Re: annoyance with Python 3.2 support in Django 1.8

2015-12-07 Thread Tim Graham
Here's a documentation proposal: https://github.com/django/django/pull/5783 On Saturday, December 5, 2015 at 6:42:18 PM UTC-5, Tim Graham wrote: > > No we haven't done that before. I think advertising it in the blog post > and release notes would be enough. In particular, I'd like to advertise

Re: annoyance with Python 3.2 support in Django 1.8

2015-12-05 Thread Tim Graham
No we haven't done that before. I think advertising it in the blog post and release notes would be enough. In particular, I'd like to advertise it as a tentative plan just in case someone comes along after we advertise the plan more widely and offers a compelling reason to continue Python 3.2

Re: annoyance with Python 3.2 support in Django 1.8

2015-12-03 Thread Dan Stephenson
Do we currently raise any warnings/exceptions in cases where Python support has / or is about to be dropped (particularly mid LTS).. As a suggestion, I was thinking it could be helpful to people affected we raised exception msg indicating the last Django version to support their current

Re: annoyance with Python 3.2 support in Django 1.8

2015-12-03 Thread Chris Streeter
Donald could probably provide more information, but this post from April shows the Python 3.2 numbers downloading from PyPI are constant, and pretty small [https://caremad.io/2015/04/a-year-of-pypi-downloads/] His take was that CI systems (like Django's!) were doing most of the Python 3.2 package

Re: annoyance with Python 3.2 support in Django 1.8

2015-12-03 Thread Josh Smeaton
I agree with Tim. Unless someone puts their hand up to say they definitely require python 3.2 support for 1.8, I think it makes sense to drop support in the next dot release of 1.8. 3.2 isn't an easy python to find in the wild as far as I know, so I'd be surprised if there was any real support

Re: annoyance with Python 3.2 support in Django 1.8

2015-12-03 Thread Tim Graham
No, using pypy3 doesn't make things easier. There are a handful of test failures with pypy3 and it doesn't solve the issue that unittest-xml-reporting doesn't work with Python 3.2. Issues aside, the main thing I'm trying to find out is, are we providing any substantial value supporting Django

Re: annoyance with Python 3.2 support in Django 1.8

2015-12-02 Thread Shai Berger
On Wednesday 02 December 2015 21:05:00 Tim Graham wrote: > > Given that no one reading this indicated that they plan a long-term > deployment of Python 3.2, how about if in the next 1.8.x release we > advertise that Python 3.2 support for Django 1.8 will end January 1, 2017? > (we won't break

Re: annoyance with Python 3.2 support in Django 1.8

2015-12-02 Thread Tim Graham
I ran into another snag trying to put the Python 3.2 tests on the 14.04 machines and that's that the unittest-xml-reporting package we use on Jenkins to collect the test results isn't compatible with Python 3.2 (the Ubuntu 12.04 machine uses an older fork of unittest-xml-reporting but I

Re: annoyance with Python 3.2 support in Django 1.8

2015-11-26 Thread Donald Stufft
> On Nov 26, 2015, at 9:50 AM, Tim Graham wrote: > > The thing that makes me a little uncomfortable is promoting the use of > possibly insecure Python 3.2 well after it's end-of-life. I guess there might > be some Linux distributions that will backport security fixes to

Re: annoyance with Python 3.2 support in Django 1.8

2015-11-26 Thread Tim Graham
The thing that makes me a little uncomfortable is promoting the use of possibly insecure Python 3.2 well after it's end-of-life. I guess there might be some Linux distributions that will backport security fixes to their own versions of Python 3.2, but it seems that Ubuntu 12.04's version of

Re: annoyance with Python 3.2 support in Django 1.8

2015-11-26 Thread Aymeric Augustin
Hello Tim, Did you consider marking affected tests as expected failures on Python 3.2.6? I've done that on one of my projects which faced this exact issue (or a closely related one): https://github.com/aaugustin/myks-gallery/blob/master/gallery/test_admin.py#L199-L205 Best regards, --

Re: annoyance with Python 3.2 support in Django 1.8

2015-11-26 Thread Raphael Michel
Hi, Am Wed, 25 Nov 2015 16:36:52 -0800 (PST) schrieb Tim Graham : > b. Install the latest non-broken Python 3.2 release (3.2.5) > "manually" (without using deadsnakes) on the newer CI servers While it would only really hurt the people in charge with the bugfix releases, as

Re: annoyance with Python 3.2 support in Django 1.8

2015-11-26 Thread Aymeric Augustin
2015-11-26 5:22 GMT+01:00 Asif Saifuddin : > Python 3.2 should be removed as if any one use py3 should use 3.3+ or > better the latest stable. > Hi Asif, Your email sounds like the answer is obvious. It doesn't show that you thought about the use cases, especially those you

Re: annoyance with Python 3.2 support in Django 1.8

2015-11-25 Thread Asif Saifuddin
Python 3.2 should be removed as if any one use py3 should use 3.3+ or better the latest stable. best Asif On Thursday, November 26, 2015 at 6:36:53 AM UTC+6, Tim Graham wrote: > > Django 1.8 is the last version to support Python 3.2. Python 3.2 is > scheduled to be end of life at February