Re: [dmarc-ietf] I-D Action: draft-ietf-dmarc-dmarcbis-17.txt

2022-08-29 Thread John R. Levine
I took a look and it looks to me like all the section references are there. Which ones are missing? According to the diff provided on the web site [1], quite a few in the following hunks of the diff: The section numbers are all there in the markdown and the XML, so it's a rendering problem s

Re: [dmarc-ietf] I-D Action: draft-ietf-dmarc-dmarcbis-17.txt

2022-08-29 Thread Scott Kitterman
On Monday, August 29, 2022 5:17:38 PM EDT John R. Levine wrote: > > Why did you remove the specific paragraph pointers for the references? Is > > that the norm in IETF documents? It seems to me it makes things less > > clear. > I took a look and it looks to me like all the section references are

Re: [dmarc-ietf] I-D Action: draft-ietf-dmarc-dmarcbis-17.txt

2022-08-29 Thread John R. Levine
Why did you remove the specific paragraph pointers for the references? Is that the norm in IETF documents? It seems to me it makes things less clear. I took a look and it looks to me like all the section references are there. Which ones are missing? Regards, John Levine, jo...@taugh.com, P

Re: [dmarc-ietf] Issue opened: Use a four-valued token for the four roles of a DMARC policy

2022-08-29 Thread Scott Kitterman
On Monday, August 29, 2022 1:54:31 PM EDT Todd Herr wrote: > On Mon, Aug 29, 2022 at 1:29 PM Alessandro Vesely wrote: > > Is it so? My understanding is that psd=y is ignored when it is the first > > step in a tree walk. That way you can have From: u...@psd.example.com > > authenticated by d=exam

Re: [dmarc-ietf] Issue opened: Use a four-valued token for the four roles of a DMARC policy

2022-08-29 Thread Alessandro Vesely
On Mon 29/Aug/2022 19:54:31 +0200 Todd Herr wrote: On Mon, Aug 29, 2022 at 1:29 PM Alessandro Vesely wrote: My understanding is that psd=y is ignored when it is the first step in a tree walk. That way you can have From: u...@psd.example.com authenticated by d=example.com, or helo=mailout.exa

Re: [dmarc-ietf] Issue opened: Use a four-valued token for the four roles of a DMARC policy

2022-08-29 Thread John Levine
It appears that Scott Kitterman said: >Unless you are something like .gov or .us.com you don't need to use psd=y. I >think this is likely to lead to confusion and mis-deployment. The only reason >to use psd=n is if the entity above yours in the DNS tree has a DMARC record >without psd=y and

Re: [dmarc-ietf] I-D Action: draft-ietf-dmarc-dmarcbis-17.txt

2022-08-29 Thread John Levine
It appears that Scott Kitterman said: >Why did you remove the specific paragraph pointers for the references? Is >that >the norm in IETF documents? It seems to me it makes things less clear. They're supposed to be there. I changed section 999 of [@!RFC] to [@!RFC, section 999]

Re: [dmarc-ietf] Issue opened: Use a four-valued token for the four roles of a DMARC policy

2022-08-29 Thread Todd Herr
On Mon, Aug 29, 2022 at 1:29 PM Alessandro Vesely wrote: > > Is it so? My understanding is that psd=y is ignored when it is the first > step in a tree walk. That way you can have From: u...@psd.example.com > authenticated by d=example.com, or helo=mailout.example.com on a bounce. > > I'm curiou

Re: [dmarc-ietf] DMARCbis Privacy Considerations was: Re: I-D Action: draft-ietf-dmarc-dmarcbis-17.txt

2022-08-29 Thread Scott Kitterman
On Monday, August 29, 2022 1:48:57 PM EDT Alessandro Vesely wrote: > On Mon 29/Aug/2022 18:27:11 +0200 Scott Kitterman wrote: > > On Monday, August 29, 2022 11:09:50 AM EDT Scott Kitterman wrote: > >> Also, I am reminded that since this document will obsolete RFC 9091 if > >> approved, we need to i

Re: [dmarc-ietf] DMARCbis Privacy Considerations was: Re: I-D Action: draft-ietf-dmarc-dmarcbis-17.txt

2022-08-29 Thread Alessandro Vesely
On Mon 29/Aug/2022 18:27:11 +0200 Scott Kitterman wrote: On Monday, August 29, 2022 11:09:50 AM EDT Scott Kitterman wrote: Also, I am reminded that since this document will obsolete RFC 9091 if approved, we need to incorporate the Privacy Considerations from that document instead of referencing

Re: [dmarc-ietf] Issue opened: Use a four-valued token for the four roles of a DMARC policy

2022-08-29 Thread Alessandro Vesely
On Mon 29/Aug/2022 17:27:07 +0200 Scott Kitterman wrote: On Monday, August 29, 2022 7:50:18 AM EDT Douglas Foster wrote: Some organizations have subtrees within their DNS structure that represent client sub-organizations, which are unaffiliated for purposes of relaxed authentication. [...] T

[dmarc-ietf] DMARCbis Privacy Considerations was: Re: I-D Action: draft-ietf-dmarc-dmarcbis-17.txt

2022-08-29 Thread Scott Kitterman
On Monday, August 29, 2022 11:09:50 AM EDT Scott Kitterman wrote: > On Monday, August 29, 2022 10:59:55 AM EDT Todd Herr wrote: > > Version created from the pull request John mentioned on-list on August 28. > > Thanks. ... > > Also, I am reminded that since this document will obsolete RFC 9091 if

Re: [dmarc-ietf] Mailing List message authentication

2022-08-29 Thread Murray S. Kucherawy
On Fri, Aug 26, 2022 at 8:52 AM Alessandro Vesely wrote: > > NEW > > If the set produced by the DNS Tree Walk contains no DMARC policy record > > (i.e., any indication that there is no such record as opposed to a > > transient DNS error), then the DMARC mechanism does not apply to this > > messag

Re: [dmarc-ietf] I-D Action: draft-ietf-dmarc-dmarcbis-17.txt

2022-08-29 Thread Todd Herr
On Mon, Aug 29, 2022 at 11:10 AM Scott Kitterman wrote: > On Monday, August 29, 2022 10:59:55 AM EDT Todd Herr wrote: > > Version created from the pull request John mentioned on-list on August > 28. > > Thanks. > > Why did you remove the specific paragraph pointers for the references? Is > that

Re: [dmarc-ietf] Drop PSD=U ?

2022-08-29 Thread Scott Kitterman
On Monday, August 29, 2022 7:57:26 AM EDT Douglas Foster wrote: > As currently defined, psd=u seems to contain no information and be > identical to no token. I see no value in defining a tag that has no > meaning. > > It could optionally be defined to mean "this is an organizational subdomain >

Re: [dmarc-ietf] Issue opened: Use a four-valued token for the four roles of a DMARC policy

2022-08-29 Thread Scott Kitterman
On Monday, August 29, 2022 7:50:18 AM EDT Douglas Foster wrote: > Not strongly opinionated about location. > > For the first insertion: Since the definition of psd=n occurs in the > policy record, and after the tree walk, this seems to fit in with the psd=n > definition. > > Some organizations

Re: [dmarc-ietf] I-D Action: draft-ietf-dmarc-dmarcbis-17.txt

2022-08-29 Thread Scott Kitterman
On Monday, August 29, 2022 10:59:55 AM EDT Todd Herr wrote: > Version created from the pull request John mentioned on-list on August 28. Thanks. Why did you remove the specific paragraph pointers for the references? Is that the norm in IETF documents? It seems to me it makes things less clear.

Re: [dmarc-ietf] I-D Action: draft-ietf-dmarc-dmarcbis-17.txt

2022-08-29 Thread Todd Herr
Version created from the pull request John mentioned on-list on August 28. On Mon, Aug 29, 2022 at 10:58 AM wrote: > > A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts > directories. > This draft is a work item of the Domain-based Message Authentication, > Reporting & Conforman

[dmarc-ietf] I-D Action: draft-ietf-dmarc-dmarcbis-17.txt

2022-08-29 Thread internet-drafts
A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Domain-based Message Authentication, Reporting & Conformance WG of the IETF. Title : Domain-based Message Authentication, Reporting, and Conformance (DMARC)

[dmarc-ietf] Drop PSD=U ?

2022-08-29 Thread Douglas Foster
As currently defined, psd=u seems to contain no information and be identical to no token. I see no value in defining a tag that has no meaning. It could optionally be defined to mean "this is an organizational subdomain which will lead to a psd=n tag". Then if the Tree Walk ends on anything oth

Re: [dmarc-ietf] Issue opened: Use a four-valued token for the four roles of a DMARC policy

2022-08-29 Thread Douglas Foster
Not strongly opinionated about location. For the first insertion: Since the definition of psd=n occurs in the policy record, and after the tree walk, this seems to fit in with the psd=n definition. Some organizations have subtrees within their DNS structure that represent client sub-organizatio