Re: [slim] Improving Wireless Strength on the Squeezebox
Recoveryone wrote: > The point is this, I made no comment about anyone's personal level or > ability, I even conceded my point with the test results presented by > Mnyb. So to make a comment about someone on a personal level (and that > was the context of his remark) I returned one in kind. You sound like > someone trying to defend Trump, none of my comments were personal in > nature, until one was directed at me. In all, if comments remain on > topic and not trying to belittle others then flame wars will not cloud > the issue at hand. Eh? I pointed out that toby10's suggestion, taken at face value, would probably make more of a difference to sound quality than your suggestion. I really fail to see how that could be seen as defending Trump, unless you were projecting and actually subscribing to the whole "fake news" way of rejecting facts. "To try to judge the real from the false will always be hard. In this fast-growing art of 'high fidelity' the quackery will bear a solid gilt edge that will fool many people" - Paul W Klipsch, 1953 Julf's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=42050 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=3974 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Improving Wireless Strength on the Squeezebox
Julf wrote: > Well, toby10's suggestion makes more sense than your 5G one... The point is this, I made no comment about anyone's personal level or ability, I even conceded my point with the test results presented by Mnyb. So to make a comment about someone on a personal level (and that was the context of his remark) I returned one in kind. You sound like someone trying to defend Trump, none of my comments were personal in nature, until one was directed at me. In all, if comments remain on topic and not trying to belittle others then flame wars will not cloud the issue at hand. 1st Touch in main HT rig hardwired to router connected 2nd Touch Wirelessly connected (Master Bedroom) 3rd Touch Wirelessly connected (bedroom) 4th Touch wirelessly connected (bedroom) 5th Touch 2 Wirelessly connected (livingroom) 6th Touch 4 Wirelessly connected (downstairs bedroom) Server (In garage) running on Duo Core P4 3.0 GHz 4 gig ram Windows 7 64 bit 350 Xternal gigHD 1TB backup Verizon Fios wireless router w/HG antana Recoveryone's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9205 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=3974 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Improving Wireless Strength on the Squeezebox
Recoveryone wrote: > Imagine what your life would be if you actually did something worth > while :) Well, toby10's suggestion makes more sense than your 5G one... "To try to judge the real from the false will always be hard. In this fast-growing art of 'high fidelity' the quackery will bear a solid gilt edge that will fool many people" - Paul W Klipsch, 1953 Julf's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=42050 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=3974 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Improving Wireless Strength on the Squeezebox
toby10 wrote: > Imagine the sound improvement if he had USB speakers on his computer and > went from USB 1 to USB 3. ;) Imagine what your life would be if you actually did something worth while :) 1st Touch in main HT rig hardwired to router connected 2nd Touch Wirelessly connected (Master Bedroom) 3rd Touch Wirelessly connected (bedroom) 4th Touch wirelessly connected (bedroom) 5th Touch 2 Wirelessly connected (livingroom) 6th Touch 4 Wirelessly connected (downstairs bedroom) Server (In garage) running on Duo Core P4 3.0 GHz 4 gig ram Windows 7 64 bit 350 Xternal gigHD 1TB backup Verizon Fios wireless router w/HG antana Recoveryone's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9205 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=3974 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Improving Wireless Strength on the Squeezebox
Imagine the sound improvement if he had USB speakers on his computer and went from USB 1 to USB 3. ;) toby10's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12553 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=3974 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Improving Wireless Strength on the Squeezebox
Recoveryone wrote: > but I guess bumping up to 5G allowed less traffic and better signal > strength for all my Touches in the house That's not how WiFi works, moving the server to 5 GHz will not affect the signal strength to your Touches in any way. Your Touches clearly had sufficient connection (signal level and data rate) before the changes you made, otherwise they would have been pretty much unusable with music cutting out at irregular intervals. Any improvement over a level that is "good enough" will make the connection more robust, but it will not make any change to what the Touch receives and hence no change to its output. alfista's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=32396 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=3974 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Improving Wireless Strength on the Squeezebox
I can't argue with the test results, but I guess bumping up to 5G allowed less traffic and better signal strength for all my Touches in the house (all are connected at 80% or higher since the change). All I know its sounding better and that was the only change made to the system. 1st Touch in main HT rig hardwired to router connected 2nd Touch Wirelessly connected (Master Bedroom) 3rd Touch Wirelessly connected (bedroom) 4th Touch wirelessly connected (bedroom) 5th Touch 2 Wirelessly connected (livingroom) 6th Touch 4 Wirelessly connected (downstairs bedroom) Server (In garage) running on Duo Core P4 3.0 GHz 4 gig ram Windows 7 64 bit 350 Xternal gigHD 1TB backup Verizon Fios wireless router w/HG antana Recoveryone's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9205 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=3974 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Improving Wireless Strength on the Squeezebox
On the original topic . 30-50% wifi strength is not good enough it's till marginal close to 100% is reliable . LMS does not measure this in a good way I would say 50% is not good . Bite the bullet and pull some Ethernet wires through the house . On that other topic, no network topology does not make any difference on a squeezebox as long as the player buffer is full . http://archimago.blogspot.se/2015/02/measurements-intercontinental-internet.html Archie made some measurements using my old server , when it worked transfer music from Sweden to Canada to his Transporter did not cause any problem that's just how it works . Main hifi: Touch + CIA PS +MeridianG68J MeridianHD621 MeridianG98DH 2 x MeridianDSP5200 MeridianDSP5200HC 2 xMeridianDSP3100 +Rel Stadium 3 sub. Bedroom/Office: Boom Kitchen: Touch + powered Fostex PM0.4 Misc use: Radio (with battery) iPad1 with iPengHD & SqueezePad (spares Touch, SB3, reciever ,controller ) server HP proliant micro server N36L with ClearOS Linux http://people.xiph.org/~xiphmont/demo/neil-young.html Mnyb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4143 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=3974 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Improving Wireless Strength on the Squeezebox
Recoveryone wrote: > It wasn't the router, but the server I added an 5 G adapter, the router > has nothing to do with it as the Touch connects to the sever for file > info. And I did not expect any changes as I was only doing this switch > for relieving the amount of devices on the 2G signal, I was not trying > to gain any improvements on the sound. "Expectation bias" is much more subtle and pervasive than you're giving it credit. If you're interested in understanding it better, I suggest you start with the link I provided. Or not. I have no problem with you believing that a change of network card has caused your Squeezeboxes to sound better. My problem is with you recommending that others follow your lead for a "cheapish upgrade to your system to improve your sound quality". There is absolutely no reason to expect a change from 2.4G to 5G on any component in your network will give the results you claim. Apesbrain's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=738 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=3974 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Improving Wireless Strength on the Squeezebox
Just connect server via cable, better not use wifi for LMS server. *SqueezeBoxes:* 2x SB2 (Living room and study), 1x Radio (Kitchen), 1x Boom (Dining room), 1x piCorePlayer (jacuzzi), 1x piCorePlayer (Garden) 1x OSMC + Squeezelite (Movie room), 1x Touch (Bedroom) *Server:* LMS1 7.7.3 on windows, LMS2 7.9.1. on PcP 3.20 *Network:* AVM Fritzbox, D-Link Smart Switch 24p, 3x Ubiquity edwin2006's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=66926 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=3974 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Improving Wireless Strength on the Squeezebox
Apesbrain wrote: > Glad this worked out for you, but there is no reason for anyone to > expect the introduction of a 5G wireless router will improve the sound > quality of their Squeezeboxes. You might believe you hear a "bigger > sound stage and more depth", but I suggest this is due to your > expectation of the results rather than to any real result. Valid as > this might be to you personally, it's not an adequate basis for > recommending that others follow a similar path to the same result. > > Suggested reading: 'List of cognitive biases' > (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_cognitive_biases) It wasn't the router, but the server I added an 5 G adapter, the router has nothing to do with it as the Touch connects to the sever for file info. 1st Touch in main HT rig hardwired to router connected 2nd Touch Wirelessly connected (Master Bedroom) 3rd Touch Wirelessly connected (bedroom) 4th Touch wirelessly connected (bedroom) 5th Touch 2 Wirelessly connected (livingroom) 6th Touch 4 Wirelessly connected (downstairs bedroom) Server (In garage) running on Duo Core P4 3.0 GHz 4 gig ram Windows 7 64 bit 350 Xternal gigHD 1TB backup Verizon Fios wireless router w/HG antana Recoveryone's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9205 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=3974 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Improving Wireless Strength on the Squeezebox
It might turn a 1 into a 1.1 and a 0 into 0.1 - you never know *Pi3 with piCoreplayer music on QNAP TS419p via NFS* iThingys/iPeng/Tablets/Jogglers *Living Room* - Joggler & SB3 -> Onkyo TS606 - > Celestion Ditton F20s *Office* - Pi -> Sony TA FE320 -> Celestion F10s / Pi & SB3 -> Onkyo CRN 755 -> Wharfedale Modus Cubes *Dining Room* -> SB Boom *Kitchen* -> UE Radio (upgraded to SB Radio) *Bedroom (Bedside)* - SB Touch -> Topping TP21 -> AKG Headphones d6jg's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=44051 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=3974 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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Actually think the internet would be a saner place if all texts containing "s*und st*ge" would be quietly sent to /dev/null. I mean, is it really a thing? Is it ever used in any meaningful context? And if someone actually believed the stuff, hooking up the server to 5 GHz isn't "putting out more bandwidth" to any Squeezeboxes, for a number of reasons it will be exactly the same. alfista's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=32396 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=3974 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Improving Wireless Strength on the Squeezebox
Recoveryone wrote: > The unintentional bonus using the 5 G on the server was a bigger sound > stage and more depth in my music. After thinking on this, it makes good > sense as the 5 G is putting out more bandwidth to my squeezebox touches. > We all known being hardwire is best, put like most my home was not built > with network sockets in all the outlets, so wifi is the only way to > stream. This could be about the cheapish upgrade to your system to > improve your sound quality. Glad this worked out for you, but there is no reason for anyone to expect the introduction of a 5G wireless router will improve the sound quality of their Squeezeboxes. You might believe you hear a "bigger sound stage and more depth", but I suggest this is due to your expectation of the results rather than to any real result. Valid as this might be to you personally, it's not an adequate basis for recommending that others follow a similar path to the same result. Suggested reading: 'List of cognitive biases' (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_cognitive_biases) Apesbrain's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=738 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=3974 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Improving Wireless Strength on the Squeezebox
This was the only thread I could find concerning wifi traffic, so I am posting this little info here. My Verizon/Frontier router took a dump recently and I order a new one. With the growing number of wifi devices in my home (30 +) I needed to start dividing up the devices to cut down on the strain on the 2 G signal. My router like most newer ones put out a dual signal, 2.4 G and 5 G, So I made sure all the devices I had that support 5 G would be on that signal. My server in the garage had a older 2 G adapter on it, so I purchased a 5 G to help relieve the strain. The unintentional bonus using the 5 G on the server was a bigger sound stage and more depth in my music. After thinking on this, it makes good sense as the 5 G is putting out more bandwidth to my squeezebox touches. We all known being hardwire is best, put like most my home was not built with network sockets in all the outlets, so wifi is the only way to stream. This could be about the cheapish upgrade to your system to improve your sound quality. 1st Touch in main HT rig hardwired to router connected 2nd Touch Wirelessly connected (Master Bedroom) 3rd Touch Wirelessly connected (bedroom) 4th Touch wirelessly connected (bedroom) 5th Touch 2 Wirelessly connected (livingroom) 6th Touch 4 Wirelessly connected (downstairs bedroom) Server (In garage) running on Duo Core P4 3.0 GHz 4 gig ram Windows 7 64 bit 350 Xternal gigHD 1TB backup Verizon Fios wireless router w/HG antana Recoveryone's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9205 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=3974 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
