Re: [DNG] Devuan on a qemu VM guest

Hi Steve, Thanks for the pointers. Steve Litt wrote: > Hi all, > > By the time you take into account host OS distro and hardware, every > setup is unique. For those whose situation is anything like mine, > running Devuan as a Qemu guest VM is difficult. So let me tell you two > must-know

[DNG] Devuan on a qemu VM guest

Hi all, By the time you take into account host OS distro and hardware, every setup is unique. For those whose situation is anything like mine, running Devuan as a Qemu guest VM is difficult. So let me tell you two must-know difficulties I've learned, and the workaround for each: 1. Mouse pointer

[DNG] Devuan on Odroid C2

I just installed Devuan on Odroid C2 with success. Install Maverics Debian Jessie: http://forum.odroid.com/viewtopic.php?t=19403 Then follow this guide: https://talk.devuan.org/t/migrating-from-debian-to-a-minimalist-devuan/181 -- Mit besten Grüßen Joachim Fahrner

Re: [DNG] Devuan on Raspberry Pi

Am 06.02.2017 um 12:11 schrieb Jaromil: > The main reasons why Devuan acts like Debian in this case is that in > Jessie we only operate to remove systemd, nothing else changes, while > we still rely heavily on Debian for the bulk of binary builds. > Ok, I see it's Debians fault for the improper

Re: [DNG] Devuan on Raspberry Pi

dear Jochen, tl;dr - just like Debian does, we do recommend using Raspian on rpi1 boards version 1 to take full advantage of their rather strange architecture. > On Mon, Feb 06, 2017 at 11:18:41AM +0100, Jochen Fahrner wrote: > > [cut] > > > > > The only option I have: install from scratch

Re: [DNG] Devuan on Raspberry Pi

On Mon, Feb 06, 2017 at 11:18:41AM +0100, Jochen Fahrner wrote: [cut] > > The only option I have: install from scratch with Devuans "armel" Image. > But this is not really an option, I will loose hardfloat, making my PI > even more slower than it already is. So I stay with Raspbian Jessie. >

Re: [DNG] Devuan on Raspberry Pi

On Mon, Feb 06, 2017 at 11:18:41AM +0100, Jochen Fahrner wrote: > Am 06.02.2017 um 09:22 schrieb KatolaZ: > > Like, for the same reason why you use packages compiled for amd64 with > > your shiny Intel i5, despite you could have used packages compiled for > > an i486 back in 1994? :) > > > >

Re: [DNG] Devuan on Raspberry Pi

Am 06.02.2017 um 09:22 schrieb KatolaZ: > Like, for the same reason why you use packages compiled for amd64 with > your shiny Intel i5, despite you could have used packages compiled for > an i486 back in 1994? :) > That's exactly the point. Nobody comes up with the idea to compile packages for

Re: [DNG] Devuan on Raspberry Pi

On Mon, Feb 06, 2017 at 06:32:54AM +0100, J. Fahrner wrote: > Am 05.02.2017 um 22:34 schrieb KatolaZ: > > Because that image is an armv6 + hard float, so it works > > everywhere. > > > > > > So why are the Devuan Images not compiled the same way? > Like, for the same reason why you use

Re: [DNG] Devuan on Raspberry Pi

Am 05.02.2017 um 22:34 schrieb KatolaZ: > Because that image is an armv6 + hard float, so it works > everywhere. > > So why are the Devuan Images not compiled the same way? ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org

Re: [DNG] Devuan on Raspberry Pi

On Sun, Feb 05, 2017 at 10:02:21PM +0100, J. Fahrner wrote: [cut] > > But thats without hardfloat. What I need is ARMv6 with hardfloat. I'm > wondering why Raspbian has only one Image that works with all. How do > they do that? > https://www.raspberrypi.org/downloads/ > Because that image is

Re: [DNG] Devuan on Raspberry Pi

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On Sun, 5 Feb 2017 22:02:21 +0100 "J. Fahrner" wrote: > But thats without hardfloat. What I need is ARMv6 with hardfloat. I'm > wondering why Raspbian has only one Image that works with all. How do > they do that? >

Re: [DNG] Devuan on Raspberry Pi

Am 05.02.2017 um 18:58 schrieb Florian Zieboll: > > "Raspbian armhf" is a special build for rpi1: ARMv6 with hardfloat > support. This is the actual reason for Raspian's existence, as the > common "armhf" builds are compiled for ARMv7. ok, that explains the segmentation faults on my PI1 model B.

Re: [DNG] Devuan on Raspberry Pi

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On Sun, 5 Feb 2017 18:36:29 +0100 "J. Fahrner" wrote: > Strange. Mine is a PI 1 Model B. (armhf architecture). Maybe the > current packages are not compatible with that? But original Raspbian > Jessie (armhf) works fine. Only

Re: [DNG] Devuan on Raspberry Pi

On Sun, Feb 05, 2017 at 05:51:54PM +0100, J. Fahrner wrote: > Hello, > > has someone had success in installing Devuan on Raspberry Pi? > > My first attempt was to upgrade from Raspbian Wheezy following this guide: > >

Re: [DNG] Devuan on Raspberry Pi

On Sun, Feb 05, 2017 at 06:36:29PM +0100, J. Fahrner wrote: > > > Am 05.02.2017 um 18:23 schrieb Florian Zieboll: > > > > > > Both ways it worked like a charm. > > > > Strange. Mine is a PI 1 Model B. (armhf architecture). Maybe the current > packages are not compatible with that? But original

Re: [DNG] Devuan on Raspberry Pi

Am 05.02.2017 um 18:23 schrieb Florian Zieboll: > > > Both ways it worked like a charm. > Strange. Mine is a PI 1 Model B. (armhf architecture). Maybe the current packages are not compatible with that? But original Raspbian Jessie (armhf) works fine. Only Devuan has segmentation faults. --

Re: [DNG] Devuan on Raspberry Pi

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On Sun, 5 Feb 2017 17:51:54 +0100 "J. Fahrner" wrote: > has someone had success in installing Devuan on Raspberry Pi? I have Devuan armhf running on a rpi2, installed from the first Beta image - here the link to my li'l HOWTO

Re: [DNG] Devuan on Raspberry Pi

On 02/05/2017 11:51 AM, J. Fahrner wrote: [snip] has someone had success in installing Devuan on Raspberry Pi? Havn't gotten around to Pi yet, But did have a Acer laptop with no cd/dvd. I installed from a external usb cd/dvd, and I copyies the beta2 iso to usb and installed that way.

[DNG] Devuan on Raspberry Pi

Hello, has someone had success in installing Devuan on Raspberry Pi? My first attempt was to upgrade from Raspbian Wheezy following this guide: https://git.devuan.org/dev1fanboy/Upgrade-Install-Devuan/wikis/Upgrade-to-Devuan Did not work, segmentation fault in some package installation script.

Re: [DNG] Devuan and oss(4)

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 Am Fr den 3. Feb 2017 um 23:32 schrieb KatolaZ: > > Am Fr den 3. Feb 2017 um 11:12 schrieb KatolaZ: > > > Meaning: help supporting what you would like to see working in Devuan, > > > whatever it is. If you have working OSS packages, it would be

Re: [DNG] Devuan and oss(4)

On Fri, Feb 03, 2017 at 09:57:03PM +0100, Klaus Ethgen wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA512 > > Am Fr den 3. Feb 2017 um 11:12 schrieb KatolaZ: > > Meaning: help supporting what you would like to see working in Devuan, > > whatever it is. If you have working OSS packages,

Re: [DNG] Devuan and oss(4)

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 Am Fr den 3. Feb 2017 um 11:12 schrieb KatolaZ: > Meaning: help supporting what you would like to see working in Devuan, > whatever it is. If you have working OSS packages, it would be good to > upload them on the Devuan gitlab, and then help

Re: [DNG] Devuan and oss(4)

On Fri, Feb 03, 2017 at 10:12:41AM +, KatolaZ wrote: [cut] > > I want to see angband-4 in Debian. I will be packaging it shortly, and I actually meant Devuan, but the .deb will be installable on any Debian-based system, indeed :) HND KatolaZ -- [ ~.,_ Enzo Nicosia aka KatolaZ -

Re: [DNG] Devuan and oss(4)

On Fri, Feb 03, 2017 at 10:45:26AM +0100, Klaus Ethgen wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA512 > > Hi Folks, > > Am Fr den 3. Feb 2017 um 8:51 schrieb KatolaZ: > > > Compared to that, OSS always work with high quality sound. > > > > > > I wonder if Devuan will stay with

Re: [DNG] Devuan and oss(4)

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 Hi Folks, Am Fr den 3. Feb 2017 um 8:51 schrieb KatolaZ: > > Compared to that, OSS always work with high quality sound. > > > > I wonder if Devuan will stay with free software like debian was long > > time ago and let the user choose what to use

Re: [DNG] Devuan and oss(4)

Klaus Ethgen writes: I wonder if Devuan will stay with free software like debian was long time ago and let the user choose what to use or if it follows debian in only supporting one (non-working) sound system. There are two questions here. Open source support is limited by a) volunteer

Re: [DNG] Devuan and oss(4)

On Fri, Feb 03, 2017 at 08:28:10AM +0100, Klaus Ethgen wrote: [cut] > > Compared to that, OSS always work with high quality sound. > > I wonder if Devuan will stay with free software like debian was long > time ago and let the user choose what to use or if it follows debian in > only

[DNG] Devuan and oss(4)

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 Hello folks, debian stopped working oss under most current wine. That brings me to the question which way Devuan is going respective fredom to choose sound system. Backround is, that alsa never worked for me. The best I was able to get out was

Re: [DNG] Devuan GNU+Linux Beta2 release

On 12/04/2016 10:26 PM, Robert Storey wrote: > I wrote: > >> Refracta saved the day! Thank goodness it exists, or else I would >> not be able to install Devuan on any of my machines. Please note >> that with Refracta, I did not need to set up networking at all >> during the installation, but Wicd

Re: [DNG] Devuan GNU+Linux Beta2 release

I wrote: > Refracta saved the day! Thank goodness it exists, or else I would > not be able to install Devuan on any of my machines. Please note > that with Refracta, I did not need to set up networking at all > during the installation, but Wicd was there on the first boot and > getting wifi

Re: [DNG] Devuan GNU+Linux Beta2 release

Yes, it's cute but sad to see all those defensive systemd-ers making their usual nonsense fuss. Ralph. Florian Zieboll wrote on 05/12/16 05:31: For those who haven't noticed yet: The Beta2 has hit slashdot (via theregister.co.uk), low level pillow fight included.

[DNG] Devuan Distrowatch - Development Release: Devuan GNU+Linux 1.0.0 Beta 2

https://distrowatch.com/ https://distrowatch.com/?newsid=09654 ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng

Re: [DNG] Devuan GNU+Linux Beta2 release

For those who haven't noticed yet: The Beta2 has hit slashdot (via theregister.co.uk), low level pillow fight included. https://linux.slashdot.org/story/16/12/04/0142242/devuans-systemd-free-linux-hits-beta-2 Libre Grüße, Florian ___ Dng mailing list

[DNG] Devuan 1.0 Jessie beta 2: That’s Debian Jessie minus systemd

Hi I thought I'd post this in case anyone missed it! http://linuxbsdos.com/2016/12/01/devuan-1-0-jessie-beta-2-thats-debian-jessie-minus-systemd/ Ozi! :) ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org

Re: [DNG] Devuan GNU+Linux Beta2 release

On 11/30/2016 05:24 PM, Gregory Nowak wrote: > On Wed, Nov 30, 2016 at 08:53:41AM -0500, Dan Purgert wrote: >> Just to make sure I've not made a mess of things (been a while since >> I've done the debian-style inplace update), someone mind >> double-checking the result of my dist-upgrade /

Re: [DNG] Devuan GNU+Linux Beta2 release

On Wed, Nov 30, 2016 at 08:53:41AM -0500, Dan Purgert wrote: > Just to make sure I've not made a mess of things (been a while since > I've done the debian-style inplace update), someone mind > double-checking the result of my dist-upgrade / sources.list? Looks good to me. Greg -- web site:

Re: [DNG] Devuan GNU+Linux Beta2 release

I trust this is not recommanded to upgrade from a Debian Testing system using “Ascii” in the source list Have a nice day Philippe Le mer. 30 nov. 2016 à 14:53, Dan Purgert a écrit : Quoting Emiliano Marini : Sorry:

Re: [DNG] Devuan GNU+Linux Beta2 release

Quoting Emiliano Marini : Sorry: https://git.devuan.org/dev1fanboy/Upgrade-Install-Devuan/wikis/home Brilliant! Thanks! Must've missed it in my perusal of the info. Looks like there were only about 45 things that needed updated here. Just to make sure I've

Re: [DNG] Devuan GNU+Linux Beta2 release

Quoting Clarke Sideroad : Thank you and the whole community for this. I feel this distribution is crucial to the future of freedom of choice in Linux. Agreed, I couldn't have said it better myself. There are of course other sans-systemd distros, but IMHO this one

Re: [DNG] Devuan GNU+Linux Beta2 release

Of course: https://git.devuan.org/dev1fanboy/Upgrade-Install-Devuan/wikis/homeç ;) On Wed, Nov 30, 2016 at 10:35 AM, Dan Purgert wrote: > Quoting Clarke Sideroad : > > Thank you and the whole community for this. >> I feel this distribution is crucial

Re: [DNG] Devuan GNU+Linux Beta2 release

Sorry: https://git.devuan.org/dev1fanboy/Upgrade-Install-Devuan/wikis/home On Wed, Nov 30, 2016 at 10:40 AM, Emiliano Marini < emilianomarin...@gmail.com> wrote: > Of course: > > https://git.devuan.org/dev1fanboy/Upgrade-Install-Devuan/wikis/homeç > > ;) > > On Wed, Nov 30, 2016 at 10:35 AM,

Re: [DNG] Devuan GNU+Linux Beta2 release

Thank you and the whole community for this. I feel this distribution is crucial to the future of freedom of choice in Linux. There are of course other sans-systemd distros, but IMHO this one has the potential to have the greatest, most widespread impact in the battle to maintain Linux freedom.

Re: [DNG] Devuan docker base image

Ok thanks Jaromil. I can make my own. Ozi On Wed, Nov 30, 2016 at 8:57 AM, Jaromil wrote: > On Tue, 29 Nov 2016, goli...@dyne.org wrote: > > > On 2016-11-29 15:00, Ozi Traveller wrote: > > >Do we have an official Devuan docker base image? > > > > I would say unlikely since

[DNG] Devuan GNU+Linux Beta2 release

Dear Init Freedom Lovers, Once again the Veteran Unix Admins salute you! After some important fixes and updates, we continue down our path of providing Debian without systemd by announcing the release of Devuan Jessie Beta2. This interim Beta2 release is another milestone as Devuan continues

Re: [DNG] Devuan docker base image

On Tue, 29 Nov 2016, goli...@dyne.org wrote: > On 2016-11-29 15:00, Ozi Traveller wrote: > >Do we have an official Devuan docker base image? > > I would say unlikely since jaromil posted this on #devuan earlier today: > > don't use docker? > agree, trash docker, use LXC directly this is just

Re: [DNG] Devuan docker base image

On 2016-11-29 15:00, Ozi Traveller wrote: Hi Do we have an official Devuan docker base image? Ozi ___ I would say unlikely since jaromil posted this on #devuan earlier today: don't use docker? agree, trash docker, use LXC directly golinux

[DNG] Devuan docker base image

Hi Do we have an official Devuan docker base image? Ozi ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng

Re: [DNG] devuan on RPi2

Adding a note on the beta2 image: # apt get install xorg terminator xdm fvwm .. this crashes the RPi. After fixing the filesystem and running "dpkg --configure -a" I found that systemd was running. Why the hell ?!? Upgrading from raspbian wheezy to devuan jessie + angband.pl and installing

Re: [DNG] devuan on RPi2

dear Nikolaus, On Mon, 28 Nov 2016, Dr. Nikolaus Klepp wrote: > Hi all! This weekend I tried to get devuan working on RPi 2. I used > this image: > https://files.devuan.org/devuan_jessie_beta/devuan_jessie_1.0.0-beta_armhf_raspi2.img.xz whenever you have time, can you please test this new

[DNG] devuan on RPi2

Hi all! This weekend I tried to get devuan working on RPi 2. I used this image: https://files.devuan.org/devuan_jessie_beta/devuan_jessie_1.0.0-beta_armhf_raspi2.img.xz The RPi boots fine, but it crashes reliably while installing xorg + terminator. "crashing" means, the kernel thinks the

Re: [DNG] devuan-discuss is not useful, quite the opposite

On 2016-11-23 05:06, hellekin wrote: I feel like every time I'm trying to touch something, nobody cares, or resist for some obscure reason. In these conditions, I'm very much doubting my own capacity to bring anything worth to this community. I'd like that it's made clear, so I can better

Re: [DNG] devuan-discuss is not useful, quite the opposite

On Wed, Nov 23, 2016 at 12:06:34PM +0100, hellekin wrote: > > Come on, it's a linear discussion, much like email. Moreover nobody > gave it a chance to work all the way from conversation to discussion to > wiki to static page with comments looping back to conversation. > Resistance has spoken.

Re: [DNG] devuan-discuss is not useful, quite the opposite

On 23/11/2016 at 12:06, hellekin wrote: [...] > I feel like every time I'm trying to touch something, nobody cares, or > resist for some obscure reason. In these conditions, I'm very much > doubting my own capacity to bring anything worth to this community. I'd > like that it's made clear, so

Re: [DNG] devuan-discuss is not useful, quite the opposite

On Wed, 23 Nov 2016 12:06:34 +0100 hellekin wrote: > On 11/09/2016 11:05 PM, Steve Litt wrote: > > > > The final documentation should be done on something more permanent, > > based on the back-and forth in email. The talk.devuan.org would be a > > great place to put the

Re: [DNG] devuan-discuss is not useful, quite the opposite

On 161123-13:15+0100, hellekin wrote: > On 11/23/2016 01:12 PM, Simon Hobson wrote: > > hellekin wrote: > > > >> ... nobody cares > > > > As someone who is not really in a position to contribute much at all, let > > me say that I'm grateful to all who are working towards

Re: [DNG] devuan-discuss is not useful, quite the opposite

On 11/23/2016 01:12 PM, Simon Hobson wrote: > hellekin wrote: > >> ... nobody cares > > As someone who is not really in a position to contribute much at all, let me > say that I'm grateful to all who are working towards making Devuan "happen" - > regardless of the size of

Re: [DNG] devuan-discuss is not useful, quite the opposite

hellekin wrote: > ... nobody cares As someone who is not really in a position to contribute much at all, let me say that I'm grateful to all who are working towards making Devuan "happen" - regardless of the size of their contribution. I watch (or at least, skim) most of

Re: [DNG] devuan-discuss is not useful, quite the opposite

On 11/09/2016 11:05 PM, Steve Litt wrote: > > The final documentation should be done on something more permanent, > based on the back-and forth in email. The talk.devuan.org would be a > great place to put the finished docs. My problem with talk.devuan.org > is when I used it for brainstorming. I

[DNG] Devuan stickers now on sale!

Our friends at UnixStickers put out Devuan stickers \o/ 10% of the sales go to the Devuan project, so it's a great way to show your support. Single copies are $2.69, down to $1.79 per 10 or more. They come in two colors: Black on white for clear surfaces:

[DNG] Devuan KVM guest install using ISO, virt-install and text based installation

The email tp which I reply is itself a reply to this email of mine: https://lists.dyne.org/lurker/message/20161110.172443.c36c6124.en.html so I'll fake the In-Reply-To header to get it to appear in this thread:

Re: [DNG] Devuan KVM guest install using ISO, virt-install and text based installation

Hi Andrew! Thanks for replying. However, my attempts got bogged down at: virt-install playing poorly with grsecurity-hardened https://forums.grsecurity.net/viewtopic.php?f=3=4609 (maybe some of grsecurity users among you Devuan can tell why such poor play of virt=install with a (heavily)

Re: [DNG] Devuan KVM guest install using ISO, virt-install and text based installation

Hi, On 10/11/16 01:55, Miroslav Rovis wrote: > On 161109-14:31+0100, Miroslav Rovis wrote: >> Hi! >> >> I'll be looking into this tutorial, if... (see below) : ;-) >> On 161107-02:08+1100, Andrew McGlashan wrote: > ... >> If this: >>> Once the install was done, I dumped the xml, edited it,

Re: [DNG] Devuan KVM guest install using ISO, virt-install and text based installation

Okay, doing a reply all to make sure that Miroslav gets this okay On 10/11/16 00:31, Miroslav Rovis wrote: > ... > I said would [be looking into this tutorial, if...]. > If this: >> Once the install was done, I dumped the xml, edited it, undefined the >> guest and then re-created it from the

Re: [DNG] devuan-discuss is not useful, quite the opposite

On Wed, 09 Nov 2016 11:55:35 -0600 goli...@dyne.org wrote: > On 2016-11-08 13:55, Jaromil wrote: > > > > I also very much appreciate the talk.devuan.org documentation > > platform and it is true that's better communicated as such, rather > > than a forum > > Agreed. This is a much better

Re: [DNG] devuan-discuss is not useful, quite the opposite

On 2016-11-08 13:55, Jaromil wrote: I also very much appreciate the talk.devuan.org documentation platform and it is true that's better communicated as such, rather than a forum Agreed. This is a much better description of it's purpose. . . . if someone feels like volunteering time and

Re: [DNG] Devuan KVM guest install using ISO, virt-install and text based installation

On 161109-14:31+0100, Miroslav Rovis wrote: > Hi! > > I'll be looking into this tutorial, if... (see below) : > > On 161107-02:08+1100, Andrew McGlashan wrote: ... > If this: > > Once the install was done, I dumped the xml, edited it, undefined the > > guest and then re-created it from the

Re: [DNG] Devuan KVM guest install using ISO, virt-install and text based installation

Hi! I'll be looking into this tutorial, if... (see below) : On 161107-02:08+1100, Andrew McGlashan wrote: ... > Devuan guest install for web server on Devuan KVM Box. ... > https://files.devuan.org/devuan_jessie_beta/devuan_jessie_1.0.0-beta_amd64_CD.iso > > Mounted it at /cdrom (just a

Re: [DNG] devuan-discuss is not useful, quite the opposite

On Tue, Nov 08, 2016 at 03:05:38PM -0500, Rob Owens wrote: > A solution might be to: > > 1) rename this list if deemed necessary And inform gmane of thte change. > 2) route all devuan-discuss emails to dng -- hendrik ___ Dng mailing list

Re: [DNG] devuan-discuss is not useful, quite the opposite

Am 09.11.2016 um 00:44 schrieb Gregory Nowak: > If you wouldn't have just mentioned "the "Debian is Not GNOME" > antagonist pattern," I would have continued in thinking that dng > stands for "debian next generation", as with lprng, which I rather > like actually. Never thought about the meaning

Re: [DNG] devuan-discuss is not useful, quite the opposite

Le 08/11/2016 21:05, hellekin a écrit : On 11/06/2016 02:59 PM, Giovanni Rapagnani wrote: Based on these observations, I think the information on [2] should be updated to tell DNG is the primary ML. devuan-discuss would better be closed and all the subscribers informed that DNG is the primary

Re: [DNG] devuan-discuss is not useful, quite the opposite

On Tue, Nov 08, 2016 at 01:05:27PM +0100, hellekin wrote: > The devuan-discuss mailing list was created to harmonize the lists: > devuan-announce, devuan-discuss, and devuan-dev, and to move away from > the "Debian is Not GNOME" antagonist pattern. If you wouldn't have just mentioned "the "Debian

Re: [DNG] Devuan-based Distros

Hi hk, On 11/08/2016 08:17 PM, hellekin wrote: The page athttps://devuan.org/os/partners/devuan-distros is a bit outdated and quite messy. I'd like to make a complete list of Devuan-Based distros, including a presentation, link to the site, distrowatch entry if any, etc.

Re: [DNG] devuan-discuss is not useful, quite the opposite

A solution might be to: 1) rename this list if deemed necessary 2) route all devuan-discuss emails to dng This will combine the two lists without requiring users to make any changes. If the name change is deemed necessary, the new name can be promoted on the website, but the old email

Re: [DNG] devuan-discuss is not useful, quite the opposite

One thing I learned from Permaculture design principles, which somehow deal very much with community and on many levels: never touch unless you have a reason to. A single "I don't like" is too subjective and won't ever become an executive reason nor decision. you can blow *me* away if I'll ever

Re: [DNG] devuan-discuss is not useful, quite the opposite

On 2016-11-08 06:05, hellekin wrote: On 11/06/2016 02:59 PM, Giovanni Rapagnani wrote: Based on these observations, I think the information on [2] should be updated to tell DNG is the primary ML. devuan-discuss would better be closed and all the subscribers informed that DNG is the primary ML

[DNG] Devuan Editors (was Re: apt-get update fails [FIXED])

On 11/06/2016 08:59 PM, Florian Zieboll wrote: > > BTW, I think two or three lines a month about the apparently heavy work > under the hood would help to reduce the perception of discrepancy > between the often-quoted "rock solid beta" statement and "accidents" > like this^^ > Yup. We have a

[DNG] Devuan-based Distros

The page at https://devuan.org/os/partners/devuan-distros is a bit outdated and quite messy. I'd like to make a complete list of Devuan-Based distros, including a presentation, link to the site, distrowatch entry if any, etc. Besides, a lot of people seem to choose SourceForge to host their

Re: [DNG] devuan-discuss is not useful, quite the opposite

On 08/11/16 23:05, hellekin wrote: > On 11/06/2016 02:59 PM, Giovanni Rapagnani wrote: > P.S.: in the meantime I edited the web site to remove mention of > devuan-discuss to avoid confusion. But I'd rather do the opposite, and > freeze DNG. I agree with with you. DNG sounded to me like a

Re: [DNG] devuan-discuss is not useful, quite the opposite

On 11/06/2016 02:59 PM, Giovanni Rapagnani wrote: > > Based on these observations, I think the information on [2] should be > updated to tell DNG is the primary ML. devuan-discuss would better be > closed and all the subscribers informed that DNG is the primary ML for > getting help and discuss

Re: [DNG] devuan-discuss is not useful, quite the opposite

On Tue, 8 Nov 2016 at 09:31:31 +0100 Giovanni Rapagnani wrote: [...] > devuan-discuss mailing list was created early May with the hope that was created *in* early May We might add "early May 2016", to let it stay relevant after May 2017. > systemd-free living, Devuan

Re: [DNG] devuan-discuss is not useful, quite the opposite

link [1] is wrong, right one: [1] https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng On 08/11/16 09:31, Giovanni Rapagnani wrote: On 08/11/16 07:32, Giovanni Rapagnani wrote: I will update the webpage accordingly, indicating the talk.devuan.org webforum and the DNG mailinglist as the

Re: [DNG] devuan-discuss is not useful, quite the opposite

On 08/11/16 07:32, Giovanni Rapagnani wrote: I will update the webpage accordingly, indicating the talk.devuan.org webforum and the DNG mailinglist as the main places for discussion, but also the git.devuan.org issues as the place where to report bugs. Once updated, it would probably be a

Re: [DNG] devuan-discuss is not useful, quite the opposite

Am 07.11.2016 um 16:01 schrieb Hendrik Boom: > On Mon, Nov 07, 2016 at 03:33:26PM -0500, Dan Purgert wrote: >> >> Forums are fine and all, but since this list and IRC are decently >> active, it may be a poor move to try pushing forums as well (given that >> the "discuss" forum is pretty much dead

Re: [DNG] devuan-discuss is not useful, quite the opposite

Dear Jaromil, On 07/11/16 10:50, Jaromil wrote: you are right, devuan-discuss never took off. it also did not receive much love from any admin and I believe is stuck with some moderation bit noone has attended. It is a failed plan which I suggest we interpret as part of the "Beta" as much as

Re: [DNG] devuan-discuss is not useful, quite the opposite

On 11/07/2016 11:29 AM, Miroslav Rovis wrote: > On 161107-10:38+0100, Edward Bartolo wrote: >> This is one important reason why Devuan should have invested effort >> into setting up a forum that uses an interface many would use readily. >> I suggested phpBB like forums.debian.net. The reason

Re: [DNG] devuan-discuss is not useful, quite the opposite

On Mon, 7 Nov 2016 at 09:21:29 +0100 Giovanni Rapagnani wrote: [...] > The information > given on the community page of the website should reflect that fact, and > not erroneously tell people to subscribe to a ML where there is almost > no activity. Sounds to me the

Re: [DNG] devuan-discuss is not useful, quite the opposite

On 161107-10:38+0100, Edward Bartolo wrote: > This is one important reason why Devuan should have invested effort > into setting up a forum that uses an interface many would use readily. > I suggested phpBB like forums.debian.net. The reason given for not > choosing phpBB, as I understood it, was

Re: [DNG] devuan-discuss is not useful, quite the opposite

On Mon, 7 Nov 2016 10:50:43 +0100 Jaromil wrote: > dear Giovanni, > > On Mon, 07 Nov 2016, Giovanni Rapagnani wrote: > > - on DNG ML: 145 different email addresses from 22 different time > > zones have posted 3800 emails with an average of 633 emails/month > > [...] > > >

Re: [DNG] devuan-discuss is not useful, quite the opposite

On Mon, 7 Nov 2016 10:38:08 +0100 Edward Bartolo wrote: > This is one important reason why Devuan should have invested effort > into setting up a forum that uses an interface many would use readily. > I suggested phpBB like forums.debian.net. The reason given for not > choosing

Re: [DNG] devuan-discuss is not useful, quite the opposite

dear Giovanni, On Mon, 07 Nov 2016, Giovanni Rapagnani wrote: > - on DNG ML: 145 different email addresses from 22 different time zones have > posted 3800 emails with an average of 633 emails/month [...] > - on devuan-discuss: 21 different email addresses from 11 different time > zones have

Re: [DNG] devuan-discuss is not useful, quite the opposite

This is one important reason why Devuan should have invested effort into setting up a forum that uses an interface many would use readily. I suggested phpBB like forums.debian.net. The reason given for not choosing phpBB, as I understood it, was phpBB is too demanding on servers. I remember when

Re: [DNG] devuan-discuss is not useful, quite the opposite

On 06/11/16 17:40, Arnt Karlsen wrote: ..that's what we call Stupid Luck. The next step is "when" 170 million voters write in Bernie Sanders for POTUŜ and Jill Stein for VP on Tuesday... I may or may not agree with the former statement, but I think the latter falls more in the category of

Re: [DNG] devuan-discuss is not useful, quite the opposite

On Mon, 7 Nov 2016 09:21:29 +0100 Giovanni Rapagnani wrote: > On 06/11/16 17:40, Arnt Karlsen wrote: > > On Sun, 6 Nov 2016 17:14:39 +0100, Giovanni wrote in message > > <5be642ae-c983-3ee3-db68-be1e7657a...@ideanet.be>: > > > >> On 06/11/16 15:20, KatolaZ wrote: > >>> On Sun,

Re: [DNG] devuan-discuss is not useful, quite the opposite

On 06/11/16 17:40, Arnt Karlsen wrote: On Sun, 6 Nov 2016 17:14:39 +0100, Giovanni wrote in message <5be642ae-c983-3ee3-db68-be1e7657a...@ideanet.be>: On 06/11/16 15:20, KatolaZ wrote: On Sun, Nov 06, 2016 at 02:59:13PM +0100, Giovanni Rapagnani wrote: Based on the MLs description on [2],

Re: [DNG] devuan-discuss is not useful, quite the opposite

On Sun, 6 Nov 2016 17:14:39 +0100, Giovanni wrote in message <5be642ae-c983-3ee3-db68-be1e7657a...@ideanet.be>: > On 06/11/16 15:20, KatolaZ wrote: > > On Sun, Nov 06, 2016 at 02:59:13PM +0100, Giovanni Rapagnani wrote: > >> Based on the MLs description on [2], devuan-discuss is the primary > >>

Re: [DNG] devuan-discuss is not useful, quite the opposite

On 06/11/16 15:20, KatolaZ wrote: On Sun, Nov 06, 2016 at 02:59:13PM +0100, Giovanni Rapagnani wrote: Based on the MLs description on [2], devuan-discuss is the primary ML for requesting help and discuss about Devuan. That is wrong! The fact is that DNG is the primary ML for such things.

[DNG] Devuan KVM guest install using ISO, virt-install and text based installation

Hi All, Purpose: Devuan guest install for web server on Devuan KVM Box. Used this ISO: https://files.devuan.org/devuan_jessie_beta/devuan_jessie_1.0.0-beta_amd64_CD.iso Mounted it at /cdrom (just a directory mount, simple enough). Created LV for guest. Adjusting the ISO to allow text

Re: [DNG] devuan-discuss is not useful, quite the opposite

On Sun, Nov 06, 2016 at 02:59:13PM +0100, Giovanni Rapagnani wrote: > Hello everyone, > [cut] > > Based on the MLs description on [2], devuan-discuss is the primary ML for > requesting help and discuss about Devuan. That is wrong! The fact is that > DNG is the primary ML for such things. > >

[DNG] devuan-discuss is not useful, quite the opposite

Hello everyone, Some months ago, I noticed there has never been much activity on devuan-discuss ML: - all the active and knowledgeable people of DNG ML are not posting on devuan-discuss ML - several questions asked on devuan-discuss remains without answer But lastly it got worse: - a quite

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