Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] code of conduct: another real case

Hi Jeff, many thanks for undoing, and for the clarification. This was exactly what I was asking for, nothing else. As Bruce stated, I highly value you personally as well as your relentless work for and with OSGeo to steer the tall ship, and by no means I was implying malice. I was somewhat upset

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] code of conduct: another real case

Hi Cameron, thank you for confirming the appropriateness of requesting a correction. To me this is a serious issue of conduct - unless CoC exclusively has been established to persecute gender issues, in which case (i) CoC should be renamed and (ii) a general conduct observing any other conduct

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] code of conduct: another real case

Hi Jeff, no problem: on the OpenHub page for rasdaman, OSGeo is listed as owner. This is misinformation, owner is rasdaman GmbH. You are right, this upsets me, and I am requesting that OSGeo restores the real owner immediately. -Peter On 2015-09-17 22:56, Jeff McKenna wrote: > Hi Peter, > >

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] code of conduct: another real case

hm, if this is not a case of conduct violation, in this case in the name of OSGeo and hence harming the reputation of the whole organization, then I cannot see what else qualifies. -Peter On 2015-09-17 23:17, Camille Acey wrote: > I am having a hard time seeing how this is a CoC matter. > Camille

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] code of conduct: another real case

Hi Peter, Please understand that OSGeo is having its big annual conference FOSS4G in Seoul now, and that you sent all this right before the big final day (lots going on). I note that you chose to send this to the entire community, and not tell and ask me directly, since, just now you sent me

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] code of conduct: another real case

Hi Peter, Could I request that you please take a deep breath and then temper your language before posting again. It appears you feel quite offended that ownership of rasdaman has been incorrectly assigned to OSGeo. That is understandable. I've personally taken offense to your suggestions of

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] code of conduct: another real case

I agree: Peter’s issue doesn’t seem to be a Code of Conduct issue, it seems closer to a Code of Ethics issue — but even that’s not quite right. I think this is more properly a grievance to be taken up directly with the Board. Suggestion: the CoC team right want to consider a couple lines on the

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] code of conduct: another real case

Ok, maybe I don't understand, but why doesn't somebody just fix this issue. It seems everyone agrees the listing is wrong on the site. Somebody should have a cease and desist letter sent to the site to change the owner to the correct name or remove the posting. whois openhub.net for the site

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] code of conduct: another real case

hm, this is not my current interest, but I observe in passing that the term "code of conduct" in OSGeo appears ...let's say... used by some people with very focused interests. But as said, my concern gets first, and to me it is secondary who acts as long as somebody acts :) -Peter On 2015-09-18

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] code of conduct: another real case

so first OSGeo steals a project identity and then just says "go cure yourself"? That won't fly. -Peter On 2015-09-18 17:30, Markus Neteler wrote: > On Fri, Sep 18, 2015 at 5:02 PM, Stephen Woodbridge > wrote: >> Ok, maybe I don't understand, but why doesn't somebody

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] code of conduct: another real case

I am baffled how easy this incident is taken. I cannot believe that OSGeo takes responsibility and professional behavior so lightly - after all, an organization fraudulently usurpates a project for improving its external. Compare this to the rave and concerns over open LIDAR formats. What I want

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] code of conduct: another real case

just to clarify: it is a _very_ simple step: OSGeo needs to login to OpenHub (obviously they have one, otherwise this false claim could not have been established) to undo that claim. That simple. So, when will OSGeo do that? -Peter On 2015-09-18 17:02, Stephen Woodbridge wrote: > Ok, maybe I

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] code of conduct: another real case

Give the guy his project back and be done with it. That way all of us can go along our separate ways unfettered by each other. -- Puneet Kishor > On Sep 18, 2015, at 6:41 PM, Peter Baumann > wrote: > > just to clarify: it is a _very_ simple step: OSGeo needs

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] code of conduct: another real case

On Fri, Sep 18, 2015 at 5:02 PM, Stephen Woodbridge wrote: > Ok, maybe I don't understand, but why doesn't somebody just fix this issue. > It seems everyone agrees the listing is wrong on the site. Somebody should ... just check the page itself:

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] code of conduct: another real case

This might just be an accidental bit of confusion. At some point the Marketing and Outreach committee did want to make sure that all OSGeo projects had listings on OpenHub because we pull these stats into OSGeo-Live and other materials. We also wanted all OSGeo projects to show up if someone

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] code of conduct: another real case

Looks like Jeff or Mateusz needs to login (the designated managers on openhub), and go to https://www.openhub.net/orgs/OSGeo/manage_projects then remove Rasdaman from OSGeo projects. Am I correct in understanding that is what you are requesting? I can't see anything on OpenHub that allows

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] code of conduct: another real case

Peter, If you are unable to explain your conduct issue in detail (since you mention the issue is one single person), you can take this to the Code of Conduct Committee (possibly privately at coc-private-ow...@lists.osgeo.org or publicly at

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] code of conduct: another real case

Hi Peter, It may be early here at FOSS4G-Seoul, but I am finding it hard to understand your full issue. Can you please explain here to everyone what you mean by "I found that OSGeo has claimed rasdaman at some time in the past". Claimed how/where/in what way? As far as I know, rasdaman is

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] code of conduct: another real case

Hi Peter, I think your request to have ownership of Rasdaman "corrected" to be owned by GmbH is reasonable, especially since the license of code I assume shows reference to GmbH? I also assume this could be confirmed if someone were to check the lineage of code commits? I'd hope that this

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] code of conduct: another real case

I am having a hard time seeing how this is a CoC matter. Camille On Thu, Sep 17, 2015 at 4:56 PM, Jeff McKenna wrote: > Hi Peter, > > It may be early here at FOSS4G-Seoul, but I am finding it hard to > understand your full issue. Can you please explain here to

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Code of Conduct in Real Case

Dear All, I’d like to report updates on our discussion. 1. Regarding CoC offline discussion at FOSS4G Seoul, we may have discussion at BOF meeting[0]. I believe Jeff already marked the timeslot there on 16th September. If you need more timeslots, just add to the BOF wiki please. Also if you

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Code of Conduct in Real Case

Slide 6, may be removed and so is slide 20 (the girls group). Those interested can always see them on the web. Slide 20 betrays a notion of enticement, at a FOSS4G conference. This is strictly my personal opinion. There are many good inviting slides to entice taste-buds. On Wed, Jun 24, 2015 at

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Code of Conduct in Real Case

The conversation has gone on to the question of diversity in STEM fields, but if I can return to the original presentation for a moment... Perhaps we could look at it from a different perspective, namely, that of marketing and branding. Is this an effective advertisement? Does it accomplish the

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Code of Conduct in Real Case

I hesitate to step into the sexism in tech debate, but... There may be some recent events that folks aren't aware of, that may be relevant -- some specifically have to do with conferences. This list is not R-rated, so rather than directly describe the relevant events, I'll just give you search

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Code of Conduct in Real Case

Hi, even the discussion seems to calm down already (or maybe because of that), I would like to leave some notes as well: Yes, I make jokes about everything, even serious stuff. It's my way, how to deal with difficult topics, where is no single clear answer or the everything seems to be screwed -

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Code of Conduct in Real Case

wise words, will do so :) -Peter On 06/25/15 10:34, Sanghee Shin wrote: Dear All, Thank you for all your great opinions, advices and inputs through this mailing lists and through to my private mail. I think we’ve discussed enough on this. I agree with Maria and Maxi’s suggestion to have

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Code of Conduct in Real Case

Peter -- I'm trying to improve the presentation. Ok? Thanks. The conversation has gone on to the question of diversity in STEM fields, but if I can return to the original presentation for a moment... Perhaps we could look at it from a different perspective, namely, that of marketing and

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Code of Conduct in Real Case

Once again I express my opinion: I think that OSGeo shall express and support a CoC that is respecting diversity in any form, but we don not have the right to censure anything. If something really bad happens than someone will take action based on the agreed CoC. Do we really want to argue about

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Code of Conduct in Real Case

People aren't seeing the irony in telling us not to discuss the presentation, while at the same time decrying censorship... ;-) ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Code of Conduct in Real Case

although I try to force myself to focus on productive tasks I just have to briefly respond. On 06/24/15 18:46, Andy Anderson wrote: Ah! Anecdotes! Let me provide one from my personal experience that’s more relevant. A female friend of mine attending a school *was* offended by the gratuitous

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Code of Conduct in Real Case

On 06/25/15 09:26, Pat Tressel wrote: The conversation has gone on to the question of diversity in STEM fields, but if I can return to the original presentation for a moment... Perhaps we could look at it from a different perspective, namely, that of marketing and branding. Is this an

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Code of Conduct in Real Case

Dear All, Thank you for all your great opinions, advices and inputs through this mailing lists and through to my private mail. I think we’ve discussed enough on this. I agree with Maria and Maxi’s suggestion to have a offline discussion time in Seoul. I’ll explore the possibility whether we

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Code of Conduct in Real Case

Hello Sanghee, I was asked to remove a few slides from my presentation 7 Reasons why you should come to FOSS4G 2015 Seoul”[1], which is at the main page of FOSS4G Seoul, as being possibly offensive to women. Specifically to say, slide #6 (nude female in painting) and slide #20 (row of

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Code of Conduct in Real Case

Hi Sanghee, My personal opinion (as a female member of OSGeo) is that these slides are certainly NOT offensive to women. From your description, they are being used in context and there should be no problems with that. Jo On Wed, Jun 24, 2015 at 11:22 AM, Sanghee Shin shs...@gaia3d.com wrote:

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Code of Conduct in Real Case

On Wed, Jun 24, 2015 at 1:42 PM, Charles Schweik cschw...@pubpol.umass.edu wrote: By asking Jeff about it offline, I was raising the question that those slides could turn some women off who are considering attending and I think those kinds of signals are moving the community the wrong

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Code of Conduct in Real Case

I thank Sanghee for bringing this to the community. I want to point out that having just a Code of Conduct, words, on a website is not enough, there needs to be a whole structure of how to handle this. In bold letters I want to state publicly: there is currently no implementation plan for the

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Code of Conduct in Real Case

Hi, On Wed, Jun 24, 2015 at 2:08 PM, Milo van der Linden m...@dogodigi.net wrote: Hi Sanghee, Thank you for taking this matter to the discuss mailinglist. My first reaction when clicking the links from your post was, no problem, this is well accepted from my european perspective and I do

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Code of Conduct in Real Case

OK, I raised the question of appropriate content to Jeff after I looked at the FOSS4G website for a reference for a grant proposal I am writing at a time when I was thinking specifically about diversity recruitment to GeoForAll. By asking Jeff about it offline, I was raising the question that

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Code of Conduct in Real Case

Hi Sanghee, Thank you for taking this matter to the discuss mailinglist. My first reaction when clicking the links from your post was, no problem, this is well accepted from my european perspective and I do not directly see any offense in them nor see any offense in other cultures. However, after

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Code of Conduct in Real Case

Hi Charlie, I actually get your point of view, and tend to agree with it. Best regards, Bart On 24 Jun 2015, at 13:42, Charles Schweik cschw...@pubpol.umass.edu wrote: OK, I raised the question of appropriate content to Jeff after I looked at the FOSS4G website for a reference for a grant

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Code of Conduct in Real Case

Dear All, One thing I could say about the controversial #6 slide is that that is exactly what Salvador Dali try to point out. I didn’t crop out the image intentionally for ‘commercial.’ Image in #6 can be found in internet as well as art history book. If you visited Dali Museum in Figueres,

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Code of Conduct in Real Case

Just my 0.0002 cents, I feel things are getting over complicated. We have a CoC, and I think all the Charther member should confirm they agree (actually a pre-requisite to become a charter member). Then if a serious case is detected the Member can be eventually banned from the community.

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Code of Conduct in Real Case

Hahaha! I appreciate this. Maybe we need to add some statistics to your political-correctness-o-meter to measure how much of the world population is potentially still on board at the final slide. This will give a clear insight of how many people will come to the event. ;-) On Jun 24, 2015 3:41

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Code of Conduct in Real Case

El Miércoles 24. junio 2015 12.42.40 Charles Schweik escribió: [...] I was raising the question that those slides could turn some women off who are considering attending and I think [...] I feel obliged to jump in the thread, because this looks just like a recent case of the limits of joking

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Code of Conduct in Real Case

Hi, all -- Including the conference list on this, since I think it's relevant (and I suspect that variations on this conversation are happening in multiple corners). re: implementation plans for the CoC. A group of folks met during State of the Map in NYC earlier this month to talk about what an

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Code of Conduct in Real Case

(I've been trying not to post again, but since in a way I started this (not meant to go so publicly!), here's my last post): This isn't a COC issue. This is a discussion about FOSS4G recruitment and messaging issue, representing all of us globally who feel part of the FOSS4G community and want

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Code of Conduct in Real Case

Dear Charles, I understand your real intention now. Just like you mentioned, it's not the issue of CoC. That's me who links this with CoC. And I myself brought this to the public discussion since I felt I could be wrong and this might be the matter of CoC. We should have discussed this earlier in

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Code of Conduct in Real Case

Ah! Anecdotes! Let me provide one from my personal experience that’s more relevant. A female friend of mine attending a school *was* offended by the gratuitous insertion of nude pictures in a slide presentation in one of her classes. That school was soon thereafter subjected to an investigation