Hi Riccardo,
> For the menus only, though, you can just a System-wide setting (t can be set
> by the themes, but you don't need them). Open SystemPreferences, Defaults and
> look for NSMenuInterfaceStyle and play with the 3 values. WIndows style may
> not always work well, depending on how
GNUstep performs, it looks very professionale, it could be a nice "success
story".
>
> However, is there anything we can do to improve the look and feel of the apps
> a bit?
Depends on the taste!
Personally I like your screenshot a lot... there are some details where the UI
tep
runtime 2.0) with most of my installations. I’m using
SystemPreferences.app to set the menu style to Mac style (horizontal
menu bar). You may also use:
```
defaults write NSInterfaceStyleDefault NSMacintoshInterfaceStyle
defaults write NSMenuInterfaceStyle NSMacintoshInterfaceStyle
```
L
>
> Are you guys woking with this greyish NextStep look from the eighties? Or is
> there a trick to customise/improve the look and feel a bit? It would already
> help to have the menu at the top of the screen again (like on MasOSX or with
> Etoile)!?
>
There are severa
...@libero.it wrote:
Hi,
aditya siram wrote:
Thank you all for the information. Is there currently an open-source
application created with GnuStep that runs with a native look-and-feel
on Windows, Linux and Mac? It would be nice if there were some
reference point
Thanks for your quick response.
Is there a tutorial showing how to build a GNUstep application using
the GTK or Windows theme? I realize they are not done, but if they
work even halfway well I'd be interested in using them.
-deech
On Fri, Jul 15, 2011 at 10:31 AM, Riccardo Mottola
Hi,
as far as I know, there is no tutorial around on how to package an
application in a self-contained package containing gnustep and the theme.
However, to test the look and see how well the certain application
works, install GNUstep in the most common way on that platform.
Get the theme
Hi Deech,
the trick is that there is no code involved!
Graphos, for example is perfectly native on Mac, the same is true for
Grr and GShisen.
The way this is accomplished is that there are
* two different projects one for ProjecectCenter (with makefiles) and
one for XCode
* two different
If you get the Windows installer (
http://www.gnustep.org/experience/Windows.html) will take care of installing
the theme for you.
For GTK+, there is a GNOME theme... check Greg's blog:
http://heronsperch.blogspot.com/2011/01/how-to-build-gnome-theme.html
On Fri, Jul 15, 2011 at 10:37 AM, aditya
That's great! I didn't know you could set the theme like that. Thanks again!
-deech
On Fri, Jul 15, 2011 at 10:50 AM, Riccardo Mottola
riccardo.mott...@libero.it wrote:
Hi,
as far as I know, there is no tutorial around on how to package an
application in a self-contained package containing
Hi,
aditya siram wrote:
Thank you all for the information. Is there currently an open-source
application created with GnuStep that runs with a native look-and-feel
on Windows, Linux and Mac? It would be nice if there were some
reference point.
First of all: Linux doesn't have a native look
:
Thank you all for the information. Is there currently an open-source
application created with GnuStep that runs with a native look-and-feel
on Windows, Linux and Mac? It would be nice if there were some
reference point.
First of all: Linux doesn't have a native look-and-feel at all... For me
that runs with a native look-and-feel
on Windows, Linux and Mac? It would be nice if there were some
reference point.
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Thank you all for the information. Is there currently an open-source
application created with GnuStep that runs with a native look-and-feel
on Windows, Linux and Mac? It would be nice if there were some
reference point.
-deech
On Mon, Jun 27, 2011 at 3:27 AM, Richard Frith-Macdonald
rich
Hi,
On 06/27/11 03:01, Gregory Casamento wrote:
Riccardo,
1) Cleanly switching from theme to theme when in-window menus are involved.
Yes, this is especially noticeable when native in-windows menus are
used, but that goes along with 3)
2) Unloading theme images between themes. When theme A
On 27 Jun 2011, at 08:57, Riccardo Mottola wrote:
Hi,
On 06/27/11 03:01, Gregory Casamento wrote:
Riccardo,
1) Cleanly switching from theme to theme when in-window menus are involved.
Yes, this is especially noticeable when native in-windows menus are used, but
that goes along with
Hi Stefan,
yes and no. Technically, the windows native theme cannot support
directly the classic theme. Akin to GNUstep itself, the classic
theme in Windows is not a theme drawn by the WinUX DLL, it is drawn as a
fallback without it. Since our windows theme relies on said DLL, it
cannot
Hi,
radiobuttons should work... they did last time I tried, I'll check that,
perhaps things have changed after Eric's changes in gui.
Riccardo
Stefan Bidi wrote:
Yeah, it works fine, it's just a few widgets that don't out of place
or don't appear on screen (like radio buttons). The only
It wouldn't have been Eric's changes because I originally designed the
interface with the 0.27 or 0.25 version of the windows installer. Despite
having moved to 0.28 a few weeks back, I haven't touched the actual
interface in months, so I don't know if the problem is still there.
Don't get me
Riccardo,
I believe the best course of action here is to expand the WinUXTheme
to support the classic theme on Windows properly by using bitmaps when
that particular theme is chosen.Switching manually between the
WinUXTheme and the Windows Classic Theme which resides in GAP is
somewhat
Gregory,
I believe getting them to work separately well enough so that they can
be released is much more important. I don't consider either of them
presentable.
I want the windows classic theme to work alone: it enables to use it on
windows 2000 or ReactOS for example or even other Unix
Well, right now the WinUXTheme works well for other themes. BTW, I
dearly wish you hadn't named your theme Windows Classic when people
also use the same term to refer to the classic theme under Windows.
It makes it very difficult to refer to them separately. :)
Nevertheless the only step
The windows classic issue... It is not a bug, it is an incovenience.
For me, the biggest bug is the handling of document based application
with no untitled document, we discussed that many times. Fixed that it
would be releasable and available for general use. There are many otehr
minor
Riccardo,
The functionality you're referring to shouldn't even be part of the
theme, but something which needs to be implemented in GUI itself.
This is not the only missing feature in theming right now, there are
quite a few:
1) Cleanly switching from theme to theme when in-window menus are
toolkit that is portable across Windows, Linux and Mac. Unfortunately
the look-and-feel of Gnustep on Linux (Gnome) and Windows is too
alien. I noticed there are a couple of projects fixing this and I was
wondering how usable they are.
Thanks!
-deech
I've been meaning to ask this for some time... is there any plan to support
the Windows Classic theme?
On Sat, Jun 25, 2011 at 12:48 AM, Gregory Casamento
greg.casame...@gmail.com wrote:
Aditya,
The Windows theme is released as part of the standard windows
installer. The GNOME theme has
The Windows Classic theme doesn't use native widgets. As far as I
know it's still supported within GAP. The WinUXTheme uses native
widgets and is currently supported.
GC
On Saturday, June 25, 2011, Stefan Bidi stefanb...@gmail.com wrote:
I've been meaning to ask this for some time... is there
Hey Stef,
Do you mean having the Windows theme set to WIndows Classic and using
WinUXTheme in GNUstep? It worked OK last time I checked, but it could use some
improvements to the colour mappings and border style mappings.
Eric
On 2011-06-25, at 1:07 PM, Gregory Casamento wrote:
The Windows
Yeah, it works fine, it's just a few widgets that don't out of place or
don't appear on screen (like radio buttons). The only reason I brought it
up is because I had to write a GUI interface for some of out sensors at work
and use gnustep. Thing is all out computers have the classic theme for
Oh. I understand what you mean now. The issue with the windows
classic theme on windows is ghat it doesn't use uxtheme. I'm going
to try to fix this this weekend.
GC
On Saturday, June 25, 2011, Stefan Bidi stefanb...@gmail.com wrote:
Yeah, it works fine, it's just a few widgets that don't
Hi all,
I'm a newbie who discovered Gnustep just a few weeks ago. I am really
excited about the possibility of finally having a cross platform GUI
toolkit that is portable across Windows, Linux and Mac. Unfortunately
the look-and-feel of Gnustep on Linux (Gnome) and Windows is too
alien. I noticed
. Unfortunately
the look-and-feel of Gnustep on Linux (Gnome) and Windows is too
alien. I noticed there are a couple of projects fixing this and I was
wondering how usable they are.
Thanks!
-deech
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To answer the question: as long as GNOME have made their file
dialogue make it obvious how to:
* set the filename
* set the directory (GNUstep's is a little weak on this)
* set the file type, if such things are in their file dialogue
...then I think it's fine and probably better than
imitating
interface is gone whats left?
[snipped...]
Is it easy to make gnustep look like gnome? Maybe after working for
some time gnome has completed the shift to the mac look and feel, you
might end up using gnome anyway.
--
Blood is thicker than water... and much tastier
Le 19 fvr. 05, 07:49, Banlu Kemiyatorn a crit :
No, they were E freaks but they grow up.
I was appreciated with Mac OS X's saturated cyan/red/green/blue for a
week
before I permanently switch to graphite theme. Though, I ma nottagainst
them, but let's put it somewhere else, not gnustep core.
Le 19 fvr. 05, 22:52, Randi Joseph a crit :
And I, bored of tons of words about (unexisting) desktops and very
tired for years of work on a (existing) application, give up.
GWorkspace is looking for a new maintainer.
Hang in there. I think you will be seeing the fruits of your labor
soon.
And
Riccardo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
GNUstep made it into slashdot and osnews. We are getting a lot of
exposure, but we need to learn how handle it. My last experiences in
this mailing list and in the traditional #gnustep channel are a lot of
works, no action. I wish I want I would. But this
=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Quentin_Math=E9?= [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
[...] I just would like to have GNUstep.org =
mentions=20
=C9toil=E9, Garma etc. as possible alternatives=85
I'd like to list whatever's announced to info-gnustep, I think.
The question is what gets listed where...
--
MJR/slef
On 2005-02-19 01:20:13 -0500 Richard Frith-Macdonald
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The conservative camp:
The NeXT style interface is one of the best looking ones ever
produced, it
looks fresh and distinctive, but could be tweaked/modified as there
is always
room for improvement... if someone can
On 2005-02-19 01:49:11 -0500 Banlu Kemiyatorn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Fri, 18 Feb 2005 19:46:35 -0500, Jason Clouse
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
If Camaelon is bundled with -core and the option to change theme is
the first thing a user sees, fine. If someone downloads a tarball,
installs it,
On 19 Feb 2005, at 08:29, Jason Clouse wrote:
On 2005-02-19 01:20:13 -0500 Richard Frith-Macdonald
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The conservative camp:
The NeXT style interface is one of the best looking ones ever
produced, it looks fresh and distinctive, but could be
tweaked/modified as there is
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On 2005-02-19 16:26:41 +0800 Jason Clouse [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 2005-02-19 01:49:11 -0500 Banlu Kemiyatorn [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
On Fri, 18 Feb 2005 19:46:35 -0500, Jason Clouse
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
If Camaelon is bundled with -core
On Sat, 19 Feb 2005 03:26:41 -0500, Jason Clouse [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
[...]
Because it doesn't exist. And because people are not directed to
download Etoile. They are directed to download -core. Once Etoile is
highly publicized and it is nearly impossible to simply download -core
and
Le 19 févr. 05, à 08:58, Richard Frith-Macdonald a écrit :
I can't speak for anyone else, but I'd happily see a good theme engine
contributed to the core distribution.
Indeed, I believe it makes sense to have a degree of theme support
built in to the standard gui classes rather than requiring a
On 2005-02-19 03:58:47 -0500 Richard Frith-Macdonald
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I can't speak for anyone else, but I'd happily see a good theme
engine
contributed to the core distribution.
Indeed, I believe it makes sense to have a degree of theme support
built in
to the standard gui classes
Hey enrico,
On Saturday, February 19, 2005, at 07:09 PM, Enrico Sersale wrote:
On 2005-02-19 19:05:16 +0200 Jesse Ross [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
We (gs community) should vote to agree on making
Etoile a default gnustep desktop env for the gnustep community (ie.
not
a default desktop for gnustep
On Sat, 19 Feb 2005 20:09:23 +0200, Enrico Sersale [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
And I, bored of tons of words about (unexisting) desktops and very tired for
years of work on a (existing) application, give up.
GWorkspace is looking for a new maintainer.
Enrico
I'm truely sorry for being a part
On Sat, 2005-02-19 at 20:09 +0200, Enrico Sersale wrote:
On 2005-02-19 19:05:16 +0200 Jesse Ross [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
We (gs community) should vote to agree on making
Etoile a default gnustep desktop env for the gnustep community (ie. not
a default desktop for gnustep itself since
Enrico,
--- Enrico Sersale [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 2005-02-19 19:05:16 +0200 Jesse Ross [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
snipped Jesse's comment about etoile
And I, bored of tons of words about (unexisting) desktops and very tired for
years of work on a (existing) application, give up.
I
On 2005-02-19 21:07:04 + Banlu Kemiyatorn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Sat, 19 Feb 2005 21:09:51 +0100, Frederico Muñoz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
(...)
I believe it is my responsibility to reply to his mail which was
clearly pointing at me.
But trust me I didn't intend to counter-attack him
I did not mean it that way. I meant in a usable state.
May have too harsh. I am going to write some code and leave you guys
alone
apologies
randi
On Feb 19, 2005, at 5:49 PM, Banlu Kemiyatorn wrote:
On Sat, 19 Feb 2005 16:52:11 -0500, Randi Joseph [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
And you are
On Sat, 19 Feb 2005 16:52:11 -0500, Randi Joseph [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
And you are correct. Etoile does not exist. I dont understand why it is
being discussed with prominence.
Is it better to pay some respects to those who already code to make it
happen? There are at least ~50 thousands
Am 17.02.2005 um 02:09 schrieb M. Uli Kusterer:
Heck, there are people who've hacked MacOS X to run on an old 8100/80
PowerMac.
No idea how they got Mac OS X onto a non-PCI Mac ...
If that one can run Aqua, any Pentium should be able to run Jesse's
theme at blazing speed...
... but I run Mac OS
On Sun, 20 Feb 2005 06:28:30 +0700, Banlu Kemiyatorn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Sat, 19 Feb 2005 16:06:57 -0500, Charles Philip Chan
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
We (gs community) should vote to agree on making
Etoile a default gnustep desktop env for the gnustep community (ie. not
a
Le 19 févr. 05, à 21:09, Gregory John Casamento a écrit :
And I, bored of tons of words about (unexisting) desktops and very
tired for
years of work on a (existing) application, give up.
I don't think you should give up! Please don't. I believe that
GWorkspace
should be the default desktop.
On February 19, 2005 6:39 pm, Banlu Kemiyatorn wrote:
You wanted to say that GNUstep is a desktop environment?
Wrong, please read the front page of http://www.gnustep.org
No, what I am trying to say is that GNUstep is more than just a toolkit. It is
a collection of framworks and other kits
On Sat, 19 Feb 2005 19:18:56 -0500, Charles Philip Chan
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
No, what I am trying to say is that GNUstep is more than just a toolkit. It is
a collection of framworks and other kits (eg: musickit, graphicskit, etc) to
build apps and environments.
Then would you please be a
On February 19, 2005 7:31 pm, Banlu Kemiyatorn wrote:
Then would you please be a bit less picky (hopefully not an offensive word)
on what word I was using?
Sorry, I missed the original message- I was just reacting to the quote.
Personally, I wouldn't mind seeing a few desktop environments
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On 2005-02-20 02:09:23 +0800 Enrico Sersale [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 2005-02-19 19:05:16 +0200 Jesse Ross [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
We (gs community) should vote to agree on making
Etoile a default gnustep desktop env for the gnustep community (ie.
On February 19, 2005 9:25 pm, Alex Perez wrote:
neither MusicKit or GraphicsKit are part of GNUstep's CVS. Therefore, it
leads to a logical conculsion that they are not part of GNUstep. They
are frameworks, like any other.
Of course you are right about that, I was just thinking of the more
Hey,
On Thursday, February 17, 2005, at 08:18 PM, Banlu Kemiyatorn wrote:
Not to mention Jesse's design really doesn't look fancy enough not to
run on older computers. Heck, there are people who've hacked MacOS X
to run on an old 8100/80 PowerMac. If that one can run Aqua, any
Pentium should be
I love irix and find it is one of the most refined desktops out there,
a pity so few applications are consistent with it. But it has a
totally different style. Vector icons are a no-go for next-step style
icons or aqua ones. I can post some irix screenshots if there is
request.
I'd like to
On 2005-02-17 07:33:47 -0500 MJ Ray [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
What proportion is large number? Are there any metrics on
the discussion which illustrate this, or do you expect everyone
to go read over 400 comments to see if they think it's true? As
I wrote, it looked at first glance like a larger
Le 19 févr. 05, à 00:48, Jason Clouse a écrit :
On 2005-02-17 13:48:15 -0500 M. Uli Kusterer
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
You never get a second chance to make a first impression.
Is that about right, Jason?
Yeah, that's pretty much what I was trying to get across. Some people
will install
On 2005-02-18 20:41:59 -0500 Nicolas Roard [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Frankly, it doesn't matter much. The important point is it's
*possible* to
change the look; then, we should have screenshots showing that fact
proeminently on the website, and have the livecd let the user change
easily
the UI
Jason Clouse [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 2005-02-17 07:33:47 -0500 MJ Ray [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
[...] it looked at first glance like a larger number want
objective C++ and ACPI fixes.
I didn't see anything about that. I've seen plenty of requests for
the end of battleship grey.
Then
On 19 Feb 2005, at 00:46, Jason Clouse wrote:
At any rate, I think we've used this topic up.
I hope so.
People will not see a fresh GUI on first run and that's just the way
it is.
I think that's a conclusion completely at variance with the comments
I've been reading on this list!
There appear
On Fri, 18 Feb 2005 19:46:35 -0500, Jason Clouse [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
If Camaelon is bundled with -core and the option to change theme is
the first thing a user sees, fine. If someone downloads a tarball,
installs it, and sees nothing but grey, they'll be disappointed.
Why core? Why not
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
[snipped...]
The revolutionaries:
The NeXT style interface is bad/dated/dull and puts people off. We
should
replace it with something new, but keep the existing interface
On 2005-02-17 02:39:11 -0500 Philippe C.D. Robert
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
You could also call it democracy ... :-)
BTW I am all for the 'old' NEXTSTEP look.
Just for the record, so am I. I just know that it's not going to be
disappointing to me to see a different look until I install the NeXT
Jason Clouse [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 2005-02-16 23:22:02 -0500 MJ Ray [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Do we accept that UI is a minority expertise? If so, can we trust
a majority to make a good decision?
We're not talking about UI. We're talking about GNUstep's
out-of-the-box look. Totally
At 8:39 Uhr +0100 17.02.2005, Philippe C.D. Robert wrote:
On Feb 17, 2005, at 1:06 AM, MJ Ray wrote:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
[...] Look at it this way: the convenience factor should go to
the largest number of people.
Dictatorship of the majority?
You could also call it democracy ... :-)
BTW I am
On Thu, 17 Feb 2005 14:01:49 -0600 (CST), Jesse Ross
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
This is kind of a chicken and egg thing. I think a new interface could
attract new developers. In turn they would likely build more apps. We
would no doubt lose some, as there would no doubt be some who do exactly
Citt Gregory John Casamento [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
Stefan,
--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Citt Gregory John Casamento [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
snip
Themes in GNUstep are a very different beast than in GNOME or KDE.
Typically,
themes override certain portions of the drawing code in
I should be able to find some time theses days to do that, so I expect
an official release before the Fosdem (if you just want to test now,
you can check http://www.roard.com/gnustep/ , but it's not a final
release).
I quick note: The README file included is not clear WRT the need for a
Seeing how some guys on this shoot down newcomers and any new or
alternate ideas is disturbing. I can only imagine the amount of bright
minds that came and left. The crown jewels here are the API and
language, and I think MANY people will come if the brand is updated.
As it stands, it appears
Hello,
On 2005-02-14 09:49:54 + Michael Thaler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
[...]
I think it is very important that GNUstep has a UI which offers users from
MacOS/Windows/KDE/GNOME some familiarity. Designing a radically different UI
will just stop people from using GNUstep because most
Le 14 févr. 05, à 13:01, MJ Ray a écrit :
Jesse wrote:
[...] If using Camaelon
would slow the system or create extra overhead, than I would prefer it
was made the native look. [...]
Huh? If this new look is slow, you want to make everyone suffer it?
That's a pretty severe way to force people to
Jesse,
--- Jesse Ross [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
snip
I had hoped to help deliver a GNUstep-based OS, branded with the
GNUstep name and logo, with a default interface that I helped design
and with some of my own icons, and then have people say, Wow, this
looks really nice, I think I'll try
One of them should be the
standard NeXT theme, but I don't think it would have to be the default
-- if they're equally well-designed, why is there a need for a default
at all?
The default is whatever we decide to ship on things like the LiveCD or any
of the desktop initiatives, as a
Yep -- the dots represent arrows in either direction, which seems more
iconic than just the bar that GNUstep currently has.
Not sure if this was the intention but only being able to grab at the
corners can be annoying. A bar along the bottom (iconically marked or
otherwise) costs some extra
Yep -- the dots represent arrows in either direction, which seems more
iconic than just the bar that GNUstep currently has.
Not sure if this was the intention but only being able to grab at the
corners can be annoying. A bar along the bottom (iconically marked or
otherwise) costs some extra
On 2005-02-14 13:43:55 + Jesse Ross [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
[...]
I'm saying this because I'm begining to fear that the idea is to make
GNUstep look like GNOME/KDE/WIndows/MacOSX. I've already seen what not
having the guts to innovate gives to desktops, one ends up using
Windows,but with
Michael Thaler wrote:
On Monday 14 February 2005 14:47, you wrote:
I don't think GNUstep should clone Aqua, not at all. But GNUstep could follow
some of the ideas of the MacOS UI (not the style, ideas related to
usability). Or GNUstep could follow some ideas from GNOME or KDE. Reinventing
On 2005-02-14 18:25:40 + Jesse Ross [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
BTW, I would have prefered the scrollbars on the left :)
They are on the left in the mockup... was that not apparent?
Just wanted to clarify in case anyone else was confused/unsure.
My bad, the first Workspace row hasn't
On Monday 14 February 2005 22:49, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
It's NOT just for the sake of distinctiveness. Read the damn UI
guidelines and you'll actually understand why. They're posted at
http://www.gnustep.org/resources/documentation/OpenStepUserInterfaceGuideli
nes.pdf and you clearly have
On 13 Feb 2005, at 08:03, Randi Joseph wrote:
Hello Everyone,
I think that it is very important that certain aspects of the
interface be customizable. In particular, a static/floating menubar
option and left/right. Lets face it, left scrollbars might be
intuitive to old NeXT users, but it is
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On 2005-02-13 19:24:12 +0800 Richard Frith-Macdonald
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 13 Feb 2005, at 08:03, Randi Joseph wrote:
Hello Everyone,
I think that it is very important that certain aspects of the
interface be
customizable. In particular, a
It will be easier to sell (GNUSTEP/Objective-C) to developers if some
of apple's well thought out interface ideas are adopted.
NeXTstep introduced a lot of gui improvements (they were able to learn
from the design errors of MacOS/MS-Windows). Some of these got into
MacOS-X, but others were
Le 13 févr. 05, à 09:56, Gregory John Casamento a écrit :
Apple spends millions of dollars getting its interface right. Even
Steve Jobs who manages to force a single button mouse down our throats
realized that an made the change.
Steve bent to the whim of the Mac faithful, who were unwilling to
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On 2005-02-13 23:15:30 +0800 Richard Frith-Macdonald
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I'm not sure I understand your point. If you are saying that first
time
users are going to be forced to use mac/mswin anyway, and that we
should therefore not do anything
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On 2005-02-13 23:14:48 +0800 Nicolas Roard [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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I *really* don't think that. Sure, some people only want one
language. But
the majority of the people that works on GNOME and KDE are far from
being
stupid. GNUstep is
Hi,
I did a few replies via the newsgroup, but it seems they're no
longer forwarded to this list. So I'll jump right in and try to catch
up with where the discussion's gone by now.
At 8:48 Uhr -0600 13.02.2005, Jesse Ross wrote:
Exactly. I've been a Mac user exclusively for about 8 years, and
Le 13 févr. 05, à 18:29, M. Uli Kusterer a écrit :
At 15:15 Uhr + 13.02.2005, Richard Frith-Macdonald wrote:
I do find it convincing enough to say we should have options to
customise
things (themes) at the behavior layer as well as pure appearance.
While I have no desire for an ms-windows
Hi,
Dom, 2005-02-13 às 17:01 -0600, Jesse Ross escreveu:
On the other hand, I wouldn't mind a more modern looking theme for
GNUstep on linux, like
http://jesseross.com/clients/gnustep/ui/concepts/01/ui.png , in
addition to the default NeXT theme.
Is is possible to set up some kind
There is no way the desktop look and feel alone is going to make
people switch from kde, gnome, windows and mac.
It might make me switch ... it is why I currently mostly use GNOME.
That said, working together rather than replacing would rock.
Ari
Jesse Ross wrote:
It will be easier to sell (GNUSTEP/Objective-C) to developers if some
of apple's well thought out interface ideas are adopted.
NeXTstep introduced a lot of gui improvements (they were able to learn
from the design errors of MacOS/MS-Windows). Some of these got into
MacOS-X,
Jesse Ross wrote:
I would appreciate it if you would define what you mean by default
theme. I
realize that this is confusing, but here goes:
1) GNUstep has a built-in or native look, one that doesn't require
a theme
to be shown.
2) GNUstep also has a theme engine called Camaelon. Because it
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