueezePad)
 b) For Spotify you will need the 3rd Party Spotify plugin for LMS. It
 can be installed through Settings-Plugins in the LMS web interface
 and has a long support thread here under 3rd party software.
 
 Also, don't expect magic if it comes to synchronization with
 Squeezeboxes if you use AirPlay. It's gotten better in iPeng since we
 included automatic latency compensation but as of my experience it's
 still not good enough to run two different devices in the same room. It
 might be OK in different rooms, though.
 
 If you want to know more about iPeng 7 then have a look at this thread,
 too
 http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?100478-Leak-iOS-7
 
 Or, of course, my blog
 http://penguinlovesmusic.de/twitter-discuss-it-all/
 
 So I am in AppStore, and wondering which version to download for use
 with iPad: iPeng for iPad or iPeng 7?
 
 I don't have any SB units running at this time. 
 I plan to use iPeng-player via in-app purchase and try to stream to the
 NAD D7050 via aptX, AirPlay or docked iPad (if wireless does not work
 well).
 
 Thanks for the feedback
 
 
 
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Re: [slim] Can iPeng or Squeezepad integrate/control MOG or Spotify?

2013-12-31 Thread SamS

RioTubes wrote: 
 So I am in AppStore, and wondering which version to download for use
 with iPad: iPeng for iPad or iPeng 7?
 
 I don't have any SB units running at this time. 
 I plan to use iPeng-player via in-app purchase and try to stream to the
 NAD D7050 via aptX, AirPlay or docked iPad (if wireless does not work
 well).
 
 Thanks for the feedback

You want iPeng 7.  It is the latest version, and compatible with both
iPhone/iPad.



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Re: [slim] Can iPeng or Squeezepad integrate/control MOG or Spotify?

2013-12-31 Thread pippin

iPeng 7. It's cheaper and newer.
Only exception: you still have an iPad one limited to iOS5



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Re: [slim] Can iPeng or Squeezepad integrate/control MOG or Spotify?

2013-12-31 Thread Grumpy Bob

pippin wrote: 
 iPeng 7. It's cheaper and newer.
 Only exception: you still have an iPad one limited to iOS5

I use both Squeezepad and iPeng as controllers and players. On my iPad
3, I prefer iPeng 7 - it has a lovely clean interface. on my old iPad 1,
where the choice is between the older iPeng and Squeezepad, I much
prefer Squeezepad, as I think it's UI is better and easier to use. But
of course, all three work fine for my purposes.

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[slim] Can iPeng or Squeezepad integrate/control MOG or Spotify?

2013-12-28 Thread RioTubes

I'm thinking about purchasing one of these apps, and want to know if
iPeng or SqueezePad can integrate/control MOG or Spotify, similar to how
Sonos can. Thanks for you help!



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Re: [slim] Can iPeng or Squeezepad integrate/control MOG or Spotify?

2013-12-28 Thread bluegaspode

RioTubes wrote: 
 I'm thinking about purchasing one of these apps, and want to know if
 iPeng or SqueezePad can integrate/control MOG or Spotify, similar to how
 Sonos can. Thanks for you help!

Both Apps present the menus with the same content as they are shown on
your Squeezeboxes.



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Re: [slim] Can iPeng or Squeezepad integrate/control MOG or Spotify?

2013-12-28 Thread RioTubes

Thanks! Presently, I don't have a SB setup. Is there a MOG (or Spotify)
search field on the iPeng/SqueezePad app? Can one save MOG tracks or
albums to a iPeng que or playlist? Sorry for the rudimentary questions.



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Re: [slim] Can iPeng or Squeezepad integrate/control MOG or Spotify?

2013-12-28 Thread mherger

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Re: [slim] Can iPeng or Squeezepad integrate/control MOG or Spotify?

2013-12-28 Thread pippin

RioTubes wrote: 
 Thanks! Presently, I don't have a SB setup. Is there a MOG (or Spotify)
 search field on the iPeng/SqueezePad app? Can one save MOG tracks or
 albums to a iPeng que or playlist? Sorry for the rudimentary questions.

Yes, that works (with both Apps). The one thing that does NOT work is
saving stuff as Spotify playlists but you can have mixed playlists with
music from all kinds of music and save them in Logitech Media Server for
later use.

You can queue up albums and songs just as you like.

If you asked this question on facebook, too, then the additional answer
would be that yes, also streaming on from the iPad through AirPlay will
work. The only limitations are that

a) The playback functionality is an additional In-App-Purchase (in both
iPeng and SqueezePad)
b) For Spotify you will need the 3rd Party Spotify plugin for LMS. It
can be installed through Settings-Plugins in the LMS web interface
and has a long support thread here under 3rd party software.

Also, don't expect magic if it comes to synchronization with
Squeezeboxes if you use AirPlay. It's gotten better in iPeng since we
included automatic latency compensation but as of my experience it's
still not good enough to run two different devices in the same room. It
might be OK in different rooms, though.



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Re: [slim] Can iPeng or Squeezepad integrate/control MOG or Spotify?

2013-12-28 Thread RioTubes

Thanks so much! Sounds like I can accomplish what I want with iPeng!



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