Fahzz wrote:
> So... Smart Gain not working. I'm wondering if the SB3 has Smart Gain
> capability
I always used SmartGain when my players were SB3s...
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So... Smart Gain not working. I'm wondering if the SB3 has Smart Gain
capability, since it's not mentioned in the manual, but crossfade is.
I'd be glad to hear from anybody who knows.
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Mnyb wrote:
> What I don't clearly remember is how it's coexist with the fixed volume
> at 100% setting
This seems to be the issue. I did change that option when I went to a
smart remote setup with an SB3. Now I disabled it, and I think the
problem is solved.
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For SB3 that's probably a question someone from Logitech has to answer
since nobody else has seen the firmware.
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Fahzz wrote:
> Where/when in the does the replay gain processing take place? Does the
> signal have to pass through the SB3 DAC for the replay gain to be
> applied?
>
> I recently switched from analog outs to coax into my receiver which has
> its own DAC. Sometimes a track seems louder or
Where/when in the does the replay gain processing take place? Does the
signal have to pass through the SB3 DAC for the replay gain to be
applied?
I recently switched from analog outs to coax into my receiver which has
its own DAC. Sometimes a track seems louder or softer than the others.
Have
Are we 3 talking past each other ?
*The recorded clipping as present in the original signal does not go
away with replay gain I don't think anyone believes that ?
*Aditional problems by intersample overs and overloading the digital
signal chain downstream
*How squeezebox volume works
*How
Sorry 4 of us .
two kinds of clipping .
*Inherent in the signal . it's there forever .
*to high input to something digital or analog does not matter (for
example callersroe's TacT or my meridian processor )
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Mnyb wrote:
Are we 3 talking past each other?
To some degree, yes.
*The recorded clipping as present in the original signal does not go
away with replay gain I don't think anyone believes that?
I think *almost* all of us agree. Not sure about callesoroe.
*Aditional problems by
Heh. As a result of this discussion, I revisited some of the classic AES
papers. One, from 1999, states Clearly, to obtain the goal of music
conservation, new standards are needed.
One way to go would be to establish a set of gentleman processing rules
that need to be followed in order for the
utgg wrote:
There seems to be an assumption from Julf that all squeezebox volume
(including replay gain) works by digital scaling of the digital input
samples prior to input the DAC - and with a decent 24-bit DAC that is a
fine thing to do. But is this true for all squeezebox and 3rd party
Mnyb wrote:
*How squeezebox volume works
There seems to be an assumption from Julf that all squeezebox volume
(including replay gain) works by digital scaling of the digital input
samples prior to input the DAC - and with a decent 24-bit DAC that is a
fine thing to do. But is this true for
utgg wrote:
There seems to be an assumption from Julf that all squeezebox volume
(including replay gain) works by digital scaling of the digital input
samples prior to input the DAC
No, not assuming that at all, as it really doesn't matter (for the
purpose of this discussion) where the
utgg wrote:
There seems to be an assumption from Julf that all squeezebox volume
(including replay gain) works by digital scaling of the digital input
samples prior to input the DAC - and with a decent 24-bit DAC that is a
fine thing to do. But is this true for all squeezebox and 3rd party
pippin wrote:
Sorry, I still don't buy that. Even _if_ there were some DACs which had
such a crappy design that their own interpolation filter created values
that they would then clip, dynamics compression would actually make
things better, not worse!
What's the worst case for your
Umm... wait, but that would be something else. Of course a DAC doesn't
like clipped signals because the result will be nothing that makes sense
so all of it's filters might make garbage of the remaining signals, too
(not just the clipped frequencies).
But again if your digital signal is
callesoroe wrote:
One of the leading Engeneers in Digital Audio(Peter Lyngdorf, Founder og
Lyngdorf Audio and Tact) says something else about DAC's and clipping.
There is a video on youtube where loudness war is discussed(with Mark
Knopfler). I must say I agree more with him
Unforunally
Julf wrote:
'This one' (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Of2JvNXHXOI)? It is 34
minutes long, and seems to be a general rant against loudness wars. Can
you explain how it is relevant to replay gain?
The only way replay gain is relevant to the loudness wars is that as the
broadcast and
pippin wrote:
Umm... wait, but that would be something else. Of course a DAC doesn't
like clipped signals because the result will be nothing that makes sense
so all of it's filters might make garbage of the remaining signals, too
(not just the clipped frequencies).
But again if your
callesoroe wrote:
Yes it is that video. And he also says that almost all DAC's don't like
clipped signals. He also plays an example on the computer.
And how is that relevant to replay gain?
If your original music is clipped (by the producer/recording engineer),
there is no way to unclip
Julf wrote:
There are no totally unfiltered NOS DACs - the filtering just happens
somewhere further down the chain, and if the components down he chain
can't handle the signal amplitude, you still get clipping.
yes but that be good clipping from tubes or somesuch :))
yes i do understand
Mnyb wrote:
yes but that be good clipping from tubes or somesuch :))
Of course! :)
yes i do understand that it is about the level.
Only reason I keep going on about it is that it seems callesoroe still
doesn't understand that part.
But a way to actually get a bunch of 0dB samples together
cliveb wrote:
I was the person who reported that bug, and it was fixed years ago in
SqueezeCentre (or possibly SlimServer), long before it was renamed LMS.
(Briefly: ReplayGain tags include a PEAK value that the playback
software should take into account when processing positive GAIN tags,
Mnyb wrote:
I think it's when you have several consecutive samples of 0dB IE like
say 10 full 16bit word lined up together . One 0dB peak is not a problem
.
Sorry, I still don't buy that. Even _if_ there were some DACs which had
such a crappy design that their own interpolation filter
Mnyb wrote:
RG clipping by the rare album that actually gives positive gain ? Is
that not fixed in LMS there was a bug report about that ?
I was the person who reported that bug, and it was fixed years ago in
SqueezeCentre (or possibly SlimServer), long before it was renamed LMS.
(Briefly:
callesoroe wrote:
One of the leading Engeneers in Digital Audio(Peter Lyngdorf, Founder og
Lyngdorf Audio and Tact) says something else about DAC's and clipping.
There is a video on youtube where loudness war is discussed(with Mark
Knopfler). I must say I agree more with him
Unforunally
callesoroe wrote:
It is a fact that almost all DAC's do not sound good with clipped
signals. And this is what happens when recordings are mastered way to
loud.
No, however often you repeat it, it is wrong.
If your mastering is mastered so loud that it clips no volume, gain or
whatever
Mnyb wrote:
Misconception . I don't think you can say that all DAC's have this
problem but an unknown ratio of them do have this problem but are they
really badly designed ? In retrospect they are bad designs , but the
signals presented by today's music is not meant to be if you ask some
Julf wrote:
Yes, that's what I alluded to in one of my first answers to callesoroe's
misconceptions. Badly designed DACs might not be able to handle the
over-0-db peaks that result from interpolation (not related to
compression or loudness wars), but the fix is simple - just turn down
the
Found my own post with some links.
http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?102378-More-victims-in-the-loudness-war
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Sorry my Google fu is bad but we had this discussion before on this
forums to and there is a decades worth of discussion on hydrogen audio .
The gist is that a full scale signal is ok for a DAC chip but may not be
for an interpolation process like how they may be done in oversamplers
or filters .
Mnyb wrote:
I think it's when you have several consecutive samples of 0dB IE like
say 10 full 16bit word lined up together . One 0dB peak is not a problem
Yes, that's what I alluded to in one of my first answers to callesoroe's
misconceptions. Badly designed DACs might not be able to handle
I think it's when you have several consecutive samples of 0dB IE like
say 10 full 16bit word lined up together . One 0dB peak is not a problem
.
Yes some CD are deliberately digitally clipped too on top of the
loudness war compression .
There are some treads on hydrogen audio about this and
RG clipping by the rare album that actually gives positive gain ? Is
that not fixed in LMS there was a bug report about that ?
Yes a constant volume adjustment might be more predicable . And we a
have a fixed volume plugin somewhere if it's updated ?
callesoroe wrote:
It is a fact that almost all DAC's do not sound good with clipped
signals.
It is my experience that anything that starts with it is a fact that
usually isn't.
Using replay gain you turn Down the heavy mastered recordings, and NO
clipping comes to your DAC. And it just
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