Re: [slim] How to play large FLAC files with numerous wireless players

2011-04-13 Thread tedfroop
realcodeguy;625059 Wrote: Thank you. I will download inSSIDer, I will let you know what it finds. There are some wireless cards that are negatively affected by inSSIDer. My netbook went flakey when I installed it and returned to normal once it was removed. -- tedfroop Good judgement is

Re: [slim] How to play large FLAC files with numerous wireless players

2011-04-13 Thread garym
tedfroop;625168 Wrote: There are some wireless cards that are negatively affected by inSSIDer. My netbook went flakey when I installed it and returned to normal once it was removed. one can also try vistumbler or netstumbler. -- garym

Re: [slim] How to play large FLAC files with numerous wireless players

2011-04-12 Thread realcodeguy
garym, a player in the master closet isn't a bad idea :-) Since I've got all my players steaming FLAC's while all synch'd I've been ripping my CD collection that was previously all MP3's to FLAC. I got as far as The Best of the Counting Crows when I hit a 57mb FLAC and the players started to

Re: [slim] How to play large FLAC files with numerous wireless players

2011-04-12 Thread dasmueller
I am probably missing something here and it would not be the first time. What is the reason for converting MP3 to FLAC ? Once a file has been converted to a lossy format, converting it to a lossless format would not improve sound quality and just increase file size. -- dasmueller

Re: [slim] How to play large FLAC files with numerous wireless players

2011-04-12 Thread garym
dasmueller;625045 Wrote: I am probably missing something here and it would not be the first time. What is the reason for converting MP3 to FLAC ? Once a file has been converted to a lossy format, converting it to a lossless format would not improve sound quality and just increase file size.

Re: [slim] How to play large FLAC files with numerous wireless players

2011-04-12 Thread JJZolx
realcodeguy;625039 Wrote: I got as far as The Best of the Counting Crows when I hit a 57mb FLAC and the players started to hiccup again. The size of the file should really have nothing to do with Squeezebox's ability to stream it. You stream a little until the buffer fills sufficiently, then

Re: [slim] How to play large FLAC files with numerous wireless players

2011-04-12 Thread realcodeguy
garym;625047 Wrote: Unless I'm mistaken, he's re-ripping CDs to FLAC (instead of his previous rips of CD to mp3). NOT converting from mp3 to FLAC. You are correct. -- realcodeguy realcodeguy's Profile:

Re: [slim] How to play large FLAC files with numerous wireless players

2011-04-12 Thread realcodeguy
JJZolx;625048 Wrote: The size of the file should really have nothing to do with Squeezebox's ability to stream it. You stream a little until the buffer fills sufficiently, then as the buffer runs out, you stream a little more, play, stream, buffer. The size of the file is so much bigger than

Re: [slim] How to play large FLAC files with numerous wireless players

2011-04-07 Thread garym
realcodeguy;623801 Wrote: So you guys are mind readers too :-) I do have a couple rooms without players and the only reason I don't get additional players now is I have a feeling there are some newer model(s) coming out soon with the Boom apparently being EOL. I do have a Duet that

Re: [slim] How to play large FLAC files with numerous wireless players

2011-04-06 Thread toby10
realcodeguy;623588 Wrote: Anyway, I wanted to let everyone know the recommended solution worked like a charm and I'm happy as can be. Thanks for the help! Done? I think not. Now that your nine players are working as you like it is time to expand to 14 players. C'mon, you love a

Re: [slim] How to play large FLAC files with numerous wireless players

2011-04-06 Thread garym
toby10;623639 Wrote: Done? I think not. Now that your nine players are working as you like it is time to expand to 14 players. C'mon, you love a challenge, I can tell. ;) +1. Enjoy! -- garym garym's Profile:

Re: [slim] How to play large FLAC files with numerous wireless players

2011-04-06 Thread realcodeguy
toby10;623639 Wrote: Done? I think not. Now that your nine players are working as you like it is time to expand to 14 players. C'mon, you love a challenge, I can tell. ;) So you guys are mind readers too :-) I do have a couple rooms without players and the only reason I don't get

Re: [slim] How to play large FLAC files with numerous wireless players

2011-04-06 Thread pski
toby10;623639 Wrote: Done? I think not. Now that your nine players are working as you like it is time to expand to 14 players. C'mon, you love a challenge, I can tell. ;) I'm covering 2600 sq. ft. with 5 players. Anyone who says you don't need at least 500 wpc lies. P -- pski real

Re: [slim] How to play large FLAC files with numerous wireless players

2011-04-05 Thread realcodeguy
The cheap $20 TP-Link access point arrived today. I configured so it had an IP address of the very last IP in my main routers DNS pool. I disabled DNS on the new AP and set the default gateway and DNS servers to the IP of the main router. The main AP is using channel 1 so I set the new AP

Re: [slim] How to play large FLAC files with numerous wireless players

2011-04-05 Thread pski
realcodeguy;623588 Wrote: The cheap $20 TP-Link access point arrived today. I configured so it had an IP address of the very last IP in my main routers DNS pool. I disabled DNS on the new AP and set the default gateway and DNS servers to the IP of the main router. The main AP is

Re: [slim] How to play large FLAC files with numerous wireless players

2011-04-03 Thread toby10
Yeah, nine players might be pushing it for WiFi, especially if bandwidth is being utilized by any other devices. Is there a magic number of players that does work, then adding one additional player to that Sync group pushes it over the edge? That would likely point to bandwidth issue. --

Re: [slim] How to play large FLAC files with numerous wireless players

2011-04-03 Thread garym
JJZolx;622837 Wrote: Using the same SSID should give you the ability to roam. You can connect your laptop, for instance, and walk from one end of the house to the other and it should switch seamlessly from one access point to the other. Or, you could move a Squeezebox Radio to another area

Re: [slim] How to play large FLAC files with numerous wireless players

2011-04-03 Thread realcodeguy
Thanks for all the replies on this. I have another wireless AP on the way and will let everyone know how it works out when it gets here next week and I've had a chance to run a cable and configure it. -- realcodeguy

Re: [slim] How to play large FLAC files with numerous wireless players

2011-04-03 Thread realcodeguy
toby10;622866 Wrote: Yeah, nine players might be pushing it for WiFi, especially if bandwidth is being utilized by any other devices. Is there a magic number of players that does work, then adding one additional player to that Sync group pushes it over the edge? That would likely point to

Re: [slim] How to play large FLAC files with numerous wireless players

2011-04-03 Thread pski
realcodeguy;622833 Wrote: Yes, what you say makes a LOT of sense. I think for a short term solution I'll install LAME and limit the bitrate when I want all the players on, then look into running CAT5 to a second AP on a different channel. I can see that being a decent long term

Re: [slim] How to play large FLAC files with numerous wireless players

2011-04-03 Thread garym
pski;622947 Wrote: In my experience, the hardware players will stubbornly connect to the original instance even when there is an identically named AP 8 feet from the receiver. They obviously remember it based on MAC address and they are not smart about signal strength. The only way to force

Re: [slim] How to play large FLAC files with numerous wireless players

2011-04-03 Thread pski
garym;622964 Wrote: good info! I haven't fully tested my setup in this regard (same SSID, same PW, different channels). The only things I have that are WIFI are the RADIOs, the CONTROLLER and my iphones and laptops. All other SB players and server are ethernet. With the Radio, to get it to

[slim] How to play large FLAC files with numerous wireless players

2011-04-02 Thread realcodeguy
When I play my music, I like having all my players in the various rooms turned on. So as I'm cooking, cleaning, wandering through the house I can hear my music wherever I go. Since I've recently increased the number of players, when a large FLAC file tries to play the network is just not able

Re: [slim] How to play large FLAC files with numerous wireless players

2011-04-02 Thread aubuti
There are a couple options. The most surefire solution is running ethernet cable (cat5e or cat6) to all the places you need it. Another possibility is to use bitrate limiting, which will transcode your FLACs to MP3s at a quality you can specify. Obviously you will have some degradation in sound

Re: [slim] How to play large FLAC files with numerous wireless players

2011-04-02 Thread realcodeguy
aubuti, the second solution you offered sounds like it will work for me. Is this something I configure SBS to do dynamically as it's streaming? How do I setup this up? -- realcodeguy realcodeguy's Profile:

Re: [slim] How to play large FLAC files with numerous wireless players

2011-04-02 Thread ChrisNY
I believe this is handled for each Player individually. Go into Settings and select the Player tab on top. Then select Audio from the second dropdown on this screen (next the the player selection dropdown). Scroll down until you see the Bitrate limiting dropdown. -- ChrisNY

Re: [slim] How to play large FLAC files with numerous wireless players

2011-04-02 Thread pski
ChrisNY;622737 Wrote: I believe this is handled for each Player individually. Go into Settings and select the Player tab on top. Then select Audio from the second dropdown on this screen (next the the player selection dropdown). Scroll down until you see the Bitrate limiting dropdown. If

Re: [slim] How to play large FLAC files with numerous wireless players

2011-04-02 Thread pski
aubuti;622685 Wrote: There are a couple options. The most surefire solution is running ethernet cable (cat5e or cat6) to all the places you need it. Another possibility is to use bitrate limiting, which will transcode your FLACs to MP3s at a quality you can specify. Obviously you will

Re: [slim] How to play large FLAC files with numerous wireless players

2011-04-02 Thread lrossouw
You can also try homeplugs (ethernet over the power cables). -- lrossouw Louis 'Last.fm' (http://www.last.fm/user/lrossouw) lrossouw's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3416 View this thread:

Re: [slim] How to play large FLAC files with numerous wireless players

2011-04-02 Thread toby10
Have you tried making sure your WiFi is tweaked for reliability and stability? I can Sync 4 SB players (3 on WiFi) playing full WAV files without a hiccup on a Linksys WRT54G. Some very basic WiFi tweaks (you will need admin access to your router to try these simple changes): 1. use a unique

Re: [slim] How to play large FLAC files with numerous wireless players

2011-04-02 Thread SuperQ
You gave us your server information, but you left out the most important part. What is your wifi layout like? What router, channel? What kind of house is this? (brick? plaster walls? metal studs?) What is the router location compared to the players? -- SuperQ

Re: [slim] How to play large FLAC files with numerous wireless players

2011-04-02 Thread realcodeguy
The router is a Belkin N+ at one end of the house with a Hawking wireless extender at the other end of the house. Both are using channel 1, maybe I should try switching one of them to another channel? The 5 radios are connected to the Hawking (because they don't like the Belkin) 3 Booms are

Re: [slim] How to play large FLAC files with numerous wireless players

2011-04-02 Thread pski
realcodeguy;622805 Wrote: The router is a Belkin N+ at one end of the house with a Hawking wireless extender at the other end of the house. Both are using channel 1, maybe I should try switching one of them to another channel? The 5 radios are connected to the Hawking (because they don't

Re: [slim] How to play large FLAC files with numerous wireless players

2011-04-02 Thread garym
pski;622807 Wrote: No two routers in the same area should use the same channel. P I've always used same SSID name and Wifi oassword, but DIFFERENT channels with my second wifi AP. -- garym garym's Profile:

Re: [slim] How to play large FLAC files with numerous wireless players

2011-04-02 Thread pski
garym;622826 Wrote: I've always used same SSID name and Wifi oassword, but DIFFERENT channels with my second wifi AP. From my experience, SB players will always connect to their previous AP if the SSID is the same, even if the signal is stronger on the same named AP and the channel is

Re: [slim] How to play large FLAC files with numerous wireless players

2011-04-02 Thread JJZolx
realcodeguy;622805 Wrote: The router is a Belkin N+ at one end of the house with a Hawking wireless extender at the other end of the house. Both are using channel 1, maybe I should try switching one of them to another channel? An 'extender' operates as a wireless repeater, doesn't it? I'm

Re: [slim] How to play large FLAC files with numerous wireless players

2011-04-02 Thread realcodeguy
JJZolx;622831 Wrote: An 'extender' operates as a wireless repeater, doesn't it? I'm not sure you could operate it on a different channel. I also wouldn't be surprised if it was a source of some of your problems, as you'll get only half the potential wireless bandwidth for devices connecting

Re: [slim] How to play large FLAC files with numerous wireless players

2011-04-02 Thread JJZolx
realcodeguy;622833 Wrote: I guess my question would be, if both AP's are using the same SSID on different channels, will only one be visible since they are using the same name? And, how do you know which AP you're connecting to? There seems to be one vote for the same name and one for using

Re: [slim] How to play large FLAC files with numerous wireless players

2011-04-02 Thread Mnyb
Is the server on wifi ? it should not be in this case with so many players, you use twice the bandwith. wire the server with ethernet. Btw how could a wifi extender be cheaper than wiring ? all that takes is cable rj45 conectors some cheap tools and nails ? If they must be -inside- the wall i