Re: [tdf-discuss] UI proposal

2010-10-15 Thread Michel Gagnon
Le 2010-10-14 18:03, Mirek M. acrit:Hi everyone, Since it seems like LibreOffice won't adopt the UI Oracle's preparing for OOo, I'm starting a massive LibreOffice UI proposal series. Here's the intro:http://clickortap.wordpress.com/2010/10/14/citrus-ui/Hello,I wonder what is the interest of Microso

Re: [tdf-discuss] UI proposal

2010-10-15 Thread Michel Gagnon
Le 2010-10-15 05:22, SveinnFelli acrit:This is how it used to be some time ago in MSO (and I think OOo): multiple documents tiled/cascading inside one program window, with *one set of toolbars and menus* - thus maximizing screen estate.Can be confusing if the theme does not distinguish

Re: [tdf-discuss] UI proposal

2010-10-15 Thread Michel Gagnon
and a few accented letters. All of that disappeared. Obviously what you received is unreadable. -- Michel Gagnon -- E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org for instructions on how to unsubscribe List archives are available at http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ All messages

Re: [tdf-discuss] UI proposal

2010-10-15 Thread Michel Gagnon
they want that big grey box and LibreOffice would fill in the proper icons. -- Michel Gagnon Montréal (Québec, Canada) <http://mgagnon.net> -- E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org for instructions on how to unsubscribe List archives are available at http://www.documentfoundatio

Re: [tdf-discuss] UI proposal

2010-10-15 Thread Michel Gagnon
ce. But when I have the choice, I tend to prefer Microsoft Office 2003 for short documents (it's easier to define pages, styles, move illustrations...), but OpenOffice for anything above 20 pages (user-defined variables are easier to define and styles are easier to define).

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: LibO roadmap?

2010-10-18 Thread Michel Gagnon
cially what to do with hanging bullets and numbering. -- Michel Gagnon Montréal (Québec, Canada) -- http://mgagnon.net -- E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org for instructions on how to unsubscribe List archives are available at http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ All messa

Re: [tdf-discuss] UI proposal

2010-10-19 Thread Michel Gagnon
appealing because casual users want something that works and will not bother with downloadable themes and extensions, nor will they care about customizing menus and icons. 2. Customization should be available for the general user who does not have administrative privileges. -- Michel Gagno

Re: [tdf-discuss] Multilingualism and discussions

2010-10-19 Thread Michel Gagnon
should be posted to their respective regional or linguistic lists and not on the worldwide lists. U.S. and U.K. are two regions, just like France and Spain. -- Michel Gagnon Montréal (Québec, Canada) -- http://mgagnon.net -- E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org for instructions on how

Re: [tdf-discuss] Multilingualism and discussions

2010-10-19 Thread Michel Gagnon
rather than in UTF-8, there is a limit to the number of languages that may be displayed reliably. -- Michel Gagnon Montréal (Québec, Canada) -- http://mgagnon.net -- E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org for instructions on how to unsubscribe List archives are available at http://

Re: [tdf-discuss] Basic question about Oracle asking OOo community members to leave

2010-10-20 Thread Michel Gagnon
employees may become members of the Foundation unless they work on their own. -- Michel Gagnon – mic...@mgagnon.net <mailto:mic...@mgagnon.net> Montréal (Québec, Canada) – mgagnon.net <http://mgagnon.net> -- E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org for instructions on how t

Re: [tdf-discuss] unsubscribed posters

2010-10-21 Thread Michel Gagnon
web-only access. That would allow the occasional poster to subscribe and see answers on the web without getting swamped by e-mail for ever and ever... -- Michel Gagnon Montréal (Québec, Canada) -- http://mgagnon.net -- E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org for instructions on how to u

Re: [tdf-discuss] UI proposal

2010-10-21 Thread Michel Gagnon
ave no such problems with Draw or Visio. But it brings the other question: Inkscape is also another vector-based program that works with an open format. So should't LibreOffice drop the Draw module and work instead toward a full integration with Inkscape? -- Michel Gagnon Montréal (Québec, C

Re: [tdf-discuss] LibO roadmap?

2010-10-22 Thread Michel Gagnon
le. Similar behaviour would be expected from other modules. For example, if I do a major spreadsheet , I should be able to use the word processor in a cell or in a group of cells. Likewise, Impress would often benefit from paragraph styles as defined in Writer and full-fledge spread

Re: [tdf-discuss] Better defaults

2010-10-24 Thread Michel Gagnon
have it done by default, however. With regard to buttons, I would suggest less white space in/around icons. The way the graphics are sized, we could shave 2 to 4 pixels in width and height and make those toolbars more compact, yet keep graphics the same size. -- Michel Gagnon Montréal (Qué

Re: [tdf-discuss] Better defaults

2010-10-26 Thread Michel Gagnon
uot;show hidden characters". -- Michel Gagnon Montréal (Québec, Canada) -- http://mgagnon.net -- E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org for instructions on how to unsubscribe List archives are available at http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ All messages you send to this l

[tdf-discuss] Version numbering in "About LibreOffice"

2010-10-26 Thread Michel Gagnon
Nothing tells me whether I have the final version, a preliminary version, a nightly build or... I know I am able to find the proper information, but think about my mother, or think about me, when I want to update my colleagues' computers and can't easily see what version they have

Re: [tdf-discuss] Better defaults

2010-10-26 Thread Michel Gagnon
Le 2010-10-26 10:09, Marc Paré a écrit : Le 2010-10-26 09:17, Michel Gagnon a écrit : Other comments: - Hard spaces should be displayed -- or not -- according to the setting made with "show hidden characters". Actually, I was pointed to this site yesterday. See if this is wha

Re: [tdf-discuss] Version numbering in "About LibreOffice"

2010-10-26 Thread Michel Gagnon
Le 2010-10-26 10:24, Marc Paré a écrit : Le 2010-10-26 09:52, Robert Boehm a écrit : But yesmaybe it should say "beta" on the face of it On 10/26/2010 08:48 AM, Michel Gagnon wrote: Is it possible to write the version number in a way that is understandable by me

Re: [tdf-discuss] Better defaults

2010-10-27 Thread Michel Gagnon
atistics are useless. On the other hand, the help menu could be improved to add links to one or more of the following: – help forums – User guides (essentially the page that has the current LibO user guides) – Open Document Foundation page. – Maybe a "feedback" page? -- Michel Gagnon Mon

Re: [tdf-discuss] UI proposal

2010-10-27 Thread Michel Gagnon
other non-printable characters in my text. -- Michel Gagnon Montréal (Québec, Canada) -- http://mgagnon.net -- Unsubscribe instructions: Email to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines: http://netmeister.org/news/learn2quote.html Archive: http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discu

Re: [tdf-discuss] UI proposal

2010-10-28 Thread Michel Gagnon
Le 2010-10-28 05:29, Mirek M. a écrit : Hi Michel, 2010/10/28 Michel Gagnon Le 2010-10-27 12:11, Mirek M. a écrit : Hey everyone, New post about managing tabs without rulers: http://clickortap.wordpress.com/2010/10/27/citrus-tabs/ Maybe I am too traditionalist, but I really don't

Re: [tdf-discuss] [UI] Splash screen

2010-10-29 Thread Michel Gagnon
program. -- Michel Gagnon Montréal (Québec, Canada) -- http://mgagnon.net -- Unsubscribe instructions: Email to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines: http://netmeister.org/news/learn2quote.html Archive: http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ *** All posts to this list

Re: [tdf-discuss] UI proposal

2010-10-29 Thread Michel Gagnon
"standard paragraph -- bullet 1 level 2" paragraph would contain all the following: – in Writer: font: Bodoni 10 pt; bullet: n-dash ; indents: 1p6, -1p6, 0; spaces: 5pt, 0.95 li, 0; – in Calc:... – in Impress: font Helvetica Bold 16pt blue ; bullet: n-dash gold ; indents: 3p, -3p, 0; sp

Re: [tdf-discuss] LibO program icon brainstorming

2010-10-29 Thread Michel Gagnon
em at home. However, I wonder why those lighter shades at the bottom of those "Second Draft" icons. -- Michel Gagnon Montréal (Québec, Canada) -- http://mgagnon.net -- Unsubscribe instructions: Email to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines: http://netmeister.org/n

Re: [tdf-discuss] UI proposal

2010-10-30 Thread Michel Gagnon
Le 2010-10-30 06:49, jonathon a écrit : On 10/29/2010 11:22 PM, Michel Gagnon wrote: On the other hand, tables rarely repeat themselves: How repeatable tables are, depends upon the user. I, for one, wish that there were table styles. (I have a dozen or so documents with 500+ tables in them

Re: [tdf-discuss] UI proposal

2010-10-30 Thread Michel Gagnon
s should now be deletable. I think it is a great idea, at least for all non-essential styles. In other words, it might be easier for the casual user to see by default the following: Body text, Headings 1 to 4. Regards, -- Michel Gagnon Montréal (Québec, Canada) -- http://mgagnon.net -- Unsubscri

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Non-removable extensions

2010-10-31 Thread Michel Gagnon
ng them required a restart ; others did not. - Or don't call them extensions, but simply modules that are installed within the program. Reserve the Extension window for true extensions that are installed locally by the user. In that case, I would have only one extension (rgb), not 36, and the

Re: [tdf-discuss] UI proposal

2010-11-01 Thread Michel Gagnon
ld it help the use of styles if the base style information were to be present in the Character, Paragraph and numbering dialogue boxes ? For example, when I select "Format –> Paragraph", I would get displayed near the top that it is based upon the "Body Text" paragraph form

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Non-removable extensions

2010-11-01 Thread Michel Gagnon
Le 2010-11-01 07:34, Michael Meeks a écrit : Hi there, On Sun, 2010-10-31 at 17:53 -0400, Michel Gagnon wrote: however I cannot modify my installation to remove the PDF Import and Persenter Console. So - there are lots of parts of LibreOffice that cannot be removed easily; such as the

Re: [tdf-discuss] LibreOffice UI should be tweaked, not reinvented

2010-11-03 Thread Michel Gagnon
creen. -- Michel Gagnon Montréal (Québec, Canada) -- http://mgagnon.net -- Unsubscribe instructions: Email to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines: http://netmeister.org/news/learn2quote.html Archive: http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are pub

Re: [tdf-discuss] LibreOffice UI should be tweaked, not reinvented

2010-11-03 Thread Michel Gagnon
e to be in the same folder or the link has to be an absolute one. So I think it would be relatively easy to upgrade Impress and make it better and easier to use than Powerpoint, and grab new users via the Impress module. Regards, -- Michel Gagnon Montréal (Québec, Canada) -- ht

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Old Bugs

2010-11-03 Thread Michel Gagnon
nent part of the code. Graham, how well known is this extension? I wonder if it is well know in the power user camp. Maybe Michel could chime in on this one too. Marc I have it and use it fairly often. Control-F would indeed be wonderful. -- Michel Gagnon Montréal (Québec, Canada) --

Re: [tdf-discuss] Old Bugs

2010-11-04 Thread Michel Gagnon
ys pane select ctrl+F in the Category pane select LibreOffice Macros>user>altsearch>altsearch In functions pane select altsearch click "Modify" Ctrl+F should appear in the Keys pane Done Cheers GL I'll try that. Thanks. -- Michel Gagnon Montréal (Québec, Canada) -- htt

Re: [tdf-discuss] LibreOffice UI should be tweaked, not reinvented

2010-11-04 Thread Michel Gagnon
couple of short videos might even help educate people very quickly. Speaking of modifications, it is much easier to work with a document that uses the above techniques even if it has no style, than it is to work with an improperly formatted document that has styles. -- Michel Gagnon Montréal

Re: [tdf-discuss] LibreOffice UI should be tweaked, not reinvented

2010-11-04 Thread Michel Gagnon
Le 2010-11-04 12:30, Jim White a écrit : Quoting Michel Gagnon: Finally, if we need to train people to the proper use of word-processing software, I would suggest that emphasis be given, in order to the following "nasty" habits: - proper use of spaces and punctuation (hyphen vs n

Re: [tdf-discuss] Missing function

2010-11-05 Thread Michel Gagnon
latin too. It just resembes latin. But then I have been wrong before... Sebastian It is latin text modified so it doesn't look readeable. See here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lorem_ipsum Regards, -- Michel Gagnon Montréal (Québec, Canada) -- http://mgagnon.net -- Unsubscribe instruc

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: x86_64 Windows build

2010-11-05 Thread Michel Gagnon
e might as well compose in their e-mail software. -- Michel Gagnon Montréal (Québec, Canada) -- http://mgagnon.net -- Unsubscribe instructions: Email to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines: http://netmeister.org/news/learn2quote.html Archive: http://www.documentfoundation.or

Re: [tdf-discuss] FreeDesktop Bugzilla

2010-11-11 Thread Michel Gagnon
ble – or technically wise – to implement them; – their effect on the user interface: especially for front-end changes. Again, a table that would say, in user-friendly terms, what has been suggested so far would help avoid duplicate issues. Regards, -- Michel Gagnon Montréal (Q

Re: [tdf-discuss] FreeDesktop Bugzilla

2010-11-12 Thread Michel Gagnon
a step in the right direction here. Ben I don't know about others, but I, for one, NEVER send those automated crash reports. It feels a bit like big brother watching over my shoulder. -- Michel Gagnon Montréal (Québec, Canada) -- http://mgagnon.net -- Unsubscribe instructions: Ema

Re: [tdf-discuss] FreeDesktop Bugzilla

2010-11-13 Thread Michel Gagnon
Le 2010-11-12 22:20, Duane a écrit : On 11/12/2010 06:43 PM, Michel Gagnon wrote: I don't know about others, but I, for one, NEVER send those automated crash reports. It feels a bit like big brother watching over my shoulder. You are kidding right? How do you expect problems to be res

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Version Numbers?

2010-11-19 Thread Michel Gagnon
ice... it is at version 3.3, after all. When (if) a new user interface is developed, then it will be very easy to sell that the new LibreOffice 1 is an entirely new program. -- Michel Gagnon Montréal (Québec, Canada) -- http://mgagnon.net -- Unsubscribe instructions: Email to discuss+h...@documen

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: EPS images in ODF documents

2011-01-30 Thread Michel Gagnon
n Windows, with eps files that have patterns or fonts in them. -- Michel Gagnon – mic...@mgagnon.net <mailto:mic...@mgagnon.net> Montréal (Québec, Canada) – mgagnon.net <http://mgagnon.net> -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentf

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: [Libreoffice] suggestion to improve libreoffice writer

2011-03-20 Thread Michel Gagnon
and a way to scroll both of them at once. Microsoft has a bit of that in it's "compare" function, except it doesn't really work because it's too complex to synchronize and de-synchronize both windows. -- Michel Gagnon – mic...@mgagnon.net <mailto:mic...@mgagnon.net> Montré

Re: [tdf-discuss] How to pronounce the name (again, sorry)

2011-03-27 Thread Michel Gagnon
ish-speaking person to correct the Office part.-- Michel Gagnon –michel@mgagnon.netMontréal (Québec, Canada) –mgagnon.net   -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Support for Office 2003 file formats (WordML, SpreadsheetML

2011-03-28 Thread Michel Gagnon
bastard that basic support is probably ok. -- Michel Gagnon – mic...@mgagnon.net <mailto:mic...@mgagnon.net> Montréal (Québec, Canada) – mgagnon.net <http://mgagnon.net> -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org A

Re: [tdf-discuss] How to pronounce the name (again, sorry)

2011-03-29 Thread Michel Gagnon
d as "ə", but is muted as the second word is linked to it. The Office part comes from here: http://www.oxfordadvancedlearnersdictionary.com/dictionary/office The complete name should be something like : libʀˈɒfɪsor libʀˈɔːfɪs but I would really like an English-speaking person to corr