Re: [DNG] Devuan cannot exist without the help of Debian

On Monday, 25 de November de 2019 01:23:58 Steve Litt escribió: > On Fri, 22 Nov 2019 10:55:46 +0100 > > Denis Roio wrote: > > At last, please, do not consider Devuan as an alternative solution > > which will survive any outcome of this vote. > > > > Because I'm sure Devuan will not survive

[DNG] Shim

Hi folks... Where can I find a *good* and *deep enough* explanation of what a "shim" is (in the context of systemd and EFI), but also *easy enough* to explain it to some colleagues at work? Thanks Noel er Envite binRBqUCRGrNw.bin Description: Clave PGP pública

Re: [DNG] Evince

Adam Borowski escribió: [...] Evince is evil and insane. #721783 is one of many regressions. You want atril for a fork of evince from before its upstream went completely bonkers. It's still gnomey but to a far more acceptable degree. I installed okular (and its

Re: [DNG] Artistic decisions - keyboard mappings

Joel Roth escribió: 1) CAPSLOCK key under console and X, should be mapped to Control This mapping is compatible with most server administrators preferences, prevents capslock-related mode problems in vim. If this default leads to angry bug reports, at least they

[DNG] non-matching i386 and amd64 packages

Hi all Right in this moment, libdbus-1-3:i386 is on version 1.10.6-1 in the repo, but libdbus-1-3:amd64 is on version 1.10.8-1+devuan1 On the server, version 1.10.8-1+devuan1 is available for i386, but my aptitude seems unable to detect it. Regards Noel er envite binghj6nTx7aH.bin

Re: [DNG] Debian is dropping support for i586. Are we?

Vince Mulhollon escribió: It'll hit the embedded world pretty hard. Today you can buy a brand new soekris box that only runs i586. Brand new off the shelf, today. My 6 or 7 year old one is running right now Very valid points. However, we need to pick our battles. At

Re: [DNG] OT Re: cloud

Hendrik Boom escribió: On Wed, May 04, 2016 at 11:23:05AM +, hellekin wrote: On 05/03/2016 06:05 PM, Steve Litt wrote: > On Tue, 3 May 2016 10:44:29 + > hellekin wrote: > > >> I want to call it "rabbit" or "Shub-Niggurath" > > I fear the

Re: [DNG] OpenRC and Devuan

Steve Litt escribió: [...] I think the only daemons you really need in an installer are the gettys, sshd, wpa_supplicant and dhcpcd. And you'll probably want the display manager too. Those obviously must be included in packages. The more obscure stuff can exist first

Re: [DNG] OpenRC and Devuan

Steve Litt escribió: On Mon, 2 May 2016 22:15:44 -1000 Joel Roth wrote: The problem with supporting multiple init systems is that there is an init script for each service that has to be ported or rewritten. [...] It's a documentation task. If

Re: [DNG] OpenRC and Devuan

Jim Murphy escribió: [...] UNIX and lookalikes have been able to boot into single user mode with a small root filesystem without the need for /usr, /var or ... There are still admins that have split any number of these directories into their own filesystems for various

Re: [DNG] dist upgrade from alpha4 to beta

Haines Brown escribió: In my alpha 4 sources.list I have: deb http://packages.devuan.org/merged jessie main non-free contrib However, if the beta is jessie, then I should already be at beta level. That is, a simple aptitude update/safe upgrade would be all I need to do,

[DNG] qemu in devuan

Hi all It seems QEMU in Devuan is 2.1+dfsg-12+devuan-1 which has some problems like "vmport is not available". In Debian jessie-backports it is 1:2.5+dfsg-4~bpo8+1 and in stretch it is 1:2.5+dfsg-5+b1 So, since I had backports enabled, I've needed to downgrade my QEMU when deVuanizing

Re: [DNG] grep handles ISO-8859 encoded text file as binary file.

Hughe Chung escribió: Hi, I got to use -a option to search words on C code files. $ grep tesselate dome_math.c Binary file dome_math.c matches Is this only due to encoding, or may be due to a DOS/Unix difference? If I were to bet, I would say that the file

Re: [DNG] For all you automounter programmers

Didier Kryn escribió: This isn't just a theoretical thing, lots of people don't label their thumb drives. Another issue is a lot of thumb drives have the same label. I bet there are millions with the label "backup". But there are tools on Linux to add a label to a

Re: [DNG] For all you automounter programmers

Steve Litt escribió: I don't know of a way to tell pmount or udev/vdev/eudev to assign a particular device to a thumb drive, without manually doing all the mknod and all that. Excellent idea, very useful. But if something's already assigned to that device, you're sol.

Re: [DNG] For all you automounter programmers

Steve Litt escribió: Therefore: pmount, when combined with the inotifywait automounters we've all made, should be perfect. Those pmount automounter commands should run as the user who plugs in the thumb, so rather than running straight from the init, they should

Re: [DNG] For all you automounter programmers

Joel Roth escribió: As a suggestion for an aspiring automounter writer (or reminder to self) I was thinking that if we can get a sufficiently unique identifier from the device (UUID, etc.) it might be nice to map that to a memorable mount target. It could be a noun or

Re: [DNG] What do we want for ascii ?

Simon Walter escribió: [...] It's so refreshing that you all talk freely about this subject. In my social and professional circles it is taboo to even mention the NSA. People look at me like I am a "flatearther" when I simply quote the news. Which wicked kind of

Re: [DNG] Printing -- now even pdf works. I have no idea why.

Jaromil <jaro...@dyne.org> escribió: On Thu, 21 Apr 2016, Noel Torres wrote: Just curious... Why not using CUPS ? I've been using it since times' night with no issues. I use CUPS and i'm intrigued by the thread. I have two printers, one at home and one in the office. After I sw

Re: [DNG] Printing -- now even pdf works. I have no idea why.

Just curious... Why not using CUPS ? I've been using it since times' night with no issues. Regards Noel er Envite bin3kVdqqeSWw.bin Description: Clave PGP pública pgp2Bm7hUEjmj.pgp Description: Firma digital PGP ___ Dng mailing list

Re: [DNG] mpv from devuan.org/merged is broken

David Hare escribió: What is, or will be, official Devuan policy on this? This is one of the points in which my idea of "eggs" would help, as I imagine it. What I do not know is if it is doable. Regards er Envite binPOnzfxwZWR.bin Description: Clave PGP pública

Re: [DNG] Devuan Web A11y

Trond Arild Ydersbond escribió: 19. april 2016 15.45 Jaromil : thanks to Hellekin and Golinux. I agree they have done an outstanding job! the aim is really at consolidating short and sharp documentation. one thing Debian really suffers from:

Re: [DNG] asteroids and release names.

aitor_czr escribió: On 19/04/16 04:15, Gregory Nowak wrote: On Mon, Apr 18, 2016 at 08:36:13PM -0400, Steve Litt wrote: Ascii will be the name of version 1, won't it? That will be jessie as far as I know. Ascii is the codename of the testing branch

Re: [DNG] What do we want for ascii ?

Go Linux escribió: This is putting the cart before the horse IMO. It would be nice to get the beta out the door before focusing on ascii. Any chance some of that energy could be directed towards the beta release? My energy is mostly useless for Jessie beta, as it is

Re: [DNG] What do we want for ascii ?

Steve Litt escribió: I must have missed a step. Ascii is an 7 bit character encoding code where space is decimal 32, and tilde is decimal 126, 10 is Linefeed, 13 is Carriage Return, 48 is 0, 65 is A, and 97 is a. How do all your bullet points relate to such a code?

Re: [DNG] What do we want for ascii ?

Hendrik Boom escribió: On Tue, Apr 19, 2016 at 08:11:16AM +1200, Daniel Reurich wrote: > What do we (the DNG people) want for ascii ? > > * our own bug reporting system yes please Crosslinked where appropriate with similar bugs on other distros, such as Debian, so

[DNG] What do we want for ascii ?

My Excel macros are a bit slow today (Yes, I said Excel, I use that at work) so I started wondering... What do we (the DNG people) want for ascii ? My list starts as this: * full init freedom, that is, all init methods being equally supported (sysv, upstart, systemd) and nothing depending

Re: [DNG] Fw: Beginning of the End for Wheezy [sigh!]

Steve Litt escribió: Hi all, I know many of you are using Devuan in production and as your Daily Driver. Patrick from debian-user expressed some trepidation about moving to Devuan in his impending escape from a systemd-encumbered Debian, and I figure maybe if he

Re: [DNG] apt-get vs. aptitude ?

Nate Bargmann <n...@n0nb.us> escribió: * On 2016 16 Apr 15:15 -0500, Didier Kryn wrote: Le 16/04/2016 19:47, Noel Torres a écrit : > >I regularly use aptitude's CUI (I use to name it as text-mode GUI). Mostly >because it has that wonderful "Mark as automatically installed

Re: [DNG] apt-get vs. aptitude ?

Didier Kryn escribió: You guys all talk of aptitude as a CLI. But it is essentially a CUI (Curses User Interface) supposed to give you diverse views of the status of your packages and of what you are doing. I could never make any sense of this CUI, although I know

Re: [DNG] http://packages.devuan.org/merged/pool/ empty?

Daniel Reurich escribió: [...] Yup. Absolutely normal. You issue is probably just a transient issue resulting from the lag between a debian update and amprolla rebuilding the merged repo. How long should it last? If we intend to develop a solid distribution, the

Re: [DNG] http://packages.devuan.org/merged/pool/ empty?

Daniel Reurich escribió: Hi Noel, Long time... Too long. I'm just reading the list now, but trying to use Devuan on physical+7VM [...] Yup. Absolutely normal. You issue is probably just a transient issue resulting from the lag between a debian update and

[DNG] http://packages.devuan.org/merged/pool/ empty?

I've just tried to update my systen and found this: http://packages.devuan.org/merged ascii/main amd64 libc6 amd64 2.22-4 [ERROR] 404 Not Found so I went to http://packages.devuan.org/ and found that the /merged/pool/ subdirectory is empty Is this normal? Regards Noel er Envite

Re: [DNG] leveldb support proposal

Rainer Weikusat <rainerweiku...@virginmedia.com> escribió: Noel Torres <env...@rolamasao.org> writes: Let's forget what is NOT important "Ivan J." <para...@dyne.org> escribió: [...] What I am proposing is Devuan to support multiple versions of leveldb and tie B

Re: [DNG] leveldb support proposal

Didier Kryn <k...@in2p3.fr> escribió: Le 01/03/2016 11:37, Noel Torres a écrit : It happens a lot that two packages you need request different versions of the same library, not always co-installable. Mostly if you go beyond "stable". Or even if you got stuck on old

Re: [DNG] leveldb support proposal

Let's forget what is NOT important "Ivan J." escribió: [...] What I am proposing is Devuan to support multiple versions of leveldb and tie Bitcoin packages to the right one. Another option is to never [...] This is not only an issue with so-called leveldb. It happens a lot

Re: [DNG] Predictable Network Interface Names - Stupid or good idea?

On Saturday, 9 de January de 2016 11:41:27 Anto escribió: > Hello Everybody, > > I have just rented a KVM VPS. I started with Debian squeeze, pin > everything related to systemd to -1, then upgraded to Debian wheezy. > After I upgraded udev to version 220 using eudev, I could not connect to > my

Re: [DNG] Ian Murdock

On Wednesday, 30 de December de 2015 21:01:17 Franco Lanza escribió: > I think we should release a communicate about Ian > to celebrate him and mourn he's death. > > R.I.P. Ian, you are the father of devuan too. Do it. And some other kind of homage will be fine too. er Envite -- A: Because it

Re: [DNG] Devuan and upstream

James Powell james4...@hotmail.com escribió: [...] Devuan should follow the Debian methodology, but equally it should forge it's own path away from Debian. It doesn't need to draw from any other distribution like Funtoo, CRUX, Slackware, or anything other distributions, other than seeing

Re: [DNG] devuan LTS

KatolaZ kato...@freaknet.org escribió: On Thu, Jul 16, 2015 at 09:57:08PM -0700, James Powell wrote: An LTS branch isn't needed if you do version controlled releases and sponsor support for versioned releases for at least 3-4 versions back. [cut] As releases mature, 1.0 would be

Re: [DNG] Packages aren't the only path to alternate inits

Didier Kryn k...@in2p3.fr escribió: [...] I expect the dependency chain should be something like: daemon depends on: init, daemon-sysv-init | daemon-epoch-init | daemon-systemd-init | daemon-openrc-init | daemon-upstart-init And if each of those daemon-*-init packages depended on their

Re: [Dng] Which package generates /lib/systemd and /etc/systemd files?

Didier Kryn k...@in2p3.fr escribió: [...] I bet every service daemon package would now provide a .service file, just like everyone used to provide an init script. As far as I understand, the .service files are the systemd counterpart of sysvinit scripts. I imagine it is just enough to

Re: [Dng] Which package generates /lib/systemd and /etc/systemd files?

Anto arya...@chello.at escribió: [...] Hello Noel, I think I have a good reason to want to have them removed. I hate them :) You are free to do so. I don't think Devuan should provide the option to use systemd. Why should it? The decision in Debian to default the init system to systemd

Re: [Dng] Which package generates /lib/systemd and /etc/systemd files?

Steve Litt sl...@troubleshooters.com escribió: On Tue, 05 May 2015 16:50:13 +0200 Anto arya...@chello.at wrote: In my view, the decision to use systemd as the default init of Debian forces the locked-in of massive number of packages into systemd. That is the main problem which leads to the

Re: [Dng] Which package generates /lib/systemd and /etc/systemd files?

Anto arya...@chello.at escribió: On 05/05/15 18:52, Noel Torres wrote: As a resume: If you want a systemd-free system, Devuan is your distribution, and will always be. But if you want a system designed to be unable to run systemd, please leave us. This is not the place for such an anti

Re: [Dng] simple backgrounds

On Thursday, 26 de February de 2015 17:54:01 Jaromil escribió: On Thu, 26 Feb 2015, etech3 wrote: +1 hendrik yes, we will not cover up boot with framebuffer stuff for sure. so to say Devuan is sugar-free and doesn't makes your computer fat :^) I want the freedom to take my Devuan with

Re: [Dng] Init Freedom badges

On Saturday, 21 de February de 2015 18:49:35 hellekin escribió: On 02/21/15 13:40, Go Linux wrote: Urm . . . it's about more than just init and that needs to be conveyed in the badge. *** It says if :) https://git.devuan.org/devuan-editors/devuan-art/blob/devuan-alpha/graphic

Re: [Dng] KDE systemd lock-in

On Saturday, 21 de February de 2015 18:52:22 Nate Bargmann escribió: * On 2015 20 Feb 11:56 -0600, Steve Litt wrote: On Fri, 20 Feb 2015 08:59:33 -0800 Go Linux goli...@yahoo.com wrote: We all knew this was coming . . . KDE Will Depend on 'logind' and 'timedated' in 6 Months

[Dng] Devuan Weekly News XIII

# Devuan Weekly News Issue XIII __Volume 002, Week 8, Devuan Week 13__ Released 24/02/12015 [HE](Why-HE) https://git.devuan.org/Envite/devuan-weekly-news/wikis/past-issues/volume-002/issue-013 ## Editorial In the same way that Devuan is the project of a group, with people more dedicated and

Re: [Dng] GDM switched to wayland by default

On Monday, 23 de February de 2015 16:26:03 Steve Litt escribió: On Sun, 22 Feb 2015 11:06:03 -0500 Jude Nelson jud...@gmail.com wrote: Not according to their documentation: * the weston launcher program (weston-launch) needs extra privileges to issue the KMS ioctl()s. It can do so via

Re: [Dng] OT - It may be only one file, but it does point to the bigger problem!

On Sunday, 22 de February de 2015 18:28:06 Jim Murphy escribió: [...] If I have a btrfs mirror and I didn't mess with it by setting FS_NOCOW, shouldn't I be able to recover the file? I would sure hope so. He creates this better way of logging, then he seems to not even care if you can use

Re: [Dng] Dng Digest, Vol 5, Issue 11

On Tuesday, 24 de February de 2015 00:35:59 Gravis escribió: ha! jude it's perfect. if there was ever a Master Control Program, it would be systemd. ;) Partitioning memory, controlling permissions, access to hardware, managing networks, shredding programs from memory... I always thought MCP

Re: [Dng] XFCE et al

On Friday, 20 de February de 2015 17:17:16 Jaromil escribió: [...] please go ahead, we count on everyone here to take initiative and do what one thinks can be useful for the progress of this project, which is not just made of code, obviously. True. There are Devuan Weekly News as well ;) To

[Dng] The Onion Principle

After reading the whole keep as close to debian as possible thread, and in my well-known spirit of resuming threads, I think we can benefit from the Principle of the Onion. At first stage (Devuan Jessie), we'll use a pinned repository with our desinfected packages, to provide our users (that's

Re: [Dng] Please!! revive Bastille hardening tool for Devuan - Conflict of Interest

On Thursday, 12 de February de 2015 18:28:15 Usspookes Lovesystemd escribió: Why? Bastille is/was great. It didn't change, the rug was pulled out from underneath it. Who would have thought routines in TK and ncurses would be Dpreeeciattteedd!!! (gay voice of the SJWers) I'll put it

[Dng] Devuan Weekly News XII

# Devuan Weekly News Issue XII __Volume 002, Week 7, Devuan Week 12__ https://git.devuan.org/Envite/devuan-weekly-news/wikis/past-issues/volume-002/issue-012 ## Editorial __Hit a Wall? Here's a Ladder__ An uneasy wind blew fetid laments of arrogance and ivory towering. These accusations

[Dng] Devuan Weekly News X

# [Devuan Weekly News][current] Issue X __Volume 02, Week 5, Devuan Week 10__ https://git.devuan.org/Envite/devuan-weekly-news/past-issues/volume-02/issue-010 ## Editorial The public surface of the project grows with the addition of new communication channels, mentioned below. This seems to

Re: [Dng] Package Versions

On Thursday, 29 de January de 2015 18:10:10 Hendrik Boom escribió: So the upgrade to devuan should perhaps introduce the pin? And how soes that pinning work? Simply forbidding systemd and some of its relatives? Or a way te detect devuan packages and if they are present to ignore Debian's

[Dng] Devuan Weekly News IX

that 'releases should happen when it's time, not accordingly to a fixed or prescribed schedule.' ### [Upgrade Paths][5] Our editor Noel Torres is concerned about the upgrade path from Debian stable and testing to the upcoming Devuan release, that he nicknamed _Alhambra_ or _Aiken_. Franco Lanza

[Dng] Upgrade paths

Hi all I've been thinking around the upgrade paths we need to provide for Devuan 1 Jessie without systemd (I'd still like ancient site names or computing people names, so for me it is Devuan اَلْحَمْرَاء (put it on sources.list as Devuan Alhambra) or Devuan Aiken). We must support users

[Dng] Devuan Weekly News VIII

# [Devuan Weekly News][1] Issue VIII __Volume 02, Week 3, Devuan Week 8__ https://git.devuan.org/Envite/devuan- weekly-news/wikis/past-issues/volume-02/issue-008 ## Editorial Welcome to Devuan Weekly News issue VIII. After two months has passed from the start of the project (or better, from

Re: [Dng] vdev update and design document

On Friday, 2 de January de 2015 19:43:04 Jude Nelson escribió: Hi Luke, I should point out, the ACL criteria for matching processes do not all have to be specified, specifically for the reason you point out. Using the SHA256 to match the process should be a tool of last resort, useful only

Re: [Dng] Use/misuse of depends

On Tuesday, 13 de January de 2015 20:25:25 hellekin escribió: On 01/13/2015 02:23 PM, Joel Roth wrote: Also, I recall that in a default Debian install, recommended packages are pulled in by default. A setting change makes it possible to only pull in the package dependencies. *** Are you