Re: question about low availability of Mac OS X applications that has GnuStep edition

2011-01-28 Thread Doc O'Leary
In article mailman.1.1295997573.20658.discuss-gnus...@gnu.org, Ivan Vuãica ivuc...@gmail.com wrote: * that does not mean GNUstep is not helpful -- because it is! I would make the argument that it is increasingly helpful to have GNUstep around given the growth of the iPhone and iPad. Part of

Re: question about low availability of Mac OS X applications that has GnuStep edition

2011-01-26 Thread Banlu Kemiyatorn
- Original message - (...) ..back off with disagreement Here is a non-rhetoric question, since I don't know the current  situation: Does, and can, FSF invest its energy and resources into  GNUstep? FSF isnt intereted by making it more popular than making it more free. As we

Re: question about low availability of Mac OS X applications that has GnuStep edition

2011-01-26 Thread Ivan Vučica
On 26. sij. 2011., at 10:41, Banlu Kemiyatorn obj...@gmail.com wrote: - Original message - (...) ..back off with disagreement Here is a non-rhetoric question, since I don't know the current situation: Does, and can, FSF invest its energy and resources into GNUstep? FSF isnt

Re: question about low availability of Mac OS X applications that has GnuStep edition

2011-01-26 Thread Doc O'Leary
In article mailman.10.1295920702.26185.discuss-gnus...@gnu.org, Zhang Weiwu, Beijing zhangwe...@realss.com wrote: On 01/25/2011 06:25 AM, Riccardo Mottola wrote: Linux, *BSD, Solaris... a big mess, don't you think? A maze... GNUstep has its shortcomings, but I think that generally Linux

Re: question about low availability of Mac OS X applications that has GnuStep edition

2011-01-25 Thread Ivan Vučica
Biggest challenge is when one has to delve into the dungeons of OS- specific programming. Despite POSIX's existence, each platform has slightly different ideas about how stuff works. An example that comes to mind is asynchronous sockets - different even between POSIX operating systems. Even

Re: question about low availability of Mac OS X applications that has GnuStep edition

2011-01-25 Thread Richard Frith-Macdonald
On 25 Jan 2011, at 09:33, Ivan Vučica wrote: Biggest challenge is when one has to delve into the dungeons of OS-specific programming. Despite POSIX's existence, each platform has slightly different ideas about how stuff works. An example that comes to mind is asynchronous sockets -

Re: question about low availability of Mac OS X applications that has GnuStep edition

2011-01-25 Thread Niels Grewe
On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 10:02:25AM +, Richard Frith-Macdonald wrote: GNUstep has NSNetServices (Bonjour), but for sure there are things it does not have. We welcome contributions to fill in any gaps. However, the fact that there are and always will be gaps does not mean that the vast

Re: question about low availability of Mac OS X applications that has GnuStep edition

2011-01-25 Thread Richard Frith-Macdonald
On 25 Jan 2011, at 10:12, Niels Grewe wrote: On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 10:02:25AM +, Richard Frith-Macdonald wrote: GNUstep has NSNetServices (Bonjour), but for sure there are things it does not have. We welcome contributions to fill in any gaps. However, the fact that there are and

Re: question about low availability of Mac OS X applications that has GnuStep edition

2011-01-25 Thread David Chisnall
On 25 Jan 2011, at 01:58, Zhang Weiwu, Beijing wrote: Consider application authors delver binary due to the fact the source code is thus not available, is a byte-code approach possible solution to this BUSINESS PROBLEM? Application vendors deliver half-compiled code, and standardized

Re: question about low availability of Mac OS X applications that has GnuStep edition

2011-01-25 Thread Ivan Vučica
2011/1/25 Banlu Kemiyatorn obj...@gmail.com I personally believe that 3 ways to bring GNUstep to the mass are.. 1) Make a large but stupid company to adopt it and flood a lot of money into it. Ha! one almost did too bad they suddenly realized they shouldn't do that in first place, at least

Re: question about low availability of Mac OS X applications that has GnuStep edition

2011-01-25 Thread Riccardo Mottola
Hi, GNUstep has NSNetServices (Bonjour), but for sure there are things it does not have. We welcome contributions to fill in any gaps. However, the fact that there are and always will be gaps does not mean that the vast majority of funtionality is already provided and porting is therefore

Re: question about low availability of Mac OS X applications that has GnuStep edition

2011-01-25 Thread Ivan Vučica
On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 23:10, Riccardo Mottola mul...@ngi.it wrote: Even with just gnustep-core you have enough power to write a portable (to the mac) application of the caliber of a full office suite. It was done on OpenStep, it oculd be done again. Of course this is not a direct porting.

Re: question about low availability of Mac OS X applications that has GnuStep edition

2011-01-25 Thread Banlu Kemiyatorn
- Original message - GTK did not become popular just because it's something people are comfortable working in; it became particularly popular after having a complete environment (GNOME), where people met GTK every day, became AFAICR, Gimp Tool Kit rose because of GIMP popular. QT

Re: question about low availability of Mac OS X applications that has GnuStep edition

2011-01-25 Thread Ivan Vučica
I picked my words carefully in the previous mail: GIMP ToolKit got a lot exposure because of GNOME, not GIMP. Before that it was just another toolkit, like many others in the X11 world. And GNOME became popular primarily because Canonical likes it more than KDE, and Canonical is a

Re: question about low availability of Mac OS X applications that has GnuStep edition

2011-01-24 Thread Riccardo Mottola
Hi, Zhang Weiwu, Beijing wrote: Hi. I have one question as a stupid user: why there is no commercial Mac OS X application that was ever offered also offer GNU Step binary? because there are? TestPlant and Cenon come to my mind. Generally, if you code with some care, porting is very easy,

Re: question about low availability of Mac OS X applications that has GnuStep edition

2011-01-24 Thread Zhang Weiwu, Beijing
On 01/25/2011 06:25 AM, Riccardo Mottola wrote: Linux, *BSD, Solaris... a big mess, don't you think? A maze... GNUstep has its shortcomings, but I think that generally Linux is not such a well-defined and interesting target for many applications. Sadly perhaps, but it is reality. Consider